Las Conchas Review by Joe Friday

[playaperro]

Las Conchas Review
Members of Las Conchas...
A Few Very Important things you need to know!




Well what do you know; finally some members have asked what has happened to our money on the De Sal Project, and who is accountable for it’s loss… It’s about time!!!!!!



To Explain How and Why we have had chaos and mismanagement through the years, we have to go back in time.



Chuck Clark’s Term the Board of Directors passed a SIUE Plan that cost the association $65,000.00 and obligated Las Conchas to complete and pay for all improvements, etc. and received little in return.



a. That Board did away with Single Family Home Sites.



b. 90% of the Parkland on the maps of Las Conchas disappeared and was put into private ownership.



c. Signed a Union Agreement with the employees, which is responsible for our current labor expenses and difficulties.



d. Did away with all prior business and control procedures, financials, guards, management, meetings, etc.



Gary Spray’s Term – De Sal Project – The Board of Directors and the Executive Board of 2005 – (Consisting of Gary Spray, Scott Spackeen, Patti Springer, Charlie Salem, and Tony Rimsza) on numerous occasions told the membership everything was fine with the project, we were right on budget, and that we had title to the property. They told our membership that they could and would construct and operate a De Sal Plant for less than $2,000,000.00.



1. Told the membership we had title to the land, which we did not.



2. Paid up to 100% more for De Sal Trains than we could have bought from other vendors.



3. They purchased a steel building, tractors, water meters clips, and various items exceeded the standard prices by as much as 300% more from a private entity than we could have purchased elsewhere on the common market.



4. Told the membership we had received an audit of our books and all was well. Not True. We received a financial analysis which clearly stated it was not an audit and our bookkeeping was a mess.



The Accountant reported that it was impossible to reconcile our books and the $600,000.00 in cash expenditures because of the lack of receipts or detailed back up., etc.



5. Took the assets of Las Conchas home Owners Association, water tank, water lines, pumps, and etc. and turned it into a Water Company without the Vote of the membership and started charging our members a monthly fee without all of the approvals.


How could this happen?…..



Norm Nelson’s Term - During his term the Board tried to keep the De Sal project going, but inherited all the problems with the project, including the fact that we did not own the land, we were going to be way over budget, and impossible to finish.



Jean Steward’s term as President of the Las Conchas Homeowners Assoc… Jean has been fighting a losing battle and trying her best to deal with the cards she has been dealt, such as the desal fiasco, financial cover-ups, an extreme union mess, and dealing with the Executive Committee and Board members that appear not to support our By-Laws or our CCR’s.



Board members who do not support our Rules and CCR’s, and Bylaws should either work to revise them in the appropriate legal manner or RESIGN! Whatever the intent is, subversive comments and directives asking the homeowners not to pay their dues and not to believe our By-laws and CCR’s are legal and are unenforceable are contrary to the benefit if the community. Those By-Laws and CCR’s are the Bible of our Association; written by sincere homeowner volunteers and approved by the vote of the entire membership, per the by-laws.



For years, a small handful of members and I have outlined and reported financial discrepancies and expenditures, including inadequate financial reports as well as insufficient business policies at our board meetings, along with recommendations for correcting the processes. We sorted out information and sent it to the membership. We received very little support from our membership. You have all been aware of the problem and apparently most wanted to ignore the facts.



Let’s face it, the membership serving on our board for years has not wanted to make their neighbors or friends mad, they didn’t want to get involved.



That’s why we are in the mess we are today!



The fact is we have about $3,000,000.00 investment in the De Sal with little chance of receiving 10 cents on the dollar.




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Update…… Monday, Nov. 17, 2008




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Have some members of our Executive Committee lost all sense of responsibility in their current actions of last week?



Mr. Dave Steward, who has done an outstanding job the last ten years for our association has been terminated by Mr. Wenzlau. This man has devoted his time and efforts to maintain our equipment above and beyond anyone I have ever been associated with at little or no cost to the Association.



Being an owner of a business that operates and maintains 50 million dollars of equipment, I know this is not where you start to cut costs. It can cost the association thousands of dollars. When I was elected President of the association in 1999, I inherited a scrap pile of equipment. Such as:



1 -truck running
2 -pick-ups in disrepair
4 -ATV’s in disrepair in boxes
A broken down water truck – trash truck
A scrap heap of a grader.

I know what happens to equipment that is not maintained on a daily basis by someone like Mr. Steward. With the help of Mr. Steward, we have updated our fleet of equipment far above anything our association has ever had.



Your Architectural Committee members Wayne and Claudia Speed, have had their hands tied by an Executive Board Member – Glen Martinez, and are unable to do their duties. Mr. Glen Martinez also terminated our contract with Cadden Management…. Why? They have been doing an outstanding job!



The actions that took place last week circumvented the President and The Board of Directors and should not be acceptable to our membership.



Based on this current action by four members of the Executive committee, the Board needs to have a Special Meeting to ask Mr. Martinez, Mr. Salem, Mr. Wenzlau, Ms. Springer for their resignation because now it appears they are trying to overthrow our Association and take control. These officers must recognize the consequences of their careless actions.



