Well sort of. This came to me from one of the sales dudes who was trying to sell me some type of "Green Stuff" investment opportunity.Man they are in trouble if they are counting on me!
As you may recall, I represented Liberty Cove Mexico for a few years. Since I always put my money where my mouth is, I invested $100,000 of my own funds right alongside of my investors. While I’ve not been with the project for over a year now, I continue to follow it from the outside. The project is alive and moving forward, and most recent news that 1) the $15 million coast highway is now 70% completed across the Liberty Cove property, with paving being done this month at the main entrance. And that 2) CEO Craig Ricketts has recently returned from New York, where based upon the Mexican government’s current initiatives, he was able to receive commitments from two private sources totaling approx. $25 million.
Good for your investment; bad for the environment and the native Seri. Still planning on the Monaco-style Grand Prix race track? And the huge marina? From what I recall of the early Liberty Cove advertisements (yeah, the "poster in the trailer" only on the Internet these days), this whole project was so way out of scale and far-fetched it was hard to imagine it ever becoming a reality.
You never know about things. As a boy I remember the bay area in Newport Beach california from the highway bridge back, was a swamp. Now a multi billion area.
Can anyone give me precise directions to PP from Los Angeles via the new Coastal Hwy? Google Maps doesn't seem to be updated, and I can't seem to find it anywhere else online.
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For Yuma-area residents looking for relaxation by the ocean, the community of El Golfo about 90 miles south of here in Mexico is a popular destination, so the recent opening of a shorter route to get there is welcome news.
Now, however, some concern is being raised about the new shortcut to the fishing community located at the northern edge of the Sea of Cortez because it involves a toll highway. Residents and merchants in El Golfo feel the toll - equivalent to about $7 in U.S. currency - is too high and will discourage visitors from coming down.
They are demanding that the state of Sonora reduce the toll for the highway, which begins south of San Luis Rio Colorado, Son., and goes south to El Golfo then on the Rocky Point (Puerto Penasco). Supporters of the lower toll are apparently ready to blockade the road in a protest if necessary.
We would be more understanding of this dispute if the only option was to pay the toll, but that is not the case.
Drivers have a choice. They can pay to use the new road which provides a much improved roadway and cuts about a half hour off the trip, or they can use the existing public highway that takes longer and is less improved.
Roadways are not free. When Mexican officials decided to provide a more convenient road to El Golfo they chose to make the users of the road - probably many of them from the United States - pay for the convenience. After all, Mexican taxpayers are already paying to maintain one public road to El Golfo.
But there is a way to avoid paying anything at all - just use the old route.
In the end, it will be up to the drivers to decide whether they value convenience or money. That's often the choice with toll roads.
Straight down the 5 to the 8 to Gila Bend to Ajo to Gringo Pass to R.P. ( The best so far, from Temecula)
We tried the "Coastal" from Yuma and the roads were real bad for quite a while.
Granted, this was 1 1/2 years ago. But some BIG holes so just be careful!
We took the new toll road this week end and it was perfect. Very fast. Starts about three miles east of San Luis crossing on HWY 2. Took it both ways. Much better/faster heading to Rocky Point. The toll road drops you just ahead of the federal check point.
Jerry, is the road totally done to libertad? Leigh
Leigh... when Rick and I went freediving in front of your place, we headed that way, we didn't go all the way to libertad because Ricks gas guage doesn't work and we weren't sure how much further we could go but we were over 15 miles from your place and there was a lot of beautiful new smooth road...
cool, I knew they were still going I was just wondering if they finally arrived, Hey I'll be down for thanksgiving if anyone wants to stop down , Leigh
Leigh... when Rick and I went freediving in front of your place, we headed that way, we didn't go all the way to libertad because Ricks gas guage doesn't work and we weren't sure how much further we could go but we were over 15 miles from your place and there was a lot of beautiful new smooth road...
Damn, same thing with my gas gage or i would have kept going on the gravel after the pavement ended..15 mile mark
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This is to Jerry, can you still talk about this project - Liberty Cove? Just interested. If you can, send me a message.
I know a guy in Tucson that was the translator for them...some interesting stuff but I'm in brush cutting as the fire approaches us...looking pretty good for us fire wise if i do say so!
Just thought I'd mention to the great work of the fire crews.Last night at dusk 100 plus went by my place and set up in a Canyon above us.They worked all night by the full moon and most likely saved my place,30 retreat cabins and Fort Bowie ....
Just thought I'd mention to the great work of the fire crews.Last night at dusk 100 plus went by my place and set up in a Canyon above us.They worked all night by the full moon and most likely saved my place,30 retreat cabins and Fort Bowie ....
Pictures of Puerto Libertad.I heard the Liberty Cove project is dead for now.They are not selling lots anymore...The proposed biodeisel plant is a pretty cool idea http://www.tierramerica.info/nota.php?lang=eng&idnews=3252 the blend of new tech and old power plants may get us someplace
Nice pic's. I've never been to Libertad, Lobos is as close as it's been for me. Reminds me a bit of San Carlos. What is left to do on the new road? I drove to Desemboque in Feb. 2011. Planning a trip tp San Carlos this fall.
