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Rosie gets the story, all of it!
Started by Kenny · Jan 13, 2010 · 140 replies
Good report......FINALLY!!! It's only taken how long????
I'm not going to go into how these things can happen anywhere, including in the states, but, trying to sweep it under the table will not help the current economic situation in Penasco. If anything, it can sour the relationship with the "regulars", those of us who have been coming down for 20...30...or more years, and have been supporters of the town.
Yeah...I hate having to worry about the federale highway patrol working the stretch and forcing me to drive slower then I would like to....but if that keeps these types of things from occurring, so be it!
And I can't believe that there were no police in the Sonoyta station that spoke english.....pulleeeze!!! There are enough that can understand when someone wants to pay a "fee" to get escorted to the border past one of the long holiday lines!!! :twisted: Even Penasco has someone who can comunicate with us gringos!!!
I'm not going to go into how these things can happen anywhere, including in the states, but, trying to sweep it under the table will not help the current economic situation in Penasco. If anything, it can sour the relationship with the "regulars", those of us who have been coming down for 20...30...or more years, and have been supporters of the town.
Yeah...I hate having to worry about the federale highway patrol working the stretch and forcing me to drive slower then I would like to....but if that keeps these types of things from occurring, so be it!
And I can't believe that there were no police in the Sonoyta station that spoke english.....pulleeeze!!! There are enough that can understand when someone wants to pay a "fee" to get escorted to the border past one of the long holiday lines!!! :twisted: Even Penasco has someone who can comunicate with us gringos!!!
We don't need more cowards in RP
Can you believe his so-called "friends" asked him to help cover it up since they have business interests in RP? Talk about self-serving a-holes! Sure, let's chance someone ELSE getting hurt or worse so that it doesn't impact our bottom line. I wish there was a way to find out who they are and if there's is a "public" business, we can all make an "informed" decision as to whether or not we want to patronize that business. Talk about cowardly behavior. Any question as to where I stand on this?
Can you believe his so-called "friends" asked him to help cover it up since they have business interests in RP? Talk about self-serving a-holes! Sure, let's chance someone ELSE getting hurt or worse so that it doesn't impact our bottom line. I wish there was a way to find out who they are and if there's is a "public" business, we can all make an "informed" decision as to whether or not we want to patronize that business. Talk about cowardly behavior. Any question as to where I stand on this?
I don't have any words.............Will this turn into an escort type situation? I can't outrun anybody in my Jeep. Seriously, these business people can't be serious! I'll have to post up later, when my brain comes back.......Geez, this sure put a monkeywrench into my situation.......
Thank you Rosie.. That story shows have far you, with the help of Melody, have gone since the meeting you guy's had at the Black dog that night. The fact that D chose to contact you with this story is a testament to how important the hard work that you have done is, and will continue to be.
The response from the city government, if there is one, will be something I'll be looking forward to reading. As far as our friends with vested interest's in Rocky point are concerned; hopefully this will help get the powers that be butt's in gear, and they'll put some pressure on to make sure there is better, for lack of a better word..security..on the road, and in town.
Kenny
The response from the city government, if there is one, will be something I'll be looking forward to reading. As far as our friends with vested interest's in Rocky point are concerned; hopefully this will help get the powers that be butt's in gear, and they'll put some pressure on to make sure there is better, for lack of a better word..security..on the road, and in town.
Kenny
I can't outrun anybody in my Jeep.
Take that baby of your's off road where you're right at home, and most cars or trucks, especially a Ford Expedition, would just turn back.
these business people can't be serious!
They were so serious, you could have heard a pin drop from all that was not posted on this site from them.
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Just run any way you can to get out of harm's way. Do whatever you need to do. Run, Forest, Run!
I'm confused...
So, US media has always said RP is not safe and you guys have always said that's not true.
Now, someone comes out and says it's not safe and you're happy it's getting out?
I don't understand what I'm missing here...
So, US media has always said RP is not safe and you guys have always said that's not true.
Now, someone comes out and says it's not safe and you're happy it's getting out?
I don't understand what I'm missing here...
If people are concerned....just wait at the border after crossing, then form your own caravan! The last trip down, I had instances in both directions of passing a slower moving AZ vehicle at about the halfway point, and then the people speeding up and staying on my tail until we hit Penasco, or going the other direction, until we approached Sonoyta.