I have been the voice for facts, which you have received over the last eight years. Believe me now; this group does not appear to have your best interest at heart with their current actions.



These current actions by members of the Executive Committee require a complete Vote of the Board of Directors. It is not acceptable for them to take this type of action on their own.



Last Item….



With the passing of the Budget that included the approval of our dues for 2008-2009, please consider paying your dues in order to keep our association running and viable.



Also, a wish that our President goes out to our membership and requests to our business people with good business judgment to serve on our committees and financial committee so we never have the financial disaster we have had the last eight years.



Thank you.

A concerned member… Joe Friday







Contact them and

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and that we care

what happens

in our Association

[JimMcG]

Am I understanding this correctly that the Las Conchas homeowners have actually contributed three million dollars towards the De Sal plant and have already lost 90% of it?

[fatboyharley]

As a homeowner in Las Conchas I can also speak up. This individual is speaking many false statements. The money has not been lost. Las Conchas like many banks etc is tightening their purse strings. Many people don't like it. Dave Steward was making $30,000 a year to make sure the equipment was being maintained. The architect was sitting in the office for 40 hours a week making almost $20 /hour. The fat has had to be trimmed. Regarding the desal the individual who said the organization could have the property to build the plant will not give title to the land. To buy land ,no one wants to have additional assessments. The equipment is sitting in a warehouse. The board of directors is trying to figure out what to do wth it. No one wants to buy desal equipment. OBrien needs get some of his facts straight. There is more internal information but I won't bored you with the details other than to say , the money is not there and less than 75% of the homeowners pay the association dues. If everyone paid their dues this would not be a problem but they do not. Every thing can be as before but the dues for those that pay would have to be raised and no one wants that. It is a shame that individuals who volunteer for their time on the board get treated by others (like OBrien )like dirt. Shame Shame I don't see you taking on board positions. You can talk like this when you walk in their shoes. :x

[playaperro]

Yes Jim, The last review sent out by the president of Las Conchas states that all funds
if any are gone. There are vecinos wanting an audit from the day this fiasco started. It
has nothing to do with cutting the fat. No one gives away land.

[jerry]

After we leave from iraq the market will be flooded with good portable diesel desal units.
Man if the jewel of the Sonoran developments is screwed It makes me wonder about the rest of us.

[JimMcG]

Am I also remembering correctly that this project was primarily, proposed, planned and supervised by educated American professional owners and that it is not merely another solely Mexican fiasco?

[jerry]

I understand Noriega is getting out of prison in Panama soon. Maybe he can be hired to run the Las Conchas HOA and crack the whip when needed

[InkaRoads]

Come on Dryheat, where is your comment about the situation in hand at las Conchas :lol: :lol:
It seems to me like good old american boys screwing with some other good old american boys in mexican territory!!!! :eek3:
I suppose Las Conchas members should hired O'ferril to take care of their problems!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[rikyt]

There are no checks or balances on these homeowner associations. They collect large sums of monies from people that want to be members but have no real way of protecting the monies from greedy board members with no moral values.

That is one of the reasons soon to be governor
Jan Brewer and her husband John chose not to be members of Las Conchas homeowners association. They ended up going to court in Hermosillo and Jan and her husband won because belonging to a homeowners association is voluntary in Mexico.

[fatboyharley]

What a piece of work she is. She won't pay the dues but enjoys the benefits including getting her garbarge picked up, streets taken care of, water. Yea she's great! It is people like her that means that Las Conchas doesn't have enough money but the members want more including those that don't pay.

[rikyt]

Las Conchas's is in the city of Puerto Penasco, home owners pay city taxes like we all do that own a home in Puerto Penasco which is for services provided by the city if they wanted the services.The city will pick up the trash and fix the roads if they let them. If a few people want to have there own services and pay dues I guess they can. That doesn't mean that everybody has to join the HOA because as you can tell there is no checks and balances for the the people that run the HOA'S. If you want to join and watch your money disappear I guess you can. Like I said you do not have to be a member of the HOA that was organized by Americans, not the Mexican government.

[dry heat]

Did Las Conchas HOA have a surveillance committee made up of at least 6 owners voted in by the community? If they did not then I can see how the HOA took the money and caused problems. If they did have a surveillance committee no excuse for the squandering of funds if they had an eye over them. A good HOA in Mexico should have a surveillance committee appointed by the community and made up of owners.

[fatboyharley]

The money is not lost. The money was used to put in meters at each house, set up a Las Conchas water company, and buy the equipment. The engineering costs of planning is also included in there. The HOA is not bankrupt. It has cut the fat like I mentioned earlier. Yes there is a review board. Friday makes it sound like there is no money. The HOA works on keeping the community in the black. There are some very angry people who recently resigned or got voted off . OBrien did not run the organization any better. If anything the community was in worse shape. There are always two sides to every story. Friday's is just one.

