San Carlos to Penasco - Now 5 3/4 hours

tmotsinger

Eating Newbie Gringo Taco
Thought I'd roust this "ghost forum" with a quick update on Coastal Highway construction and other info from a Christmas Eve drive we did yesterday from San Carlos to Penasco, along the coastal route. Terrific trip, and much faster at 5:40 than I'd expected (the "normal" route through Hermosillo, Santa Ana, and Caborca is actually slower now at 6:30 or so).

Drive times:

San Carlos - Kino Bay 2:00
Kino Bay - Puerto Libertad 1:30
Puerto Libertad - Penasco 2:10

Road Conditions:

San Carlos - Kino Bay: Highway 15 (toll road) north 40 km to the Pemex/Oxxo at Mex 61 on the left, signed to Kino Bay. Road condition ranged from "not bad" to "quite poor". Paved, but in some places you wish it weren't so the dirt and sand could just smooth themselves out. Lots of potholes, so a car would have to go much slower. I'm lucky to have a truck with oversize tires and computerized Air Ride suspension, so the holes were really just a little chatter at 60 mph. Go left (west) when you hit the Kino-Hermosillo Highway and through Miguel Aleman to the Coastal Highway. Pemex-up in Miguel Aleman. 170 km; 2:00.

Kino Bay - Puerto Libertad: Go right (north) at the Coastal Highway, even with Calle 36 south. It's well-signed. This road will be the "new" coastal highway soon, but for now, it's a bumpy 2-laner without shoulders...yet way smoother than the first leg. One cursory military checkpoint close to the end. Absolutely gorgeous drive through the wild Sonoran Desert, capped with a breathtaking view of the Sea of Cortez as you drop into Libertad. Drop down to the beach for a beer or picnic under the palapas right before town, and check out the shipwreck. Only one Pemex here, and not another for 100 km, so if it's out of fuel, I REALLY hope you gassed up down south. Limited dining in this little industrial village, so we just grabbed some stuff at the grocery/hardware store on the main, divided drag. 169 km; 1:30.

Puerto Libertad - Puerto Penasco: This is where you get to enjoy the new Coastal Highway in all its deliciousness. Great surface, great signing, and a spectacular routing that keeps you up in the Sonoran Desert, but with punctuated views down to the sea. Oddly, the turnoffs to the beach towns aren't signed, so we missed Puerto Lobos. Didn't see another car for the first 48 miles north of Libertad. All paved now, except 2-3 miles of graded dirt detour near Santo Tomas. Then it's back to the regular, bumpier surface on into Penasco. One cursory military checkpoint. 220 km; 2:10

Other Notes:

Google and Apple Maps are good for maps and distances for the first two legs, but they WAY overestimate the drive times. They don't give you a routing for Puerto Libertad - Penasco, telling you the equivalent of "Imbecile, you can't get there from here."

The app "CityMaps2Go" gives you an offline map of Sonora that recognizes most of the new Coastal Highway north of Libertad, and it's good for little place names along the way. But it's otherwise not very detailed.

So Kino Bay is now less than 4 hours away from Penasco. Libertad and all the "eastern" beach towns between Penasco and there can be explored in little more than a morning. And even the Seri Villages like El Desemboque del Seri--normally reached from Kino Bay--are now reachable by day trip from Penasco. As the Coastal Highway construction continues east of Penasco and south from Libertad, things will just get better!

The beach on the south side of Libertad. The shipwreck is just left of my daughter.

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tmotsinger

Eating Newbie Gringo Taco
Even a late lunch in Guaymas!

Before yesterday, I last traveled it on washboarded dirt and sand a couple decades back, camping gear on board. It's set up to be a world-class destination drive now.
 
Even a late lunch in Guaymas!

Before yesterday, I last traveled it on washboarded dirt and sand a couple decades back, camping gear on board. It's set up to be a world-class destination drive now.
That is a great report, when the road is finished, how long do you estimate the trip from San Carlos to RP will take?
 

tmotsinger

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The newly constructed route north of Puerto Libertad was comfortably about 6 mph faster than the old surface elsewhere, on balance. So maybe 5:15 for the whole trip, if the improved coastal highway were extended all the way from Penasco to San Carlos.

Not at all worth waiting to use what's there right now, in my opinion. It's a great drive. In my experience, it's no longer the "back way" to Hermosillo/San Carlos/Guaymas. It's the best way.
 

mermaid

Guest
I agree, this is a great drive. I have have taken this route a few times in the past year or so. A much more relaxing drive with beautiful views. Once you know what sections have potholes and slow it down a little it is no problem.
Just keep in mind that there is not much traffic on this road, and it might be best to travel with another vehicle.
 

Roberto

Guest
A wise precaution traveling this route is to not leave the highway and avoid after dark travel. So do not go wandering around the ranch roads. Call me whatever name you want about my posts. If there is a lot of objection I'll keep it to myself and to my friends directly.
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
Thanks for the report! I've never gone that whole route from Penasco, only as far as Lobos. Usually when I'm headed to San Carlos, it's from here in the PHX area, so it makes more sense to shoot down through Nogales rather than go through Penasco. However, when (one of these days) the coastal route is finished, it would be great to go down and pick up the boat in RP and head to San Carlos for billfishing in the summer.
 

