By the number of posts and threads lately, I believe this forum should change its name to "Rants and Raves Talk.net" instead of RockyPointTalk.net :eek3:
Agreed, lol. I've decided to stop even looking at Rants and Raves, much less posting there. I like the folks on this board, and I want to continue liking them without the acrimony of political/religious argument standing between us... ;)
By the number of posts and threads lately, I believe this forum should change its name to "Rants and Raves Talk.net" instead of RockyPointTalk.net :eek3:
Ink I think it's time for all of the people that read this forum to come down to RP and have some fun so they will have something to write about on the forum when they get back home...:roll:
the weather is changing... humidity has gone water temp is just right and the skies are blue with plenty of sunshine...:sunny: now how can anyone resist that?
p.s. leave the politics (POLI= many TICS= bloodsuckers) at home... relax a little, it will do you all a bit of good and maybe even bring a big smile to your faces...8-)
OK I pledge to sit on the beach , throw the frisbee to my dogs,fish a little and not comment in Rants and Raves for 30 days....(unless my comments about RP real estate issues are moved to the section by the powers that be) (or unless those Obama as Hitler pictures start poping up in the fishing section) (or unless that crappy Baccus bill becomes law)
I made it a policy a long time ago not to discuss religion or politics with my friends and family. I love them and want to keep them, even if they are wrong! LOL
By the number of posts and threads lately, I believe this forum should change its name to "Rants and Raves Talk.net" instead of RockyPointTalk.net :eek3:
Since most of the issues in the Rants and Raves section are readily available on thousands of web sites, and are mostly regurgitated left/right bull**** from the internet, I think it is worth considering.
Perhaps the Rants and Raves should be related to Rocky Point and Mexico in general.......maybe not.?:p
Since most of the issues in the Rants and Raves section are readily available on thousands of web sites, and are mostly regurgitated left/right bull**** from the internet, I think it is worth considering.
Perhaps the Rants and Raves should be related to Rocky Point and Mexico in general.......maybe not.?:p
We don't care for that caca down here, you can have it and them TOO...
Well ir is time to start going back down now that the weather is getting nice again.
More fishing repoprts etc and less cra#% to be read. I pulled my 5th wheel from Show Low and doing a couple of repairs prior to going to the beach again. Can hardley waite
ok to go over the history of Rants and Raves it was created because RP boosters became miffed forum members were bad mouthing our beloved little rathole turned future Acapulco over the drug war,real estate scams etc. and thought this was hurting tourism (think the city fathers in JAWS trying to keep shark attack quiet) So Rants opens and the racist Obama stuff started appearing in late night posts as the blood alcohol levels increased in one of our favorite posters...a good guy but a guy with a need to attack our presidents race.)
We responded...and responded...and well couldn't shut up...I suggest a truce (sort of like the Korean war) the forces of evil on one side and the forces of light on the other. Rants and raves goes back to RP related smackdown and the politics go elsewhere.
ok to go over the history of Rants and Raves it was created because RP boosters became miffed forum members were bad mouthing our beloved little rathole turned future Acapulco over the drug war,real estate scams etc. and thought this was hurting tourism (think the city fathers in JAWS trying to keep shark attack quiet) So Rants opens and the racist Obama stuff started appearing in late night posts as the blood alcohol levels increased in one of our favorite posters...a good guy but a guy with a need to attack our presidents race.)
We responded...and responded...and well couldn't shut up...I suggest a truce (sort of like the Korean war) the forces of evil on one side and the forces of light on the other. Rants and raves goes back to RP related smackdown and the politics go elsewhere.
The only problem with that, jerry, is the forces of evil are attempting to govern us.
Rants and Raves was created for whatever you want to Rant and Rave about. That's the purpose Tyler had in mind - Keep the main forums on topic for those regs and guests that want to read, learn, and discuss Rocky Point topics without having it become a political battlefield.
I have already put out word that I will delete posts that are of a "Rant and Rave" nature if they are posted in the Main Forums.
At this point, everybody seems to be doing just fine! Let's keep in that way. :-P
X-Costie, we used to call it a "summer feud" in Indiana farm country.
