Group that was in our condo this week just reported they had to leave a day early because of no water. They said city is out of water as of today from holiday weekend crowds. Took them 2 hours to get into US side at the border as well. Can anyone confirm or deny how the city water situation is as of right now? We are headed down tomorrow AM.
Group that was in our condo this week just reported they had to leave a day early because of no water. They said city is out of water as of today from holiday weekend crowds. Took them 2 hours to get into US side at the border as well. Can anyone confirm or deny how the city water situation is as of right now? We are headed down tomorrow AM.
What condo? I thought they all had water storage tanks for backup.
In Las Conchas I have a faucet that taps the water supply in the street directly, not from the tank. I use it routinely to water plants. I have been checking it several time as day. I can confirm that the supply in Las Conches has been spotty for about a week. A dribble yesterday, none this morning. It has not been constant and reliable. When there is some supply it is much less than normal, low flow and pressure. Off much more than a short time on Friday. The water trucks have been rumbling past my casita again.
Update// Friday 6/2 . No water last night and no water at 9 AM.
As horible as many folks post, laguna shores water is still there every day. Sure, the tide goes way the hell out but the infrastructure is in place, operating currently at 15% of capacity, plenty of de-sal water. To each his own, but water is an important perk to anyone in rocky point. I like it, to those that hate....i wish you good luck, but things are are always available for me and i appreciate the availability of unlimited water. I hope that subdivisions across rocky point could learn by example. As far as the future of Rocky Point the mayor "Kiko" is looking at bids for de-sal for the city as it continues to grow and have water issues.
As horible as many folks post, laguna shores water is still there every day. Sure, the tide goes way the hell out but the infrastructure is in place, operating currently at 15% of capacity, plenty of de-sal water. To each his own, but water is an important perk to anyone in rocky point. I like it, to those that hate....i wish you good luck, but things are are always available for me and i appreciate the availability of unlimited water. I hope that subdivisions across rocky point could learn by example. As far as the future of Rocky Point the mayor "Kiko" is looking at bids for de-sal for the city as it continues to grow and have water issues.
Like he has any money....this is a regional issue..I don't see why Mexico can't get more Colorado river water..
Before any more know-it-all quips..........and FAKE NEWS
You might wanna just take a little day trip from San Luis Sonora over to Los Algodones Baja California and get an eye opener.
The road north from the main highway follows the dry Colorado River bed up to the Morelos Dam where ALL of the remaining river water is diverted into the canal that goes to the Mexicali Valley. At the Morelos Dam the USA pumps millions of gallons of fresh water every day into that canal from deep wells on the USA side of the border, in accordance with long ago agreed upon treaties between the two countries. It is MEXICO that diverts the last of the Colorado River water into that canal. The USA has nothing to do with the river water not reaching the Sea of Cortez. One block from my house which is about five miles from the Morelos Dam the river today is fifty or sixty feet wide and up to ten feet deep meaning that there is still more than enough water to reach the Gulf. When the river is in flood stage the dam drops gates that prevent the wild silty river water from entering the canal thereby allowing all of the river water to reach the Sea and thousands of saltwater Mullet to make spawning runs all the way to Yuma, I've seen it many times.
Did not consider the fish in the Sea of Cortez "Mexican" fish myself....just think the flow needs to be increased... Mexico does have leverage as whatever the U.S. does on the Colorado River could have knock-on effects elsewhere. In particular, the same treaty that governs the Colorado River also covers the Rio Grande, where Mexico is obliged to deliver water to the U.S.
Anyway, I'm sure that the Sea Shepard wankers are monitoring our scribblings at this moment. Tomorrow if not sooner our President will be held responsible for the "Vaquita Situation" and then to be blamed on Old White Racist American Men and not the most obvious Government of Mexico or Los Chinos Ricos de Chino Landia.
If the Colorado river water can't make it to the Gulf then the Toatoaba can't get frisky, If the Toatoaba can't get frisky then no mas Toatoabas bebes, If no mas Toatoaba bebes then the fifty thousand dollars "maws" become priceless (as per you post earlier today). All in all it's gotta be President Trumps fault.
