Francisco Hernandez Mandujano and the Blair Family

[playaperro]

Sheryl Says:

April 20th, 2009 at 12:35 am
I would like to hear from those who had Mexican employees like the housekeeper (her name isn’t Maria, is it?) who tried to take the property. Our caretaker of 20+ years, Francisco Hernandez Mandjuano, along with his employees and so-called “family”, has taken over our house in Las Conchas last month, claiming ownership. He was our employee for all that time, nothing more.

We have a trust, but the police threw us out of our house last month instead of him. He had “papers” but not one of the police or judiciary or the neighborhood Norte Americanos that reviewed them have the legal knowledge to interpret them properly. The police even refused to look at our trust. Was Francisco right all these years when he told us he “owns” the police in Penasco and has many friends like the current Mayor in high places that will be on his side no matter what? What’s even sadder is that some of our Norte Americano neighbors have been assisting him in his attempts to steal our property. Some have signed false documents, and one simply pretend to be our friend while he “counseled” us to wait…we waited too long to head this part off, which was apparently the plan all along. Well, we are getting a better picture of the players now.

Francisco has all sorts of stories, depending on who his audience is at the time. Sometimes, the poor man has no family, no support system, then he can qualify for donations from the Larry Large Foundation for his kidney replacement (see the Larry Large Foundation website for his sob story, you will also see how we used to believe in him…we have asked the Foundation to remove our statement; they refuse}. Consider this writing our emphatic statement that we are no longer affiliated in any manner with Sr. Hernandez since he has shown his true intentions and character); then the next person he talks to, he is a “family” man who is just trying to take care of his children. So many personalities for so many situations…must get tiring.

Then for the unassuming older women who are his main prey, he tells them sad stories about what a great man he is because he takes care of people abandoned by their own children.

If this man or anyone he is associated with ever says to you “Don’t worry, mister, I’ll take care of it”, you can be certain that he will take care of it… for his benefit. Our mother thought she could trust him for 20 years and now it is evident he has spent that time plotting and manipulating our family for his benefit.

[Jeff]

WOW! That sucks! :shock: :shock: :o

[playaperro]

http://www.larrydlargefoundation.org/Hc_Francisco.htm

[El Feo]

Spread the word on this guy. He actually still "manages" property for people in Las Conchas. His photo and this note needs to be posted to the Las Conchas Vecinos site. Unsure how he does it but this type of stuff has been going on with him for many years.

Was this property originally on a 'green lease' ??

[fatboyharley]

I don't understand. What name was on the property tax bill, water and electric bill? Have you hired a lawyer? If not, why not? are you going to fight it? I have never had any contact with this man but I would like to know more.

[El Feo]

Yeah, I knew about the Cortez deal. Francisco is still 'working' the area. He stopped by a new resident's house just the other day with some crap storey about picking up a package, just to get his nose in the door. He often rents out homes he 'manages' without the owner's knowledge and of course pockets the money. One owner showed up unexpectedly and was told by Big F that he left teh front door unlocked and the people were lost and entered the wrong house :lol: :lol:

True that most people believe that he has lots of influence in government and maybe are a little afraid of him. If a group went after him as well as Cortez, he might get what he deserves.

You are correct about his having intent to acquire more homes.

Can you get those people to post to the LC Vecinos site? I don't thave the link on ths computer, maybe you have it.

[fatboyharley]

The Blair family would have access to the web site and could post this information in the message area.

[El Feo]

Hey Feo, Have you seem him or been by the house he is holed up in Sec 2 Are you familiar with the Blair house. Well he has all the lots in front of the Blair house fenced off with barbed wire, The las conchas board should
change the ccr's to outlaw the cattle fences. So the next time he fences off a lot he would have to get a permit.What do you think Fatboy Harley?
I would rather work together than against each other. vBulletin is a very
powerful tool.


Yes, I've seen him and been by the house in Sec. 2. I just don't understand why the folk in Las Conchas don't get together on this stuff?? What do you think the problem is ?

[playaperro]

It's really a legal problem, but now that Franky has double crossed the Blairs maybe they will come clean and tell what really happened.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Well, this is my second try at a post. Maybe this time I'll get it. We will be very happy to tell the entire community our story. It may take a while since we have known Hernandez for 40 years. As some of you know, my father, Bill Pomeroy, was one of the initial developers of Las Conchas beginning in the late 1950's. He was given property instead of money for his work on the project, and my mother inherited from him at his death in 1971. Mom built their dream home after his death and it was completed about 1974. Fast forward to 2009, and her property manager, Hernandez, is claiming she "verbally" gave him the property in 1988. This is notwithstanding the fact that during that same year, she named my sister, Linda Corbetta, beneficiary of the trust that holds title to the property. Mom died in 2002. Linda spent about the last three years of mom's life taking care of her 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I understand that Hernandez is telling tales around the community that mom's children abandoned her and that he had to take care of her. Hard to do when you are that person's primary caretaker and live with them. My sister set her own life aside to care for our mother and Hernandez knows this. His attempts to garner sympathy by lying about my family relationships is pathetic. Unfortunately, I understand how easily people can be taken in by his stories...after all, we were for a very long time. There is much more that will come out in trial. We are discovering every day more and more about this, and I use the term loosely, man's character. My mother and my sister trusted him completely; mom until the day she died and my sister until the day he locked us out of our house, called the police to drag us to the police station where he declared himself the owner of our house. We had defended him for many years, and we were wrong. My mother and my sister are loving, caring, trusting people. They simply put their trust in the wrong person.
I am learning he has a history of this type of manipulation. Some are afraid of retaliation if they speak; some still believe his lies. The truth is starting to surface...if anyone out there has something to add, please contact Sheryl at torosenojados@gmail.com. It's time.
Sheryl Pomeroy Storey

[El Feo]

It's really a legal problem, but now that Franky has double crossed the Blairs maybe they will come clean and tell what really happened.

I was thinking of the problem why people don't get the word out on this guy, clearly it's a legal problem. I understand he 'manages' a variety of properties in Las conchas, those owners need to be aware of what's happening.

[Mentiras y Traición]

I just today posted some information on the Las Conchas HOA website. As more information comes in, we will update in every venue we can find. In the meantime, any questions can be e-mailed to me at the address in my previous post. Thanks for your input!
-Sheryl

[playaperro]

I just today posted some information on the Las Conchas HOA website. As more information comes in, we will update in every venue we can find. In the meantime, any questions can be e-mailed to me at the address in my previous post. Thanks for your input!
-Sheryl
That you for posting Sheryl, I have one question? What about the 9 lot's
he also has fenced off, He's told the court's that they were also given to him. He wants to settle for money with these people. Lot #264 built his house on one of the lots and did not have any issues I hope.
I wish you the best.

Playa

[playaperro]

I was thinking of the problem why people don't get the word out on this guy, clearly it's a legal problem. I understand he 'manages' a variety of properties in Las conchas, those owners need to be aware of what's happening.
I here you Feo, My brother put a camera in front of one of his rentals, they were washing all there stuff there, they would come every 30 min and put a load in. Hernandez also had trucks in the garage. He showed it to the owner and he was fired.
One time he showed up with hamblin at an hoa meeting asking for help that people were taking his land.

How about the desal. why would we want to pay $5000 to start this project. and pay $2000 a year for our water. Now we have to go back on city water for $300 a year to the city. I would really like to see how much money the guy made that thought up of this.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Suffice it to say that he apparently used the same documents to "transfer" the lots as he did to "transfer" the property the trust holds. A power of attorney that he used to "self-deal" which is apparently as illegal in Mexico as it is in the U.S. At this point, anyone who deals with him on the lots will take their chances for a just resolution along with the rest of us when the Mexican court makes its ruling.
He was "helping" us as our advisor, translator and (this makes my stomach turn) friend when he convinced mom that due to her illness, he needed that power of attorney to take care of her lots...he took care of them all right...and...it is my absolute belief that this behavior doesn't begin or end with our property. It now appears he has been planning this for a very long time...years in fact. Mom never "gave" him anything. Why would she?
-Sheryl

[El Feo]

I just today posted some information on the Las Conchas HOA website. As more information comes in, we will update in every venue we can find. In the meantime, any questions can be e-mailed to me at the address in my previous post. Thanks for your input!
-Sheryl

That's great. This issue need public exposure. Thanks from all land owners in Penasco.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Responses are already starting to come in. This individual did not want a name used in the post but the rest of the story is word for word.
-Sheryl

"Hi, my name is ******** and in 1998 we were looking at land in Penasco area. My parents were also, and they were originally interested in Las Conchas, but we both ended up buying out in Playa Miramar (by the Mayan). One time we had to stay over, so we were looking for a place to stay and the hotel- Playa Bonita was filled, so because they had previously stayed in Las Conchas, we went out there looking to rent a house. I think we met up with your guard, and I can’t remember how we met him, but he said we could rent a house (it was about 3 rows back), but we had to pay him the money and in cash. It seemed very sketchy to us, but we didn’t have a place to stay, and we all thought and bet he would just keep the money, and not tell the owner of the property. I am about 90 percent sure it was the man in the picture. I told my parents the only way I would have someone rent my house after that was if they directly paid me the money.
I hope you get your house back, and I feel terrible about your story".

[JimMcG]

....man in the picture'.

Where is the picture?

[Mentiras y Traición]

http://www.larrydlargefoundation.org/Hc_Francisco.htm

[rockyptjoe]

http://www.larrydlargefoundation.org/Hc_Francisco.htm

Interesting article.....makes him out to be a saint....compared to the rest of this thread which portrays him as a devil.....so...which is true????

[Mentiras y Traición]

I wrote the article that the Larry Large Foundation posted on behalf of our family. I also asked them to remove our endorsement once we discovered what was going on and the extent of his deception. They refused, citing the desire not to be involved...seems prevalent among certain types. One of the final straws was in January when we were down and he showed us the new tankless water heaters he had installed in the house. We told him we thought it unethical and just plain wrong to be spending that kind of money when he was taking donations from the Foundation for his medical treatment and that we would rather the funds go to that...he did remove them, but now we know why he was attempting to update the house...it was for him, not us.
If you read all the posts, you will begin to get an idea how he operates. You will also see where we discovered what he was doing. Documents now prove he has been planning this for years, yet he never alleged to my sister or myself that he owned our house. Turns out, he has been saying it to the community for a very long time. Turns out, there have been many complaints about the parties and events that go on at our house that we never heard about; apparently, he was intercepting? Instead, he waited until after our mother's death in 2002 to file questionable documents, and until March 2009, when he locked us out of our house, called the police, and had us hauled to jail, to assert anything to us regarding our home.
Now is his running around Las Conchas, showing all sorts of documents, making all sorts of allegations about our family. He tells people we abandoned our mother and he had to take care of her...please. You will see in earlier posts, my sister lived with my mom all her life and was her primary caregiver for several years before her death. His stories vary depending on his audience. He has a real talent for finding good, caring people and exploiting them. Our family is a prime example, and I am certain there are many others. Sad thing is that mom would have defended him up until the day she died. He hadn't done anything obvious until then except ingratiate himself with her. As I continue to say, my family was duped. My mom was a loving, caring, trusting person-she truly cared about Sr. Hernandez and he used that trust to deceive her and her family. My mom did nothing wrong except put her trust in the wrong person.

Saint or devil? You decide. This is a public forum, after all. I am just stating facts.

:arrow:Sheryl

[La Pequena Hermana]

We used to think the world of him until he stole our house...and now we are finding out more and more about who he really is. And it is not good.

[El Feo]

Go girls (ladies, chicas, females, women), Go!!!!

[Mentiras y Traición]

Thank you. Your words mean a lot to me and my sister (and our brother who suffered a debilitating stroke in 2002, same year Mom died-my sister took care of him, too). Some responses are not so comforting, especially when they try to intimidate us. Most, though, have been very kind. It helps us when we get tired and discouraged and feel we are on our own. Rock on, Rocky Point!!!!

[JimMcG]

I assume you are pursuing this in the Mexican courts without delay?

[Mentiras y Traición]

Yes, it is in litigation. But he is in violation of the judge's decision by renting it out and the police, the Association, and the judge all say its "not their job" to stop him.

So our liability skyrockets, he profits, and he goes around the community spreading falsehoods and showing questionable documents that he does not have the pelotas to show us.

This forum reaches many people, and the honest ones it reaches may stop and question his motives and actions before judging, unlike some of his friends and associates in the Las Conchas community. Believe it or not, some of our "NorteAmerican Neighbors" are actually assisting him. Some of them appear to be people we have never even met or spoken to, but they take his "word" for whatever their reasons are.

That said, there are still many wonderful people there who respond with care and take the time to get both sides of the situation before blindly following the herd. Thank you to all of them!!!

We will continue to seek out venues to get the word out..but for now, Section 2, Lot 308, commonly known as Casa de Shirley or the Blair House is being used for profit in direct violation of the judge's decision.

Sheryl:sad

[Mentiras y Traición]

The person that posted this on Rocky Point Exposed should contact me

Scamed by Francisco Says:
May 11th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Sheryl, could you post an update at Rockypointtalk.net.


Thanks, Sheryl

[Mentiras y Traición]

One more point, Rocky Point Joe, especially about the saint/devil thing...here is a man who has taken unknown amounts of money from the Larry Large Foundation, my family, and many others in the Las Conchas and Rocky Point communities for his "health care" all during a time frame that he now alleges to have "owned" a multi-million dollar parcel of property in Las Conchas.

He also "let" us pay the trust, taxes and other expenses all that time. Looks like he wants it both ways: a pauper with "no support system" as portrayed to the community when he needs free money, and a wealthy land-owner when he decides it's time.

Yet, there are still those who keep their heads in the sand so they can continue to consider him their "friend, or Mexican son" as our mother did to the detriment of her true wishes.

The more I learn, the more disgusted I become.:-?

[rockyptjoe]

One more point, Rocky Point Joe, especially about the saint/devil thing...here is a man who has taken unknown amounts of money from the Larry Large Foundation, my family, and many others in the Las Conchas and Rocky Point communities for his "health care" all during a time frame that he now alleges to have "owned" a multi-million dollar parcel of property in Las Conchas.

He also "let" us pay the trust, taxes and other expenses all that time. Looks like he wants it both ways: a pauper with "no support system" as portrayed to the community when he needs free money, and a wealthy land-owner when he decides it's time.

Yet, there are still those who keep their heads in the sand so they can continue to consider him their "friend, or Mexican son" as our mother did to the detriment of her true wishes.

The more I learn, the more disgusted I become.:-?

I'm not sure...but you may taken my post and question the wrong way!

