Las palomas owners story

[jerry]

This isn't a rumor.This is an owners story about her Condo purchase.She could have told it better but It would make you think about doing business with these guys.My question is it going to be illegal to talk about stories like this on the forum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UAPUVwyXmA

[JimMcG]

We will soon find out.

[fatboyharley]

She talks but Did she lose her money or was the delivery just delayed?

[Stuart]

This isn't a rumor.This is an owners story about her Condo purchase.She could have told it better but It would make you think about doing business with these guys.My question is it going to be illegal to talk about stories like this on the forum?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UAPUVwyXmA

Why would it be illegal? People have a right to know. The only time we get upset is when a thread goes completely off-topic, the name calling begins, or you guys continue to beat a dead horse until it's not even fit to be Alpo.

[playaperro]

Their claim to fame is that they sold "1000 condos on 1000 days". Yeah
they were going to be some problems.

[Roberto]

She starts off " You used to only need a handshake, but now you need to get a contract" Sorry, you always needed a contract. She does not say she lost any money yet. Sounds like the builder did not delivr on time and she wants out and should be allowed to get out with a refund if tere is a contract. Again, I would not put one peso down on an unbuilt project. The lure is always " you get developer's discount and in exchange for that possible benefit you take on risk. Sorry.

[Kenny]

:-o
Why would it be illegal? People have a right to know. The only time we get upset is when a thread goes completely off-topic, the name calling begins, or you guys continue to beat a dead horse until it's not even fit to be Alpo.

I found that video a few day's ago and sent it to a few friends on this forum at that time. Maybe because of the climate on the forum it wasn't posted until today, or?... Maybe it wasn't posted until Jerry saw it in my email to him, today? :-D Maybe even some didn't want it posted?:-o

[JimMcG]

This case had Your prints all over it! :? :evil:

[jerry]

Why would it be illegal? People have a right to know. The only time we get upset is when a thread goes completely off-topic, the name calling begins, or you guys continue to beat a dead horse until it's not even fit to be Alpo.

Stewart if nobody beat dead horses carne seca wouldn't have been invented

[Kenny]

Stewart if nobody beat dead horses carne seca wouldn't have been invented

That reminds me Jerry, I finally finished "Insurgent Mexico" by John Reed, What a great book. I savored it, and was portioning it out like it was a rare find; it is.

Thank you so much for lending it to me.

Kenny

[jerry]

Kenny don't you think that book gives you a feel for why the drug war is unwinnable. The people of Northern mexico are flat out hard cases when they need to be.

[La Huerita]

We did not discover from this video if the woman actually lost any money to the developer, and though she expected delivery on a certain date and that wasn't met, isn't Las Palomas now finished? In which case one can assume she did eventually get her condo. I can sympathize with her, but the use of force majeure in circumstances like hers (and purchasers at Los Corales, where the developer is using the same excuse) is certainly not limited to Mexico and it isn't fair to advise people against doing any kind of business in Mexico because of her experience with Las Palomas.

If you google "force majeure usa real estate" you'll learn that developers all over the USA are trying to use that clause (a very standard clause in contracts, by the way) to get out of the mess they're in. Just as one good example, and with an explanation of what it means under the law, take a look at this article in Realty Times: Housing Counsel: Force Majeure -- Developer's Excuse "De Jeure" (http://realtytimes.com/rtpages/20061106_forcemajeure.htm)

I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone/developer/real estate company/etc., but you take risks anywhere when you buy preconstruction. Often it works out great; sometimes, well, not so much. There's been a lot of swampland sold in the USA over the years, and in fact it's still being sold today. Just sayin'...

[JimMcG]

It still sounds that the developer still must deliver the unit, albeit late.

[clayb]

As an owner in Las Palomas, Phase one, I beleive the woman on the video must be referring to Phase 3, which is not finished. Phase one, and two, are done. Phase three is pretty slow going.

[La Huerita]

Ah, that makes things clearer, and if that's the case then I don't blame her a bit for being seriously upset. Thanks, clayb.

[joester]

Canada, although beautiful, has no beachfront property to compare to the Sea of Cortez. also, one heck of a long drive for everyone in the southwest USA to get to for a long weekend vacation.