There is no flow to be increased. The prehistoric water table level here in Yuma is dropping so fast now due to the Mexican water treaty that deep tap root trees and palms are now croaking and concrete home slabs are splitting to include my pool deck from subsidence. Those wells that pump water back into the riverbed must be re-drilled a hundred feet or more every year.
Mexico has as more coastline than any country on the planet other than us. Why in the hell are they not taking advantage of de-sal? The Sand Monkeys do it and do it well.
"Fifty years ago Aldo Leopold hailed theColorado River delta as North America’s greatest oasis: Two millionacres of wetlands, cienegas, lagoons, tidal pools, jaguars andmesquite scrublands. Today it’s a wasteland.
The mighty Colorado River nolonger reaches the Sea of Cortez. Its entire annual flow has divertedand spit out into hay fields, water fountains in front of Vegashotels and thousands of golf courses. The Colorado has been suckedup to the last drop.
It’s once lush delta is nowa salt flat, as barren as Carthage after Scipio Africanus tookhis revenge on Hannibal’s homeland. This estuary used to be oneof the wonders of the world: a vast wetland, teeming with morethan 400 species of plants and animals. In fact, like the Nile,another desert river, nearly 80 percent of the riparian habitatfor the entire Colorado River was once clustered near the mouthof the river. The shallow lagoons in the delta region are hometo the Vacquita dolphin, at four feet in length the world’s smallest,which is now on the brink of extinction, with only 100 animalsknown to exist. Dozens of other endemic species are in the sameshape.
And not just animals are introuble. The delta was once the cultural mecca of the CopachaIndians, who made a good living fishing the estuary. But thesedays the fishing boats are beached and the Indians and Mexicanresidents are in grinding poverty, forced to work multiple jobsin distant tortilla factories, maquiladoras and wheat fields.". The Glenn Canyon dam will come down...might be a while but this wrong will be made right
People , I have heard anyway, are stealing water from neighboring homes that are vacant .. Just hook up a hose and hope the circuit breaker to the pump is not off !!
I would mount a pump to suck water from the city supply line and into the tank so you get more water when it is available. When they shut the supply there is lots of water in the lines. I have one tank very low from the street and water runs in there after there is no pressure at the street, effectively draining water from the lines. A pump would scavenge that water to your benefit. Cheap and easy. I would also install an additional water tank. This problem is not going to go away quickly.
Sounds like water wars in the making! Seriously, I hope this gets resolved soon before there are bigger problems. Stealing from your neighbors will get ugly real quick.
I have come to my Miramar house and found a hose and extension cord running to the F-----ing rental house next door. I made sure this can never happen again. There is a guy in Miramar who installed his own solar powered
desalination plant. The system is small and produces enough clean water to keep two houses topped off (as I understand it the system cannot keep up with daily usage but with large tanks it is able to top off the tanks at night and the tanks are full in the morning or upon his arrival).
A homeowner in Encanto has one too except it runs off CFE power. Says it works great and other than periodic filter changes like a RO system it is low maintenance. He will build and install a personal system, been awhile but I think about 12K.
I have come to my Miramar house and found a hose and extension cord running to the F-----ing rental house next door. I made sure this can never happen again. There is a guy in Miramar who installed his own solar powered
desalination plant. The system is small and produces enough clean water to keep two houses topped off (as I understand it the system cannot keep up with daily usage but with large tanks it is able to top off the tanks at night and the tanks are full in the morning or upon his arrival).
Everyone with a stinking rental house next door shares your pain...found renters syphoning my ATV gas once
Thanks for the update,I have 3 tanks but 10 people coming this weekend. I upgraded years ago when we had similar issues, nothing said by the hoa in LC, they usually update when there are problems. Tanks alot Senor!
Ja ja ja ja. That never happened and I have not been able to determine what did happen. Monies were collected, allegations made and money paid was partially refunded. Prolly someone else on the forum can speak more clearly to the issue. Tends to be a touchy one.
