Tucson chamber visits Peñasco

Started by mexicoruss · Aug 30, 2015 · 43 replies

mexicoruss Aug 30, 2015 at 12:18 PM #1

News article

JimMcG Aug 30, 2015 at 5:38 PM #2

mexicoruss said:
News article

What are you taking away from this article, Russ?

mexicoruss Aug 30, 2015 at 5:57 PM #3

JimMcG said:
What are you taking away from this article, Russ?

Things are going to get interesting very soon here. I think in a good way for the most part.

jerry Aug 30, 2015 at 7:46 PM #4

"additional 300 meters will be built at a 45-degree angle to reach the 60-foot depth needed by the cruise ships.". This part is when it will get "interesting".

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Kenny Aug 30, 2015 at 8:50 PM #5

jerry said:
"additional 300 meters will be built at a 45-degree angle to reach the 60-foot depth needed by the cruise ships.". This part is when it will get "interesting".

Only need 45 or so feet when you have a big tide like the one this weekend.o_O

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El Gato Aug 31, 2015 at 10:18 AM #6

Any more information on the Phoenix to Penasco air flights?

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Roberto Aug 31, 2015 at 1:45 PM #7

From the article: the public-private partnership in charge of the construction is back on track and very optimistic.

Anyone know who the partners are and about the terms of the partnership agreement ?

I really do not think there are 10,000 permanent US residents in Penasco !!
With over 10,000 Americans living in Puerto Peñasco

mexicoruss Aug 31, 2015 at 2:59 PM #8

You are probably right Roberto... discredit the whole article because you dont agree on the number of Americans living here. For the purpose of the article it really does not matter the actual number of gringos living here I think the number is around 6000 but have no data to prove it. I think it will rise as opportunities become more visible. It was a good summary on a good exploration into new business opportunities.

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brokenwave Aug 31, 2015 at 4:10 PM #9

10,000+ US residents?
Depends on if one views the glass as half full or half empty.;)

I would imagine during the summer months, there is less than 1500 full time US residents and during Oct-June there are 6000-8000, No data.
Just my observations during all my trips and having conversations with those who live there most of the year.

jerry Aug 31, 2015 at 4:18 PM #10

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2015/08/14/news/juan-estrada-v-hernan-marquez-david-sanchez-v-luis-concepcion-set-for-september-in-mexicos-concepcion-set-for-september-in-mexico. This may end quick...

mexicoruss Aug 31, 2015 at 4:29 PM #11

jerry said:
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2015/08/14/news/juan-estrada-v-hernan-marquez-david-sanchez-v-luis-concepcion-set-for-september-in-mexicos-concepcion-set-for-september-in-mexico. This may end quick...

Your high quality sources seem to be more interested in me meeting Colombian women....just a question.......Jerry do you ever have an original thought, or is all of it copy and paste? Just asking

Roberto Aug 31, 2015 at 4:43 PM #12

mexicoruss said:
You are probably right Roberto... discredit the whole article because you dont agree on the number of Americans living here. For the purpose of the article it really does not matter the actual number of gringos living here I think the number is around 6000 but have no data to prove it. I think it will rise as opportunities become more visible. It was a good summary on a good exploration into new business opportunities.

Mira Pendejo;
Nothing was said to discredit the article, except a mention by you. It was merely an offhand observation. You do have a way of doing exactly what you accuse Jerry of doing, attacking someone who makes a comment inconsistent with your distorted belief system. I am please to bring some interest to your life though, giving you something to complain about. Nothing to complain about the other inquiry? Maybe you have to work a little more on that one. Sheesh, grow up will ya.

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mexicoruss Aug 31, 2015 at 4:55 PM #13

Sorry and no....in that order

Hillbeartoe Aug 31, 2015 at 6:07 PM #14

mexicoruss said:
Your high quality sources seem to be more interested in me meeting Colombian women....just a question.......Jerry do you ever have an original thought, or is all of it copy and paste? Just asking

Lol, you don't like his original thoughts, comments, likes or more or less anything to do with Jerry. Don't make it seem as though you have a chance at agreeing on anything. Hehe. :)

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Hillbeartoe Aug 31, 2015 at 6:08 PM #15

Roberto said:
Mira Pendejo;

That is hilarious.

jerry Aug 31, 2015 at 7:31 PM #16

mexicoruss said:
Your high quality sources seem to be more interested in me meeting Colombian women....just a question.......Jerry do you ever have an original thought, or is all of it copy and paste? Just asking

You seem like you might need a Colombian night out Senior Cranky! So the link was to the fight on the 26th...rising star...washed up veteran.