I don't personally know the man....and I don't personally know your family. I try to not make a judgment about anyone unless I do know them personally.

My post was more a commentary on the extreme difference of what people were saying about the man and people's opinions about him.

[Roberto]

I don't personally know the man....and I don't personally know your family. I try to not make a judgment about anyone unless I do know them personally.


While everyone is entitled to do things their way, knowing someone personally is always helpful in understanding other's behavior but can you really ignore informatin from other sources? Think about Bernie Madhof, everyone that knew him personally thought he was the greatest guy. the legal system says he's a crook. Would you still invest money with Madhof (if you could) if your personal opinion was he is a good guy? The factual evidence is enough for me. Maybe that's what you are saying, that you haven't seen the evidence?

I personally have not seen the evidence either, but I have heard from enough people to lead me to believe this is not an honest person.

My post was more a commentary on the extreme difference of what people were saying about the man and people's opinions about him.

Again think of Madhof. The most successful swindlers are usually very charming and disarming and dishonest.

[Mentiras y Traición]

RPJ (now short for Rocky Point Joe). I do understand your line of thought. In fact, my family's posting on the Large Foundation website reflects the trust and belief we had in that man at the time. The day we found out what he is doing, I asked the Foundation to remove it-they refused. But that turns out to be a good thing, since it now helps substantiate what we are saying.

I would really like to be self-righteously angry at those who are supporting his position (and I didn't take from your post that you were one, only the same question I would have asked, too), but I have to stop myself and realize that we were in that position too, especially our Mom. But trusting him is what put her property in the precarious position that it is in now. She thought he was truthful and honest in their dealings, and now it appears that just wasn't the case.

I think if he really thought he had a case, he wouldn't have to go around the community telling people we abandoned our mother-and that he was forced to take care of her in our place (one of the reasons he gives for "deserving" the house). That is only one of the things he has done that caused us to take this public. We don't have the ability to live in Las Conchas, and personally defend every sickening allegation he makes, so this forum will do nicely. I think those who access this type of forum are not those who keep their heads in the sand, but those who seek information.

Every day, I am learning a little more of what he is willing to do to take our property, that is what I am so disgusted about...I completely understand the Bernie Madoff connection. That is why I chose the screen name Mentiras y Traicion. Lies and Betrayal.

So keep the questions coming...we will have our day in court, and in a way, so will our Mom.

Thanks,

-Sheryl

[rockyptjoe]

So keep the questions coming...we will have our day in court, and in a way, so will our Mom.

Thanks,

-Sheryl

Sheryl....I do hope you have your day in court.....however, from the little I know from other people's experience in Mexico, you have a long and hard battle, even though you are in the right!

Make sure you have a good attorney....and one that is actually an attorney! One of my friends (his wife is Mexican) and his neighbors (who are Mexican) are involved in some legal action involving their land. They just found out that the "attorney" who was representing them for some time was not actually an attorney......after each family paid about $3000 (USD) for the representation.

Right or wrong, I have absolutely no confidence in the Mexican justice system.....

[La Pequena Hermana]

We also have very little confidence in the legal system in Mexico,the only thing we can do is wait it out...and like Sheryl has said and is doing,to get the word out.It's all very sad. Mom would be very hurt and heartbroken!

[rockyptjoe]

He just hasn't pissed off the "right" people down there (or the wrong ones).....then he will be found buried out in the desert....

DISCLAIMER: I am not advocating violence!!!!

[playaperro]

I saw the thief parading around, these cars where there today with the white van blocking the entrance.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Nice pictures, Playa. So even though the judge said different, even though the house is in a trust, even though we built it and have been paying taxes for 40 years, he is doing whatever he pleases with OUR house. He only had to make an allegation, show a few questionable documents, apparently conspire with a couple of our Las Conchas neighbors, and BINGO...he is there after we terminated him...and calls the police on US....doesn't it make anyone just a little nervous? This matter is being litigated, but until a judge makes a decision, the house is still in OUR trust, we are still paying the bills...what's wrong with this picture - or should I say - these pictures? Oh, yea, WE are not in them.

[Bob Oso]

What exactly is the Las Conchas HOA stance on all this? Who do they show the legal property owner is?

[La Pequena Hermana]

:confused:Las Conchas HOA "Does not get involved in situations like this",however,
we are shown (and pay the fees!) as the homeownwer's.

[Mentiras y Traición]

This was the response to our posting on the Las Conchas HOA Website:

"Las Conchas does not interfer or get involved with the operation of any private property at any time. - Jean Steward, President of Las Conchas"




----- Original Message -----
From: "Hermanas para Justicia" <torosenojados@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:18:20 AM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona)
Subject: To all Las Conchas Property Owners and Interested Parties

To all Las Conchas Property Owners and Interested Parties:

Section 2, Lot 308, commonly known as Casa de Shirley or the Blair house, has been commandeered by the owner of our property management company, Francisco Hernandez. Sr. Hernandez took this action subsequent to our terminating his maintenance management company.

This property is now in litigation and should not be occupied by anyone. Accordingly, anyone occupying or assisting others to occupy the property may be subject to legal action.

If anyone has any information regarding this situation, or would like more information, please contact Sheryl Storey at torosenojados@gmail.com. Also see postings under the Real Estate Section @ Rocky Point Talk. Thank you.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Then there was this from me:

"Jean, if you remember correctly, you already told us that, while we were being hauled away to jail, which is one of the reasons we have to take it upon ourselves to let people know what is going on in their own community, right under their own noses.

Unfortunately, that seems to be a prevalent attitude, you know, the "it's not my job" unless you have a whole lot of money to throw at it thing. I sincerely hope that this type of situation never happens to you or any other property owner at Las Conchas, or in Rocky Point. But trying to sweep it under the rug or pretend it's only OUR problem isn't the answer either. In March, simply driving by our own property caused the LAS CONCHAS GUARDS to call the police and report us as a "suspicious vehicle" at Sr. Hernandez' request. This is notwithstanding the fact he knew it was us and was purposefully using the LAS CONCHAS GUARDS and the police to harrass and intimidate us. No wonder people are afraid to speak up....

Turning a blind eye to Sr. Hernandez' activities while he uses the Association's assets and attitude to further his cause is reprehensible. Apparently, the Homeowner's need to know they are on their own when it comes to anything other than paying dues. You have made your position clear, Jean, but for the record, and to add just a little bit of hope for us lowly homeowner's, please know that I have spoken to other Board Members who at least seem to sympathize with us.

Sheryl Storey"
-

[Roberto]

In March, simply driving by our own property caused the LAS CONCHAS GUARDS to call the police and report us as a "suspicious vehicle" at Sr. Hernandez' request.

Maybe we should make a point of driving by and looking at the house as often as possible? Maybe get someone to rent it, get a written contract, then have them refuse to move out! If he calls the police, have your legal papers available.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Roberto, I LIKE the way you think!

[Mentiras y Traición]

See my post under the section about helping the animals in Rocky Point.

[InkaRoads]

playaperro, no me estoy riendo de tu manera de escribir en castellano pero me parece gracioso como lo escribes foneticamente en ingles (aunque no todo) don't worry I have been learning english for the past 25 years and still learning!!

[Casa Alina]

Any Update?

[Mentiras y Traición]

Just more lies and deceptions being told around town by the ladron about my family since my mother is dead and can't defend her reputation...now he is slandering my sister.... Doesn't have any bearing on the property dispute...he just thinks it makes him more sympathetic. Once all his years of changing scenarios come together, it will be apparent how many people he has fooled. Funny how few have the cajones to ask us directly...must be a slow gossip season. His desperation is becoming more evident and I think it is his karma. The truth is here for anyone who cares to know it....what is your interest in this? I notice you are associated with several rental properties in Las Conchas?

[Roberto]

M y T
PM'd you a possibly useful e-mail list. Wondering if you were able to view it?
Roberto

[Mentiras y Traición]

Nothing in my in box...try torosenojados@gmail.com?

[Mentiras y Traición]

Well, folks, the Las Conchas Homeowner's website has removed our post about our maintenance man, Francisco Hernandez, seizing our house. Do they not think the community has a right to know what is going on? How many of you still want to know what is going on?

I have posted the rules they post for content on the Community Message Board. Do you think the truth violates any of these rules, or is something else in play here? Are the rumor mongers winning? So far, they have us "abandoning" our mom according to Francisco to the extent he had to take care of her, past Los Conchas presidents have been heard to say they know our mother's "wishes", yet won't respond to our questions as to how they "know" that, that my sister is incompetent, and so on.

I'm sick and tired of the attacks on my sister and our family. For those cowards spreading the rumor that I have taken over for my sister because she is incompetent, please know the truth. I have taken over for her because she is a wonderful, trusting, giving individual and she realizes that the ladron used those traits against her. I, on the other hand, am none of those things, and have no problem defending my family from these thieves and cowards. The truth will free my sister from her heartbreak, identify those who are conspiring with the ladron, and remove the tarnish from my mother's name...and for you cowards who can only spread the drivel fed to you by the ladron, who don't have the courage to back up your words in person...go talk to my mom at her final resting place and tell her why. Her ashes are scattered at her house in Las Conchas where she waits for justice

If you see Robert's recent post in the Real Estate section, you will see that it continues. The only way for the truth to come out is if we refuse to be intimidated by these kind of people.

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[Mentiras y Traición]

Yeah, the things blow away in the wind then the owners who are seldom here find out there's a problem after a couple of years of not paying. All owners who are not here almost full time need a good management person to keep track and pay obligations. Unfortunately the door is opened to people like this Hernandez guy.

BINGO! We have discovered that for years, we were not getting any mail that came to our Las Conchas address. AND Las Conchas had the state wrong for my Mom and sister's address. Wonder who made that change??? In 2005, we discovered bills he was supposed to be paying were delinquent. He tried the "don't worry, I'll take care of it", but we took care of it ourselves. Apparently, even then he was ripe to step in and claim ownership. He blamed it on his health. Hey, think he really has a new kidney or is that part of the game???

[Mentiras y Traición]

BINGO! We have discovered that for years, we were not getting any mail that came to our Las Conchas address. AND Las Conchas had the state wrong for my Mom and sister's address. Wonder who made that change??? In 2005, we discovered bills he was supposed to be paying were delinquent. He tried the "don't worry, I'll take care of it", but we took care of it ourselves. Apparently, even then he was ripe to step in and claim ownership. He blamed it on his health. Hey, think he really has a new kidney or is that part of the game???

Folks, if there is ANYTHING you are taking away from all this, let it be to verify verify verify! NEVER trust someone else with your valuables: Family, property, reputation, utilities, taxes, FEDERAL ZONE!!!! Never, never, never give that kind of control to anyone, no matter how many times they tell you, "you are like my mother, I am your Mexican son." Its nothing but opportunity for those who will betray you....

[JimMcG]

Good advice for all situations everywhere!

[rikyt]

I am surprised that the HOA has not tried to help you. If your not in the click, your on your own with HOA'S. Iike I have always said "HOA'S suck!!!"

[Mentiras y Traición]

Just reviewing the "new" Las Conchas website. They proudly announce their guards ability to stop the theft of household appliances, 20" tv's, and a BLENDER but they deleted our post about our entire house being stolen!
At least this forum allows for the truth, controversial or not, and we are not muzzled unless we get really nasty with each other. Where's the love??? Woodstock, Rosie?? I thought you looked familiar...were you the one who ran off with my doobie???

[playaperro]

Thanks for sharing your pics Sheryl and Linda, I really enjoyed them.

Also, for the update, on the progress of your case, Kind of ironic that he

has to hide in the town he claims to own....Karma

[Mentiras y Traición]

Just heard that Las Conchas Homeowner's Association has some of Hernandez' employees working for them around the office, cleaning or whatever???

Doesn't that put some of the Association's records in jeopardy???

Like they may disappear or be changed. Don't want what is happening to us to happen to others....

Can someone out there verify this????

[Mentiras y Traición]

Just heard that Las Conchas Homeowner's Association has some of Hernandez' employees working for them around the office, cleaning or whatever???

Doesn't that put some of the Association's records in jeopardy???

Like they may disappear or be changed. Don't want what is happening to us to happen to others....

Can someone out there verify this????

I just found out that this is true. No wonder he does such a good job of evading service of process....

Las Conchas...owned and operated by Francisco Hernandez....what a shame.

[cheatka]

Thats all I'm saying, no one but the people involved knows the WHOLE story.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Thats all I'm saying, no one but the people involved knows the WHOLE story.

So, share, he won't.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Thats all I'm saying, no one but the people involved knows the WHOLE story.

He has had ample time to tell his side...its all filed with the court...he just can't keep his lies straight.

[La Pequena Hermana]

Can't get more involved than we are!

[fatboyharley]

one of the problems with a thread such as this is that we only get one side and then not all of the facts are not fully disclosed. I do not know either party but I do know that historical facts are being left out from both sides of the story. This issue is best left up to the courts now.

[Mentiras y Traición]

one of the problems with a thread such as this is that we only get one side and then not all of the facts are not fully disclosed. I do not know either party but I do know that historical facts are being left out from both sides of the story. This issue is best left up to the courts now.

Why don't you share those historical facts, Fatboy. If there are relevant to this matter, let's hear them. This is a public forum. All our statement are verifiable. Your post insinuates that we are hiding something by not fully disclosing all the facts?

And since the ladron has never responded in public - only in court filings - how can you say there are "facts being left out from both sides" if your position is you know none of us?

I would be happy to meet you personally next time I am in Penasco, in fact, lets call a town meeting! Maybe Rosie can provide the forum.

[rikyt]

I think Fat boy would be singing a different tune if it was his home on the line. Isn't Fat boy heavily involved in the Las Conchas HOA?

[Mentiras y Traición]

I think Fat boy would be singing a different tune if it was his home on the line. Isn't Fat boy heavily involved in the Las Conchas HOA?

Don't know who he is.

At least when my sister and I speak, you KNOW who we are. Our choice, I know...but hiding things and dividing and conquering is what helped us get in this position.

We take full responsibility for trusting and not verifying for too many years, and we know we "let" it happen with our naivete, but that doesn't mean we have to accept it. We will tell our sad, pathetic story and accept our responsibility in it, but its not the story he tells. If he is counting on us being embarrassed that we were so naive, ok, we are and we were. But we are not going to run and hide...our Mom didn't raise us that way.

That's sorta like saying the victim deserved it because she was dressed inappropriately or in the wrong place at the wrong time, or picked the wrong friends. We certainly picked the wrong friend in this case.

