Insulated Concrete Forms
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lagrimas85
AKA Carnac
The Village project in Las Conchas was built entirely, using that system, the houses after being stuccoed had cracks everywhere, but I don't think it was the styrofoam block, that csused it, also after you pass the first circle k coming into town, on the east side of the, highway there is a bright green house, built using the same block..The owner there may be able to answer your questions, I stopped and talked to him as it was going up...The block can be purchased in Mexicali...
Halieus Corp in Puerto Penasco indicates on their website that the built a home (Residencia Williams) in Playa Encanto but I don't know where it is located. They also built a home in Los Portales named Residencia Ohland but I also don't know which home it is. Guess I'll have to contact the company and see if they can give me some directions. Anybody have any experience with Halieus Corp?
Ron
We built our carwash and storage units out of ICF in Puerto Penasco. We used Block Mex ICF'S, not the best. We have a development and construction company in the states and in Mexico an have built many ICF projects
We are the distributor for Fox Blockx in the western US.
I would be happy to answer any questions you may have about ICF construction, just let me know.
We built our carwash and storage units out of ICF in Puerto Penasco. We used Block Mex ICF'S, not the best. We have a development and construction company in the states and in Mexico an have built many ICF projects
We are the distributor for Fox Blockx in the western US.
I would be happy to answer any questions you may have about ICF construction, just let me know.
dirtsurfer
Guest
ICF construction is worth the investment if you intend to hold on to the structure. In my experience in Phoenix most investors want to utilize the least expensive and easiest to build construction technique because the project is usually sold shortly after it is built. If one does venture into ICF construction then make sure vet out a very experienced builder to do the work.
I would bet the problem with stucco cracking in Penasco is due to material and installation deficiencies. I only use one or two stucco contractors in Phoenix because of the inherent issue of stucco cracking. With all cement products: stucco, concrete slabs.....the nature of the material is to crack.
I would bet the problem with stucco cracking in Penasco is due to material and installation deficiencies. I only use one or two stucco contractors in Phoenix because of the inherent issue of stucco cracking. With all cement products: stucco, concrete slabs.....the nature of the material is to crack.
PintoPoint
Guest
I am building a house in Cholla Bay out of ICF's. We used Fox Blocks which is a great product, easy to use and you can be as creative as you want. I will complete my last wall sections in October when it cools down. As far as cracking of the stucco, if you use the proper material there is no cracking.
Rick
Rick
Cortez: Have you built any homes in PP that I could visit?
Rick: Could I visit your construction site in Cholla? I'm in Playa Encanto. Are you building it yourself or are you using a local contractor?
Jerry: Why wouldn't you use ICF again? Would you use cinder block instead? Did you find it hard to work with? Not cost effective?
Thanks all for your comments.
Rick: Could I visit your construction site in Cholla? I'm in Playa Encanto. Are you building it yourself or are you using a local contractor?
Jerry: Why wouldn't you use ICF again? Would you use cinder block instead? Did you find it hard to work with? Not cost effective?
Thanks all for your comments.
PintoPoint
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Ron,
I will be not be down until October but I can let you know when I am comming and you are welcome to come and see. I am building it myself. I took a training course from American Polysteel. I also have some great traing material you are welcome to. I have a local contactor that I trained to install the ICF'S. Send me a private message and I will get you my contact info.
Rick
I will be not be down until October but I can let you know when I am comming and you are welcome to come and see. I am building it myself. I took a training course from American Polysteel. I also have some great traing material you are welcome to. I have a local contactor that I trained to install the ICF'S. Send me a private message and I will get you my contact info.
Rick
PintoPoint
Guest
Jerry, I am using a product out of Las Vegas called StuccoMax. The beauty of this product is that it can be used over ICF's, CMU blocks or drywall. It contains no cement products and is not affected by salt. They also make a product called PlasterMax for the interior walls. StuccoMax is applied in two coats, the finish coat can be applied about twenty minutes after the first.
jerry
Guest
Ron I have seen the fox block at Border Products and it is nice system.I am just not sure some of these new reflectant stucco mixes combined with block or even adobe might not do just as good a job or better cheaper. Love my little Perform Wall house and the 90 to 10 structural mix has some advantages http://www.performwall.com/ but with the improvement in high seer minisplits I am not sure chasing higher R value it is worth the cost.