[ernesto]

It's "horse manure" not "force majeur"

[siemprecertero]

I know a good attorney in Rocky Point who especializes in real estate law. You can find him at www.lombrozolegal.com his e-mail is info@lombrozolegal.com he is on freemont boulevard. He performs successful ending and all the cases he handles on his law firm.

On my opinion Lombrozo Legal is the kind of bulldog attorney you need to end this situation and force those punks to give you your money back or delivering your new condo.

[siemprecertero]

YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN ROCKY POINT? PLEASE GO TO THIS SITE AND MAKE YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS: http://www.rockypointexposed.com/

[jerry]

Not about this place but pretty funny tips on time share world...The mayan Prison Ha!


gabesz
New York, NY
1,434 forum posts
“ grand mayan timeshare nightmare ”
Jun 03, 2007, 1:43 AM
On May 30 we attended a presentation for purchasing a time share at Grand Mayan Palace(still under construction) in San Jose Cabo. This presentation was supposed to last approximately 90 minutes. It ended up being nearly 5 plus hours. What started as a nice presentation ended up being an insulting waste of my time.

We were offered initially 2 weeks 2 bedrooms(one bedroom and one lockoff studio) at Gand Mayan at 49,900 plua 720 per year maintenance, 2 years of RCI membership and free exchange with SFX for life. The second offer was at the Mayan Palace(no pool on your balcony) for 34,900 with the same features as above. Both include 100 year ownership renewable every 25 years by paying 5 years of maintenance(annual fee times 5)and Christmas, New Year, and Easter weeks not included. Mayan also sells fractional time shares for 250 thosand US Dollars.

Since that is an absurd price to me I was ready t go, also oting that at this point we have spent over 3 hours there. But no they would not let us go as they said when we came in. They tried to give us a better deal. The ultimate low deal ended up with 2 studios per year for 25 yars with February and March being blocked out for 7900 dollars.

When I told the rep that this was not satisfactory, and I would much more prefer the original deal initially offered for the low price, he told us that I am insulting his intelligence, and would not only not sell us a unit at any price, but we were not the proper class of people who belonged in the complex as owners.

The rep also threatened to report our payment of 300 dollars to the IRS, to which I told him to go right ahead.

Let us just say at this point we were rady to go having now spent over 4 hours of our vacation here.

Upon leaving you go through an exit interview with the developer, where they offer you the same 2 weeks as the 49,900 deal for 5000 dollars that is correct at 90 percent discount for 25 years, no exchange fees, and annual maintenance if you use your week of 399 dollars only if you use your week, plus an extra annual maintenance fee every 3 years. When I balked, they threw in a one week cruise to Alaska, . Mayan Riviera or Carribean on any cruise line. When I said no, they again reduced the price to 3000 dollars plus all the other features as the 5000 deal but no cruise. Having thought about all this I declined, since they can only guarantee exchange into Mayan resorts but not into anywhere else.

So having spent most of my day here, please all of you note that you can indeed have a Mayan resort room for 3000 dollars and perhaps even less if you are willing to waste your time.

Note further that upon leaving those who got our taxi and who work for Mayan try to get you to visit other time shares again the next day.

In addition to a somewhat lousy breakfast they paid our transport to and from the hotel, plus 300 dollars in cash.

So to all of you who wish to spend time here, just skip the nonsense and tell the Mayan rep you want the developer's

offer of 3000 dollars or less, and do not waste you time otherwise.

Note further, I am willing to bet the same kind of deal will be available to you in other then Cabo area as well, so I am posting this in alll the TA forums where Mayan resorts is located.


SDPadreFan
San Diego...
852 forum posts
1. Re: grand mayan timeshare nightmare
Jun 03, 2007, 2:58 AM
Unfortunately, the subject of Mayan Palace timeshare nightmares have been discussed on this forum to exhaustion. I wish you had done a search on timeshare presentation's on this board before your trip because then you would have surely avoided the Mayan Nightmare.

There are much better presentation's to go to in the future.