[playaperro]

one of the problems with a thread such as this is that we only get one side and then not all of the facts are not fully disclosed. I do not know either party but I do know that historical facts are being left out from both sides of the story. This issue is best left up to the courts now.
The only person having a problem with this tread is you and we know your history!!! Where are you getting your facts that are not being disclosed? You claim not to know this ladron but I seen his blue truck parked in front of your house. Maybe you were not home. This is a major
issue.....

[Mentiras y Traición]

The only person having a problem with this tread is you and we know your history!!! Where are you getting your facts that are not being disclosed? You claim not to know this ladron but I seen his blue truck parked in front of your house. Maybe you were not home. This is a major
issue.....

Ooooh! "POP" goes the credibility?

[fatboyharley]

I hate to disagree with you since you appear to know all but..... I do not know you, nor the gentlleman in question . If you think you know the location of my home, then please tell me the name it goes by. If you are correct I will acknowledge it. This gentleman you are having the issues with, I would not know if I tripped over him in the street.

[fatboyharley]

No response to my reply? Can't name my house can you? Do you still recall seeing the "blue truck " parked in front of it? Watch what you say and what you think you know. It is hard to back pedal on a bike.

[Mentiras y Traición]

one of the problems with a thread such as this is that we only get one side and then not all of the facts are not fully disclosed. I do not know either party but I do know that historical facts are being left out from both sides of the story. This issue is best left up to the courts now.

How about replying to this? Where are the historical facts that are being left out from both sides? Are you backpedaling on this?

[playaperro]

No response to my reply? Can't name my house can you? Do you still recall seeing the "blue truck " parked in front of it? Watch what you say and what you think you know. It is hard to back pedal on a bike.
Fair enough fatboy, I will play fair with you, if I am wrong I will fess up to it, I don't know the names of most houses. Maybe if I was down in Las Conchas......

[playaperro]

See you around fatboy going to play on line poker today @ full tilt poker
look for me playa perro.

Maybe we can talk about the de sal project. you know what I meam..........

[fatboyharley]

now you really are off base!! I have only been in RP and in LC for three years. I have never had any involvement in the de sal project. I have no involvement in the board either. You have speculated who I am and you are wrong.

[Mentiras y Traición]

now you really are off base!! I have only been in RP and in LC for three years. I have never had any involvement in the de sal project. I have no involvement in the board either. You have speculated who I am and you are wrong.

Still no reply regarding your inital post and all the "historical disclosures" you say you have. Funny how you chide Playa for not replying, yet you do the same.

Trying to divert the subject?

[fatboyharley]

Facts are always left out from both sides of all stories or claims It is part of the childhood game of whispering into you neighbors ear and by the end of the line the story has changed, facts are missing That is why there are coursts, judges and lawyers to help make sense of all that is being said

[Mentiras y Traición]

Originally Posted by fatboyharley
"I do not know either party but I do know that historical facts are being left out from both sides of the story"

So you are backtracking on THIS statement and generalizing? Just want to get YOUR story straight...if that is possible now.

[PitiquitoRosy]

[QUOTE=Mentiras y Traición;8436]We take full responsibility for trusting and not verifying for too many years, and we know we "let" it happen with our naivete, but that doesn't mean we have to accept it. We will tell our sad, pathetic story and accept our responsibility in it, but its not the story he tells. If he is counting on us being embarrassed that we were so naive, ok, we are and we were. But we are not going to run and hide...our Mom didn't raise us that way.[QUOTE]

I'm living proof that even a strong smart person can get cheated. I suspect the greatest trait that puts us at risk is not necessarily naivete, but rather a comfort zone that isn't based on our material belongings. We tend to forget what others are willing to sacrifice for a material gain. Self-esteem, reputation and even long-time friends can be considered collateral losses to someone who only sees the material.

I'm sorry you girls got screwed in this deal and am glad you're fighting back. The people who support your ladron may live to regret it. Once a thief, always a thief...and catchphrase notwithstanding, there is no honor among thieves.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Rosie, thanks for the words. My Mom was a very strong woman...strong of heart-she loved unconditionally. My sister is just like her which is why they both trusted with their whole hearts. Which is also why my sister's is in a thousand pieces now, and Mom's would be also.

I will continue to do what I know my Mom would want, which is expose the lies, and fight those who have betrayed them. Those who say they knew my Mom's wishes...tell me what she would have done to the ladron if he tried this while she was alive.
The coward waited till she, her brother, and her husband died to unveil his deceit. Thought there would be no one left to fight him. Think again.

[JimMcG]

Rosie, thanks for the words. My Mom was a very strong woman...strong of heart-she loved unconditionally. My sister is just like her which is why they both trusted with their whole hearts. Which is also why my sister's is in a thousand pieces now, and Mom's would be also.

I will continue to do what I know my Mom would want, which is expose the lies, and fight those who have betrayed them. Those who say they knew my Mom's wishes...tell me what she would have done to the ladron if he tried this while she was alive.
The coward waited till she, her brother, and her husband died to unveil his deceit. Thought there would be no one left to fight him. Think again.

No worries MT. Everybody gets theirs.

[La Pequena Hermana]

Thanks for the boost, McG.
It was not until late 2008 when I told Sr. Hernandez that we may need to sell the house to help take care of our brother,( He had a massive stroke 2 months after our mom died ) that Sr. Hernandez made his move and started showing me his true colors.(My sister is a lot smarter and could read him a lot sooner!)
It's funny how we(me telling my sister we should) help Fco as much as we could with his illness and when I talked about helping my brother,,,this is what we got.
Yes, lies and betrayal. The more I learn, the sicker I get!
Linda

[La Pequena Hermana]

P.S.
Our brother,Jim, is doing well thanks to the love and care he recieves from his family.
It's tough but as my nephew say's "It's all good".

[Mentiras y Traición]

one of the problems with a thread such as this is that we only get one side and then not all of the facts are not fully disclosed. I do not know either party but I do know that historical facts are being left out from both sides of the story. This issue is best left up to the courts now.

HELLO??? Anybody there? Nothing like having the courage of your convictions...or the ability to back up your words...

[cheatka]

You need to just let it go and do your fighting in court and stop attacking everyone on the board that doesn't necessarily agree with you. You have your side, he has his side and everyone else has an opinion based on what they've heard or how they feel in their heart. You're not going to change anyone's mind by attacking them or making accusations about them that you just throw out there and have no truth to them. Makes the rest of us wonder, Who's telling the truth if there are lies thrown in about random stuff?

[rikyt]

Doesn't make me wonder and who is the rest of us?
I would be raising more hell than this if it were my home. Who are you to criticize? What have you lost in this ordeal?

[Mentiras y Traición]

You need to just let it go and do your fighting in court and stop attacking everyone on the board that doesn't necessarily agree with you.


Oh, Kathy, its been a long time since anyone told me what I "need to do." Our fight is in court, he made it public in Penasco with his lies about my family. So, who on the "board" feels that I am attacking them? That wouldn't be the Las Conchas board, would it? I have only been in contact with the President.

"You have your side, he has his side and everyone else has an opinion based on what they've heard or how they feel in their heart."

He has his side (many of them depending on his audience), we have the truth. His stories vary depending on his audience, ours never changes - truth never does. What an intelligent way to develop an opinion - what you have heard or what you feel in your heart.


"You're not going to change anyone's mind by attacking them or making accusations about them that you just throw out there and have no truth to them."


Just like Fatboy, I will ask you to explain your statements while knowing full well that you can't. Who have I attacked and where have I lied? And just to be clear, are you calling me a liar?


"Makes the rest of us wonder, Who's telling the truth if there are lies thrown in about random stuff?"


Random stuff? As I have stated over and over again on this forum, just ask. Someone like you, who makes judgments based on what they have heard or what their heart tells them, will never seek the truth. It just won't make you feel so important.


Tell me, Kathy, are you someone who rents our house from Hernandez even though he is violating a judge's order. Is that why you are so supportive?

Step up and defend your statments, Fatboy clone...if you can.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Doesn't make me wonder and who is the rest of us?
I would be raising more hell than this if it were my home. Who are you to criticize? What have you lost in this ordeal?


Thanks, rikyt.

[fatboyharley]

No one is criticizing. Just tired of your worn out campaign.

[Mentiras y Traición]

No one is criticizing. Just tired of your worn out campaign.

Way to cop out.

[Mentiras y Traición]

No one is criticizing. Just tired of your worn out campaign.


And don't pick on rickyt just to change the focus. You STILL can't support your statements. Says more about you than anything. Can you say "bawk bawk bawk?"

[fatboyharley]

The comment was pointed to you and your campaign. Got to court, have your day and get on The negative attitude is why support for the campaign is lacking.

[Parrothead]

The comment was pointed to you and your campaign. Got to court, have your day and get on The negative attitude is why support for the campaign is lacking.

Fatboy and Cheatka,
Some how the names are so fitting are they not, especially Cheat ka,
Either you two have never lost anything in your lives, or you are so used to cheating others, that you think this is something that she should just forget about and wait for her day in court. Either way, if you don't like what you read, don't read it and just go away.
I don't know any of those involved or the property that is mentioned, but it is her right to tell it like she sees it, if you don't like reading about it, then don't.
But I don't think you have any right to tell anyone on here what to write or how often.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Fatboy and Cheatka,
Some how the names are so fitting are they not, especially Cheat ka,
Either you two have never lost anything in your lives, or you are so used to cheating others, that you think this is something that she should just forget about and wait for her day in court. Either way, if you don't like what you read, don't read it and just go away.
I don't know any of those involved or the property that is mentioned, but it is her right to tell it like she sees it, if you don't like reading about it, then don't.
But I don't think you have any right to tell anyone on here what to write or how often.

Thank you, too, Parrothead!

[Mentiras y Traición]

The comment was pointed to you and your campaign. Got to court, have your day and get on The negative attitude is why support for the campaign is lacking.

Fatboy, this is a negative situation. The truth of this situation is negative, I can't help that negative things were done to my family, but I will never let his lies go unanswered. If you see defending your family and legacy as negative, I feel very sorry for you. So keep your head in the sand, but remember, you still have not supported your earlier statements. If there is anyone on this forum who is spreading untruths with nothing to back it up, it is you and cheatka. It does not go unnoticed that you both make statements about my family and situation, and refuse to support them with anything.

Hope nothing like this ever happens to you or anyone you love. They wouldn't stand a chance if you were their only hope.

And I say this, negative as it may sound: I don't quit on my family. Even if this situation does not get resolved to our benefit, the players will be well known. There are others who appreciate the information they have received so that they won't make the same mistakes we did...why you - who "say" you don't know the parties, especially me, my sister and brother think you can judge us is beyone my comprehension. But never think your lies and innuendo will go unanswered.

EVER GONNA DEFEND YOUR WORDS? You can't, can you?

[PitiquitoRosy]

I also think the girls are doing a good thing here. FBH, forgive my cynicism, but Las Conchas is a small enough community that it isn't likely you never met the man in question, who isn't exactly what one would call a low-profile person. Also, this forum is rife with opinions and topics that run the gamut from negative to heartwarming...why did this one strike a nerve with you? Hmm...

Now, why do I think the girls are doing a good thing? Because fighting injustice and villany is ALWAYS a good and heroic thing to do. Standing in the street in broad daylight and calling bull**** is a noble act. And standing up for oneself and one's family takes conviction.

Sheryl...you get the Jimmy Stewart award for the day!

[jerry]

Right on Girls...when many of us started calling bull**** on the condo scams in RP (AZbeachboy and his band of rightwingers included) many of the real estate boosters tried to mess with us in all kinds of ways. I would worry about my safety a bit if I were you.Don't meet any of the players in a non public place.Change your patterns etc. because big money causes big mistakes and if it starts going your way really look out!
On JimmyStewart, He sure did miss the Hurricane forecast.He never admitted what danger his bad call put people in South of the border.

[anitacoffee]

Fatboy and Cheatka,
Some how the names are so fitting are they not, especially Cheat ka,
.

Whoa, personal attacks based on screen names! Don't people choose screen names because the name is personal to them not necesarily their personality.

If you want to start judging people on screen names I can look at parrothead and think to myself..hmmm parrotheads can only repeat what they hear-
Is this how I judge the person behind a screen name?
NO, of course not!!!!!!!!!!

A sad thread that hopefully will resolve satisfactorily with ones day in court.

I need a coffee,

Anitacoffee
(seriously, pick on me because of my name).

[Mentiras y Traición]

Right on Girls...when many of us started calling bull**** on the condo scams in RP (AZbeachboy and his band of rightwingers included) many of the real estate boosters tried to mess with us in all kinds of ways. I would worry about my safety a bit if I were you.Don't meet any of the players in a non public place.Change your patterns etc. because big money causes big mistakes and if it starts going your way really look out!
On JimmyStewart, He sure did miss the Hurricane forecast.He never admitted what danger his bad call put people in South of the border.

Jerry, this is far from a condo scam. We have never had that particular problem. But people who scam others should be uncovered and publicized. How else do we stop it.

The only person who is trying to mess with us is Hernandez by locking us out of our house and having us hauled to jail assisted by his cronies in the PD and Las Conchas. Then by calling the Las Conchas guard house and reporting us as a suspicious vehicle, having the PD pull us over and harrass us. This is a betrayal of trust of a long standing relationship. We had the land appraised in 2005 - he obviously got pretty excited. Yea, big money changes everything but we are not the only ones who should worry. There are one or two that have "threatened" what might happen if we continue, but so what. He is the first person they would look at, and then his friends.

Our house is in a trust, with a beneficiary. If our house can be taken over like this, any propery in a trust can be vunerable. He simply told the police that night our house was his. We had a copy of our trust; we still went to jail.

Yes, he does have a reputation frightens people, yes he brags about his contacts in the PD and the political arena, and yes, it appears he has the support of some of the Las Conchas board allegedly because of those contacts...who cares? Anyone with property in a trust or anyone who makes a living selling property in Mexico should be watching this very carefully. It will set a precedent one way or the other. Either your property is safe in a trust, or it's not...I guess the court will decide.

I am not a fear monger but anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see where this will go. Yet people like cheatka and fatboyharley sit in judgment of us. Personally, I think his supporters somehow benefit from him and his "favors", you know, the type that sell their souls for a pull out of the sand or a bag of tamales, or help in sneaking contraband across the border? How do you repay him for bailing a family member out of jail? Tell people you know something you don't? As long as he perpetuates his lies, we will find a forum to dispute them.

Thanks for the support, Jerry. Hope we never have to return the favor - which means you will never be in this situation. But if so,call us.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Whoa, personal attacks based on screen names! Don't people choose screen names because the name is personal to them not necesarily their personality.