That sounds like a good plan, Joe. Maybe we can form a site that shows some of our itineraries so people can meet up. Linda and I don't get down much these days, but I sure like knowing you guys are thinking safety first!
tyler said:I'm confused...
So, US media has always said RP is not safe and you guys have always said that's not true.
Now, someone comes out and says it's not safe and you're happy it's getting out?
I don't understand what I'm missing here...
Tyler...the point is that finally the story has come out...good or bad...at least we are informed....not wondering if it was true, or what the circumstances were. In previous news stories, there were inaccuracies, or the events didn't even happen in Penasco, etc. etc. etc. BTW....it didn't happen in Penasco...it happened outside of Sonoyta!!!
Over the New Year's, I wound up running to the border to meet my daughter and her mom coming down, and then made another trip when they left a couple of days before I did. It was because they were concerned about their vehicle breaking down, and not because of this situation.....but being informed about what is happening let's you make contingency plans.....let's you look for possible "problems" when you wouldn't necessarily do so before. I'm not usually looking for someone possibly trying to run me off the road on my drive to Penasco.
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For me a big part of this story is that it came out at all, and in the way that it did. In a Mexican produced online newspaper, but in English.
It's been noted that the way the pigeon coops were built was all wrong, in particular the lack of infrastructure to support the mindless growth. I look at a open and free press as a important part of the growth that's needed in PP, if it ever wants to be considered a modern and safe community. Look at it as a bridge of sort's, without it, the road to a better place to live is just a dead end.
Kenny
It's been noted that the way the pigeon coops were built was all wrong, in particular the lack of infrastructure to support the mindless growth. I look at a open and free press as a important part of the growth that's needed in PP, if it ever wants to be considered a modern and safe community. Look at it as a bridge of sort's, without it, the road to a better place to live is just a dead end.
Kenny
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I stumbled across this site while looking on line for more information about the recent carjacking so I thought I would put in my 2 cents. I have been going to Rocky Point for around 12 years and up until this past summer I have always felt safe. But the drug hit in RP, the dead bodies near the highway, and the cajcking have definitely got me rattled. It would be nice to think that the local authorities would realize the impact this will have on the tourist industry in town and would do all they can to ramp up security on the drive down and back, but from my experience with the local police (and based on the comments by "D" in the article regarding their failure to follow up with him) we probably can't count on it. I think the best course of action is for US travellers to RP to come up with a plan for their own safetly. I suggest there be a designated meeting point for people who want to caravan together in both Sonoyta and RP. One suggestion would be the Arizona Market in Sonoyta and perhaps one of the PeMex stations on the East (right) side of the road as you leave RP. Perhaps there could even be a big sign erected that says something to the effect of "Travellers meet here to caravan to RP/Sonoyta". I would think that the local proprietors would be more than happy to accomodate such a request becuase it would very likely bring them increased business from the sale of drinks, snacks, etc. by those waiting for additional travellers. When 5 or 6 vehicles have convened at the designated site they could all travel together. There is always safetly in numbers and I think it would be highly unlikely that even the most brazen carjacker would try to attack a car in a caravan this large.
Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
I probably would have thought of that eventually Kenny. I can outwheel most! I'm still a little rattled at the changes since last year.....
Kenny said:For me a big part of this story is that it came out at all, and in the way that it did. In a Mexican produced online newspaper, but in English.
It's been noted that the way the pigeon coops were built was all wrong, in particular the lack of infrastructure to support the mindless growth. I look at a open and free press as a important part of the growth that's needed in PP, if it ever wants to be considered a modern and safe community. Look at it as a bridge of sort's, without it, the road to a better place to live is just a dead end.