JimMcG

Guest
Thought I'd roust this "ghost forum" with a quick update on Coastal Highway construction and other info from a Christmas Eve drive we did yesterday from San Carlos to Penasco, along the coastal route. Terrific trip, and much faster at 5:40 than I'd expected (the "normal" route through Hermosillo, Santa Ana, and Caborca is actually slower now at 6:30 or so).

Drive times:

San Carlos - Kino Bay 2:00
Kino Bay - Puerto Libertad 1:30
Puerto Libertad - Penasco 2:10

Road Conditions:

San Carlos - Kino Bay: Highway 15 (toll road) north 40 km to the Pemex/Oxxo at Mex 61 on the left, signed to Kino Bay. Road condition ranged from "not bad" to "quite poor". Paved, but in some places you wish it weren't so the dirt and sand could just smooth themselves out. Lots of potholes, so a car would have to go much slower. I'm lucky to have a truck with oversize tires and computerized Air Ride suspension, so the holes were really just a little chatter at 60 mph. Go left (west) when you hit the Kino-Hermosillo Highway and through Miguel Aleman to the Coastal Highway. Pemex-up in Miguel Aleman. 170 km; 2:00.

Kino Bay - Puerto Libertad: Go right (north) at the Coastal Highway, even with Calle 36 south. It's well-signed. This road will be the "new" coastal highway soon, but for now, it's a bumpy 2-laner without shoulders...yet way smoother than the first leg. One cursory military checkpoint close to the end. Absolutely gorgeous drive through the wild Sonoran Desert, capped with a breathtaking view of the Sea of Cortez as you drop into Libertad. Drop down to the beach for a beer or picnic under the palapas right before town, and check out the shipwreck. Only one Pemex here, and not another for 100 km, so if it's out of fuel, I REALLY hope you gassed up down south. Limited dining in this little industrial village, so we just grabbed some stuff at the grocery/hardware store on the main, divided drag. 169 km; 1:30.

Puerto Libertad - Puerto Penasco: This is where you get to enjoy the new Coastal Highway in all its deliciousness. Great surface, great signing, and a spectacular routing that keeps you up in the Sonoran Desert, but with punctuated views down to the sea. Oddly, the turnoffs to the beach towns aren't signed, so we missed Puerto Lobos. Didn't see another car for the first 48 miles north of Libertad. All paved now, except 2-3 miles of graded dirt detour near Santo Tomas. Then it's back to the regular, bumpier surface on into Penasco. One cursory military checkpoint. 220 km; 2:10

Other Notes:

Google and Apple Maps are good for maps and distances for the first two legs, but they WAY overestimate the drive times. They don't give you a routing for Puerto Libertad - Penasco, telling you the equivalent of "Imbecile, you can't get there from here."

The app "CityMaps2Go" gives you an offline map of Sonora that recognizes most of the new Coastal Highway north of Libertad, and it's good for little place names along the way. But it's otherwise not very detailed.

So Kino Bay is now less than 4 hours away from Penasco. Libertad and all the "eastern" beach towns between Penasco and there can be explored in little more than a morning. And even the Seri Villages like El Desemboque del Seri--normally reached from Kino Bay--are now reachable by day trip from Penasco. As the Coastal Highway construction continues east of Penasco and south from Libertad, things will just get better!

The beach on the south side of Libertad. The shipwreck is just left of my daughter.

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Great report! We drove from San Carlos to Penasco in this past July by way of Santa Anna/Caborca although we dearly wanted to use the partially completed Costero, but we're talked out of it by virtually everyone we talked to. I am looking forward to driving it soon.
 

JimMcG

Guest
A wise precaution traveling this route is to not leave the highway and avoid after dark travel. So do not go wandering around the ranch roads. Call me whatever name you want about my posts. If there is a lot of objection I'll keep it to myself and to my friends directly.
Keep posting, Roberto. I enjoy your insight and local expertise. It is easy to get wires crossed on a forum.
 

Roberto

Guest
I do not post the majority of what I 'Hear' as it is mostly rumor anyway. Posting that suff could creat hysteria. Sometimes it all falls together but not often. I was given the above advice by a friend who I am completely confient know whats what. He did not say do not use the highway, he just said don't go wandering around off the highway.
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
He did not say do not use the highway, he just said don't go wandering around off the highway.
With good reason. That is very remote territory. Flying over in a small plane recently, I was fascinated by just how desolate the whole area between Lobos and San Carlos really is. Whole lot of nothing but trouble back in them parts, I'm sure!
 

DeeDee

Guest
We are planning on coming down again this winter, however we thought we would visit San Carlos first. We are coming from the north west, (Canada, normally cross Lukeville) should we drive to Nogales then go down or cross at Lukeville then travel Hwys 2,3,4 then 15? what is the best route. Thanks
 

Stuart

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Staff member
90 mile difference in the two routes from the Phoenix area with Nogales being the shorter route. If you are coming from west of that, Lukeville would probably be the better choice.
 

DeeDee

Guest
Thanks Stuart, will go that way then. Easy border to cross. Just didn't know about going route 2.
Thanks again
 
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