[Dezracer]

I am a newcomer to Las Conchas...brought my house 3 years ago. And I still have no idea what is going on. I have heard many stories and their views, but nothing is consistent. There is no accountability and nothing but accusations and naming calling.

Some people have been vocal about the management company. About how much they get paid for what they do. I for one am glad Cadden Management is here...at least somebody is keeping track of the money now. As for where the money went for the water system....who the hell knows. People have stated that it is not gone and that it has been used towards the water system...well if thats the case, why is after so many years that we dont have a finished system in place???

[Kelney]

Not to digress from who is a crook and not a crook but I am curious to know about the current water situation. Does Las Conchas have a steady supply of water now? There for awhile they only got water every two or three days so you really had to ration it. Sort of felt like camping.

[JimMcG]

Las Conchas's is in the city of Puerto Penasco, home owners pay city taxes like we all do that own a home in Puerto Penasco which is for services provided by the city if they wanted the services.The city will pick up the trash and fix the roads if they let them. If a few people want to have there own services and pay dues I guess they can. That doesn't mean that everybody has to join the HOA because as you can tell there is no checks and balances for the the people that run the HOA'S. If you want to join and watch your money disappear I guess you can. Like I said you do not have to be a member of the HOA that was organized by Americans, not the Mexican government.

Good for Mr. Mrs. Brewer! In spite of the 'group thinking' of US HOA advocates, often supported by pressure from certain local Mexican attorneys, just as in the US, anyone who owns a property before the insecure power freak and often unqualifed Hoa advocates arrive is not compelled to join.

[Dezracer]

Not to digress from who is a crook and not a crook but I am curious to know about the current water situation. Does Las Conchas have a steady supply of water now? There for awhile they only got water every two or three days so you really had to ration it. Sort of felt like camping.
Water is only on a few times a week...almost all the homes have giant underground tanks that hold the water and use pumps to supply the house with water pressure

[playaperro]

Planning a trip this week to Las Conchas December 2008
Date: 12/15/2008

If you are planning a trip this week to Las Conchas, be aware that our union employees have shut down our water system. We are being allowed to purchase water from the water truck suppliers. We are hopeful that this problem will be resolved soon, however you need to be aware of this situation.

They have also closed the main entrance and the equipment entrance into Las Conchas. We are using the exit for both entering and exiting which is not a particularly good method. We believe that this problem will be over by morning and all entrances will be open.

[Submarine]

Standfast my Union brothers!

[ernesto]

If you only knew. They strike for more money every couple of months and don't do <WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP> for work. Laziest bunch of jackasses we've ever had. Shutting off the h2o was a mistake though and they're about to realize it.Totally illegal, now the police and the Mayor are involved. There was a wage comparison floating around awhile back that showed what they get. They are actually better paid than most city workers.As for Brewer, she used our roads and trash services for free for many years, maybe you applaud that type of selfish behavior. If so I wouldn't want you for a vecino either. Nothing worse than a load that won't pay their own way.

[Submarine]

Where do I start?

So they use their strike clause which is obviously in the contract your HOA negotiated and you are surprised?[/*:m:3l1xesqv] Shutting off the water would be the first thing I would do if I were leading the strike, and it could be easily justfied as a "breakdown". Again, you are surprised? [/*:m:3l1xesqv] I'm sure there are lots of things floating around, and probably soon to be floating in your water. Since these are not workers employed by the City, the comparison has no relevance. If you mean RP workers in general, it still has no relevance. These workers are obviously motivated and orgainzed to stand up for what so they deserve what they get. (which brings into question your characterization of these workers as I assure you it's a lot harder to go on strike than to work).[/*:m:3l1xesqv] Jan Brewer is a Republican and staunchly anti-Union. Unlike Unions in Arizona, HOA's have the power to force you to join whether you want to or not (Right to Work For Less laws). And for some reason you are surprised that Jan chose not to join your HOA/Union when she saw a legal way to avoid it? [/*:m:3l1xesqv] HOA's have proven to be highly susceptible to corruption due to lack of oversight and accountablility. In fact, in another ironic comparison to a Union, if I were a Mafia boss an HOA would be ripe for the picking. Add in that the HOA is in a foreign country and most of the members live in the U.S. and.......[/*:m:3l1xesqv] But if I were to buy in RP it would be in Las Conchas because I prefer that area. I wouldn't join the HOA either especially with the desal boondogle. Where I live now in Gilbert I specifically looked for a house in one of the 14 neighborhoods without an HOA and I like it just fine. I don't need anyone telling me how to be a good neighbor. [/*:m:3l1xesqv]

[ernesto]

There is no contract with a strike clause. You can have a union in Mexico with as little as 2 workers and they can strike. Ask Tom O'hare of the Rocky Point Times, they struck his office too.
I reiterate: these guys refuse to work, the problem does not lie with the HOA it lies with the workers. There is TOTAL relevance in the FACT that they are already comparatively well paid .Common sense dictates that you do fair work for your wage or move along. And as I said , shutting off the water is illegal , not the right thing to do.
I believe Brewer saw the error of her ways and corrected it once it went public. Shame and the need for votes rules.