If you want to start judging people on screen names I can look at parrothead and think to myself..hmmm parrotheads can only repeat what they hear-
Is this how I judge the person behind a screen name?
NO, of course not!!!!!!!!!!

A sad thread that hopefully will resolve atisfactorily with ones day in court.

I need a coffee,

Anitacoffee
(seriously, pick on me because of my name).


If you read Fatboy and Cheatka's posts, you will see that they spew their own brand of attacks and then self-rightously refuse to defend them. They both have made libelous allegations that they refuse to explain. Making fun of someone's name is a whole lot less serious than libel. I may change my name to Ineedatequila!

And if you read their posts carefully, you will see that they both carry that parrot characteristic. They admit to repeating what they hear and having no first-hand knowledge to back it up.

Sheryl aka Anitatequila, with lime and salt!

[cheatka]

Fatboy and Cheatka,
Some how the names are so fitting are they not, especially Cheat ka,
Either you two have never lost anything in your lives, or you are so used to cheating others, that you think this is something that she should just forget about and wait for her day in court. Either way, if you don't like what you read, don't read it and just go away.
I don't know any of those involved or the property that is mentioned, but it is her right to tell it like she sees it, if you don't like reading about it, then don't.
But I don't think you have any right to tell anyone on here what to write or how often.


Wow, Lets see, Parrothead!! What does that tell me?? Hmm, must be all smoked up on dope? You think you're hip?? You can only repeat things that you hear?

[cheatka]

amen

[cheatka]

You need paxill or something similar!!! You jump on the bandwagon against anyone that doesn't jump in and tell you how right you are!!~ I don't know the story, I hear your side but don't hear the other side, am I supposed to believe everything you say just because you're saying it? No, I don't think so!! I try not to believe everything I hear, thats why I didn't vote for Obama (wasn't much of a choice either). Maybe your mom had a more recent will that you don't know about? You just need to settle down and quit attacking everyone.

[jerry]

Thanks for the support, Jerry. Hope we never have to return the favor - which means you will never be in this situation. But if so,call us.[/QUOTE]

No problem. have some friends that are in a bad deal near Puerto Lobos and I worry about there safety I'm sure it's not as risky in RP.
Doing business(sometimes poorly) for 32 years in Tucson and South Tucson i have found that you might have some luck if you have some local allies. Say a local official has a football team he works with..if you got him some balls and uniforms/even snacks might be nice.Same goes for a parish priest (that really works in South Tucson because all of them should be worried about the afterlife!) Don't mention your problem for months just help out in some way...hey it's worked for me going against a big money guy from the foothills with powerful friends and lawyers.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Wow, Lets see, Parrothead!! What does that tell me?? Hmm, must be all smoked up on dope? You think you're hip?? You can only repeat things that you hear?


Have you not read your own posts? That is your modus operandi, not Parrothead's. What are YOU smoking?

[Mentiras y Traición]

You need paxill or something similar!!! You jump on the bandwagon against anyone that doesn't jump in and tell you how right you are!!~ I don't know the story, I hear your side but don't hear the other side, am I supposed to believe everything you say just because you're saying it? No, I don't think so!! I try not to believe everything I hear, thats why I didn't vote for Obama (wasn't much of a choice either). Maybe your mom had a more recent will that you don't know about? You just need to settle down and quit attacking everyone.

Again, and TRY to pay attention this time. Who am I attacking? Who are you to butt in and say you know something you don't. In need of a little attention? Drugs may be your answer, but they are not mine. A will has no effect on property in a trust...do your homework before you speak...you are just embarassing yourself, Kathy. I jump on the bandwagon with people who are telling tales they know nothing about...like you. Maybe you are a good little girl who only does what others think they should. Too bad for you. You don't hear the other side because there isn't one. I do believe you are the one who attacked me...not enough going on in your own life?

[Mentiras y Traición]

"I do not know either party but I do know that historical facts are being left out from both sides of the story."

Still waiting, Fatboy.

[Mentiras y Traición]

And least I forget, Parrothead, you have earned yourself a cheeseburger in paradise!

[Parrothead]

And least I forget, Parrothead, you have earned yourself a cheeseburger in paradise!

Thank you, I will continue to follow this sad story and hope that it comes out in your favor.
As stated previously, I don't know you, your property or the person who stole your property, but I have no problem understanding that this can happen, while I love Puerto Penasco and many people who live there, I also know there are those who would take advantage of a trusting person, to benefit themselves.
Again much luck and don't give up the fight..

[Mentiras y Traición]

Thank you, I will continue to follow this sad story and hope that it comes out in your favor.
As stated previously, I don't know you, your property or the person who stole your property, but I have no problem understanding that this can happen, while I love Puerto Penasco and many people who live there, I also know there are those who would take advantage of a trusting person, to benefit themselves.
Again much luck and don't give up the fight..

See Fatboy Y Cheatka. Parrothead admits he doesn't know the parties, but he doesn't assume and attack. Take some lessons in classy behavior.

You two apparently have some interest in this to come across as you do. Go see the court file...there is no will, Cheatka-why would you mention that...that's just another one of his stories he is spreading around. Are you sure you have never met him? Funny how he never mentioned it at all while we were paying for the house and his medical expenses, now just shows some sort of "document" to trick people...with some, it is apparently extremely easy. Check the mirror. You two don't like that I fight for my family. Says a lot more about you than it does about me. Lo siento!

[cheatka]

She's flipped out and bizarre isn't she? I don't believe either of us has attacked her, just didn't jump in on her bandwagon and that just pisses her off. I think we could sue her for libel since she seems to "assume" where she's seen the blue truck and is making remarks about my integrity because of my call name. Also, why does she keep calling me Kathy? hmm

[Mentiras y Traición]

She's flipped out and bizarre isn't she? I don't believe either of us has attacked her, just didn't jump in on her bandwagon and that just pisses her off. I think we could sue her for libel since she seems to "assume" where she's seen the blue truck and is making remarks about my integrity because of my call name. Also, why does she keep calling me Kathy? hmm

You assume (you know what that does to your credibility, Fatboy clone) that you know me. How stupid. I have never made any remark about any blue truck, again, get your facts straight...if you can. I never made remarks about your name...but your posts do seem to indicate a complete lack of intelligence...you can read, right? You are attributing statments to me that I never made. As for the threat of a lawsuit, bring it on; counter suits are fun too! You have put your foot in your mouth so many times it's laughable. And yes, I am flipped out and bizarre, and very happy with myself as such. You apparently are not. How sad for you. Just using that name to disguise your true identity? Some would call that cowardly. You can spew ignorance and not have any accountability? Your choice who you are, and thanks for letting me know so publicly.

[fasteddy]

Wow!
Can't believe I read this whole thread, that being said THANK YOU Sheryl
for the info. I don't own in your area but I do have friends there and will ask/warn them about what has happened to you. I'm not sure why a few people would want you not to disclose any of your info. worst case scenario is we all verify/learn things a little more in our dealings with so called friends.
Good luck to you and your sister i hope everything works out for you

Ed

[rikyt]

Hey Cheatca,
That is the funniest thing I have ever read! Sue because somebody they called a Blog name something you think is offensive or not true. That is real funny. Put your real name down and lets start the name calling. I will even get in on that! What a sad person you are.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Wow!
Can't believe I read this whole thread, that being said THANK YOU Sheryl
for the info. I don't own in your area but I do have friends there and will ask/warn them about what has happened to you. I'm not sure why a few people would want you not to disclose any of your info. worst case scenario is we all verify/learn things a little more in our dealings with so called friends.
Good luck to you and your sister i hope everything works out for you

Ed

Ed:

My personal belief is that these people are somehow involved with Hernandez or certain member(s) of the HOA. He is VERY good at reading people and telling them what they want to hear. It certainly worked with us. So far, in the 40 years we have known him, according to him, he was adopted, never been married, adopted his daughter that is about 7 or 8 right now from a prostitute in Caborca or Hermosillo, has no family. The night he had us taken to jail, he introduced the woman with him as his "spouse." We had never met her or knew of her existence. Neither had our mother. He has told people we "abandoned" our mother and he had to take care of her...my sister lived with my mother all her life and took care of her 24/7 for several years when she became ill. Now we are hearing, allegedly from him, that we "walked away" from our property...for all these reasons some people believe he is now entitled to our property? All the above are lies. But talk to the people you know, but remember to ask them if what they heard is different, if they verified what they heard. Too many stories of his to go into, but the only way to learn the truth is to keep asking. I tell people to go review the court file...see what he has put there. Talk to him, ask him...but those two just hopped on here and started calling us liars....shame on them. Sorry for the mini-book, here. He has a voice in Las Conchas and Penasco...and he is using it to disparage us. The only way we can answer right now is this forum. By the way, he now supposedly has many children, a wife, brothers and sisters in Penasco...all the support he supposedly didn't have while soliciting funds from the Larry Large Foundation and friends and relatives. Wonder if he even knows the truth anymore.

Sheryl

[Mentiras y Traición]

Anonymous said...
Sorry, La Huerita, to disagree. We have property in a trust with a beneficiary added to it in 1988. Now our Mexican caretaker says (but has never shown) that he has a later will giving it to him. Guess who is living in it, renting it out, but not paying any of the expenses while we pay thru the nose for an attorney? The caretaker. Never had to show or verify a thing. So, no, having a bank trust guarantees nothing.
September 28, 2009 10:50 AM
Anonymous said...
Oh, and I forgot. Since it will be a Mexican judge in a Mexican court making the final decision as to who the property will go to, YES, it will be the Mexican government who takes our property if that is how it is decided.
September 28, 2009 10:54 AM


From Rocky Point Tides:

Yes You CAN Own Real Estate in Mexico!



Myth: Foreigners cannot own real estate in Mexico, and the Government can seize foreigners' property at any time.

Fact: Yes, foreigners CAN own property in Mexico. No, the government cannot seize it at any time.

Put simply, here are the basics on how the real estate system in Mexico works for foreigners, especially in border areas and along the coast in places like Rocky Point.

In the interior of Mexico foreigners can own property outright, with a deed and everything, just as they can in their own country. However, property located within 50 kilometers (about 31 miles) of the Mexican coastline or 100 kilometers (about 62 miles) of a national border falls within the "restricted zone", where the Mexican Constitution forbids fee simple ownership by foreigners. You can also "own" property there, but the process is a little different.

The difference is due to the Mexican government's need to protect its borders and coastlines, a matter of national security that at one time prohibited foreign ownership in those areas. In 1996, with an eye toward increasing tourism and raising new revenue streams, a new law was passed (back-dooring the Constitutional prohibition) that allowed foreign ownership of land in the restricted zones, but with a twist.

When you purchase real estate in those restricted zones, what you get is irrevocable and absolute ownership rights to property through a 50-year perpetually renewable and transferable Bank Trust called a Fideicomiso (Fee-day-co-meeso). This Trust is a legal substitute for deeded ownership and is provided specifically for foreigners to own property in the restricted zones. The Trust system of ownership is sanctioned by the Mexican government, provided for under the Mexican Constitution, and secured by the Central Bank of Mexico. This is NOT a lease, but actual ownership held in trust.

Title of the property is delivered to an authorized Mexican Bank which acts as the Trustee, designating the foreign buyer as the Beneficiary of the Trust (that's you). The Bank acts like an "employee" of the Beneficiary (you) in transactions involving the property. The Beneficiary (you) retains the use and control of the property and makes all the investment decisions. The rights of use and enjoyment, leasing, improving, mortgaging, selling, inheriting and willing the property is the same as when owned in fee simple title. It is your Trust and not the property of the Government or the Bank. Neither the Government nor the Bank can do anything with the property without your consent and/or instructions.

A sale becomes registered when it is witnessed and recorded through a Notorio Publico, a classification that is more like a specialized lawyer than the notary public you may be familiar with in the USA. From there, title passes to the designated Bank to be held in the Fideicomiso.

The Bank reviews all paperwork of the current owner/developer to make sure the documents are complete and legal. Until the Bank is satisfied with all the documents, it will not issue a Fideicomiso. What happens if the Bank holding your trust goes out of business, is purchased by an unauthorized Bank, etc.? Your Fideicomiso will be transferred to another authorized Bank. Again, the Bank does not own the Fideicomiso, you do!

Unless a problem occurs because of fraud or misrepresentation, the Fideicomiso cannot be compromised.

Note that even if the trust expires, the beneficiary does NOT lose all rights and benefits of the sale of the property held in trust. The beneficiary has a contractual right under the trust agreement to all benefits that might result from the use or sale of that property, even though he doesn't hold title to the property. Under Mexican Law, the bank administering the trust has a fiduciary obligation to respect the rights of the beneficiary.

One last word in this brief explanation: It's a good idea for potential real estate buyers to have all real estate transactions looked over by a licensed Mexican attorney. An additional caveat: I am not one of those attorneys. Though tens of thousands of foreigners have owned real estate, without problems, for many years throughout Mexico, the possibility of fraud always exists (as is also true in the USA and other countries).

In future columns I'll explain things in more detail, including ways to protect yourself from fraud, how your Mexican immigration status changes once you purchase real estate, what documentation you need, your legal obligations as a "land owner" (including tax obligations), etc.

But for now, in a nutshell, this will do as a starter. Yes you CAN own real estate in Mexico!

[Mentiras y Traición]

Grim posted this in Rants and Raves, but I think its also applicable here. This is one of the reasons the ladron has to lie so much.


"How can a man attack people using lies, and still have the audacity to claim the high road?

You know how to tell the difference between a person that embraces true and legitimate beliefs, and a person who embraces phony and flawed ones? Legitimate beliefs stand on their own merits, and require nothing but honesty... while people who embrace phony or flawed beliefs, need to use lies and distortions to achieve their legitimacy."

[Margarita]

It is a scary thought that a bank trust may not really protect you. I have a home in Las Conchas near the Blair house. I have heard stories about Francisco for over 15 years and know firsthand that he rents peoples houses without permission and pockets the money. He also told me, to my face, that he is still driving the "old blue truck" so that people will "think I am poor and keep helping me". I actually thought that the Blair house was his for quite some time, as that was what he was telling everyone in Las Conchas. I also know that he used peoples garages to store cars that had been "given to him", but were unlicensed, and that he has had numerous parties for Federales and other officials at the Blair house through the years. As a matter of fact, there was a wedding at the house just 3 weeks ago.

Keep fighting, girls, and I hope that this time "the good guy wins"!

[La Pequena Hermana]

Thank-you!
We will keep on fighting.
The more we hear and can find out helps a lot also.
Names like "Hotel Hell" does'nt sit very well...