NewGrama
Anacortes...
2,702 forum posts
2. Re: grand mayan timeshare nightmare
Jun 03, 2007, 11:05 AM
I'm sorry about your nightmare. We've started calling the place "The Mayan Prison" on this forum because of reports like yours. Thanks for reporting so that others will be warned about their tactics

[Chris McDonagh]

Our law firm represents clients who are buyers of Las Palomas Seaside Golf Community condominiums seeking a return of their deposits based on the cancellation option in the purchase contract and based on rights under various U.S. federal and state laws, including RICO and the Interstate Land Sales Full Disclosure Act. In connection with our clients’ RICO (i.e., unlawful acts) claim, we are interested in speaking with other Las Palomas buyers about their dealings with Las Palomas, Abigail Properties, and individual sales agents, representatives or principals, including Alan Mishkin and Steven Barger. Among other things, we are interested to speak to any Las Palomas buyers who saw or responded to advertising in Arizona or elsewhere in the U.S., if they believe there were any misrepresentations in the sales process (e.g., how buyer deposits were to be held or used by Las Palomas, status of construction financing and construction schedule, whether Las Palomas was being developed and/or managed by developers from the U.S.), and what representations have been made to buyers about the so-called “force majeure” court ruling. If you have any information that may be relevant to our clients’ claims, please contact Chris McDonagh at Raven, Clancy & McDonagh, P.C. in Tucson, Arizona at (520) 798-5233 or by email at cmcdonagh@ravlaw.com. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide.

[jerry]

Woo!!!! Some real estate slingers just felt there butts clinch..Rico!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Crap time to packup the old Gold Blazer,the fake passport and whats left of the kickbacks and head to Panama.
Man this is just what we all warned all the RockyPoint Boosters about 4 years ago.When you guys blindly attacked anyone calling bull**** on these obviously insane projects( (I received friggin death threats) you ended up shooting yourself in the foot. This project South of me has all kinds of peoples money and as of last week the only thing down there is a new bunch of squatters with some nice goats.
Dryheat if you have not jumped off the roof of your Dubai condo could you maybe admit you were off base on Las Palomas?

[Roberto]

(I received friggin death threats)
/QUOTE]

That was just another step in protecting the US from the Red Menace and all the commie, pinko, ratfinks.

[QUOTE]
the only thing down there is a new bunch of squatters with some nice goats.


What color are the goats?

[jerry]

The goats are all black,which may be a bad omen.The Santo Tomas guys are fighting with a new bunch of squatters in some land they own down south too.It is a pretty good racquet if time is an issue
Now everyone is just waiting them out.Any owners at Paridiso might want to look into hiring some security guards before the goat herder owns the place.

[Roberto]

The goats are all black, which may be a bad omen.


Hmm, sounds bad to me! I was hoping for piebald. The good thing for you about all the problems down there is that it's reduced the number of competing houses for sale in the area!!

Isn't waiting them out a bad strategy? The longer they are on it the better their claim?! Si O no? Ya gotta fence it all in too.

[jerry]

you have to fence but they have a way of being cut so you need a guard.The claims can go on for ever, even bogus ones so a lot of times they make a good buck off it.The Santo Tomas guys never pay a bribe,answer all complaints quickly,fire back harder and help out in the community.Still they are always dealing with it.

[Kenny]

Dryheat if you have not jumped off the roof of your Dubai condo could you maybe admit you were off base on Las Palomas?

Who knows Jerry, http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_10.gifmaybe he owns a gold Blazer.

[playaperro]

Hey Chris ever heard of Francisco Hernandez Mandujano Aka El Ladron working the Las Conchas vecinos...

[dry heat]

ok ok, here is the deal. I admit that I did not expect such a drastic fall in prices. I did plan on holding my condo for at least 5 years and fortunately paid cash for it. I will probably hold it for more like 8 years now. This attorney that is trying to capture money from the developer won't find any money anywhere. I have yet to hear of a succesful case in which someone was paid from a Puerto Penasco project. When buying in Puerto Penasco I went with the largest and biggest and only purchased because they had already built something and had something to show for it. I feel bad for the owners who financed their purchses or are stuck in limbo waiting for a building to be completed. HOwever from what I hear the developer is offering to move these owners to units that are completed in phase 2. Have yet to jump off since I spend less that what I have. Don't buy something unless you can pay cash for it- regardless of what it is.