[fatboyharley]

The mayor will not get involved because this coming year is an election year and if he supports the gringos, he won't be voted in. The police turned the water valves on but the pumps are locked and taped and without the pumps we have no water. The last strike cost the people who pay their assessments over $70,000. Right now there are more than 200 who have not paid in 2008. That is over $200,000 in fees. The rest of us who paid we can not afford another large sum like this. The MX government offices close on the 18th and don't reopen until the 5th of Jan. Without government assistance the homeowners can do nothing. We can't even unlock the building with the pumps. The workers are striking LasConchas and the building of the pumps is LasConchas. They are not striking against the homeowners they say. If the building is unlocked, the person doing it would be arrested.
It is a long story to why the strike occured but less i say the union official set up three emploees to be insubordinate three times, resulting in them getting fired. These firings resulted in the strike.
For all you union lovers there. The Mexican unions are not anything like the American unions. They are worse. Be careful talking so big about unions. With the new pres elect, socialism will over take capitalism and your beloved unions will go down the river without a paddle.

[Submarine]

Best of luck with that. I'm no Obama fan but he does consider himself a friend of Union's. IMO, thing will stay pretty much the same. I do find it odd that you think Socialism is the death knell for Unions though. Seems to me there is a lot of Socialism going on in Europe and there sure are a lot of Unions and Union activity.
We might not have to wait for Obama with all the corporate socialism going on right now!

It's a good thing I'm not running that strike, I'd turn the pumps back on but they would be attached to the sewer lines. All sorts of stuff would be floating around!

[dry heat]

Jesus and a Union Guy...
Two managers and a union worker were fishing on a lake one day, when Jesus walked across the water and joined them in the boat. When the three astonished men had settled down enough to speak, the first guy asked humbly, "Jesus, I've suffered from back pain ever since I took shrapnel in the Vietnam war...could you help me?" "Of course, my son", Jesus said, and when he touched the man's back, he felt relief for the first time in years. The second man, who wore very thick glasses and had a hard time reading and driving, asked if Jesus could do anything about his eyesight. Jesus smiled, removed the man's glasses and tossed them in the lake. When they hit the water, the man's eyes cleared and he could see everything distinctly. When Jesus turned to heal the union worker, the guy put his hands up and cried defensively, "Don't touch me! I'm on long term disability."

Did you know that Union people built the pyramids? It was originally designed as a cube. Each shift did a little less till the last said 'throw a rock on top and lets go home'.

AFL-CIO:
American Federation of Leaches, Criminals, Ingrates, and Oddballs

A man walks down the road, but stops at a peculiar sight. Two union guys are working by the side of the road, but the first is simply digging holes while the second is filling them up. Curiousity gets the best of the walker, so he asks the men what they are doing.
"We're a post-hole crew," says the first.
"But what about the posts?"
The other union guy answers, "we're a three man crew -- Bob digs the holes, I fill them, and Charlie puts the posts in, but he's out sick today."

[Submarine]

And the Pyramids have lasted for how long?

Bob and the other guy were "working as directed".

I don't think your anti-union jokes are going to give Scott Adams anything to worry about!
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I've had a few people ask me whey I use the name Leastbest. As always there is a story.

When I was a young driver for ETDS I was told my boss wanted to see me in the office. I walked in and two supervisors were there. I was told to sit down and they closed the door. Whenever a door is closed it is a bad thing.

Supervisor #1: Are you aware that we only hire the best people?

Me: No I didn't.

Supervisor #1: Well we do. You're in here because we only hire the best people but you are least best.

Me: You mean I'm the worst?

Supervisor #1: No, we don't have any worst drivers, we only have the best drivers and you are least best.

At this time I felt as though I had fallen through a rabbit hole and into some Orwellian world.

Me: But I'm still one one of the best, right?

Supervisor #2: What are you stupid?

Me: How could I be, I'm one of the best!

Supervisor #2: You are being told this so you can improve.

Me: How can I improve? I'm already one of the best.

Supervisor #1: I'm not wasting any more time with you. You are put on notice. You are least best.

Me: As long as I'm one of the best.

This was only the beginning of my problems with the convoluted language of ETDS. One time a supervisor and I had this sparkling conversation.

Supervisor: Do you know what your problem is?

Me: No I don't. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

Supervisor: Your problem is you react to problems. You should preact!

Me: What does that mean?

Supervisor: You should expect the unexpected. Act upon things before they happen.

Me: I wish I had acted upon this conversation before it happened and walked away.

Supervisor: There is no point in talking to you, you never listen.

Since then I've had hundreds of these conversations, each one a little more mind-numbing than the one before. Anyone who thinks the Dilbert cartoons are fantasy have never worked for a corporation.