Hey,I'll keep firing I just would rather ***** about real estate scammers,crooked cops,the destruction of the sea of Cortez and Pigeon Coops rather than Honduras,Acorn or Bush but i can keep going.I do think Stewart should ban racist pictures of our president.The idiots that post them may find these pictures could come back to haunt them in the real world.
All is not as it appears. Our business is on the rocks and looks like it is going to fold.
Fortunately we have the 5th wheel paid for. When we go to Pinetop in the Summer and PP in the Winter we only stay for a few days and Edna has to get back to work to help handle all of the problems. Our Son who is supposed to be running the Landscape and Landscape Maintenance part of the business is a complete failure. He is on drugs and does not run his part of the business thus that is taking it all down the tubes.
Like I said it is not all that it appears. But if it goes bankrupt we will be fully retired.
All is not as it appears. Our business is on the rocks and looks like it is going to fold.
Fortunately we have the 5th wheel paid for. When we go to Pinetop in the Summer and PP in the Winter we only stay for a few days and Edna has to get back to work to help handle all of the problems. Our Son who is supposed to be running the Landscape and Landscape Maintenance part of the business is a complete failure. He is on drugs and does not run his part of the business thus that is taking it all down the tubes.
Like I said it is not all that it appears. But if it goes bankrupt we will be fully retired.
I hear you Bill, nothing worst than being an addicts addict. Here in tucson
their is a place where you can seek help 24/7. SAMAC will here you out and help you and your family.
Vaya con Dios..
All is not as it appears. Our business is on the rocks and looks like it is going to fold.
Fortunately we have the 5th wheel paid for. When we go to Pinetop in the Summer and PP in the Winter we only stay for a few days and Edna has to get back to work to help handle all of the problems. Our Son who is supposed to be running the Landscape and Landscape Maintenance part of the business is a complete failure. He is on drugs and does not run his part of the business thus that is taking it all down the tubes.
Like I said it is not all that it appears. But if it goes bankrupt we will be fully retired.
Bill, you are not alone on the drug problem. So many more people than you know experience this with those they love. It is a heartbreaker of gigantic proportions. My compassion and understanding to you and your wife. Lo siento, amigo!
Bill you need to see the big picture,The real estate agents/mortgage peddlers,appraisers and the big homebuilders ran a criminal conspiracy that flattened way smarter,better financed subs than you ,your son or me.We would run into big contractors with huge overhead telling us we were fools not to hire illegals. Those guys are now gone and things seem to be picking up a bit for us survivors. Hang in there!
The Lord only helps those willing to help themselves - I feel your pain, Bill. My wife and I watched our daughter spiral down the meth-addicted path for several years. Nothing we said or did made any difference. Everytime we thought she hit absolute bottom, there seemed to be an even deeper, newer low. We eventually took guardianship of her son at three years old and fully expected that we would receive a phone call at some point in the middle of the night from the police informing us she was dead. She eventually ended up in jail for close to a year.
That seemed to be the bottom. Since getting out of jail, she put her faith in god, lived with us for two years and became reacquainted with her son, got a job, bought a car, and just recently moved out into an apartment of her own with her son. She's been completely sober for more than two years now. No backsliding and she is looking towards the future. All very good things.
The bottom line is - an addict has to want to change their lives. Nothing you can say or do will change that. Most meth addicts will tell you there are only two ways out: 1. You quit, or 2. You die. It sounds like your son hasn't hit the bottom yet and I hope for both you and Edna that when he does hit it, it's in way that doesn't kill him.
A lot of people feel your pain. I lost a really good friend to meth, and another friend's son. We had a meth related murder in our family. I don't think anyone has come up with a viable answer to the problem. You win some, you lose some. Maybe it's part of our evolution as a species.
Thanks all We have been doing this for over 10 years no. In and out of rehabs, long periods of sober and back again. At one of his long term sobers he was even talking to youth groups for AAA. Don't think bad of us but we have given up.
NOBODY that has been through this will think bad of you in any way, shape, or form. Giving up is both common sense and a defense mechanism. You can can only take so much pain and heartbreak. It becomes debilitating after such a long period of time. You have to throw in the towel and say to hell with you, we're done and refuse to let you hurt us any longer. It's what we finally had to do.