Ja ja ja ja. That never happened and I have not been able to determine what did happen. Monies were collected, allegations made and money paid was partially refunded. Prolly someone else on the forum can speak more clearly to the issue. Tends to be a touchy one.
Too bad it didn't work out. It could have been a shining example of the future of RP. Something that other subdivisions could have copied, as well as the city itself. I hope the concept hasn't been abandoned and is still being pursued. Desal is the future and the future is now.
Ja ja ja ja. That never happened and I have not been able to determine what did happen. Monies were collected, allegations made and money paid was partially refunded. Prolly someone else on the forum can speak more clearly to the issue. Tends to be a touchy one.
They used the money to buy pvc pipe, glue and couplers. The rest went into the cruse ship dock. They voted and thought that was more important than clean water.
We have a US/Mexican contractor looking at de-sal in Playa Miramar. He's the person who brought electricity to our beach and his family lives there as well.
Water supply to the east side of Las Conchas has gotten worse in the past few days . Water trucks rumble by very frequently and I am near the end of the peninsula. No info on the rest of the town.
Water supply to the east side of Las Conchas has gotten worse in the past few days . Water trucks rumble by very frequently and I am near the end of the peninsula. No info on the rest of the town.
Roberto refresh my compass, the guard shack would be north and the beach would be west?
Some considerable improvement. Not available all day but keeping the tanks up.
Workers at neighboring house tapped one tank dry twice. Pressure dropped so pressure switch shut off the pump saving the motor but lost prime twice. Was not sure what was happening till they left a hose bib on the beachside open after pumping the tank dry. Forgot to close the hose bib. After priming the second time, Pump was not picking up pressure properly till I saw water flooding off the deck. I'll speak to the owners when they come to town. Workers are doing some planting along the beach.
Some considerable improvement. Not available all day but keeping the tanks up.
Workers at neighboring house tapped one tank dry twice. Pressure dropped so pressure switch shut off the pump saving the motor but lost prime twice. Was not sure what was happening till they left a hose bib on the beachside open after pumping the tank dry. Forgot to close the hose bib. After priming the second time, Pump was not picking up pressure properly till I saw water flooding off the deck. I'll speak to the owners when they come to town. Workers are doing some planting along the beach.
We have a floating disconnect switch in our tank. It is connected to an electric cable which is anchored to the foot-valve pipe. As the water level drops the float hangs down becoming inverted at one point which shuts off the power to the pump. It has saved our pump several times and the pump never loses prime. Once the water level in the tank rises the float comes up and the power is restored. Concerning your water theft issue, we replaced our hose bibs with the ones that require a key to turn on. No more problems.
Nothing worse than not being able to flush a toilet or 3, I got tired of that shit (pun intended) dug a hole, put in a huge tank in addition to my other 2. Can't see it and I can hold 2000 gallons now.
Nothing worse than not being able to flush a toilet or 3, I got tired of that shit (pun intended) dug a hole, put in a huge tank in addition to my other 2. Can't see it and I can hold 2000 gallons now.
Unless you are using a good volume routinely I would be concerned about stagnation and algae growth in the tanks. An occasional flushing would prolly be a good idea.
Unless you are using a good volume routinely I would be concerned about stagnation and algae growth in the tanks. An occasional flushing would prolly be a good idea.
We add a little liquid bleach to prevent that from happening.
Something us Americans need to do is like camping. The toilet may be the biggest user unless you do the , yellow be mellow brown goes down , thing. Shower on to wet, off to wash and on to rinse and you do not have to bathe every day. A wipe down with a wet cloth can be done. No washing machines. Our old RV held about 35 gal of water and it could last for several days.
Water to the Cholla fill station was sporadic at best yesterday and today. When I left today at 2:30, no water flow to the fill station.
Plenty of houses in Cholla needing water for those using their houses during the 4th weekend.
My neighbor finally got a water truck to deliver but was only given 1/3 of what was needed to fill his 2,000 gal tank.
Driver said plenty of others also need water.