[Mentiras y Traición]

It is a scary thought that a bank trust may not really protect you. I have a home in Las Conchas near the Blair house. I have heard stories about Francisco for over 15 years and know firsthand that he rents peoples houses without permission and pockets the money. He also told me, to my face, that he is still driving the "old blue truck" so that people will "think I am poor and keep helping me". I actually thought that the Blair house was his for quite some time, as that was what he was telling everyone in Las Conchas. I also know that he used peoples garages to store cars that had been "given to him", but were unlicensed, and that he has had numerous parties for Federales and other officials at the Blair house through the years. As a matter of fact, there was a wedding at the house just 3 weeks ago.

Keep fighting, girls, and I hope that this time "the good guy wins"!


Thank you for your post. We so appreciate when the honest people come on here and help us verify!:smile:

[Mentiras y Traición]

I received this e-mail today in response to a letter I sent to the Las Conchas Homeowners, and the writer gave me permission to post it here. This is becoming the typical scenario....

Dale writes:

"The only contact I have had with him,( I've owned my house for 15 years) was through my sister who he has been trying to bed for that same amount of time. He seems to be more at ease around females. I always see him driving around. Was he really sick awhile back or was that a ruse too?I hope you guys kick his ass in court. When are you going to find out? I know the process is slow down there. That would kill me to watch that jackass in my house. There have been others such as Mathew Wren that have defrauded Gringos and gotten away with it unscathed. Wren inherited his mother's bill paying and management co when she died and reported to all that their bills were being paid as he siphoned off about $250k. Got me for $2500 in the end. He still owns Around d Corner bar down by Miramar."
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hermanas para Justicia" <torosenojados@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Attachment 1

[InkaRoads]

You know, it pays to be patient, although you want your home NOW, however people like the two above are going to start coming out and talking about their experiences with this a$$hueco and at the end even the courts are going to start questioning him!! hang on there sisters your time is coming!!!

[Mentiras y Traición]

I have several horror stories about him. He tried to get me to manage my property for years and when I refused. He put signs on one house saying that the house was condemned and it had no water or power and he talked the renters into renting another house from him and then they wanted their money back from me when the got back to the US. This happened more than once and I complained to the HOA at the time and to the guards.

His parents before him and now he manages a friends property in (I think) Section 11 and uses her house for himself. He is notorious for renting peoples houses and keeping the money for himself and cheating the homeowner out of their rent.

A client of mine found him outside the window of his daughters while they were undressing for bed. I reported this too. The man was furious.

He is a first class sleeze ball. Sorry you got caught up with him.

Do you have a bank trust? That should be your proof of ownership.

[siemprecertero]

I know a good attorney in Rocky Point who especializes in recovering properties and homes for people like you. You can find him at www.lombrozolegal.com (http://www.lombrozolegal.com/) his e-mail is info@lombrozolegal.com he is on freemont boulevard. I hear that he performs successful ending and all the cases he handles on his law firm.

On my opinion Lombrozo Legal is the kind of bulldog son of a ........... attorney you need to end this situation and take that punk along with his people in jail.

Take care.

[Mentiras y Traición]

I know a good attorney in Rocky Point who especializes in recovering properties and homes for people like you. You can find him at www.lombrozolegal.com (http://www.lombrozolegal.com/) I his e-mail is info@lombrozolegal.com he is on freemont boulevard. I hear that he performs successful ending and all the cases he handles on his law firm.

On my opinion Lombrozo Legal is the kind of bulldog son of a ........... attorney you need to end this situation and take that punk along with his people in jail.

Take care.

Thank you! Our current attorney is pretty much a SOB, nothing bad intended. We will definitely keep this info, tho. We just sent a letter to the Las Conchas HOA and are getting some responses that lead us to believe this is not really an isolated incident. Maybe they can use this info, too!

[Mentiras y Traición]

This woman is at our house right now even after being told by us that the matter is in litigation. She, too, knew our Mom, and knows the truth about the property. We wrote her and told her not to use the property until the litigation was complete. She never contacted us back, but now is there for the next couple of weeks with her groups of women, making her money on our backs. She pays Hernandez directly, while we are still paying the expenses on the house.

We have e-mails from her evidencing she knows who really owns that property.

What a "holistic" individual.

This is her website:www.nshama.com/practitioner_details.php?id=49
This is her Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Kathi...ing/1033582610

[playaperro]

Do you know Dawn she lives 2 houses west of you. She just married a
guard.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Do you know Dawn she lives 2 houses west of you. She just married a
guard.

Have known Dawn for many years. Hernandez used to tell us not to talk to her because she was a "bad" person. Turns out, she is pretty nice. We helped her find her lost dog last year and she was very thankful.

[playaperro]

Yea I agree

[Mentiras y Traición]

The Blair family would have access to the web site and could post this information in the message area.

Update: We did, they removed it - they say it's "not their job".

[Mentiras y Traición]

What exactly is the Las Conchas HOA stance on all this? Who do they show the legal property owner is?

This is what the HOA has to say. They don't know who owns what, and apparently, they don't care. Can't even get my name right. The e-mails are in reverse chronological order.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <jstewardsphr@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: To all Las Conchas Property Owners and Interested Parties
To: Hermanas para Justicia <torosenojados@gmail.com>


Shirley: I am certainly not intending to be disinterested regarding your situation. As I believe I have told you before, we have no official record as to who actually owns the properties in Las Conchas. When people move in, they present themselves to the office and inform us of their name, address, and other information, and we accept their word that they are the owner of the applicable property. If a situation develops such as yours, we must remain neutral as we have no ability to know who actually owns the property and, quite frankly, there is actually nothing we can do about the situation.

I am sure that you can understand that as Francisco has been around that particular house for an extremely long time, the security people would believe that he was certainly responsible for what goes on at that house. He is a fixture in Las Conchas and has many contacts and associates here. Our security folks are quite good at assisting the members of this community and we have absolutely no control of the police in Penasco.

All of this aside, we must remain neutral in this situation as we have no knowledge of the litigation, documentation, etc. that establishes the ownership of that house. I would assume that you do have those things, and if so, you will certainly be provided possession of the property by the courts. I will tell you, however, that there are members of this community who say that they were witness to a will that identified Francisco as the owner.

Regardness of any of this, we certainly hope that right will out and the situation will be resolved soon. - Jean




----- Original Message -----
From: "Hermanas para Justicia" <torosenojados@gmail.com>
To: jstewardsphr@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:31:34 PM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona)
Subject: Re: To all Las Conchas Property Owners and Interested Parties

Jean, if you remember correctly, you already told us that, while we were being hauled away to jail, which is one of the reasons we have to take it upon ourselves to let people know what is going on in their own community, right under their own noses.


Unfortunately, that seems to be a prevalent attitude, you know, the "it's not my job" unless you have a whole lot of money to throw at it thing. I sincerely hope that this type of situation never happens to you or any other property owner at Las Conchas, or in Rocky Point. But trying to sweep it under the rug or pretend it's only OUR problem isn't the answer either. In March, simply driving by our own property caused the LAS CONCHAS GUARDS to call the police and report us as a "suspicious vehicle" at Sr. Hernandez' request. This is notwithstanding the fact he knew it was us and was purposefully using the LAS CONCHAS GUARDS and the police to harrass and intimidate us. No wonder people are afraid to speak up....

Turning a blind eye to Sr. Hernandez' activities while he uses the Association's assets and attitude to further his cause is reprehensible. Apparently, the Homeowner's need to know they are on their own when it comes to anything other than paying dues. You have made your position clear, Jean, but for the record, and to add just a little bit of hope for us lowly homeowner's, please know that I have spoken to other Board Members who at least seem to sympathize with us.

Sheryl Storey


On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:34 PM, <jstewardsphr@comcast.net> wrote:
Las Conchas does not interfer or get involved with the operation of any private property at any time. - Jean Steward, President of Las Conchas




----- Original Message -----
From: "Hermanas para Justicia" <torosenojados@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:18:20 AM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona)
Subject: To all Las Conchas Property Owners and Interested Parties

To all Las Conchas Property Owners and Interested Parties:

Section 2, Lot 308, commonly known as Casa de Shirley or the Blair house, has been commandeered by the owner of our property management company, Francisco Hernandez. Sr. Hernandez took this action subsequent to our terminating his maintenance management company.

This property is now in litigation and should not be occupied by anyone. Accordingly, anyone occupying or assisting others to occupy the property may be subject to legal action.

If anyone has any information regarding this situation, or would like more information, please contact Sheryl Storey at torosenojados@gmail.com. Also see postings under the Real Estate Section @ Rocky Point Talk. Thank you.

[Bob Oso]

Good grief!! As for the LC HOA my advise would be to proxy Grimm as your contact for all HOA issues. As for the rest of the story, I'm pulln' for you Sheryl, and hope you get your day in court, and get back what is rightfully yours.

[Roberto]

This issue is one that AMPI ( the Mexican Association of Realtors) ought to get behind. If there is a bank trust and this can happen it casts a long shadow over purchasing in Mexico and the whole industry.

[Mentiras y Traición]

It is in a trust, Roberto. We have faith that that part will prevail. Our on-going dilemma is how to get him off the property. We can't come down and stay for an unlimited time, and as you see, Las Conchas won't help, and in fact, certain members of the board socialize with him. Meanwhile, he rents it out, and we hold our breath.

[Mentiras y Traición]

I think you are right about AMPI, though. We'll give that a shot.:sad:

[Mentiras y Traición]

Good grief!! As for the LC HOA my advise would be to proxy Grimm as your contact for all HOA issues. As for the rest of the story, I'm pulln' for you Sheryl, and hope you get your day in court, and get back what is rightfully yours.

Thats the point. The HOA doesn't benefit us in any way. They have transferred all our member benefits to Hernandez.

[La Pequena Hermana]

AMPI all ready knows...at least about some of our situation!!:confused::confused:

[fasteddy]

Sheryl,
If you ever need a place to stay let me know. My place is available quite often (not in the rental pool) you could stay there while you take care of business. I would ask for margaritas at some time as a fee when you get your home back!

[Mentiras y Traición]

ED, we will do Margaritas anytime! Thank you very much for the generous offer! Is your place in Las Conchas? And WHEN we get the house back, big party for everyone, Margaritas will flow! Actually, they flow a lot when we are there. Specially when we are experimenting with them....
We usually sneak in town, then start roaming around...will PM you when we do!

[rockyptjoe]

ED, we will do Margaritas anytime! Thank you very much for the generous offer! Is your place in Las Conchas? And WHEN we get the house back, big party for everyone, Margaritas will flow! Actually, they flow a lot when we are there. Specially when we are experimenting with them....
We usually sneak in town, then start roaming around...will PM you when we do!
I'm not that familiar with Las Conchas....but you should post a map of where your place is EXACTLY, and when any of us go down, we can do drive-bys, maybe sit outside for a bit....and harass the hell out of the guy....make him paranoid! And if the police are called...."but Senor....I was going to Cet Mar and got lost!!!"

[Mentiras y Traición]

RPJ, here is the house from the street as you are going East. Trying to get the map to load...Just don't get yourselves in trouble or get hurt! He will call and report you as a "suspicious vehicle" like he did us, and harass you!:(:stir:
Section 2, Lot 308
http://rockypointtalk.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=530&stc=1&d=1257732363

[fasteddy]

Sheryl
My place as at the Sonoran Sea, I know a Pigeon coop for some of you,
But it's mine and it's paid for. It's a two bedroom on the second floor. Anytime you think you need to be down let me know and you could just stay there.
My wife and I really love margarita's, so much that we actually purchased one of those commercial grade machines! it has two different bowls on it one we use for traditional margs and the other we use to experiment with!

Best of luck on your house, so we can PARTY together sometime
Ed

p.s. Your house looks beautiful

[Mentiras y Traición]

We have a lime squeezer, a bottle of tequila, and some triple sec! That is our Margarita maker! Oh, yea, ice and salt!

Thank you for your comments on the house. Mom and her brother designed it, wanted it to be a sanctuary for family, so they put an open patio in the middle. The best view is as you drive in the driveway and look thru the patio to the ocean. I have been looking at it for almost 40 years and it still takes my breath away. They had roots in the south, so that's why there are pillars out front, and the arches for the hacienda feel.

I sincerely hope we do get to celebrate there one day soon with all you we met on this forum. One of the things Mom liked doing best was sharing it with people she cared about!

Its funny you mention pigeon coop. For the first many years, we had no electricity, got water brought in from town, went days without baths...but it was wonderful. Then Mom got a generator, but wouldn't use it cuz it made so much noise she couldn't hear the ocean! Yea, it was big, but try mopping it!! Great memories.:cheers:

[rockyptjoe]

RPJ, here is the house from the street as you are going East. Trying to get the map to load...Just don't get yourselves in trouble or get hurt! He will call and report you as a "suspicious vehicle" like he did us, and harass you!:(:stir:
Section 2, Lot 308
http://rockypointtalk.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=530&stc=1&d=1257732363

Hey Sheryl....don't worry....I'm just a law abiding person.....:roll: As far as I know, beach access has to be allowed from the road, and I like to tool around sometimes and check out some of those "mansions" on Las Conchas, just I sometimes do at Cholla Bay!!!!

[playaperro]

http://www.larrydlargefoundation.org/Hc_Francisco.htm
Looks like the L L F did the right thing and took this fraud of a person off their site...:-P

[playaperro]

Nah I'm wrong. they moved him over to the success story...

[jerry]

RPJ, here is the house from the street as you are going East. Trying to get the map to load...Just don't get yourselves in trouble or get hurt! He will call and report you as a "suspicious vehicle" like he did us, and harass you!:(:stir:
Section 2, Lot 308
http://rockypointtalk.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=530&stc=1&d=1257732363

Wow its a Moorish palace! no wonder your pissed. Hey maybe the crook will drop dead the holiday season. When you get it back lets BBQ !

[rockyptjoe]

Hey Sheryl....don't worry....I'm just a law abiding person.....:roll: As far as I know, beach access has to be allowed from the road, and I like to tool around sometimes and check out some of those "mansions" on Las Conchas, just I sometimes do at Cholla Bay!!!!
Hey Sheryl....not wanting to rub salt in the wound...but I did check out your home this weekend....there were 2 cars in the driveway on Friday...several people staying in the house....looked like renters. I have higher resolution pics if you ever need them. I was tempted to put a sign on their windshields that they were renting the house from someone who was not authorized to do so.....but thought better of it....

