this could help

Well, yeah.
You know the thing is, is that I know very few people that don't use it. Those that do not smoke use edibles or even liquids. And I have a varied group of friends. It's not just that I hang with a group of stoners.

It doesn't take much to get a card and there is no such thing as "Regular" (reg's) anymore. The streets are flooded with high quality Named strains that people can pick and choose from.

Current laws and regulations do NOT keep teens from acquiring and using so that argument is fairly moot. And ironically teens are using, but fewer drink and smoke cigarettes.
To me that says that the socially accepted norms are changing and more different types of teens view it as acceptable. Not just that it's everywhere.
http://consumer.healthday.com/kids-health-information-23/adolescents-and-teen-health-news-719/teen-use-of-alcohol-tobacco-declining-study-finds-701523.html

Legalized it. Pay for the things the state needs like Education, etc.. Stop helping fund the criminal aspect of a substance the government has very limited control of and tax and regulate it.
No Brainer.

So, you and your friends are the ones supporting the cartels. :eek:

ron said:

So, you and your friends are the ones supporting the cartels. :eek:

Ron we buy American......the heroin comes after the Pharmaceutical companies started over prescribing oxy...now clamped down and Mexican brown is the solution to the oxy shortage...

ron said:

So, you and your friends are the ones supporting the cartels. :eek:

You don't know much with that comment. The cartels aren't growing and importing Pharmaceutical grade.
All the stuff around comes from Cali., Colorado, Oregon and Canada!
Look what prohibition did FOR the Mafia(cartels).

"Criticism remains that Prohibition led to unintended consequences such as the growth of urban crime organizations. As an experiment it lost supporters every year, and lost tax revenue that governments needed when the Great Depression began in 1929."
http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/prohibition/unintended-consequences/
"The unintended economic consequences of Prohibition didn't stop there. One of the most profound effects of Prohibition was on government tax revenues. Before Prohibition, many states relied heavily on excise taxes in liquor sales to fund their budgets. In New York, almost 75% of the state's revenue was derived from liquor taxes. With Prohibition in effect, that revenue was immediately lost. At the national level, Prohibition cost the federal government a total of $11 billion in lost tax revenue, while costing over $300 million to enforce. The most lasting consequence was that many states and the federal government would come to rely on income tax revenue to fund their budgets going forward." (11 billion $ in 1929 = 151.1 billion $ in 2015)


Does any of that sound recently similar?

How much longer should the war on drugs drag on because drinking is seen as being so much more socially acceptable?

Read!
"Since its inception in 1971, the U.S.’s war on drugs has cost more than USD one trillion,[1] yet it has failed to rein in the drug epidemic.

The war on drugs has dramatically overcrowded prisons in the U.S., which now has a higher incarceration rate than any other country in the world.[2]

The U.S.’s rabid demand for drugs and Mexican cartels’ demand for U.S. weapons have exacerbated drug-related violence and corruption in Mexico and Central America.

Despite exhortations from academics and politicians, the current administration refuses to allow any intellectual space for debate on U.S. drug policy."

http://www.coha.org/the-anniversary-of-the-us-war-on-drugs/

Nope, I don't know a lot about Pot, don't use it. Guess the Mexican Pot is only used for fertilizer. You can now get off your soapbox.

ron said:

Nope, I don't know a lot about Pot, don't use it. Guess the Mexican Pot is only used for fertilizer. You can now get off your soapbox.

Ron...I think you really really need Pot

ron said:

Nope, I don't know a lot about Pot, don't use it. Guess the Mexican Pot is only used for fertilizer. You can now get off your soapbox.

Sorry didn't mean to be so preachy.

jerry said:

Ron we buy American......the heroin comes after the Pharmaceutical companies started over prescribing oxy...now clamped down and Mexican brown is the solution to the oxy shortage...

Interesting coincidence, story today.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33964832

Hillbeartoe said:

Interesting coincidence, story today.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33964832

The epidemic that nobody wants to talk about finally gets some attention. Great idea but vastly underfunded. $5 million won't even get this off the ground. I sure hope it receives add'l funding because it is desperately needed. Educating our children, starting at home and continuing from elementary school through high school and college should also be a part of this thing.

It's all a bunch of bullshit.
The biggest cartels are the Pharmaceutical companies and the FDA.
People spending their time worrying about weed when the "System" is turning people into addicts before they are out of Elementary school.
http://www.newsweek.com/fda-approves-oxycontin-use-children-young-11-363606

Interesting that the mafia/prohibition example is being used in support of legalizing marijuana in the USA. The central lesson from prohibition is being missed.

After prohibition was repealed in the US, organized crime didn't go away. Instead it moved into other illegal enterprises such as gambling, prostitution, heroin, loan-sharking and extortion, and took over unions, trucking, construction, vending machines and various other legitimate activities. Today we're seeing the same things in Mexico with the lime growers in the south and the panga fishermen in the Sea of Cortez. An illegal industry in which sociopathy is a key job skill is now diversifying in Mexico just as it did in the US.

While it's true that marijuana prohibition in the US helped criminal gangs in Mexico achieve critical mass (money and influence), legalization wouldn't have much impact at this stage. If the US legalizes pot, the thousands of Mexicans currently depending on marijuana exports to the US will not suddenly abandon a life of crime for careers as insurance salesmen. They'll just look for other illegal alternatives to replace the lost income. And those alternatives will be pretty ugly as most will involve at least the threat of violence.