[rockyptjoe]

Now what happens with these large complexes when the owners stop paying the exorbitant maintenance fees, and the whole place goes to pot....with no buyers in sight???

[Chris McDonagh]

BeachDog,
I hadn’t heard of Francisco Hernandez until I read the discussion on this site about him. It sounds like the type of nightmare scenario that feeds into the fear that keeps a lot of gringos from ever buying property in Mexico. That’s unfortunate, because in general Mexico has legal protections for foreign owners that are typically better now than the negative reputation that persists. A will contest or probate dispute regarding who owns property after someone dies is not all that unusual in the U.S. So, in that respect, someone claiming to have a secret will is not something that is unique to Mexico or that you’re safe from in the U.S. Nor does justice always prevail in court in the U.S. or Mexico. But, at least to my knowledge, in the U.S. the police don’t take sides and evict someone in possession until after a final decision is made in court. That at least preserves a sense of justice and due process until there’s a trial. That doesn’t seem to be what happened to you, and it’s the type of thing that may cause people to fear that their property is not safe unless this is clearly resolved fairly by the court.
I like to think that buying property in Mexico can be made safe if done right. When I represent people buying Mexican property, I’m very focused on trying to eliminate as much risk as possible. We negotiate purchase contracts and work with experienced and reputable Mexican lawyers and notarios to do due diligence and whatever else is possible to minimize risk and to withhold as much as possible of the purchase price until transfer of legal title (not just signing a Promesa or delivery of possession).
But, unfortunately, even getting good title or a bank trust isn’t always enough to avoid legal disputes. I wish you luck.

[Chris McDonagh]

Dry heat,
Finding the money and collecting can be the tricky part, especially if your only claim is against the project. But our clients’ claims aren’t only against the Mexican company that owns Las Palomas. They are also personally against individuals in Arizona whom we understand have significant assets in the U.S. Las Palomas is letting Phase 3 buyers buy units in Phase 1 or 2 instead of the Phase 3 unit they have under contract. But my clients are not interested in that. They want their money back as promised under the purchase contract, because the units were not delivered by the delivery deadline. Las Palomas has claimed they are excused by a Mexican court’s “force majeure’ ruling, but three different Mexican lawyers have analyzed that court ruling and given legal opinions that the co-called “force majeure” ruling does not legally excuse Las Palomas from its obligation to refund the deposits per the contract. My clients signed their contract based on the refund promise and they just want the contract to be honored.
Good advice to pay cash and get property and title in hand if you can afford it.

[InkaRoads]

[QUOTE=Chris McDonagh;14814]BeachDog,
.........Mexican lawyers and notarios........

I believe that a Mexican Lawyer is called a "Notario" in Mexico, if you know better could you please clarify since there are many people here that do not know the difference and might think that a mexican Notario is the same as a "notary public" in USA

[playaperro]

Chris,
Thanks for taking the time to read and reply to the Story about Francisco EL Ladron..

Inka. Betcha 3 Tecates @ the Depot you are wrong. He worded it right..

[Mentiras y Traición]

Chris,
Thanks for taking the time to read and reply to the Story about Francisco EL Ladron..

Inka. Betcha 3 Tecates @ the Depot you are wrong. He worded it right..

Thanks, Playa!

[dry heat]

not having any affiliation with the developer or previous partners... you may be wasting your time trying to re-coup any part of your clients down payments. Said assetts in the US are not present per a few sources I have. You may want to research what they actually have in the US before proceeding, because if that is what you are going to go after you may not find anything of value tied to their LLC. In addition I have not seen any previous cases succeed in the collection of damages from a mexican development who registered in the US (see other failed developments in puerto penasco, cabo and puerto vallarta). I personally don't see an ice cubes chance in hell you will succeed in collecting any money for your clients. If you do collect, I will quickly put down my money for your retainer fee to handle my 35 properties and refer you to anyone I know that will benefit from your services- because you will be walking on water if your clients are able to collect.