[La Pequena Hermana]

Thanks for the update, Joe.
We're going to need all the help we can get.
Linda

[Mentiras y Traición]

Hey Sheryl....not wanting to rub salt in the wound...but I did check out your home this weekend....there were 2 cars in the driveway on Friday...several people staying in the house....looked like renters. I have higher resolution pics if you ever need them. I was tempted to put a sign on their windshields that they were renting the house from someone who was not authorized to do so.....but thought better of it....

GREAT pictures! Thanks, RPJ! Someone told us they talked to those people. They say they are from Mesa and will continue to rent from the ladron. Nice shot of the plates so we can find out who they are.
Good call on the note. Don't want you to get in the line of fire here. He is real good at harassing people - heard stories about cutting water and power lines, etc. Maybe we can do a story in an AZ paper, and then the higher res pics would be good!:bunny:

[Mentiras y Traición]

Wow its a Moorish palace! no wonder your pissed. Hey maybe the crook will drop dead the holiday season. When you get it back lets BBQ !

Huge party when we get it back!:bunny:

[rockyptjoe]

GREAT pictures! Thanks, RPJ! Someone told us they talked to those people. They say they are from Mesa and will continue to rent from the ladron. Nice shot of the plates so we can find out who they are.
Good call on the note. Don't want you to get in the line of fire here. He is real good at harassing people - heard stories about cutting water and power lines, etc. Maybe we can do a story in an AZ paper, and then the higher res pics would be good!:bunny:
PM me your email address, and when I get back, I'll send you the full resolution photo with the license plates showing.....

[jerry]

The Tucson Weekly (maybe Leo Banks) would do a story on this nightmare.

[InkaRoads]

[QUOTE=Mentiras y Traición;12718]
.......not intending to be disinterested regarding your situation. As I believe I have told you before, we have no official record as to who actually owns the properties in Las Conchas......

Isn't the purpose of an HOA to know at all times who and how their monthly fees are paid so fixes can be made? sounds to me that the HOA is involved in in some shady transactions themselves!!!

I bet that if it is put to a vote the majority will ask to get rid of the HOA that is in charge now!!! :eek3:

[Mentiras y Traición]

[QUOTE=Mentiras y Traición;12718]
.......not intending to be disinterested regarding your situation. As I believe I have told you before, we have no official record as to who actually owns the properties in Las Conchas......

Isn't the purpose of an HOA to know at all times who and how their monthly fees are paid so fixes can be made? sounds to me that the HOA is involved in in some shady transactions themselves!!!

I bet that if it is put to a vote the majority will ask to get rid of the HOA that is in charge now!!! :eek3:

Funny you should mention that. The current president is a lame duck; her term is up in May. She could care less what happens in our situation, in fact, her husband is seen with the ladron constantly. The ladron gave the house to the current city administration not too long ago and according to some, Las Conchas guards were told not to bother them while they were at our house. We have called them on their many conflicts of interest, but there is no recourse and most of the homeowner's won't rock their own boats. This is going to have to go very public, I'm afraid.

[MIRAMAR]

I think it should go public- for your sake, and the sake of all of us with "bank trusts". It would seem if this can happen to you, it could happen to anyone. You know the AZ Republic would LOVE to run a negative story about Penasco. I would tell someone in the Penasco Administration that the Republic wants to do a story, but I don't know if that would get you in trouble w/ your FM3 or FM2. I know you're not allowed to protest while in Mexico, and I don't know if that's a protest. But a story would get people moving and investigating. What bank is your bank trust with?

[Derek]

If you post the situation to the web sit "Rip off report" it will come up when people google RP. Good luck.

[Mentiras y Traición]

If…:

If fatboyharley is Jill; and

Jill lives in Las Conchas, and

Accuses me of “attacking board members”; and

Says she doesn’t “know the parties… but knows historical facts are being left out”; and

Is acquainted with an individual named Sandy Spain who does not live in Las Conchas but has been overheard saying that Hernandez told her that we are horrible people who abandoned our mother and that’s why Hernandez had to step in and take care of her; and

Who has a “special” relationship with Hernandez; and

We have been told by certain HOA board members that they have also heard that story;

Then couldn’t one assume that fatboyharley got her “historical facts” (you know, the ones she refused to back up) from Sandy Spain and is also spreading them around Las Conchas?

We could never understand fatboyharley’s negative attitude and refusal to back up her statements all while denying any knowledge of the situation...I think we just figured it out.

As for Sandy Spain, our family has never met her; we have just been told what she is saying. On the surface, she seems ok, even getting a thank you for volunteering at the schools on the Adopt a School website. We understand, Sandy, how you can be taken in by Hernandez’ lies. But before you spread them any further, please have the decency to verify them first. Our mother deserves at least that, especially if you consider it your duty, or however you justify it, to verbalize your misguided opinions of her life. The Rocky Point community just keeps getting smaller and smaller.

Shame on you both.:stir:

[Mentiras y Traición]

If you post the situation to the web sit "Rip off report" it will come up when people google RP. Good luck.

Interesting website. Thanks!:bunny:

[fatboyharley]

No fatboy harley is not Jill and I do not know Sandy Spain. The historical information came from a homeowner who owns in Sec 1 since 1987 and knows you, your sister, your mother and had dealings with Francisco.
Shame Shame on who? Why must you continue to try to stir up a hornests nest in a place where one does not exist.

[Mentiras y Traición]

So interesting that you have so many identities to hide behind. I will wager that homeowner in Sec. I has never met any of us. You are such a coward.

[siemprecertero]

This is the current status of Francisco Hernandez Mandujano vs. Linda Corbetta.

Please read it this was posted by the civil court of rocky point on the 30th. of november 2009.

Please read it is in spanish but if somebody can help me to translate it would be fine.

0013/2009 ORDINARIO MERCANTIL. FRANCISCO HERNANDEZ MANDUJANO Vs BANCO NACIONAL DE MEXICO Y LINDA CORVETTA---210 se contesta demanda,
se admite, se acusa rebeldía, se designa domicilio y abogado, 219 deber estarse.

Comments are welcome.

[siemprecertero]

The case has just begun, but I think linda corbetta has the wrong legal advise on this case.
I recommend to contact charles carlis from las conchas, he knows a good attorney, trust me.

[Roberto]

Siempre;
You'll probably have to give more than a 'trust me' on this. It's a little difficult to place trust in a nameless providor of information, false or real, especialy on the internet. Thanks for the reference to the case though, I'll try to get a copy for my abogado friend to read. We all could have a lot riding on this. If the newly proposed changes in the legal system were in place we could all appear in court as observers at least, but I think things are still on the black box system. Anyone know for sure?

[JimMcG]

Siempre;
You'll probably have to give more than a 'trust me' on this. It's a little difficult to place trust in a nameless providor of information, false or real, especialy on the internet. Thanks for the reference to the case though, I'll try to get a copy for my abogado friend to read. We all could have a lot riding on this. If the newly proposed changes in the legal system were in place we could all appear in court as observers at least, but I think things are still on the black box system. Anyone know for sure?

Which changes Bob?

Thanks

[playaperro]

The case has just begun, but I think linda corbetta has the wrong legal advise on this case.
I recommend to contact charles carlis from las conchas, he knows a good attorney, trust me.

Only a Jail house lawyer would make that motion, Can you be more specific on what you mean by legal advice?

Playa

[rockyptjoe]

Only a Jail house lawyer would make that motion, Can you be more specific on what you mean by legal advice?

Playa
Me too!! Based on the 2 line Mexican listing of the case that was provided, I'd be curious on what info the poster has on the case.

[Roberto]

Jim;Part of the Merida Initiative for Mexico includes drastic Judicial reform. As I understand it, Mexico has agreed to move away from the Napolianic (sp?), guilty until proven innocent, system and to a more open system. Currently information is provided to the Juez (Judge) only in writing from both sides of an issue. He then reviews the information, in private and issues a decision, all without hearing argument from both sides, no jury and no public view of the information presented or the process. I think of it as a 'black box' system. I have not reviewed it in awhile, but last I recall the reform has passed as a constitutional amendment, and Sonora has begun to impliment the changes in Hermosillo.You can read the agreement here. I don't have any updates but a Google should turn up lots on this.http://www.wilsoncenter.org/news/docs/Analysis.Merida%20Initiative%20May%208%202008.pdfT he black box system is frightening, and I say from personal experience, having had my girlfriend go to lockup (fortunately a motel with a guard) after being falsely accused of extortion by her ex. in an attempt to avoid his parental responsibilities. He backed off the next day after he regained consciousness from a life threatening accident. That's the way it happens. His crooked primo abogado who cooked up the false charges fled to Hermosillo so he got off light.

[rockyptjoe]

Jim;Part of the Merida Initiative for Mexico includes drastic Judicial reform. As I understand it, Mexico has agreed to move away from the Napolianic (sp?), guilty until proven innocent, system and to a more open system. Currently information is provided to the Juez (Judge) only in writing from both sides of an issue. He then reviews the information, in private and issues a decision, all without hearing argument from both sides, no jury and no public view of the information presented or the process. I think of it as a 'black box' system. I have not reviewed it in awhile, but last I recall the reform has passed as a constitutional amendment, and Sonora has begun to impliment the changes in Hermosillo.You can read the agreement here. I don't have any updates but a Google should turn up lots on this.http://www.wilsoncenter.org/news/docs/Analysis.Merida%20Initiative%20May%208%202008.pdfT he black box system is frightening, and I say from personal experience, having had my girlfriend go to lockup (fortunately a motel with a guard) after being falsely accused of extortion by her ex. in an attempt to avoid his parental responsibilities. He backed off the next day after he regained consciousness from a life threatening accident. That's the way it happens. His crooked primo abogado who cooked up the false charges fled to Hermosillo so he got off light.
I'm sorry, but had to chuckle a bit the first time I read it....was it really an accident????:evil::rofl:

[Roberto]

Sorry but I'm having some problems, here's teh accurate link, I hope. http://www.wilsoncenter.org/news/docs/Analysis.Merida%20Initiative%20May%208%202008.pdf

[Roberto]

Here's a better review.http://italy.usembassy.gov/pdf/other/R40135.pdf

[siemprecertero]

Charles Carlis from las conchas had a big problem with his property, and I met him and he told me that It was going to be like a 4 to 5 year litigation matter to solve his case until he found a local attorney who really took care of the bad guys.

The case took place for only 5 months instead 5 years.

Charles explained me that his lawyer took all the necesary steps and did legally and unofficially what needed to be done, and his lawyer recovered the property succesfully and happily ended the case on his favor.

So that can be easily verifyable, I am not lying or trying to convince anyone, I am just trying to help people who needs good legal advise.

Take care you guys.
:sunny:

[rockyptjoe]

Charles Carlis from las conchas had a big problem with his property, and I met him and he told me that It was going to be like a 4 to 5 year litigation matter to solve his case until he found a local attorney who really took care of the bad guys.

The case took place for only 5 months instead 5 years.

Charles explained me that his lawyer took all the necesary steps and did legally and unofficially what needed to be done, and his lawyer recovered the property succesfully and happily ended the case on his favor.

So that can be easily verifyable, I am not lying or trying to convince anyone, I am just trying to help people who needs good legal advise.

Take care you guys.
:sunny:
And I wonder what that may have involved???:evil: Maybe greasing the palms of the right people.....or the other party disappeared???:roll:

[JimMcG]

Jim;Part of the Merida Initiative for Mexico includes drastic Judicial reform. As I understand it, Mexico has agreed to move away from the Napolianic (sp?), guilty until proven innocent, system and to a more open system. Currently information is provided to the Juez (Judge) only in writing from both sides of an issue. He then reviews the information, in private and issues a decision, all without hearing argument from both sides, no jury and no public view of the information presented or the process. I think of it as a 'black box' system. I have not reviewed it in awhile, but last I recall the reform has passed as a constitutional amendment, and Sonora has begun to impliment the changes in Hermosillo.You can read the agreement here. I don't have any updates but a Google should turn up lots on this.http://www.wilsoncenter.org/news/docs/Analysis.Merida%20Initiative%20May%208%202008.pdfT he black box system is frightening, and I say from personal experience, having had my girlfriend go to lockup (fortunately a motel with a guard) after being falsely accused of extortion by her ex. in an attempt to avoid his parental responsibilities. He backed off the next day after he regained consciousness from a life threatening accident. That's the way it happens. His crooked primo abogado who cooked up the false charges fled to Hermosillo so he got off light.


Sorry but I'm having some problems, here's teh accurate link, I hope. http://www.wilsoncenter.org/news/docs/Analysis.Merida%20Initiative%20May%208%202008.pdf


Here's a better review.http://italy.usembassy.gov/pdf/other/R40135.pdf

Thanks, Bob.

[siemprecertero]

And I wonder what that may have involved???:evil: Maybe greasing the palms of the right people.....or the other party disappeared???:roll:

Nope, simply he hired the rigth one.

Probably if you are even suggesting that is because, you like to grease the palms of all the people you know, but as far as I now, with this new estate goverment money involved is not necesary and they wont take it.

I found who is the one who was hired, but because of your offensive and agressive comments against my friend I wont share any information, period, end of disscussion.

[Kenny]

Nope, simply he hired the rigth one.

Probably if you are even suggesting that is because, you like to grease the palms of all the people you know, but as far as I now, with this new estate goverment money involved is not necesary and they wont take it.

I found who is the one who was hired, but because of your offensive and agressive comments against my friend I wont share any information, period, end of disscussion.
You had no such problem sharing the home owners name "Charles Carlis" on the first post, so why not your attorney friend, or your own? By the way, Joe is not the one who needs advice, at least not on this matter.:stir:

Kenny

[Mentiras y Traición]

Siemprecertero, thank you for the information. Sometimes these posts can be misconstrued because we don't have the ability to discuss things face to face. I think that is what happened in this instance. My sister and I appreciate anyone who goes out of their way to help, as you have. I think some of the comments are because we have seen what sometimes passes for "justice" lately, and we are all sort of jaded from our own experiences, and this forum lets us vent. I will tell you I am familiar with the case you mention and the attorney. Thanks again and hope you stay with the forum!
Sheryl

[rockyptjoe]

Nope, simply he hired the rigth one.

Probably if you are even suggesting that is because, you like to grease the palms of all the people you know, but as far as I now, with this new estate goverment money involved is not necesary and they wont take it.

I found who is the one who was hired, but because of your offensive and agressive comments against my friend I wont share any information, period, end of disscussion.

OMG....my feathers were ruffled, so I'm going to take my ball and go home!!! Maybe you also missed the smiley's I had in my post????

Siemprecertero....if you have some info...give it....like Kenny already said, you were able to post the homeowners name....so what's the problem posting the attorney's name????