And even if Mexico suddenly stopped trying to smuggle any marijuana whatsoever into the US, there's still heroin, cocaine, methamphetamines and whatever else comes along. There are always ways for ruthless and violent people to make money. How do you like this one?
http://www.businessinsider.com/this-mexican-town-is-the-sex-trafficking-capital-of-the-world-2015-2

audsley said:

Interesting that the mafia/prohibition example is being used in support of legalizing marijuana in the USA. The central lesson from prohibition is being missed.

After prohibition was repealed in the US, organized crime didn't go away. Instead it moved into other illegal enterprises such as gambling, prostitution, heroin, loan-sharking and extortion, and took over unions, trucking, construction, vending machines and various other legitimate activities. Today we're seeing the same things in Mexico with the lime growers in the south and the panga fishermen in the Sea of Cortez. An illegal industry in which sociopathy is a key job skill is now diversifying in Mexico just as it did in the US.

While it's true that marijuana prohibition in the US helped criminal gangs in Mexico achieve critical mass (money and influence), legalization wouldn't have much impact at this stage. If the US legalizes pot, the thousands of Mexicans currently depending on marijuana exports to the US will not suddenly abandon a life of crime for careers as insurance salesmen. They'll just look for other illegal alternatives to replace the lost income. And those alternatives will be pretty ugly as most will involve at least the threat of violence.

And even if Mexico suddenly stopped trying to smuggle any marijuana whatsoever into the US, there's still heroin, cocaine, methamphetamines and whatever else comes along. There are always ways for ruthless and violent people to make money. How do you like this one?
http://www.businessinsider.com/this-mexican-town-is-the-sex-trafficking-capital-of-the-world-2015-2

That's all fine and dandy but at this point in time it's not about what the cartels will or will not do if we legalize pot. It's about rescinding laws that put our brothers and sisters in jail for the use of Marijuana.

"If the US legalizes pot, the thousands of Mexicans currently depending on marijuana exports to the US will not suddenly abandon a life of crime for careers as insurance salesmen. They'll just look for other illegal alternatives to replace the lost income. And those alternatives will be pretty ugly as most will involve at least the threat of violence."
I agree. Personally, as I stated above I haven't even heard of any Mex weed in ages. I think it's just a distraction from the Heroin and Meth.
But in the end the real issue is that any illegal enterprise that is flourishing is just meeting a demand.
And it's not just Mexico. The US demand has stuff coming in from all over the world.
Whats that say about us? A nation full of addicts.

Kenny said:

That's all fine and dandy but at this point in time it's not about what the cartels will or will not do if we legalize pot. It's about rescinding laws that put our brothers and sisters in jail for the use of Marijuana.

Yes, at the very least use or small scale possession should be De-criminalized.

Hillbeartoe said:

Yes, at the very least use or small scale possession should be De-criminalized.

That was done in Oregon back in 73 and a law that makes it legal to posses but illegal to supply is dumbass and no real answer to the problem. We've come to far for the "very least", it's time to get real about Marijuana and our
judicial system.

Kenny said:

That was done in Oregon back in 73 and a law that makes it legal to posses but illegal to supply is dumbass and no real answer to the problem. We've come to far for the "very least", it's time to get real about Marijuana and our
judicial system.

Yeah that was strange. It needs to change on the Fed level and then it will all fall in line.

Hillbeartoe said:

Yeah that was strange. It needs to change on the Fed level and then it will all fall in line.

It's kind of like opening a lake to swimming and fishing but posting the land around it no trespassing, punishable by law.

Or how about ignoring testing a potential useful treatment because of a bad attitude about the drug and not much else.


http://borderland-beat-forum.924382.n3.nabble.com/Resolute-Parents-Demand-Marijuana-Treatment-for-Children-td4086870.html

Roberto said:

Or how about ignoring testing a potential useful treatment because of a bad attitude about the drug and not much else.


http://borderland-beat-forum.924382.n3.nabble.com/Resolute-Parents-Demand-Marijuana-Treatment-for-Children-td4086870.html

And not to mention,

Hemp is not Marijuana http://www.leafscience.com/2014/09/16/5-differences-hemp-marijuana/

ron said:

Hemp is not Marijuana http://www.leafscience.com/2014/09/16/5-differences-hemp-marijuana/

My mormon farmer buddies in San Simon are already planning to grow hemp...weed too come 2016

ron said:

Hemp is not Marijuana http://www.leafscience.com/2014/09/16/5-differences-hemp-marijuana/

ron said:

Hemp is not Marijuana http://www.leafscience.com/2014/09/16/5-differences-hemp-marijuana/

And they knew that but in their rush to outlaw the "killer weed" they lumped them together. You could smoke a ton of "ditch weed" and all you would get was a headache.

Did anyone know that Hemp helped us win World war two and that's when the saying "smoke some rope" came to be.

The ban on growing hemp was temporarily lifted in 1942 when the US government launched the “Hemp for Victory” campaign encouraging farmers to grow hemp in support of war efforts. Hundreds of thousands of US hemp acres were harvested for rope, fire hose, sails, parachutes and even uniforms. Then, in 1957 hemp was once again banned.

The Naval Reserve in Nebraska had huge fields....we filled the van with it on a run to Boulder in 71 to buy Coors...sold all the beer back at Purdue but ended up giving the hemp away on Halloween...

Lol.
Noice.