[Wahoo]

Chris,
Thanks for taking the time to read and reply to the Story about Francisco EL Ladron..

Inka. Betcha 3 Tecates @ the Depot you are wrong. He worded it right..


All "Notarios" in Mexico have to be licensed Lawyers, but all lawyers are not "Notarios".

In Mexico a Notario is the independent Lawyer/Notary required in a Real estate transaction.

So a Notario is a lawyer but a Lawyer is not necessarily a Notario. A notario is a seperate licensed specialty for a Lawyer, and yes they do perform services such as the Notary in the USA, serve as a Witness to the transaction. They also serve as "a testigo" that the papers are served and correct.

Si?

[JimMcG]

All "Notarios" in Mexico have to be licensed Lawyers, but all lawyers are not "Notarios".

In Mexico a Notario is the independent Lawyer/Notary required in a Real estate transaction.

So a Notario is a lawyer but a Lawyer is not necessarily a Notario. A notario is a seperate licensed specialty for a Lawyer, and yes they do perform services such as the Notary in the USA, serve as a Witness to the transaction. They also serve as "a testigo" that the papers are served and correct.

Si?

Pretty much so, but I would reemphasize that a Mexican Notario is much much more than a US notary.

[Chris McDonagh]

Wahoo and Jim pretty much covered the difference between notarios (who are lawyers) and other lawyers. The notario publico holds special powers and duties that other Mexican lawyers do not. So, the notario is not just far more than a US notary, they are also more than a regualr Mexican lawyer. Notarios have authority to perform certain governmental functions, such as protocolize real estate deeds and contracts for registration in the public registry, collect transfer taxes and income/capital gains taxes due on real estate transactions, serve as a witness for transactions, signatures, etc.

[Wahoo]

Many states in the US require a Lawyer to review your Closing Documents in a Real Estate Transaction.
All States in the US require Title insurance and an Escrow Officer, notary.

In Mexico a Title Co. is not required in a RE transaction and 95% never use title insurance.

The Mexican Notario serves this purpose, to do all that.

They are required to notarize, sign that the have reviewed Title and Liens etc. They serve as the Title search does in US. They do the service of the Title Co. The serve as the Escrow Officer and Notarize., and record the documents with the proper authorities. All transactions require a Notario in Mexico.

In US a cash deal, a Buyer can elect not to Buy Title insurance still can close; Not in Mexico. In US Title Insurance is required only because of the Lender making it a requirement to protect its interest.

In Mexico the Transaction is as good as the Notary employed. Unfortunately since they are independant they are not over seen by the Mex.Banking Commision, but the Bar, many are swayed to close deals where they never should have. It is the NOTARY that is KEY to a RE Transaction in Mexico.

"Notarios" fees are not regulated and they charge according to the moment and the client. The deal rest 95% on him, where as in the US there are many many players that provide protection.

[JimMcG]

Dry heat,
Finding the money and collecting can be the tricky part, especially if your only claim is against the project. But our clients’ claims aren’t only against the Mexican company that owns Las Palomas. They are also personally against individuals in Arizona whom we understand have significant assets in the U.S. Las Palomas is letting Phase 3 buyers buy units in Phase 1 or 2 instead of the Phase 3 unit they have under contract. But my clients are not interested in that. They want their money back as promised under the purchase contract, because the units were not delivered by the delivery deadline. Las Palomas has claimed they are excused by a Mexican court’s “force majeure’ ruling, but three different Mexican lawyers have analyzed that court ruling and given legal opinions that the co-called “force majeure” ruling does not legally excuse Las Palomas from its obligation to refund the deposits per the contract. My clients signed their contract based on the refund promise and they just want the contract to be honored.
Good advice to pay cash and get property and title in hand if you can afford it.


not having any affiliation with the developer or previous partners... you may be wasting your time trying to re-coup any part of your clients down payments. Said assetts in the US are not present per a few sources I have. You may want to research what they actually have in the US before proceeding, because if that is what you are going to go after you may not find anything of value tied to their LLC. In addition I have not seen any previous cases succeed in the collection of damages from a mexican development who registered in the US (see other failed developments in puerto penasco, cabo and puerto vallarta). I personally don't see an ice cubes chance in hell you will succeed in collecting any money for your clients. If you do collect, I will quickly put down my money for your retainer fee to handle my 35 properties and refer you to anyone I know that will benefit from your services- because you will be walking on water if your clients are able to collect.