Kenny
Kenny....now that was deep!!! :rofl:
Tyler, the ones of us that commented on the safety of Rocky Point were doing so based on our own experiences. My family has been coming down for over 50 years. My mom and dad honeymooned there in the days of dirt roads and a day's travel from the border. Not once in all those years, did any of us experience anything scary. Well, except when Louisa's son, Adrian, tried to kiss me when I was 13...that was kinda scary! That is my truth based on my experiences, and many others on this forum. It is not D's experience, but he is sharing with us for the right reasons. If I knew of people or situations that could harm others, I would say. Just like my sister and I are doing regarding our property situation. That doesn't change the fact that nothing bad ever occurred to us otherwise. But when something does happen, we have the right to know and the responsibility to each other to share that information. I still think Rocky Point is safe. I worry about the road down now and will take appropriate measures, and I want everyone I know to do the same. There are bad guys everywhere, and this economy makes them, and us, more desperate. No one I know other that the nameless "businessmen" are trying to change anyone's mind...we are just sharing what we know to be our truths.
Ladyjeeper said:I don't have any words.............Will this turn into an escort type situation? I can't outrun anybody in my Jeep. Seriously, these business people can't be serious! I'll have to post up later, when my brain comes back.......Geez, this sure put a monkeywrench into my situation.......
LJ, if you can't outrun them, run them down!
Yeah we love Rocky Point but we are done with it for now, too much crap happening that they brush under the rug. We had planned on a may, november and December trip all have been cancelled. THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SAFETY.....
For me, and in a most way's, nothing has changed. Most of us have all been saying "it's going to happen, it's only a matter of time". Knowing that was true, my antenna has been up for some time, and it's been the same for most with common sense. Is it more dangerous after it happens, or knowing something like this, or worse, was going to happen?
Kenny
Sorry Joe, if you need help with that idea, send me a private, and I'll explain it to ya.
Kenny
Sorry Joe, if you need help with that idea, send me a private, and I'll explain it to ya.
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dlmoo1 said:Yeah we love Rocky Point but we are done with it for now, too much crap happening that they brush under the rug. We had planned on a may, november and December trip all have been cancelled. THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SAFETY.....
We each weigh risks versus benefits on most things we do.....you have to take care of your family....and I'm not going to tell you that you are foolish or wrong. However, worse stuff happens to more people and more often in Phoenix or Tucson. As long as I am informed of the true risks, I can be prepared and take additional precautions. Now, if we start having continual gang shootouts in Penasco, with innocent bystanders getting shot, then I will say goodbye!
<<<We’ve since been in contact with the other victims >>>
I WONDER IF THEY WILL COME FORWARD...
What happened to the story of the 3rd time this 'a' ( person ) was jacked?
I WONDER IF THEY WILL COME FORWARD...
What happened to the story of the 3rd time this 'a' ( person ) was jacked?
We went down with our kids on New Years eve. NO police presence at all. I wrote about it that weekend. Not on the way or back on Sunday. It took THIS long for the facts to come out that a car was SHOT at? And another
possibly happened the week before these two incidents happened?
We own in RP. I feel pissed that this info is being hushed up in the media. People have a right to make a choice on what type of risks they are willing to take with their family. Whoever is telling D not to let people know
is out of line. I love RP and hate to see the economy hurt more also. I don't love it enough to get shot at with my kids in the car.
possibly happened the week before these two incidents happened?
We own in RP. I feel pissed that this info is being hushed up in the media. People have a right to make a choice on what type of risks they are willing to take with their family. Whoever is telling D not to let people know
is out of line. I love RP and hate to see the economy hurt more also. I don't love it enough to get shot at with my kids in the car.
Terry C said:<<<We’ve since been in contact with the other victims >>>
I WONDER IF THEY WILL COME FORWARD...
What happened to the story of the 3rd time this 'a' ( person ) was jacked?
I agree with you Terry who gets their vehicle stolen twice and then gets Jacked...Why was the wife driving the jacked car? Did he forget his glasses...Whats up with these people?
Fords.......you just can't trust people that drive fords.
It would be nice to know what happened to the sentence that referenced another occurrence a week earlier. It was in the original link and not now.
My mistake, it is in the next to the last paragraph.
I am glad that we heard it first hand instead of the typical "hear say" that goes around scaring everybody, special Thanks goes to "D" for coming forward and letting us know of the what, where and when, most of us know the why's and possibly the who's, and I do have to disagree with many of you, the police is not "just hiding it under the rug", sorry don't remember exact words! in all the cases that they have, if you look around or read your home town papers, you also will realize that your own home town Police force is not only fighting crime but fighting the times and trying NOT TO lay-off any more cops!!.