Ron We have not built any homes but have built commercial buildings in PP.
We never use a cement based stucco over ICF, we use a synthetic stucco system which includes a base coat or (brown) coat of a Drivit product called Primus which is cement mixed with a latex sand aggregate, it goes over a tight weave fiberglass mesh which eliminates any cracks from forming. Next we apply a elastic synthetic stucco such as Drivit, or Senergy for the finish color coat. This system eliminates most if not all cracks.
We have found that ICFs add $2 to $5 per square foot of house foot print over wood framing or CMU construction, with a 100% more insulating R value, you can also use 1/3rd to 1/2 less BTU's in your HVAC units.
With ICF construction you have a structural reinforced concrete structure which is insect (termite) proof, wind proof, sound proof, earthquake proof, bullet proof. energy efficient structure .
When you are choosing ICF units look for the full concrete forms which have no foam from inside to outside of wall like the mex block ICF which is a post and beam construction where on a grid system leaves places where foam goes all the way thru the wall.
We never use a cement based stucco over ICF, we use a synthetic stucco system which includes a base coat or (brown) coat of a Drivit product called Primus which is cement mixed with a latex sand aggregate, it goes over a tight weave fiberglass mesh which eliminates any cracks from forming. Next we apply a elastic synthetic stucco such as Drivit, or Senergy for the finish color coat. This system eliminates most if not all cracks.
We have found that ICFs add $2 to $5 per square foot of house foot print over wood framing or CMU construction, with a 100% more insulating R value, you can also use 1/3rd to 1/2 less BTU's in your HVAC units.
With ICF construction you have a structural reinforced concrete structure which is insect (termite) proof, wind proof, sound proof, earthquake proof, bullet proof. energy efficient structure .
When you are choosing ICF units look for the full concrete forms which have no foam from inside to outside of wall like the mex block ICF which is a post and beam construction where on a grid system leaves places where foam goes all the way thru the wall.
PintoPoint
Guest
Cortez2,
Are these products readily available in Rocky Point. One of my problems was getting five pallets of StuccoMax from Las Vegas to Rocky Point.
Rick
PintoPoint
Guest
The StuccoMax that I want to use is sensitive to humidity prior to application. As people on this forum can tell you I am slow at building. I assume my stucco process might last five months because I only work on the house 4 day a month. What I plan on doing is bringing it down one pallet at a time in the bed of my truck and appling it all.
PintoPoint
Guest
I need approximately 8200 Square feet. This is all dry powder which needs to be kept dry until use.
Roberto
Guest
I owned a home in Penasco built by Dave Roberts, of Capones. You could talk to him at Capones. I was told it was built with Rasta block or something similar. Styrofoam sections filled with concrete and lots of rebar. Builder friend in NM told me that construction was earthquake proof. The walls were nice and thick like an old adobe.
I had a problem with cracking on an outside wall but after some thought noticed it happened only on a wall with the main entry door which was used a lot by children and slammed shut. After the kids moved out I had it patched and no more slamming and no more cracking.
Had some friends in the stucco business in NM and they were fanatical about using only sharp sand that came from a crusher. I cringe when I see sand scooped from the street and mixed. The rounded grains do not lock in resulting in more cracking.
I restored an old adobe in NM and used the two step interior product but did not apply the second coat. It looked like plaster in an old house, with stains, swirls and such. I loved it for restoration as it did not look sterile.
I had a problem with cracking on an outside wall but after some thought noticed it happened only on a wall with the main entry door which was used a lot by children and slammed shut. After the kids moved out I had it patched and no more slamming and no more cracking.
Had some friends in the stucco business in NM and they were fanatical about using only sharp sand that came from a crusher. I cringe when I see sand scooped from the street and mixed. The rounded grains do not lock in resulting in more cracking.
I restored an old adobe in NM and used the two step interior product but did not apply the second coat. It looked like plaster in an old house, with stains, swirls and such. I loved it for restoration as it did not look sterile.