NOBODY that has been through this will think bad of you in any way, shape, or form. Giving up is both common sense and a defense mechanism. You can can only take so much pain and heartbreak. It becomes debilitating after such a long period of time. You have to throw in the towel and say to hell with you, we're done and refuse to let you hurt us any longer. It's what we finally had to do.
See, Bill, we understand and we are here for you. The worst part is feeling like your alone in all this...no fricking way!
And hopefully by you giving up , he will realized that his support system is gone and hit bottom sooner, most of the time is what it takes. As a father is hard to see it happen but is the best you can do, then when you pick up the pieces and put them back together, he will hopefully will be strong enough to stay away for good!!!
Good luck and be stronger than it!
I believe it's called, being in a state of co-dependency with the addict you love so much. I can't begin to say that I know how it feels since we have not been unfortunate enough to be in that position. I do try to empathize with you however, but also feel that you should make the most out of the rest of your lives while you can.:sunny::fish:
I agree he might be able to turn it around if he sees the safety net is gone ,but the fact is the economy made it tough to make a buck even if you weren't high.
He, he gets back to a ten year old pickup,a dog,a sidekick,a rented room and works under the table the pressure is off and he might surface from the meth.Freud beat his drug habit by just doing so much of it he became bored with drugs(he used coke to get off heroin) after a while. The problem is not going broke until you reach that point.
Bill, I've been around recovery program's since 1969, that's when my father was allowed to be a part of the first federally funded program for alcoholics. It was at Camarillo State Mental Hospital in Cali.. They had a program for addicts as well. I'm a alcoholic, and addict. Alcohol is a drug, and that's my drug of choice. I'm chemically dependent, a addict.. I haven't had my drug ( alcohol) for over 10 straight years now, but there was a time when I had 12. The period in between those years is called a relapse, but it's not, it's hell.
The first time I quite, it was a 30 day program back in 83. I had stopped for my wife and kid's, and I stopped for my father who had relapsed in 77, and then made his way back to Phoenix. He hung himself in a cheap Motel down on Van Buren. I didn't know about his two Silvers and a Bronze until after. A lot of the men who came home from the war were like that. I did know that a very brave, intelligent and compassionate man was gone and thought if maybe I'd stayed in Cali, instead of going to Washington St when he started to drink again, I could have?
Anyway..I'm sitting in my house down in Phoenix with a nice boat in the garage, 2 cat's, and a dog, bla bla bla, but my wife was gone, and so were the kids. I hadn't had a drink in 12 years and I said, F it, then got up and went to the liquor store and straight to hell, then back.
I didn't stop drinking the first time for myself, I'd stopped for other people and when they were gone... This time it was for me, there was no one else left, no one to call. I finally asked for help and thank God it was there, I was ready. I'd made my way to Albuquerque and it was bad.
I haven't been to a meeting in a long time. I've been to plenty though, both AAA, and NA, remember, I'm a addict too, chemically dependent. I do 12 step work. I try to give hope and experience when I can. I try to let people know that there is hope, and that if I can do it, anyone can. Statistically, it's 1 in 10, and at my age, much worse.
If I'd stayed in California with my dad, I couldn't have saved him Bill, and trust me, knowing that to be true is a relief. Men have told me at meetings "my wife and kids don't understand how hard it is to stop, they don't support me" I say tough, if you don't do it for YOU, and do it now, don't matter, they'll be gone anyway.
No one "saved" me Bill, I had to save myself, and trust me again, I'm a tough stubborn SOB and my bottom is way down there.LOL I was lucky, I found out where to go for help, a program, and they had a spot for me. That's all I needed because I was ready. When your son is ready, all you can do is be there for him. You can't make him "ready".
I still come back to the first part of the serenity prayer, and I try to remember all the things I have to be grateful for when I find myself on the "pitty pot". ............................................................. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.