Chris, thanks for contributing to the forum; I have to agree with Dryheat on this one. I wish you the very best in finalizing this situation with an equitable resolution for all involved, but so far I have never seen it accomplished in various resorts in Mexico, over the years. If you can manage to pull it off you, might want to increase the size of your legal team since I also will be sending you work.

There are many cases of Mexican attorneys taking the various cases until the money is used up, with no results. I have even had excellent results on one case only to to have the same attorney abscond with the money on the second case. The consensus of opinion was that political pressure on him prevented him from pursuing the case. However the money was never refunded.

Again, best wishes in the pursuit of justice and I will be looking forward to your updates.

Thanks again.

[Mentiras y Traición]

Frightening.

[Chris McDonagh]

DryHeat and Jim McG,

I hope you are doing well. I tried to send you a private message to follow up on our discussion here, but the website would not allow it. I’d like to talk to you when you have a chance about some things I would rather not discuss on the public forum, including an alternative prospect for some of the Las Palomas buyers (whose circumstances differ from others in certain critical respects) we believe have a strong case against a defendant in Arizona with substantial assets and insurance coverage that is not one of the people DryHeat is referring to.

I would be glad to discuss this with you, in case this would be of interest to you or other Las Palomas buyers. I’d also be interested in learning what you know that might be relevant to our clients. Feel free to call me (520-798-5233) or email me (cmcdonagh@ravlaw.com (cmcdonagh@ravlaw.com)) and we can arrange a time to speak by phone or meet in person. If you would like any more information about me or my firm, you can visit our website at www.markravenlaw.com (http://www.markravenlaw.com/). In case you are interested, the News Articles section of our site includes a recent article we wrote in the Arizona Journal of International Legal Practice regarding dangers of not having title or a bank trust for Mexican real estate, which is especially relevant for buyers in financially troubled developments. I look forward to speaking with you at your convenience.

Regards,
Chris

[mimmey]

I have family who lost alot of money on a Los Corales condo build that never did. I believe they worked through Liberty Properties in Az somewhere. Anyone else have information?

[cheatka]

That reminds me Jerry, I finally finished "Insurgent Mexico" by John Reed, What a great book. I savored it, and was portioning it out like it was a rare find; it is.

Thank you so much for lending it to me.

Kenny
I'm reading a book right now called "God's Middle Finger: Into the Lawless Heart of the Sierra Madre" By Richard Grant. It really does seem like its a lost cause as the drug cartels take over town by town and how ruthless they are just for the hell of it. They don't have to have a reason to kill you, they just do because its "fun"

[JimMcG]

I'm reading a book right now called "God's Middle Finger: Into the Lawless Heart of the Sierra Madre" By Richard Grant. It really does seem like its a lost cause as the drug cartels take over town by town and how ruthless they are just for the hell of it. They don't have to have a reason to kill you, they just do because its "fun"

“I never want to set foot in the Sierra Madre again,” he writes. “I was out of courage, out of patience, out of compassion.” It was an arduous trip for Grant, but readers will be glad that he took it. --George Cohen

After crossing the Sierra Madres, with my family, driving through the night due to unforseen delays, I felt very much the same way.

[tyler]

I might take her serious if her boobs weren't hanging out.