TICO-T Aug 31, 2015 at 9:13 PM #17

jerry said:
You seem like you might need a Colombian night out Senior Cranky! So the link was to the fight on the 26th...rising star...washed up veteran.[/QUOT

TICO-T Aug 31, 2015 at 9:16 PM #18

jerry said:
You seem like you might need a Colombian night out Senior Cranky! So the link was to the fight on the 26th...rising star...washed up veteran.

Is that Senior citizen cranky or Senor cranky like in Spanish? I'm still learning from you folks. I think.

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jerry Aug 31, 2015 at 9:43 PM #19

TICO-T said:
Is that Senior citizen cranky or Senor cranky like in Spanish? I'm still learning from you folks. I think.

I have Donald Trump spell checker... English only

dry heat Aug 31, 2015 at 10:00 PM #20

Roberto, I think they mean owners with permanent residence status (this is easier for the goverment to track when it comes to statistics). This would include all the US residents who own their units and rent them out (many hardly come down, but they may have permanent residency status). So I could see 10k or so with 'residency' status.

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brokenwave Sep 1, 2015 at 9:32 AM #21

dry heat said:
Roberto, I think they mean owners with permanent residence status (this is easier for the goverment to track when it comes to statistics). This would include all the US residents who own their units and rent them out (many hardly come down, but they may have permanent residency status). So I could see 10k or so with 'residency' status.

IDK about that many absentee owners? it's possible, but wouldn't many of the renters be from the US? Let's run some numbers.

To support a number of 10,000 with RP, having a 50-60,000 population with these 10,000 US included,
would mean a ratio of 4 1/2 Mexicans to one from the US. I have never seen a ratio of US people that high, (other than some of the bar/restaurants)
it is more like 10-12 to one.
Bear this out by going to the grocery stores, Bodega, Sam's, etc. the ratio is 10-1 Mex/US or higher.
(sometimes when we're at Super Ley, we are the only Gringos in there)

I have seen many times where some RP official will report some very inflated numbers on big weekends, I have seen it over and over the past 20 years.

Doesn't having 10,000 people to pitch to sound much better than 2,000?

In the end the boosters have to paint a nice rosy picture in order to attract all the investment $$ they so desperately want.
And by stretching the truth a bit, goes along way to achieving that goal. Upbeat news is better than downbeat news
(this not only a RP behavior, all boosters promote like this for their pet projects all over the world)
Down off my, box of soap.;)

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JimMcG Sep 1, 2015 at 10:09 AM #22

I think the important consideration is whether or not the movers and shakers can remedy the existing problems and deliver on their latest upbeat projections. Restoring lost credibility would be a good first step.

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mexicoruss Sep 1, 2015 at 10:24 AM #23

you guys are funny

wildtoucan Sep 1, 2015 at 10:47 AM #24

Phx mecican consulate said there has been a huge increase in perm. res. For puerto penasco.

jerry Sep 1, 2015 at 3:17 PM #25

It is a natural landing spot for Mexicans deported blended families,American contractors with judgements ( check Az supreme Court data for some familiar names) and early retirement types...the future is bright ...now is the time to buy!!!!

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mexicoruss Sep 1, 2015 at 3:52 PM #26

I got nothing........

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Roberto Sep 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM #27

brokenwave said:

To support a number of 10,000 with RP, having a 50-60,000 population with these 10,000 US included,
would mean a ratio of 4 1/2 Mexicans to one from the US. I have never seen a ratio of US people that high, (other than some of the bar/restaurants)
it is more like 10-12 to one.
Bear this out by going to the grocery stores, Bodega, Sam's, etc. the ratio is 10-1 Mex/US or higher.
(sometimes when we're at Super Ley, we are the only Gringos in there)

It helps me to imagine a group that large to get an idea if it is reasonable. If you placed 10 people in a row with 10 more 5 feet behind that group would cover about 5,000 feet or one mile. Gives you a visual idea what 10K people would look like. That's a lot of folk. Yes I am often the only non native in the stores, even the Bodega.