Judging by the crowds in town tonight via a report from my wife and the non-stop traffic heading south I saw going home,
the water supply is going to be a problem this weekend. Hopefully it gets flowing enough to keep people with some water service.
Luckily I filled my tanks last time down.
Water supply to the east side of Las Conchas has gotten worse in the past few days . Water trucks rumble by very frequently and I am near the end of the peninsula. No info on the rest of the town.
Senor por favor keep us current with water concerns, everyone that has a pump and city water needs to check tank when we have a leak.
Supply is not continuous. Excellent pressure and flow last night. Mid day today no hay agua nada. Seems to me to be sufficient for modest use, certainly is for me and I water prolly 30 palms and miscellaneous other plants from the big tank . Solo yo en casa aqui.
Supply is not continuous. Excellent pressure and flow last night. Mid day today no hay agua nada. Seems to me to be sufficient for modest use, certainly is for me and I water prolly 30 palms and miscellaneous other plants from the big tank . Solo yo en casa aqui.
Maybe people can conserve the most precious thing we have as humans....20 minute showers? In our little project house in Cholla we conserve like crazy just like when we lived in our motorhome on the road. In general people in the rich countries waste water, not just a little but by a large margin. Hey when its gone its gone, then we are gone.
Maybe people can conserve the most precious thing we have as humans....20 minute showers? In our little project house in Cholla we conserve like crazy just like when we lived in our motorhome on the road. In general people in the rich countries waste water, not just a little but by a large margin. Hey when its gone its gone, then we are gone.
the Crummy Carnaval That Never Leaves...aka Rocky Point is in trouble. There really is no one answer.Stopping growth,desal,more wells are all not realistic.Playing out this bad hand will still be enjoyable most the time but...we are screwed.
Maybe people can conserve the most precious thing we have as humans....20 minute showers? In our little project house in Cholla we conserve like crazy just like when we lived in our motorhome on the road. In general people in the rich countries waste water, not just a little but by a large margin. Hey when its gone its gone, then we are gone.
I agree completely. We waste a tremendous amount of water. When we started coming to RP over 20 yrs ago we learned how little we really needed. The house we stayed at only had a small black plastic water tank. Navy showers were necessary and worked fine. Now we have a large tank but still try to conserve as much as possible. We have water saver shower heads and have set our water pressure on the low side. Every little bit helps. The underlying basic problem is while 71% of the earth is covered by water, only about 3 1/2% is fresh water and 2/3 of that is glaciers and polar ice caps. We need to conserve as much as possible but moving into the future I don't believe it will be enough. Coastal areas will have the unique opportunity to access the abundant salt water resource and generate fresh water through the desal process. Inland areas will need to look towards recycling wastewater which has been gaining popularity. Bottom line is we have the technology to do all this and the clock is ticking. We need to move forward with it now. Yes, there will be a price to pay, both initially and by the final consumer, but I don't see there being a choice. Gone are the days of cheap water. The price to the consumer will skyrocket, which will make water conservation necessary, and we will finally have a solution. IMHO
Maybe people can conserve the most precious thing we have as humans....20 minute showers? In our little project house in Cholla we conserve like crazy just like when we lived in our motorhome on the road. In general people in the rich countries waste water, not just a little but by a large margin. Hey when its gone its gone, then we are gone.
That's one of the perks of living in a 'rich' country. We waste lots and lots of other things besides water.
P.S. Water is never really 'gone'. In goes back into the earth and we continually reuse it.
P.S. Water is never really 'gone'. In goes back into the earth and we continually reuse it.
When infiltration is unable to replace groundwater as quickly as pumping removes it, the water table drops. Deeper wells could be dug to chase the table, but then the water table will just drop even further. Over the long-term, groundwater is a non-renewable resource in this situation, and won't be able to supply all the needed water. The population will either have to reduce its water usage, or find other sources of water.