[Roberto]

[QUOTE=JimMcG;25450
After crossing the Sierra Madres, with my family, driving through the night due to unforseen delays, I felt very much the same way.[/QUOTE]

I crossed a few years ago, in a rented Neon with a girlfriend from Torreon. The last Pemex, probably at El Salto, (but I did not know it was the last one at the time) had a couple of pickups with a bunch of young guys hanging around the pumps, so I thought I'd hit the next one, whcih turned out to be in Matzatlan. After dark we got into a long convoy of logging trucks jake braking down the mountain, blap blap blap blap balp. They drive after dark because they cannot make the switchbacks and stay in lane. After dark they watch for oncoming headlights at the curves. When the road was clear ahead they would turn on their turn signals for me to pass. I could not see around them. At first I did not trust the system, but after some screaming from the novia, I'd just hook it out into the oncoming lane and jput my foot to the floor when the signal went on. A real brown pants experience. The road there is like the bloddy ALps, straight up one side of the road and straight down on the other. What with the trucks and worry about running out of fuel, it was a memorable trip to say the least. Managed to buy 10 liters from a local and used Jewish overdrive most of the way down the mountains to Matzatlan. Trip back was uneventful !! I guess I'd go back.

[Roberto]

I might take her serious if her boobs weren't hanging out.


And whose boobs would that be Mr. Pie ?? Too many sleepless nights Papa ??

[Kenny]

I'm reading a book right now called "God's Middle Finger: Into the Lawless Heart of the Sierra Madre" By Richard Grant. It really does seem like its a lost cause as the drug cartels take over town by town and how ruthless they are just for the hell of it. They don't have to have a reason to kill you, they just do because its "fun"

"Insurgents Mexico", the book I was reffering to is a gem, and a true story..Here's the review.

"John Reed was an American journalist who had been born into a life of luxury and ease but joined the socialist movement in the period right before World War I. A graduate of Harvard, he moved to New York where he became part of a circle of free-thinkers. He was very interested and involved in various workers' movements.

In 1913, he headed south with his lover the wealthy heiress and patroness of the arts Mabel Dodge to have a look at the Mexican Revoltuion. By that time, Mexico had been in upheaval for three years. In 1910, Francisco Madero, a wealthy landowner, had seized control of the government, overthrowing General Porfirio Diaz. When Madero failed to live up to his promises of land reform, he was in challenged by the peasant leader Emiliano Zapata. That revolution attempt would fail, but a group of rightist generals succeeded in assassinating Madero and replacing him with the American-backed restore the old dictatorship. With the help of the supposedly loyal General Huerta. Huerta was challenged, however, by Pancho Villa.

For four months, Reed would follow Villa on his march south from Texas through Chihuahua and south towards Torreon. Traveling not on an opulent train, but in the company of peons, Reed got to know firsthand the people who would support Villa in his ultimate overthrow of the Mexican government. This book tells in a very colorful fashion the story of those four months.

Reed would leave Mexico before Villa's job was finished. After a short time in the United States, he'd head for Europe, where he gained fame as a witness to the Russian Revolution. His most famous book would be Ten Days That Shook the World. The movie Reds, which starred Warren Beatty, would be about Reed and that portion of his life. "

[Roberto]

"Insurgents Mexico", the book I was reffering to is a gem, and a true story..Here's the review.

"John Reed was an American journalist who had been born into a life of luxury and ease but joined the socialist movement in the period right before World War I. "


Ha, it figures that the Commie, Pinko, Ratfink would have a book written by some no good socialist gad about.

Hey Jerry, loan me the book!!

[Terry C]

I'm reading God and Mr. Gomez now,,,funny so far

[Kenny]

Ha, it figures that the Commie, Pinko, Ratfink would have a book written by some no good socialist gad about.

Hey Jerry, loan me the book!!
I was going to point that out, but seeing that you were on line, I knew you would do it for me.:thumbsup: Rat fink is two words Roberto, two.:roll:..."gad", how choice!

[Roberto]

I like it better as one work anyway, better continuity. You missed the chance to write "egads, "gad", how choice"

[MIRAMAR]

God and Mr. Gomez reminds me of our experience building a house in Mexico w/ the Ejidos. A little corny, but almost everything that happened in the book happened to us or someone we know.

[Roberto]

There is a book that sounds similar written about New Mexico, The Milagro Beanfield War" takes place in Taos an incredibly funny, true to life book.

[Kenny]

There is a book that sounds similar written about New Mexico, The Milagro Beanfield War" takes place in Taos an incredibly funny, true to life book.
The movie is great!..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Milagro_Beanfield_War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Milagro_Beanfield_War)

[jeraldfler]

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