And by stretching the truth a bit, goes along way to achieving that goal. Upbeat news is better than downbeat news
(this not only a RP behavior, all boosters promote like this for their pet projects all over the world)

Exactly. While presented as a 'news' article it is a good example of what we used to fall a 'puff piece' supporting something or the other. Lots of positive talk but few actual facts and of little of consequence. Small town papers need to do this to survive. It was not an 'Advertorial' per se but close to one. MOst people who read them know this already.
Down off my, box of soap.;)

Roberto Sep 2, 2015 at 12:17 PM #28

Hmmm, maybe I made it all up as there is no reference in the online posted article to the 10,000 OR the private-public group ???o_Oo_Oo_O

Kenny Sep 2, 2015 at 1:03 PM #29

Roberto said:
Exactly. While presented as a 'news' article it is a good example of what we used to fall a 'puff piece' supporting something or the other. Lots of positive talk but few actual facts and of little of consequence. Small town papers need to do this to survive. It was not an 'Advertorial' per se but close to one. MOst people who read them know this already.
Down off my, box of soap.;)

Mmmmmm, where I'm from I think we just call it Bullshit.:D

Roberto Sep 2, 2015 at 1:34 PM #30

Kenny said:
Mmmmmm, where I'm from I think we just call it Bullshit.:D

In fairness to the publication is is the hometown paper for Sierra Vista and they do a nice job covering local news that no one from out of town cares about. Soccer teams, etc. Fills a useful void in local info for the locals.

brokenwave Sep 2, 2015 at 2:40 PM #31

Roberto said:
Hmmm, maybe I made it all up as there is no reference in the online posted article to the 10,000 OR the private-public group ???o_Oo_Oo_O

Nothing against you, Roberto. Just the overflowing glass of optimism the report had in it.
For a project of this magnitude to succeed, RP needs to take the training wheels off the bike and do this thing the right way, very quickly,
There are many support services for this that need to get updated in such a short amount of time, 2017 is right around the corner.

Roberto Sep 2, 2015 at 3:20 PM #32

Seriously, look at the original article. Those references no longer appear in the article !! Some one must have scourged them !!

brokenwave Sep 2, 2015 at 5:16 PM #33

Roberto said:
Seriously, look at the original article. Those references no longer appear in the article !! Some one must have scourged them !!

Humm! That article is missing much of the info from when I originally read it. They must follow this forum. LOL

Hillbeartoe Sep 3, 2015 at 8:51 AM #34

brokenwave said:
Humm! That article is missing much of the info from when I originally read it. They must follow this forum. LOL

Ever get the feeling you are being watched?

"Can you help me occupy my brain?"

Arizona2010 Sep 23, 2015 at 9:47 PM #35

Would they have maybe factored in an average, for example if they included Americans in Puerto Penasco during La Semana Santa and all other major holidays to come up with that number?

garyd Sep 24, 2015 at 7:41 AM #36

mexicoruss said:
News article

Can you copy and paste the whole article so I do not have to join to read it?

MIRAMAR Sep 24, 2015 at 6:14 PM #37

Here's the full article:

http://www.azchamber.com/blog/puerto-penasco-is-destined-for-major-transformation/

garyd Sep 26, 2015 at 5:41 AM #38

Feels good to read something positive

jerry Sep 26, 2015 at 7:10 AM #39

"Diana Nieves explained that the construction company had determined that the natural rock they were using was not efficient. They stopped construction to strategize and after several months, began manufacturing a concrete product with local labor. The delay caused a challenge in the steady continuation of federal funds. Now, fortunately, after the brief delay, the public-private partnership in charge of the construction is back on track and very optimistic."

The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
William Arthur Ward

garyd Sep 28, 2015 at 6:27 AM #40

Which one are you?

jerry Sep 28, 2015 at 11:13 AM #41

garyd said:
Which one are you?

realist with pessimistic tendencies

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GV Jack Sep 28, 2015 at 12:30 PM #42

jerry said:
realist with pessimistic tendencies

I am shocked.

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Roberto Oct 2, 2015 at 6:36 PM #43

GV Jack said:
I am shocked.

stop sticking your fingers in the outlets

HILL BOY Oct 2, 2015 at 7:07 PM #44

It's all about the rock not the management stupid stupid next it will be we forgot to factor in salt water.

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