[JimMcG]

According to upper management's handbook 'Management for Dummy's', it would appear that in the interest of maintaining your self esteem, 'least best' puts you ahead of 'best worse', which gives you a sporting chance for improvement. One added piece of advice mentioned refers to word substitution as a fast track for promotion, ie substitute words like 'fantastic' in lieu of 'bullshit' in your responses to serious management strategies. This should help. :roll:

[jerry]

How much do the workers make at Las Conchas? I'm looking for long term employment after I burn out on throwing my shoes at dear leaders picture.

[Submarine]

Just stop on by Puerta Privada Jerry, they have the whole top floor!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDC0qcf0kzE

[InkaRoads]

The other union guy answers, "we're a three man crew -- Bob digs the holes, I fill them, and Charlie puts the posts in, but he's out sick today."
This passage demostrates how little brain union people have!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Bob and the other guy were "working as directed
This passage demostrates how little brain corporate america has!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

IMHO, after working for both systems I ended up with my own business, tighter but lots happier!!!!
my two cents, and if you think is worthless then call it my two pesos!!!

and no matter what I still enjoy PP and the beach, renting a condo or in my trailer
:eek3:

[Jim]

I came out to Las Conchas this morning and talked to a guard at the guard shack. He said that the dispute had been settled and he was happy about it. He did not go into details but as far as I can see, things are back up and running out here.

[El Semental]

The latest word is that the HOA is buying out the contract, the employees will be out of work and security will be contracted to a private firm. Not settled yet.

[AZ Miguel]

Where do I start?

So they use their strike clause which is obviously in the contract your HOA negotiated and you are surprised?[/*:m:yqs29o0p] Shutting off the water would be the first thing I would do if I were leading the strike, and it could be easily justfied as a "breakdown". Again, you are surprised? [/*:m:yqs29o0p] I'm sure there are lots of things floating around, and probably soon to be floating in your water. Since these are not workers employed by the City, the comparison has no relevance. If you mean RP workers in general, it still has no relevance. These workers are obviously motivated and orgainzed to stand up for what so they deserve what they get. (which brings into question your characterization of these workers as I assure you it's a lot harder to go on strike than to work).[/*:m:yqs29o0p] Jan Brewer is a Republican and staunchly anti-Union. Unlike Unions in Arizona, HOA's have the power to force you to join whether you want to or not (Right to Work For Less laws). And for some reason you are surprised that Jan chose not to join your HOA/Union when she saw a legal way to avoid it? [/*:m:yqs29o0p] HOA's have proven to be highly susceptible to corruption due to lack of oversight and accountablility. In fact, in another ironic comparison to a Union, if I were a Mafia boss an HOA would be ripe for the picking. Add in that the HOA is in a foreign country and most of the members live in the U.S. and.......[/*:m:yqs29o0p] But if I were to buy in RP it would be in Las Conchas because I prefer that area. I wouldn't join the HOA either especially with the desal boondogle. Where I live now in Gilbert I specifically looked for a house in one of the 14 neighborhoods without an HOA and I like it just fine. I don't need anyone telling me how to be a good neighbor. [/*:m:yqs29o0p]

Dude, strength in numbers, not by fear to the innocent.

[jerry]

Well since it looks like HOA cannot function as a ruling body that serves it's people.I think they should hire this guy:
http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategori ... /robot.jpg (http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/17/robot.jpg)

Fat assed union feather bedders,crooked desalinization plant salesmen,classless faulty tower builders all will feel his power.

Also maybe Charles Barkley is available to run the place while waiting out his dui trial.

[fatboyharley]

Ok so who really wrote this letter and how is it getting out to the homeowners in Las Conchas? Had I not been a blog reader I would have never gotten this.

[playaperro]

The money is not lost. The money was used to put in meters at each house, set up a Las Conchas water company, and buy the equipment. The engineering costs of planning is also included in there. The HOA is not bankrupt. It has cut the fat like I mentioned earlier. Yes there is a review board. Friday makes it sound like there is no money. The HOA works on keeping the community in the black. There are some very angry people who recently resigned or got voted off . OBrien did not run the organization any better. If anything the community was in worse shape. There are always two sides to every story. Friday's is just one.
How long have you been at Las Conchas?

[fatboyharley]

:confused::confused::-P

[fatboyharley]

Name calling and swearing in any language is a demonstation of ignorance.

[playaperro]

Name calling and swearing in any language is a demonstation of ignorance.
Not in my book, Maybe candy ass punks like you don't like it.

[Kenny]

Not in my book, Maybe candy ass punks like you don't like it.

If I were you playa, if someone came up to me in PP and asked if I was playaperro, I'd say no... One of these here candy ass's are liable to knock you down on yours.:mrgreen:
If you are such a hard case, post a picture loud mouth! You won't do it, and most of us know why... Eres un cobarde, con una boca grande.

Kenny

[fatboyharley]

Not in my book, Maybe candy ass punks like you don't like it.

You are speaking to an educated woman and I would appreciate more respect. Individuals like you are why men get a bad rap. I will not stoop to your level of ignorance.

[azbeachboy]

If I were you playa, if someone came up to me in PP and asked if I was playaperro, I'd say no... One of these here candy ass's are liable to knock you down on yours.:mrgreen:
If you are such a hard case, post a picture loud mouth! You won't do it, and most of us know why... Eres un cobarde, con una boca grande.