Bill, I've been around recovery program's since 1969, that's when my father was allowed to be a part of the first federally funded program for alcoholics. It was at Camarillo State Mental Hospital in Cali.. They had a program for addicts as well. I'm a alcoholic, and addict. Alcohol is a drug, and that's my drug of choice. I'm chemically dependent, a addict.. I haven't had my drug ( alcohol) for over 10 straight years now, but there was a time when I had 12. The period in between those years is called a relapse, but it's not, it's hell.
The first time I quite, it was a 30 day program back in 83. I had stopped for my wife and kid's, and I stopped for my father who had relapsed in 77, and then made his way back to Phoenix. He hung himself in a cheap Motel down on Van Buren. I didn't know about his two Silvers and a Bronze until after. A lot of the men who came home from the war were like that. I did know that a very brave, intelligent and compassionate man was gone and thought if maybe I'd stayed in Cali, instead of going to Washington St when he started to drink again, I could have?
Anyway..I'm sitting in my house down in Phoenix with a nice boat in the garage, 2 cat's, and a dog, bla bla bla, but my wife was gone, and so were the kids. I hadn't had a drink in 12 years and I said, F it, then got up and went to the liquor store and straight to hell, then back.
I didn't stop drinking the first time for myself, I'd stopped for other people and when they were gone... This time it was for me, there was no one else left, no one to call. I finally asked for help and thank God it was there, I was ready. I'd made my way to Albuquerque and it was bad.
I haven't been to a meeting in a long time. I've been to plenty though, both AAA, and NA, remember, I'm a addict too, chemically dependent. I do 12 step work. I try to give hope and experience when I can. I try to let people know that there is hope, and that if I can do it, anyone can. Statistically, it's 1 in 10, and at my age, much worse.
If I'd stayed in California with my dad, I couldn't have saved him Bill, and trust me, knowing that to be true is a relief. Men have told me at meetings "my wife and kids don't understand how hard it is to stop, they don't support me" I say tough, if you don't do it for YOU, and do it now, don't matter, they'll be gone anyway.
No one "saved" me Bill, I had to save myself, and trust me again, I'm a tough stubborn SOB and my bottom is way down there.LOL I was lucky, I found out where to go for help, a program, and they had a spot for me. That's all I needed because I was ready. When your son is ready, all you can do is be there for him. You can't make him "ready".
I still come back to the first part of the serenity prayer, and I try to remember all the things I have to be grateful for when I find myself on the "pitty pot". God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.
God, Kenny, that post is so frickin' courageous and generous it brought tears to my eyes. And that is not easy to do. You shared a piece of your soul to help someone else. Right on, my friend!
that's not true Kenny!
My sister has been trhu a lot and aknowledges that you have too!
I think your post was great and I think it takes one heck of a person to say what you said!
Don't forget the LOL at the end.
Bill,
You and your wife have done all you can until your son decides for himself.
You can not allow that to "take you both down" because hopefully he will get the help he needs, and when he does..he will need you then. Be Strong!
I admire you
Nah, I don't seethe anymore, I just kinda do a slow boil.
It's not about you!! You said "you bleeding heart liberal."
and I added what the troll said about me, "seething with hatred"..A joke, of course I'm not.. Pissed, now don't get me started..LOL
Thank you by the way, no biggie. Anything else, just ask.
It's not about you!! You said "you bleeding heart liberal."
and I added what the troll said about me, "seething with hatred"..A joke, of course I'm not.. Pissed, now don't get me started..LOL
Thank you by the way, no biggie. Anything else, just ask.
Don't worry, I can't even figure out how to spell seeth, seethe, or whatever the heck it is.
Once, when I was working at PSA and USAir was buying us, one of my ramp supervisors called me and said he got a call from USAir asking what my "capacity" was. He said he told them "limited" then had to call me and laugh for about a day. That confused a lot of people.
Thanks all We have been doing this for over 10 years no. In and out of rehabs, long periods of sober and back again. At one of his long term sobers he was even talking to youth groups for AAA. Don't think bad of us but we have given up.
Bill,
Sometimes not giving up means the appearance of giving up. Letting them go to jail when there is a problem is sometimes the best thing. If they steal from you , have them arrested. Don't bail them out if they land in jail. They get dried out and get some motivation. Sounds bad , but that's tough love and it works.