I've seen enough "drive by" type of posts here and other Forums....so obviously I'm somewhat jaded when it comes to your post. I don't know what your background or native language is, but if you read your own post....and the words I had highlighted, it leaves itself open to interpretation!

I've seen enough of how things "are" in Mexico....so don't preach to me that who you know, or whose palms you're willing or able to grease, doesn't accomplish things!!!

[siemprecertero]

Look:

check at this web site www.lombrozolegal.com and make your own coclusions I think a good attorneys is the rigth solution to solve their problem.

I hope this help you.

I think lombrozo attorneys can equalize the case.

Regards.


OMG....my feathers were ruffled, so I'm going to take my ball and go home!!! Maybe you also missed the smiley's I had in my post????

Siemprecertero....if you have some info...give it....like Kenny already said, you were able to post the homeowners name....so what's the problem posting the attorney's name????

I've seen enough "drive by" type of posts here and other Forums....so obviously I'm somewhat jaded when it comes to your post. I don't know what your background or native language is, but if you read your own post....and the words I had highlighted, it leaves itself open to interpretation!

I've seen enough of how things "are" in Mexico....so don't preach to me that who you know, or whose palms you're willing or able to grease, doesn't accomplish things!!!

[rockyptjoe]

Siemprecertero...thank you for the info....

[InkaRoads]

This is the current status of Francisco Hernandez Mandujano vs. Linda Corbetta.

Please read it this was posted by the civil court of rocky point on the 30th. of november 2009.

Please read it is in spanish but if somebody can help me to translate it would be fine.

0013/2009 ORDINARIO MERCANTIL. FRANCISCO HERNANDEZ MANDUJANO Vs BANCO NACIONAL DE MEXICO Y LINDA CORVETTA---210 se contesta demanda,
se admite, se acusa rebeldía, se designa domicilio y abogado, 219 deber estarse.

Comments are welcome.

If this is all they have is kind of vague?sp but translate to or close to:

"0013/2009 Handyman Francisco Hernandez Mandujano Vs. National Bank of Mexico and Linda Corvetta- - - 210 demand is corroborated, it is admitted, accused of defaulting, Lawyer and address are assigned, 219 must stay.

I believe that any handyman that tries to go against a National Bank and it's trustee must have a huge amunition to win!! then again I am just a beach bum!! :eek3:

[InkaRoads]

I could not edit my previous post any longer, what I mean by vague?sp is that it seems like if it was written by a non-spanish speaker, I mean it is missing prepositions and some grammatical errors.
It is possible that in the law language is normal to omitte prepositions but that many?
was this read from one of the bulletin boards they have at the court house?

[Mentiras y Traición]

:stir:I found it by googling terms similiar to this "juzgado mixto civil hernandez mandujano" or juzgado mixto civil puerto penasco...lots of info there. They list the case filings, names and a brief description of the matter. You may recognize many names...

[playaperro]

<LI class=g>Juzgado Mixto Penal (http://www.stjsonora.gob.mx/tribunal/puertop/penal/may/mp180509.htm)

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<LI style="MARGIN-LEFT: 3em" class=g>Juzgado Mixto Penal (http://www.stjsonora.gob.mx/tribunal/puertop/penal/oct/mp301009.htm)

- [ Translate this page (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.stjsonora.gob.mx/tribunal/puertop/penal/oct/mp301009.htm&ei=bWg_S42xNIXasQPLvN3FBA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA0Q7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djuzgado%2Bmixto%2Bpenal%2Bpuerto%2Bpe nasco%2Bmandujano%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1D1DNUS_enUS35 6US356) ] 30 Oct 2009 ... JUZGADO PENAL PUERTO PEÑASCO, SON. Consta de 3 Secretarías. *PENAL ... FRANCISCO HERNADEZ

[InkaRoads]

Playa, if you click in the "Juzgado Mixto Penal" brings up the page with the articles , I believe if you get the number to the left of the entry, ex; mandujano has 2: 0186/2004 and 0193/2004 Towards the bottom of the page
Then you will need to take those number to the Juzgado and get the actual full version of the article per se, IMHO

[Mentiras y Traición]

I copied this from the Las Palomas thread. Thanks, Playa!
-Sheryl

Posted by:
Chris McDonagh
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Join Date
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"BeachDog,
I hadn’t heard of Francisco Hernandez until I read the discussion on this site about him. It sounds like the type of nightmare scenario that feeds into the fear that keeps a lot of gringos from ever buying property in Mexico. That’s unfortunate, because in general Mexico has legal protections for foreign owners that are typically better now than the negative reputation that persists. A will contest or probate dispute regarding who owns property after someone dies is not all that unusual in the U.S. So, in that respect, someone claiming to have a secret will is not something that is unique to Mexico or that you’re safe from in the U.S. Nor does justice always prevail in court in the U.S. or Mexico. But, at least to my knowledge, in the U.S. the police don’t take sides and evict someone in possession until after a final decision is made in court. That at least preserves a sense of justice and due process until there’s a trial. That doesn’t seem to be what happened to you, and it’s the type of thing that may cause people to fear that their property is not safe unless this is clearly resolved fairly by the court.
I like to think that buying property in Mexico can be made safe if done right. When I represent people buying Mexican property, I’m very focused on trying to eliminate as much risk as possible. We negotiate purchase contracts and work with experienced and reputable Mexican lawyers and notarios to do due diligence and whatever else is possible to minimize risk and to withhold as much as possible of the purchase price until transfer of legal title (not just signing a Promesa or delivery of possession).
But, unfortunately, even getting good title or a bank trust isn’t always enough to avoid legal disputes. I wish you luck."

[Mentiras y Traición]

"BeachDog,
I hadn’t heard of Francisco Hernandez until I read the discussion on this site about him. It sounds like the type of nightmare scenario that feeds into the fear that keeps a lot of gringos from ever buying property in Mexico. That’s unfortunate, because in general Mexico has legal protections for foreign owners that are typically better now than the negative reputation that persists. A will contest or probate dispute regarding who owns property after someone dies is not all that unusual in the U.S. So, in that respect, someone claiming to have a secret will is not something that is unique to Mexico or that you’re safe from in the U.S. Nor does justice always prevail in court in the U.S. or Mexico. But, at least to my knowledge, in the U.S. the police don’t take sides and evict someone in possession until after a final decision is made in court. That at least preserves a sense of justice and due process until there’s a trial. That doesn’t seem to be what happened to you, and it’s the type of thing that may cause people to fear that their property is not safe unless this is clearly resolved fairly by the court.
I like to think that buying property in Mexico can be made safe if done right. When I represent people buying Mexican property, I’m very focused on trying to eliminate as much risk as possible. We negotiate purchase contracts and work with experienced and reputable Mexican lawyers and notarios to do due diligence and whatever else is possible to minimize risk and to withhold as much as possible of the purchase price until transfer of legal title (not just signing a Promesa or delivery of possession).
But, unfortunately, even getting good title or a bank trust isn’t always enough to avoid legal disputes. I wish you luck."[/QUOTE]

Let me clarify a few things. We were never "evicted" from our property. The night our former caretaker called the police on us, we went in front of an Mexican arbitrator who determined that only Francisco and "his immediate family" could stay at our house THAT night since my sister, as the trust holder, agreed to go to a hotel. The house was trashed, and their belonging were everywhere since his lawyer had recently advised him to move his family in to take possession. First we heard in 40 years that he was married. Since that time, neither Las Conchas or the Mexican police have assisted us in any manner, each claiming "it's not their job." So he continues to rent it out, throw large parties and profit from his actions. Even though I, personally, reported to the police that he has threaten me, NOTHING has ever been done about it.

There is no "will contest." He has never presented a "will" to the court. He simply states he "has one" and since he says he showed it to Arturo Cano, the GM for Las Conchas, they have taken the position that he is the rightful owner and refuse to assist us. Hernandez spends a lot of time at the offices of Las Conchas and with members of the HOA Board. The litigation involves his use of document to illegally transfer lots and attempt to transfer the trust to his name, and is ongoing.

Further, NO ONE, has our permission to occupy our house for any purpose, yet many, allegedly including members of the new administration, and many Norte Americanos, continue to do so. We are compiling names and vehicle description on an on-going basis, especially of those we have already contacted about this. This means you, Kathie Kelling, for one.

-Sheryl

[rockyptjoe]

Hey Sheryl....I didn't see anyone renting the place over New Year's....walked around and took a bunch of photos, including thru some of the windows. When I have a chance this weekend to edit them to a manageable size, I'll send them to you....BTW...it's a beautiful place....

[Mentiras y Traición]

Hey Sheryl....I didn't see anyone renting the place over New Year's....walked around and took a bunch of photos, including thru some of the windows. When I have a chance this weekend to edit them to a manageable size, I'll send them to you....BTW...it's a beautiful place....

Thanks, Joe. Mom and her brother designed it. They were from Florida, so you can see the Southern influence in the pillars. Mom loved the idea of the patio surrounded by bougainvillea, and every year, she planted ice plant that never grew while she was gone. The fountain used to work and it was where all of our kids played when they were babies. Mom picked out all the tilework trying to match certain colors to the ones she saw in the ocean. So many really good memories!

[Myway]

Two sides for every story! No doubts about it! I have known Francisco and Linda for over 12 years. When I first met Linda she said that your mom kind of "adopted" Francisco.
Interesting!!!

[Mentiras y Traición]

Two sides for every story! No doubts about it! I have known Francisco and Linda for over 12 years. When I first met Linda she said that your mom kind of "adopted" Francisco.
Interesting!!!

Yea, Myway, she kinda did. Treated him like family...helped him since he was a teenager. Gave him opportunities that helped him succeed in Las Conchas and Penasco. Hell of a way for him to repay her don't you think?

[Mentiras y Traición]

He's at it again. Going around to businesses in town and flashing the ADMINISTRATIVE power of attorney given to him in 2000 to manage the house - trying to get more stuff in his name. The power of attorney died in 2002 with the person who gave it AND does not in any way give him the power to transfer ANYTHING to himself!!!! HE IS RELYING ON PEOPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION! And for the most part, they are not.

Please be careful who you give any kind of power to...property managers DON'T need powers of attorney to manage your property no matter what they tell you. If anyone has any questions about a power of attorney shown by FRANCISCO HERNANDEZ MANDUJANO, please email me! This means ANYONE occupying our home without our explicit permission. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, and so do we.

Sheryl Pomeroy Storey

[Mentiras y Traición]

So few words, so many cases...

http://www.stjsonora.gob.mx

Web Results
1 - 10 of about 71 from www.stjsonora.gob.mx for francisco hernandez mandujano. (0.06 seconds)

[Mentiras y Traición]

Well, folks, as it gets closer to our court date in April, the ladron has ramped up his campaign. Apparently, he is now flashing around a business card from Amor Ministries, a wonderfully altruistic organization that has been building homes in Rocky Point for some time. Many years ago, Mom agreed to donate the use of her house to a church group from Phoenix who work with Amor in Rocky Point, and of course her caretaker, Francisco Hernandez, handled the details. Fast forward to after Mom's death and he is allegedly telling anyone who will listen that Amor will now support him in his efforts to take our house because of the "good deeds" he has done. Well, they were Mom’s good deeds, and how that translates into his entitlement to our property is beyond me. It’s amazing what a person can do behind your back once they have gained your trust.
Well, guess what...the Amor representative in San Diego who is in charge of the building in Rocky Point has not only never heard of Francisco Hernandez, but has never heard of the individual whose card he is flashing around. Mom's agreement was to provide her home rent-free...I just talked to the pastor of that church, and he verifies that they have been paying Hernandez all these years-and verifies that he knows it was Mom's gift. We have also discovered that another organization that was supposed to be receiving the rent-free contribution from our Mom has also been charged for years. But they apparently don’t want to “kill the golden goose” for whatever their particular reasons are and forbid anyone from the organization from contacting us. You can tell the character of an individual or an organization when they care more about how the truth will affect them than about the truth itself. Some of these people claim to be “Christians”, but you can’t tell by their actions. It’s been my experience that true Christians don’t hide behind the title, but actually walk the walk. Anyway, the ladron is claiming Mom's acts of generosity as his own, and insanely enough, trying to justify his theft of our house because of them. Not so ironic, it’s the ones that benefit from Hernandez’ deceptions that keep their heads buried in the sand so they don’t have to acknowledge it. We just keep learning more and more….

[Roberto]

Malo. malo. malo!

[Mentiras y Traición]

Si, es muy malo.

[Mentiras y Traición]

:cheers:Oooooo, the threads of deception unravel! How do you say "karma" in Spanish?

[Kenny]

:cheers:Oooooo, the threads of deception unravel! How do you say "karma" in Spanish?


Karma.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_30_122.gif

[jerry]

I wonder if you putting a ad in Rosy's newspaper that told this story to a wider audience in town would it help or hurt your case?You might find out some more dirt on the guy.

[playaperro]

:rofl:Hey Fatboy Harley you going to Francisco's Hanging in April, Would love to see you over at the courthouse:D.

LOL

Playa

[fatboyharley]

You know I have no idea who you are or who he is if I fell over both of you in a dark alley so stop with this once and for all!!! I was going to tell about the renters in the house this weekend but forget it You think you know me and that I know him Enough I don't know either of you and don't wish to know either of you Enough all ready!! Leave me out of this!

[Mentiras y Traición]

RorJ: We have no control over Playa; he/she has his or her own opinions and his/her own separate experiences with Hernandez. My sister and I have record of all the people that stay in our house, but we appreciate the thought. I think it's just your previous comments. I kinda wish you would go and get to know him...then you would understand. And the people in Section 1 who think they know me or my sister, they are also misleading you to say things on this forum....notice how nobody that says they know him in a positive manner will give their names? It is an ugly mess, but he brought it on himself. Sorry you are caught in the net somehow.

Sheryl

[playaperro]

Hey Fatboy Harley Were you going to tell us about that church group that showed up last Sabado about 4 pm and left town first thing domingo morning. I think they got the hint...

[ralph g]

good luck dog

[playaperro]

good luck dog
Thanks Ralph, I really appreciate your kind words. We been trying to get Francisco in a court of law since we had him arrested in 04, for criminal trespass slippery fellow he is. He rules Las Conchas with an iron fist. I would like to thank Linda and Sheryl for sharing their battle with him on this forum. Again Thanks to everyone that took time to read what went on and who sided with who.

Playa

[Mentiras y Traición]

This woman and her group have been asked not to use our house, yet continues to do so. She makes money off her groups, and Hernandez makes money off of her. Check out her website. So much for spiritualism. You are right, El Gitano...it's all about greed.