Kenny
I think Happy is coaching Kenny on his Spanish...

[playaperro]

[QUOTE=fatboyharley;9146]You are speaking to an educated woman and I would appreciate more respect. Individuals like you are why men get a bad rap. I will not stoop to your level of ignorance.[/QUOTE
RESPECT has to be earned..

[playaperro]

Hey FBH how do you feel about the DeSalt and our Parklands now? Our parks are now fenced off, Looks like the type of fence Fransico Hernandez Mandujano uses. What a
shame huh. Looks like friday called this one right.

[fatboyharley]

Why should you care about LC and what I think? GAL!!!

[playaperro]

:lol: Its people like you that helped these people pull this scam off.

[lagrimas85]

The park in front of me is now called The Village. When we subdivded land in Penasco the roads, parks and anything else that was never intended to be sold, unless it was dedicated to the city all stayed in our names as a parcel of saleable land (Yes even the roads). We still have roads that are held as saleable properties and in the wrong hands could be used to block access to properties of other people. This finally got stopped in Desarollo Urbano about 4 years ago. Too many crooks that took advantage of a dangerous situation. Thats Rocky Point.

[playaperro]

No thats Las Conchas Hoa.

[rikyt]

Hey Kenny,
Are you a land owner in Las Conchas or any where in Mexico?Do you have a dog in the fight?

[Kenny]

Hey Kenny,
Are you a land owner in Las Conchas or any where in Mexico?Do you have a dog in the fight?
Hey rikyt, my last, and I believe my only post on this thread was strictly aimed at all the foul mouthed barking the dog was doing at that time.(almost a year ago) You don't have a problem with that do you, or what?
I hope that's a horse I hear coming.:veg:

[playaperro]

The park in front of me is now called The Village. When we subdivded land in Penasco the roads, parks and anything else that was never intended to be sold, unless it was dedicated to the city all stayed in our names as a parcel of saleable land (Yes even the roads). We still have roads that are held as saleable properties and in the wrong hands could be used to block access to properties of other people. This finally got stopped in Desarollo Urbano about 4 years ago. Too many crooks that took advantage of a dangerous situation. Thats Rocky Point.
So they sold all the Parks and kept the funds.

[lagrimas85]

Those funds and what about the $9000.00 USD fee collected on every new house built for the desalinator. Thats probably gone too. When I built 3 houses in section one I paid $33000.00 usd to Las Conchas and got back $6000.00 that was held as a clean up deposit. I would bet if somebody could check the builders of The Village (the ex park)didn't pay $1.00 in desalinator or impact fees.

[jerry]

Those funds and what about the $9000.00 USD fee collected on every new house built for the desalinator. Thats probably gone too. When I built 3 houses in section one I paid $33000.00 usd to Las Conchas and got back $6000.00 that was held as a clean up deposit. I would bet if somebody could check the builders of The Village (the ex park)didn't pay $1.00 in desalinator or impact fees.
well this off the subject but...every village needs an idiot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNBNqUdqm1E

[lagrimas85]

well this off the subject but...every village needs an idiot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNBNqUdqm1E

It's not off the subject Jerry when Los Vecinos gets done with you, you feel like a village idiot

[Roberto]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[jerry]

so what ever happened to the Desal plant/ Does it work? What did it cost?

[Mentiras y Traición]

Joe Friday is Richard O'Brien who owes the ladron, Francisco Hernandez Mandujano favors. He thinks that because he met Mom once or twice, he knew her. Bottom line is, and always will be, Francisco Hernandez Mandujano lied to our family and betrayed our mother. You really gotta look at someone's motivation for what they say and it's validity. We learn more every day about how Machiavellian Hernandez is by how he has and continues to try to drive a wedge between us as family members. Some are just more gullible than others. Watch carefully, what he does is separate and conquer. Almost worked with us. I'll bet anyone that knows him has experienced his sad story about how (usually) the men in the family don't like him...and then, of course, as women, we try to fix it. The truth is, he is starting his divisive game. Some people are just in too deep with him to get out....try the mirror!

[playaperro]

Jerry asked about the desal project.....Dead, been dead, sitting in some Las Vegas warehouse. No one's ever seen it. Collected about 3 million USA dollars. If you read the thread O"brien explains it pretty good.
I hear the city of bell california is hiring.

[playaperro]

Bump....

[Kenny]

I think it's Sub:o, coming back to haunt Stuart.:puff:

[Roberto]

:lol:Shouldn't this be in the Health section !!?!?:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[playaperro]

Long story, This is why you have to clean house!!
Thanks Las Conchas Board and Vecino's

[playaperro]

Did Las Conchas HOA have a surveillance committee made up of at least 6 owners voted in by the community? If they did not then I can see how the HOA took the money and caused problems. If they did have a surveillance committee no excuse for the squandering of funds if they had an eye over them. A good HOA in Mexico should have a surveillance committee appointed by the community and made up of owners.
Say What?