Hey Bill, I'm so sorry for opening that can of worms. I did not mean to imply that your life is a walk in the park. I know--I'm in the same boat somewhat. My 26 year old son started doing meth in high school and I was so blind.....had no idea that it was going on. He's off it now but he LOVES his alcohol. We've been through it all--kicking him out, having him arrested, the whole nine yards. He's unemployed more than he is employed. When we would kick him out, "a mother's love for her child" would overwhelm me and I would let him come back. For soooo many years, I beat my head against the wall many times trying to figure out where I went wrong, what should I have done differently. Well, I finally came to my senses and told myself it was nothing I did. He was a teenager when he started, but he is an adult now and as such, must take responsibility for himself. He chooses to live his life this way and I can only hope that when we "evict" him (I drew up a rental agreement that states the term of the lease ends 12/31/09 and he has until 01/04/10 to be out), he DOES hit total rock bottom--it will be the only thing that can hopefully straighten him out. I am giving up once and for all--I've done everything I can--it's up to him. The funny thing about talking about this is that you think no one else is going through the same thing as you and talking about is somewhat embarrassing--I've many times felt people might judge me or look down on me because my son, for the most part, is a loser. But he choose's to be this way--I don't (or didn't) choose it for him. So, come 01/04/10, I will become woman (hear me ROAR) first and mother second. If the end result is not what I want or hope it to be, well then I guess it's just meant to be the way it is. A mother's love (and father's-don't get me wrong) is something so overpowering, but we mustn't let it rule our lives anymore. We just need to keep hoping and praying that they will finally figure it out. So, Bill, again I'm sorry to have stirred up what I know is a very emotional and trying time for you and your wife. I will be thinking of you both and wish you the best of luck. HANG IN THERE--YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!!!!!!!
Playa, I'm also in Tucson--can you give me more info on SAMAC. And Bill, everyone is right--you and Edna need to live your lives the way you want and if tough love is what it takes, then so be it.
Hey Bill, I'm so sorry for opening that can of worms. I did not mean to imply that your life is a walk in the park. I know--I'm in the same boat somewhat. My 26 year old son started doing meth in high school and I was so blind.....had no idea that it was going on. He's off it now but he LOVES his alcohol. We've been through it all--kicking him out, having him arrested, the whole nine yards. He's unemployed more than he is employed. When we would kick him out, "a mother's love for her child" would overwhelm me and I would let him come back. For soooo many years, I beat my head against the wall many times trying to figure out where I went wrong, what should I have done differently. Well, I finally came to my senses and told myself it was nothing I did. He was a teenager when he started, but he is an adult now and as such, must take responsibility for himself. He chooses to live his life this way and I can only hope that when we "evict" him (I drew up a rental agreement that states the term of the lease ends 12/31/09 and he has until 01/04/10 to be out), he DOES hit total rock bottom--it will be the only thing that can hopefully straighten him out. I am giving up once and for all--I've done everything I can--it's up to him. The funny thing about talking about this is that you think no one else is going through the same thing as you and talking about is somewhat embarrassing--I've many times felt people might judge me or look down on me because my son, for the most part, is a loser. But he choose's to be this way--I don't (or didn't) choose it for him. So, come 01/04/10, I will become woman (hear me ROAR) first and mother second. If the end result is not what I want or hope it to be, well then I guess it's just meant to be the way it is. A mother's love (and father's-don't get me wrong) is something so overpowering, but we mustn't let it rule our lives anymore. We just need to keep hoping and praying that they will finally figure it out. So, Bill, again I'm sorry to have stirred up what I know is a very emotional and trying time for you and your wife. I will be thinking of you both and wish you the best of luck. HANG IN THERE--YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!!!!!!!
Change just a few details, and I'm right there with you. May the Grace of God be with you both - and all of us that face this.
Playa, I'm also in Tucson--can you give me more info on SAMAC. And Bill, everyone is right--you and Edna need to live your lives the way you want and if tough love is what it takes, then so be it.
Beachgirl, SAMAC # in Tucson is 520 622 6000. They are for anyone seeking help! No charge.