Water tables are falling on every continent. Aquifer depletion is a new problem. Water tables are falling from the over-pumping of groundwater in large portions of China, India, Iran, Mexico, the Middle East, North Africa, Saudi Arabia, and the United States. India has the highest volume of annual groundwater overdraft of any nation in the world. In most parts of the country, water mining is taking place at twice the rate of natural recharge, causing aquifer water tables to drop by 3 to 10 feet per year.
Completely agree, conservation is the near term solution. Infrastructure improvements, De-Sal and conservation are the longer term solutions.
An example of conservation is, my wife and 3 girl friends are down for the 4th weekend and with 4 of them using everything have managed to use 1/2 of a (1100L tank) of water.
Completely amazing, just goes to show with 4 people using everything, they manage to use only 150 gallons over 1 1/2 days, this is how you can conserve water.
There is no water shortage in Phoenix because smart people planned in advance. In mexico things are done on short term bases only, "make my money now, who care what happens later". Same problem faces Hermosillo.
There is no water shortage in Phoenix because smart people planned in advance. In mexico things are done on short term bases only, "make my money now, who care what happens later". Same problem faces Hermosillo.
Well now that opens a new can or worms.....The Colorado naturally ran into the Northern sea of Cortes. Since 1964 that is not the case. Your crass statement is not needed. We are a town of 65000 and Phoenix is an unnatural city of 6-7 million. The only way Phoenix was to grow in the middle of the desert was to snag by any means water from literally everywhere. In the event of a major drought I would rather be with humble people who can do without than with a massive hoard of people who expect everything to be the same as it ever was - and when it isn't.........
There is no water shortage in Phoenix because smart people planned in advance. In mexico things are done on short term bases only, "make my money now, who care what happens later". Same problem faces Hermosillo.
You better check your sources because this is simply not true. The Colorado River is unable to maintain water levels in Lake Mead and Lake Powell which are Arizona's primary reservoirs. They supply almost half of Arizona's water and are at record low levels with no relief in sight. Engineers are already installing new hydropower electricity-generating equipment at Lake Mead to prepare for the contingency of the lake reaching so-called “dead pool” levels—below which the Colorado River will no longer be able to spin Hoover’s power-generating turbines. A new intake from Lake Mead to Las Vegas will come online later this year, allowing the city to essentially suck the lake dry, all the way down to the last drop.
Set to launch operations in 2017, the state’s first utility-scale ocean desalination plant is under construction in Ensenada, where residents have been subject to water rationing. The $48 million plant, a reverse-osmosis facility, would supply 5.7 million gallons daily to residents of the port city, part of a sprawling Baja California municipality that includes the San Quintin export-oriented agricultural region and the wine-producing Valle de Guadalupe.
Mexico’s National Infrastructure Fund has contributed $14 million for the project, while the North American Development Bank is providing a $22 million loan to the South Korean company contracted by the state to build the facility.
Really doesn't matter what the level of any lake, river or any other body of water is, CONSERVE!
Very true, but as a society, will we? One way to promote water conservation would be a multi-level billing system similar to CFE's billing. Those that conserve pay a reasonable amount per gallon of use. Once your use passes a heavy user threshold the price per gallon goes up for ALL usage. Then another threshold for massive use that will make you sorry you didn't conserve. Best way to get people's attention is to get in their wallet.
Twenty two thousand gallons of crystal clear mineral free fresh water from the nine hundred foot deep aquifer here in Yuma that was deposited thirty thousand years ago when Imperial Mammoths and Saber Tooth Cats roamed the temperate grasslands along the banks of the mighty uncontrolled and wild Colorado River. It should be filled by tomorrow night. Won't even see a blip on my water bill, maybe a hundred bucks above average. My many year water usage is 24/7 every day of the year for my citrus, palms, vegetable garden and doggie pools and rarely exceeds two hundred bucks a month.
Twenty two thousand gallons of crystal clear mineral free fresh water from the nine hundred foot deep aquifer here in Yuma that was deposited thirty thousand years ago when Imperial Mammoths and Saber Tooth Cats roamed the temperate grasslands along the banks of the mighty uncontrolled and wild Colorado River. It should be filled by tomorrow night. Won't even see a blip on my water bill, maybe a hundred bucks above average. My many year water usage is 24/7 every day of the year for my citrus, palms, vegetable garden and doggie pools and rarely exceeds two hundred bucks a month.