[jerry]

so who got the money...was the sale a good thing/
Long story, This is why you have to clean house!!
Thanks Las Conchas Board and Vecino's

[playaperro]

so who got the money...was the sale a good thing/

Yea its a done deal, closed escrow. Vecino's have the money they will refunding some money to those who paid into this...Like I said you have to clean house. U can't have one person be president for 2 terms vice president for 2 terms well lets say he had everything for 2 terms. Jerry I rather tell you in person, lets hook up
one day..

[Kenny]

Playa say's..
Jerry I rather tell you in person, lets hook up

And I say..Please Jerry, bring the dog down to Santo Tomas for our annual great Corvina hunt, I can always use more bait!

[lagrimas85]

Playa, I paid $33,000.00 in fees to Las Conchas in 2007. $6000.00 of that money was refunded when I finaled out the three houses I built in section 1. $27,000.00 of the deposits was kept as an impact fee. I think the impact fee was another name for financing the desal plant is this what you are talking about? I hope so-- me and you are goin' on vacation if it is.

[Wahoo]

Jan Brewer and her husband John chose not to be members of Las Conchas homeowners association. They ended up going to court in Hermosillo and Jan and her husband won because belonging to a homeowners association is voluntary in Mexico.

" belonging to a homeowners association is voluntary in Mexico..."

do not tell that to the owners of las Palomas ......

[playaperro]

Yea Bill you got some money coming to you amigo, They sent out some letters to the vecino's and if you have your paperwork they should have a record and you got some money coming back. Better drop in and tell them, or call, unless you need Arturo's email I can forward it to you.

[lagrimas85]

I will go see Arturo Tuesday. Thanks alot. Dont forget it's Puerto Penasco so dont pack your bags yet-- but start thinking of a couple destinations.

[playaperro]

I was going down but my house is rented till next Monday. Vegas sounds great...

[lagrimas85]

A.C. Thanks for the letter, sold for $412,000.00, I dont remember what was paid but it seems they took a big hit. I kissed that money away 4 years ago so whatever we get is just like finding it. I have had a great March and April so this is like a bonus.

[playaperro]

Playa say's..
And I say..Please Jerry, bring the dog down to Santo Tomas for our annual great Corvina hunt, I can always use more bait!
Kennita i look forward to hooking up with ya..All i ask is you stop and bring RJHO with ya....Btw did u see where that panga got busted with 2.5 tons of corvina...

[playaperro]

A.C. Thanks for the letter, sold for $412,000.00, I dont remember what was paid but it seems they took a big hit. I kissed that money away 4 years ago so whatever we get is just like finding it. I have had a great March and April so this is like a bonus.
My Guesstimate i don't remember got pretty ugly on another tread where the quotes of prices were but was deleted was about $859,000 for the two trains they just sold.

[lagrimas85]

Start in Nevada and wind up here www.tootsiescabaret.com (http://www.tootsiescabaret.com) in Miami and here in South Beach www.mangostropicalcafe.com (http://www.mangostropicalcafe.com) I love Miami. Or we could just go to the Mayan and hang out with the Canadian's for a couple day's and flick seagull poop at each other in the swimming pool. Its your choice A.C. I hope you make the right one. Please

[lagrimas85]

Playa, Fabiola found our paperwork and the amount of money that went to the desal project from our fee's. I really appreciate your post about the sale, I probably would never have found out.

[playaperro]

well with the breakdown if you paid $4200.00 usa dollars you might get back, guess under $400.00 plus what was just taken in on the sale of the two desal trains.
You came late to the party lagrimas but you got here.

[lagrimas85]

well with the breakdown if you paid $4200.00 usa dollars you might get back, guess under $400.00 plus what was just taken in on the sale of the two desal trains.
You came late to the party lagrimas but you got here.
Playa, actually it was 3 houses I built so its 4200x3. That sounds about right for Puerto Penasco give them $4200.00 and get back under $400.00 when the clowns they are decide they cant do it right anyway. Penasco's full of 'em. We can still go on vacation,we'll take a tent,a couple pack's of hot dogs and some fricken marshmellos and head over to the tent section of Playa De Oro. I must have been dreamin'. Miami www.tootsiescabaret.com (http://www.tootsiescabaret.com) www.mangostropicalcafe.com (http://www.mangostropicalcafe.com) ,Vegas. I think I will pack my Avon " SOAP ON A ROPE" just to be safe" in case we have to use public showers.

[rockyptjoe]

Bill....why go tenting...with that kind of money, you can rent a condo at Las Palomas....from one of dryheat's neighbors.....just check craigslist!!!:stir::rofl:

[lagrimas85]

Bill....why go tenting...with that kind of money, you can rent a condo at Las Palomas....from one of dryheat's neighbors.....just check craigslist!!!:stir::rofl:

Joe, you don't think somebody would squeal or snitch on me, I think I would crack if they locked me in the managers office for questioning.