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[Mentiras y Traición]

What Kathie Kelling says about herself:

"As a long time resident of the Valley of the Sun, I am thrilled that there are new opportunities to gather with like minded people.

Are you a practitioner in the health and wellness industry?
I am an evocateur (transformational life coach), PSYCH-K facilitatior, and workshop leader in Arizona and internationally.

What services would interest you to improve your quality of life?
I am open to learning about all modes or holistic healing, personal growth and spirituality.

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What is your interest in joining this meetup?
To have fun!

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My business can benefit the solo or small group holistic or integrative practitioner and I am open to trading services."

Gotta love the contradictions in words and actions!

[jerry]

I think Kathie should spend some quality time in a sweatlodge in crystal country! Boy if my math is right shes pulling in 5k plus a week.....maybe i need a life coach (that's transformational life coach) to you civilians

[rockyptjoe]

What Kathie Kelling says about herself:

"As a long time resident of the Valley of the Sun, I am thrilled that there are new opportunities to gather with like minded people.

Are you a practitioner in the health and wellness industry?
I am an evocateur (transformational life coach), PSYCH-K facilitatior, and workshop leader in Arizona and internationally.

What services would interest you to improve your quality of life?
I am open to learning about all modes or holistic healing, personal growth and spirituality.

Are you a member of NSHAMA.COM? We are a network of quality wellness services, with an integrative or holistic approach.
I am a member of NSHAMA.

What is your interest in joining this meetup?
To have fun!

Do you have a business that can benefit the solo or small group holistic or integrative practitioner? Do you have a business that could use a wellness program?
My business can benefit the solo or small group holistic or integrative practitioner and I am open to trading services."

Gotta love the contradictions in words and actions!

I love all the "mumbo-jumbo" in these "ads"!!!! People are so bored with themselves that they have to find ways to spend a bunch of $$ for all of this "coaching" and "workshops"!!! Yeah, definitely, brring on the sweat lodge!

[Bob Oso]

Sheryl, Without reading through 21 pages, isn't this the month it goes to trial? If so, I hope the best for you and your sis. I'd love to see this thread end with a victory dance smiley character, if Stuart has one.

[Stuart]

:woo:

[rockyptjoe]

Sheryl...I hope you KICK:moon:

[Mentiras y Traición]

Haha! Love the sentiments, guys! We have a hearing the first week of April (ooops, that's now!). From what I understand, this is the court's time to ask us questions...we hope to find out then exactly what happens next. We will let you all know what happens! I don't think this event will be the deciding one, but we get to let them know just how much evidence we have! Thanks, and RPJ, put some damn pants on! LOL! Sheryl & Linda.

[Mentiras y Traición]

UPDATE: Linda and I were just in Penasco where she and the bank both testified that there has never been any transfer to the ladron. He must be getting more and more desperate because now we are hearing that he is telling people that we have "given up." Just for the record, we aren't giving up until the truth is out and so is he. By the way, for the folks who were so verbal about it...there is no other "WILL" just like we said. He is using an old power of attorney Mom gave him to manage the property and showing it around.

[PitiquitoRosy]

UPDATE: Linda and I were just in Penasco where she and the bank both testified that there has never been any transfer to the ladron. He must be getting more and more desperate because now we are hearing that he is telling people that we have "given up." Just for the record, we aren't giving up until the truth is out and so is he. By the way, for the folks who were so verbal about it...there is no other "WILL" just like we said. He is using an old power of attorney Mom gave him to manage the property and showing it around.

Take it from me, Sheryl...once they start contradicting themselves under oath, the liars start scrambling for explanations. This is just one more sign that your position is strong and that you (and the truth) will ultimately win this battle. Anyone who thinks you'll give up obviously has never looked into your steely, determined eyes.

Hugs,

[Mentiras y Traición]

Yikes! Now I am afraid to look in the mirror! Thanks, Rosie! I'm gonna have to practice that "look"!

[Mentiras y Traición]

Yes, we know there was a huge party at our house last night and it appears even the police were attending it instead of breaking it up. This is going to be the norm while the ladron is in control of the property. Some say there were 40-50 cars plus security. He is getting so desperate he doesn't care who he rents to as long as it brings him money to pay his attorney. You can thank the Las Conchas HOA and Arturo Cano who told my sister and I a year ago he had "seen a will." We have been waiting a long time to see what documents he filed with the court to attempt to justify this takeover. We now know the court file holds no such document, so what did Cano see, and how is his "opinion" able to justify Las Conchas' lack of support for us? This individual has been in possession of our property now for over a year. If it can happen to us, it can happen to you. All we did was hire a property manager. He has manipulated documents and people at his whim. I challenge anyone who says they have seen these documents, and based their "opinions" on them to present them to the court. Otherwise, I consider those who make such statements to be in concert with Hernandez and just as cowardly.
Sheryl

[rockyptjoe]

Sheryl....couldn't your friends (whoever reported the party to you) have gotten the plate numbers on the police cars? Maybe a report to the Mayor of Penasco would do something if they were local? Didn't he clean house with the police force when he came on board?

[Mentiras y Traición]

For obvious reasons, most people don't want to be seen taking down police car license plates or even being involved with the police. The last thing we want is for anybody else to be harassed like we are - remember he called the police on us for just driving by a year ago. Plus "word on the street" is that Las Conchas HOA has given orders not to "bother" Hernandez so with complete lack of support from all, we are pretty much helpless until the court makes its decision. Kinda hard to have any faith in any of it when he provides our house to whomever he thinks can benefit him...actually using it against us. Remember, all this because his attorney told him to take over the house after we fired him...and he did...and for the first time since 1974 we haven't been allowed there. What's wrong with this picture?

[Vvalenz]

Sheryl and Linda, I have been reading this and it's sad. I am very sorry that you are going thru this. It's also sad that the HOA, does not require documentation, title work, some type of forms or permission to allow people to live in Las Conchas or an agreement notarized from owners who is managing their property. But I guess it would be too much work. I will keep looking at this forum to see if there is any new information here. I will keep praying for you and your sister, I am sure that his has taken a toll on your health. I too can offer my house, in las Conchas, if you would like to stay there, we dont rent the house and we go every other week. But your more than welcome to stay with us or without us present. I can only imagine your frustration. Isn't there some type of newspaper you can write to, or columnist? Like 9 on your side? Good luck, keep us all posted. We are praying for you.

[PitiquitoRosy]

Sheryl and Linda, I have been reading this and it's sad. I am very sorry that you are going thru this. It's also sad that the HOA, does not require documentation, title work, some type of forms or permission to allow people to live in Las Conchas or an agreement notarized from owners who is managing their property. But I guess it would be too much work. I will keep looking at this forum to see if there is any new information here. I will keep praying for you and your sister, I am sure that his has taken a toll on your health. I too can offer my house, in las Conchas, if you would like to stay there, we dont rent the house and we go every other week. But your more than welcome to stay with us or without us present. I can only imagine your frustration. Isn't there some type of newspaper you can write to, or columnist? Like 9 on your side? Good luck, keep us all posted. We are praying for you.

Vvalenz, I'm just an observer here, but I know the sisters personally and am moved by your gesture. God bless you...

[Vvalenz]

Thanks PitiquitoRosy
One last thing Sherry and Linda have you tried going to the govenor's office in Hermosillo?

[Mentiras y Traición]

Vvalenz, thank you for the support and kind words. I've said many times that one thing Linda and I wouldn't change is the people we have met and come to know since this has happened. So if we have to put up with one dishonest human so we can meet some really great ones, I guess that is what we pick! Rosie said it well, we are very moved by your gesture! We are following our attorney's lead on who we speak with and so far the governor hasn't been mentioned....

[DonJaime]

This situation is not unique to RP. San Carlos has had more than it's share of this skull duggery over the years. The results were not always favorable to the gringos. In San Carlos, the theavery has even been Mexican on Mexican.
I hope that this is reasolved favorably for you and that your property is soon returned. These situations do not bode well for current gringo property holders and future gringos who wish to purchase Mexican property.

[Mentiras y Traición]

The common thread also seems to be that we trust and follow whatever our "advisors" suggest. When the individuals or companies that hold themselves out as the "experts" in all things Mexican/legal/real estate, and then turn out to be thieves and crooks who intentionally mislead to benefit themselves, it usually isn't discovered until after the fact. At that point, people give up for a myriad of reasons. I firmly believe that the more this information gets out there, with names, dates and places, the better off all of us will be. Then there are those who have information that would help others but are only concerned with themselves. These are the ones you will find still supporting the thieves and crooks for their own reasons, and to hell with the truth. I also believe their day in the spotlight will come.

[playaperro]

Well it looks like Las Conchas voted in a new president and maybe things will change and she will protect the vecinos of Las Conchas.
The former president was just in it to serve for her friends and family and she still wants to be on the board and be a representative
from a section she is not a member from. The former president husband makes $30.000 a year driving a tractor and taking care of the
equipment for the vecinos. That job really belongs to the local people. Must be nice to be up at the white maintain during the summer
and getting paid. Most workers in Mexico doing his job would be very lucky to be making $150.00 a week. So if they could do away with him how many workers could be hired.


Yes their was a court hearing this past month were Sheryl and Linda along with a representative from the bank were they have their bank trust. Showed all the right paperwork. Ladron showed with no paperwork and his two so called witnesses to this did not show.

The Las Conchas Board is friends with the Ladron so they did not ask him for any real paperwork. Its not their problem. Its like they say
call me if you have any problems. They will not take email because their will be a record of it.

[Bob Oso]

Well it's good to see the wheels of justice are finely turning in the right direction. Slow as it may be though, but turning. I hope that the new director(s) take in account of the seriousness of this particular situation and step up to make sure when Sheryl and Linda get there casa back that it is still in somewhat the same condition it was when this all started. I have a sinking feeling when the Lardazz gets the zapata in the rear he's going to do something stupido.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Well it's good to see the wheels of justice are finely turning in the right direction. Slow as it may be though, but turning. I hope that the new director(s) take in account of the seriousness of this particular situation and step up to make sure when Sheryl and Linda get there casa back that it is still in somewhat the same condition it was when this all started. I have a sinking feeling when the Lardazz gets the zapata in the rear he's going to do something stupido.

We also have that feeling, Bob. But there are a lot of people watching and documenting for us, so if they do something, it's unlikely they will not be identified. He has not been taking care of it, only profiting from it. There will be no help from the new HOA administration. They are the same as the old...just change titles. Let's see what happens with the issue of the former president of the HOA running as District Rep for a district she doesn't live in (happens to be our district...). It will be a good "tell" on the new administrations' position and cronyism.:stir:

[playaperro]

Well looks like Mean Jean is out for district 1 rep. The Las Conchas board is looking for someone to represent that district. Maybe the district rep will ask Ladron for the paperwork, or sould arturo cano the man in charge that is getting paid should call him in to show his paperwork for the vecinos to see. That would be the right thing to do. Ginger step up to the bat and clean house, bring back our parks and ask this Ladron for his paperwork. I know you read this...

[rockyptjoe]

Hey Sheryl....why don't you run for District Rep?

[La Pequena Hermana]

Hey Sheryl....why don't you run for District Rep?

She's tooo mean!!!:)

[La Pequena Hermana]

:clown::clown::razz:But...I LOVe her!!!
Very Strong Woman!

[Mentiras y Traición]

Uh, apparently I didn't torture you enuff when we were little!

[Mentiras y Traición]

Hey Sheryl....why don't you run for District Rep?

Well, for one thing, I don't have a PLACE TO STAY!:shock:

[Ladyjeeper]

Yes, you do.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Dang, girl, I wish I could make the Memorial Day float!

[Ladyjeeper]

We do, too!

[InkaRoads]

Not having your place might be a little hard for the moment but in the other hand if you and a few other honest people get to the board, things could change fast and make it the place it once was again, I can not understand how come many owners of Las Conchas do not do anything knowing these things go on and on, are the majority crooks? it is hard to believe so with all the properties there! however I can understand how hard it is for some to run for office and specially on a place that is so far from your main home!!

[Mentiras y Traición]

Ink, for one thing, not being there, I certainly wouldn't be a very effective rep for our district. But mostly, I think people are afraid to "rock the boat." They would rather wait and see what happens and then align themselves with the victor. Hernandez has put a lot of fear in the community simply due to the way he retaliates. There are those that have stood up to him only to have their power cut, water shut off, house burgled...coincidence? Maybe...kinda like being the one who shows up at 3 a.m. just after someone's house has been burgled to "help." That's how he got our business in the first place. Our house kept getting "broken into by gringos" as he said, and he would "watch" it for us. Look how that turned out. But I digress...I am sure there are some honest people who want to change the way Las Conchas is run and perceived these days. Some may even be on the new Board. But as long as certain people are still benefiting from Hernandez' "favors," and as long as they don't care who gets hurt, things won't change too quickly. Yep, I'm a cynic these days!:stir:

[La Pequena Hermana]

Uh, apparently I didn't torture you enuff when we were little!

Uh Huhhhhh!!!!

[La Pequena Hermana]

Well, for one thing, I don't have a PLACE TO STAY!:shock:

But...You Would be Goood!

[Mentiras y Traición]

:stir:Well, miracles never cease. I just received a video in the mail. Guess who is on it translating for our mom and telling everybody there that it is her house? Love that people videotape their events. Who all wants to see it?:stir:

[rockyptjoe]

Me..me..me.....

[Stuart]

+1

[Mentiras y Traición]

I still have to figure out how to get it from DVD to my computer...but what I really want to do is rent the new movie theater in Penasco and play it there! Gotta run an errand, will try to get it figured out soon! I got the Pointer Sisters song "I'm So Excited" running thru my head right now!

[PitiquitoRosy]

:stir:Well, miracles never cease. I just received a video in the mail. Guess who is on it translating for our mom and telling everybody there that it is her house? Love that people videotape their events. Who all wants to see it?:stir:

I wanna see! This is great!

[rockyptjoe]

I wonder if you could get the local tv stations to play it....like a paid commercial??? The best time would be during a Mexico World Cup soccer match!!!:stir:

[InkaRoads]

excelent, more ammunition for your case!! patience and your house will be for your use and your family only again!! and yes would like to see the video too!!

[Ladyjeeper]

I wanna see it, too!!!!!

[Mentiras y Traición]

I am still trying to figure out how to post it. It is on a DVD. Feeling dumber by the minute. Gotta call in the tech troops.:fail:

[Ladyjeeper]

Just ask your neighbors 10 year old! LOL!

[Mentiras y Traición]

Yea, I hear you.:?:confused:
Then I tried to download the u-tube uploader...guess how that went...