When infiltration is unable to replace groundwater as quickly as pumping removes it, the water table drops. Deeper wells could be dug to chase the table, but then the water table will just drop even further. Over the long-term, groundwater is a non-renewable resource in this situation, and won't be able to supply all the needed water. The population will either have to reduce its water usage, or find other sources of water.
But how would we ever find other sources of water since that other guy said it will be 'gone'. Hahaha. The earth has PLENTY of water. Calm down Bruno.
I heard there is a plan afoot to tow in an iceberg and use the new pier as an anchoring spot, put in a catch system and piping solving the water problem for northern Sonora.
I heard there is a plan afoot to tow in an iceberg and use the new pier as an anchoring spot, put in a catch system and piping solving the water problem for northern Sonora.
After one summer it would be gone and all beach front homes would be flooded from the rapid rise in sea levels. ;)
Very true, but as a society, will we? One way to promote water conservation would be a multi-level billing system similar to CFE's billing. Those that conserve pay a reasonable amount per gallon of use. Once your use passes a heavy user threshold the price per gallon goes up for ALL usage. Then another threshold for massive use that will make you sorry you didn't conserve. Best way to get people's attention is to get in their wallet.
I want nothing to do with anyone placing progressive water use fees on me. I'm installing my own desal plant.
I want nothing to do with anyone placing progressive water use fees on me. I'm installing my own desal plant.
I'm not in favor of it either but my point was if water restrictions become necessary something's gotta give. I have flood irrigation at an insanely cheap annual fee. Not counting on that being there forever, wish I wouldn't have planted all those trees, screwed without it.
I wasn't going to comment but it is under my skin the guy earlier who smirkingly said he is filling his pool while there are people who don't have fresh water to live on. The arrogance and inhumanity is amazing to me. I am sure he or she or it was just looking for a response....here it is. I am glad I don't live anywhere near him, her or it.
same stuff in my county..big hedge funds buying land,digging 1100 foot big ass wells and planting pecans to send to china.Small ranchers and hillbillies on 40 acres are seeing their wells dry up from Lords burg to Bowie....blood will be spilled...
When you have to drink out of your pool cause there is no water in the faucet you may have a change of heart. Water usage in the desert....as it is...unsustainable! But keep using what you can afford to waste right now! Maybe the guy that posted he is filling his pool is old and doesn't expect to live too much longer...I understand
Line up with your tea cup Russ....................
She is just about half full. All of that water will go a long way when the shit-hits-the-fan and the grid goes haywire.
I kinda remind myself of that old dead tree hugger "folk" singer John Denver, with his personal ten thousand gallon gasoline tank on his ranch up there in Rocky Mountain High whilst everyone else was forced to ration gas based on your license plate numbers back in the 70's.
Wada F-en hypocrite! Kilt himself whilst flying over the Pacific Ocean in his just one day purchased ridiculously expensive Vari-Easy homebuilt air-o-plane that I had just done an air worthy inspection on. He forgot to read the page in the operators manual about switching the lever on the floor to the left side fuel tank when the right side ran out! The dizzy crowd liked to believe that he had a terminal bird strike with the then "endangered" California Brown Pelican. When they recovered his sunk toy the left fuel tank was still full of fuel.
same stuff in my county..big hedge funds buying land,digging 1100 foot big ass wells and planting pecans to send to china.Small ranchers and hillbillies on 40 acres are seeing their wells dry up from Lords burg to Bowie....blood will be spilled...
Ya well we have had our ass kicked by these folks for a long time.
Does anyone actually know what the reason for the water shortage is this time around, e.g. some wells offline due to neglected periodic maintenance, failure to pay electric bills, misappropriated funds or? Serious question, thanks.
Could it be that oomapas makes more money colluding with the water trucks by controlling flow at the spigot? It almost always boils down to $ and palm greasing.