[playaperro]

Bill $4200 was the first wave if you refuse to pay they shut your water off and charged
you more, you might of been with the crew that paid close to five grand. Man that was
a pisser. paying the city $300 a year for water, then paying the crooks up to two
thousand dollars a year. Now were back on the city water and paying around $400.00
a year.
P.S. RPJ of all your new york style jokes i don't care for, that is the only one that made "cents".

[lagrimas85]

Playa, here is the actual breakdown $3000.00 Building Fee---$2000.00 Clean Up Fee---$1200.00 Water Connection Fee---$4725.00 Desalinazation Assessment Fee---$400.00 Water Use Fee =$11,325.00 x 3=$33,975.00 for me. I hope I'm not forgetting any fee's here.

[playaperro]

Playa de Oro for a week. Happys coup...that was so chetoso LMAO...Maybe $1400.00 on your desal fee and maybe another $2000.00 on the trains they just sold, So
your looking at about $3400.00 for ya....Building fee gone water connection gone...

[lagrimas85]

Playa, my dreams of going to Vegas getting all the perk's, being highrollers free rooms, food, drinks and women, then on to South Beach, you and me Cuban girls on each arm, sipping Mojito's with real Cuban Mojito Mint have been destroyed. By the time Las Conchas gets done with me, we are gonna be camping in the tent area of Playa De Oro,guzzling Hamm's 40 ozers and probably wind up sharing a fat girl from Sonoyta.

[Kenny]

Playa, my dreams of going to Vegas getting all the perk's, being highrollers free rooms, food, drinks and women, then on to South Beach, you and me Cuban girls on each arm, sipping Mojito's with real Cuban Mojito Mint have been destroyed. By the time Las Conchas gets done with me, we are gonna be camping in the tent area of Playa De Oro,guzzling Hamm's 40 ozers and probably wind up sharing a fat girl from Sonoyta.
So in other words, same o same o for the dog.:lol:

[lagrimas85]

Looks that way Kenny, back to reality, really not only Las Conchas, I am married too, thats the real problem.

[lagrimas85]

Playa de Oro for a week. Happys coup...that was so chetoso LMAO...Maybe $1400.00 on your desal fee and maybe another $2000.00 on the trains they just sold, So
your looking at about $3400.00 for ya....Building fee gone water connection gone...
That's more than I thought I had coming last week, its allright actually it was figured in the cost of the house's when they were built and sold and I wasn't expecting to get anything back ever. But that still doesn't let the sharpies running Las Conchas off the hook they are still a bunch of clowns. That's why I like Lagrimas no bullsh%ten americans to jack around with.

[lagrimas85]

Playa, I just left Arturo's office. Refund is back on track and I now know the amount. We probably wont be doin' any tent camping anyway.

[playaperro]

Bill thanks for the update, pretty sure there some lurkers on here that are headed down to the office too. Hope he don't read the forum.. Ha

[lagrimas85]

I wish I could bring investor's money in, not do what I say I am gonna do and then a couple years later return only 1/3 of it. The right thing to do would know what you are doing before you start gathering funds from people and then you don't have to lurk around. If I didn't know anything about water desalinators I probably wouldn't say anything at all, I have installed 2 on boat's for long range travel and started to pull permits (denied) to install one in Lopez. There isn't anything to complicated, they are very basic ( you can build a 500 gallon a day one in your garage in a day or two) Las Conchas made it complicated with the money they had available to complicate things.

[rockyptjoe]

Bill thanks for the update, pretty sure there some lurkers on here that are headed down to the office too. Hope he don't read the forum.. Ha

Hey Bill....if there isn't enough money for a South Beach escapade....there is always Guau..Guau!!:rofl:

[lagrimas85]

Your funny, A dream turned into a nightmare. Joe, fyi Guau Guau now has valet parking, just leave your car and key's with the kid in the street.

[playaperro]

Bill how did the meeting go. They been trying to put this thing to rest but the old board would never give in and say let it go.

[rockyptjoe]

Your funny, A dream turned into a nightmare. Joe, fyi Guau Guau now has valet parking, just leave your car and key's with the kid in the street.

Now who's the comedian????

[lagrimas85]

Bill how did the meeting go. They been trying to put this thing to rest but the old board would never give in and say let it go.

Really nice with Arturo, as always. I cant say anything bad about him.

[lagrimas85]

Playa, I still have some lots in Las Conchas, but even though I built there I was never in the Hoa. My paperwork specifies how the fee's I paid were split up, I almost bet if I took them to court, the court would give me all the money I paid toward the desalinator. That was the deal and they didn't fulfill they're end of it. The Hoa can vote how to split the money amongst themselves if they want, but I was never a member.

[playaperro]

Bill, so if you are not a member of the hoa you get no refund?

[Mentiras y Traición]

Really nice with Arturo, as always. I cant say anything bad about him.

Arturo is part of the machine that allowed Hernandez to hijack our house. He says Hernandez showed him a "will." We all know that is not true.

[lagrimas85]

Bill, so if you are not a member of the hoa you get no refund?

Playa, I dont think it matters, in my case.