Thx
Nice pic's. I've never been to Libertad, Lobos is as close as it's been for me. Reminds me a bit of San Carlos. What is left to do on the new road? I drove to Desemboque in Feb. 2011. Planning a trip tp San Carlos this fall.
Thx
I didn't go past Libertad but the road is a older paved road leading out of town South....I heard you can go all the way to Kino now
the new road construction starts at the big curve about 10 miles east of Santo Tomas but the first 2 miles an the new overpass are not quite done.You take a dirt road along the route for a bit then as you approach the Ejido Obregon (Santo Tomas turnoff) the road is done all the way to Libertad
Roberto said:
Hey Jer;
How far down the coast to pick up the highway and any of the coastal highway done up the coast from Desemboque?
Imagine that... I called it a scam the 1st time I looked at their original site years ago. As Barnum said, there's a sucker born every minute. Let's see, what made me think it was a scam... oh yeah, a huge formula one race track that would rival Monaco... a huge marina... and the fact that all this 8th wonder of the world stuff was being developed in the absolute middle of nowhere.
Sad for the fools that bought into that pipe dream. Good luck getting any of their money back.
angel sorry this happened to you or your friends but it might be worth something in the future....that race track thing was just insane...plus being down wind of a heavy fuel oil power plant was going to be a problem for anyone that thought about it for a bit
Awwwww. Sumbuddy's wittle fweelings got hurt. Truth hurts, I guess. Angel, if it's any consolation, you obviously weren't the only one sucked into the slick marketing dream known as Liberty Cove. Do some searching here; you'll find accusations of it being a scam going back to its announcement and inception.
Here's a good example from 2009; a shame I don't have the archives of the old forum, because it was discussed in detail back then, too. http://www.rockypointtalk.com/thread380.html
Mexico is littered with these tales of development dreams and woes. Why people put on the rose-colored glasses for these scams in Mexico is beyond me, when they would never invest a dime on a similar venture in the US.
Sorry if you lost money, Angel. But if you indeed did, I welcome you to share and post why you decided this was a good investment and what went wrong along the way so that others may learn.
On edit - Nevermind. User banned. AKA Happy, no interest in Liberty Cove whatsoever.
Happy broke in and scammed Stuart? I saw your emails Jerry between you and Happy and as you can tell I have nothing to do with your ongoing battle with him.
This might explain why ~~~"Happy"~~~ is such an unhappy fella. (go through this thread)
And Jerry; did you really, REALLY??? plunk down 100,000.00 US dollars on this? You a Sonoran "God'ess"? all knowing of this landscape~~~ yikes.
If you looke carefully, although not real clear, the first paragraph Jerry wrote copying a message from someone in the second who is the person how said they invested $100K, not Jerry.
100000 doesn't buy much when the salesmen are all crooks,the appraisers have their backs and the real estate agents are ...well real estate agents .Interesting the biodiesel guy that lost 200000 on a lot most likely was using German bank money..
Bruce Greenberg appraisal s have been used by many of breadwinner.
What do you mean Jerry? Greenberg is always publishing stuff abaout himself. Caca de Vaca???
Sorry typing from my kindle and the damn thing changes everything...it may be insane,,,
"Bruce Greenberg, principal of Tucson-based Bruce D. Greenberg Inc., real estate appraisers and consultants; and Valuaciones Montaña Verde S.A. de C.V., assigns a $605 million value to Liberty Cove on an "as if" basis" this guy was used by all the Sonoran Coast conmen from La Paloma to Libertad....screw him
The only thing Liberty Cove is good for is shore fishing.This guy has some nice photos and caught some nice sardineras from the rocks.Think I will see if the gate is open and give it a shot on the 28th of this month
Coastal Highway update.....So maybe out resident cheerleader can tell me why the mayor doesn't cleanup the trash dump between the airport and town.Hey the mayor is supposed to be a professor...is he a blind professor?
From past the Mayan the road is pothole city again......big trucks= big potholes
Good news! the Coastal Highway construction is going again! from Silvio Reyes Ranch to maybe 10 miles north about to the Military Checkpoint the road is gone.You drive on the dirt next to it...big rock trucks,mud and crazy assed Mexican drivers everywhere......still this is really going good....think twice about pulling something big.....
Coastal Highway update.....So maybe out resident cheerleader can tell me why the mayor doesn't cleanup the trash dump between the airport and town.Hey the mayor is supposed to be a professor...is he a blind professor?
From past the Mayan the road is pothole city again......big trucks= big potholes
If you want to experience a bad road, go on Ocana to Constitution then take Constitution north. Both Ocana and Constitution are cratered. One of the poorest areas of the city and most heavily used local roads. Some of the locals have gone out with dirt to fill some of the craters. The dirt roads are in better shape. I have often thought if the polticos had to drive there on the way to work it would get fixed.
Leigh it will still be torn up as the work heads North.I would not do it at night plus this morning the Military was really into searching cars and writing down vin from door frame at Heradura mine.....rained too and the road was about to become a mess