Just because it is Mexico :mexico: and they are having a war on drugs hundreds or even thousands of miles away from PP, does not mean that they have enough man power to cover all areas, unfortunatelly for many of us, however I have noticed that the amount of army patrols or naval police has not decrease and actually seems that they are doing it more often, unfortunatelly they can not be in two places at once as most of us would like to have it, in comparacense to many, as already mention :deadhorse:, PP is as save as any other town/city or safer!!
Just because it is Mexico :mexico: and they are having a war on drugs hundreds or even thousands of miles away from PP, does not mean that they have enough man power to cover all areas, unfortunatelly for many of us, however I have noticed that the amount of army patrols or naval police has not decrease and actually seems that they are doing it more often, unfortunatelly they can not be in two places at once as most of us would like to have it, in comparacense to many, as already mention :deadhorse:, PP is as save as any other town/city or safer!!
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Just a thought on what we can do to give us some amount of protection.....
Most of us have cell phones....if you have ATT or T-Mobile, your phone will work on the Telcel/Movistar networks (all GSM). Verizon claims they now work....based on their "history" in Mexico, I wouldn't depend on them!! If you don't have ATT/T-Mobile, pick yourself up a cheapo gsm phone....get it unlocked, and buy a Telcel Sim card (about $15 USD)and use the Amigo (prepay system....100 peso increments). There are signs posted along the road to Penasco with the "emergency" phone number....066. Cellphone coverage on the road from Sonoyta to Penasco is pretty good....I didn't find many dead spots. Learn a few phrases in Mexican and be aware of what KM (kilometer) marker you are at.....
I don't know how fast of a response you'll get...but it's worth having the tool available!!!
And if that doesn't work, carry a bucket of roofing nails to throw out if you're being chased!!!:evil: Maybe a couple molotov cocktails would also help since we can't carry guns!!!:evil::evil:
Most of us have cell phones....if you have ATT or T-Mobile, your phone will work on the Telcel/Movistar networks (all GSM). Verizon claims they now work....based on their "history" in Mexico, I wouldn't depend on them!! If you don't have ATT/T-Mobile, pick yourself up a cheapo gsm phone....get it unlocked, and buy a Telcel Sim card (about $15 USD)and use the Amigo (prepay system....100 peso increments). There are signs posted along the road to Penasco with the "emergency" phone number....066. Cellphone coverage on the road from Sonoyta to Penasco is pretty good....I didn't find many dead spots. Learn a few phrases in Mexican and be aware of what KM (kilometer) marker you are at.....
I don't know how fast of a response you'll get...but it's worth having the tool available!!!
And if that doesn't work, carry a bucket of roofing nails to throw out if you're being chased!!!:evil: Maybe a couple molotov cocktails would also help since we can't carry guns!!!:evil::evil:
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There's still some important information missing from these reports, mainly the type of vehicles involved. Why does that matter, you ask? Because the type of vehicle "D" was driving was a large crew cab 4-wheel drive truck. The type of vehicle the other "British" folks were driving was also a 4-wheel drive vehicle. I do not know the years or makes of either vehicle, just that they both fit this profile.
The vehicles were what was being targeted, not the families. Large, 4-wheel drive trucks are the preferred vehicles for transporting loads of drug/human cargo across the border. These guys needed a vehicle and did not give up until they got one from the 2nd family.
A Lexus or a minivan is useless to these guys. So is a Jeep for the most part because of its limited space to carry a load. They need large pick-ups or SUVs like Suburbans with 4-wheel drive. They don't want your Nissan, Toyota, or Hyundai car. If you drive a car, your chances of being carjacked as happened in this incident are slim-to-none. If, like me, you drive a large 4-wheel drive vehicle (I drive a F250 crew cab with 4-wheel drive and an off-road package), definitely keep your eyes open and your guard up. That is exactly the type of vehicle they are looking for.
On the upside, it's much more difficult to physically stop or take these larger vehicles because they are built like tanks. I have no qualms about running somebody off the road in this situation... provided I don't have a bullet in my bubblegoose. The story "D" tells of being able to physically evade these guys proves my point. They don't want your money, your belongings, or your children. They just want the vehicle. Personally, I wouldn't let mine go without a fight, but that's me. Realistically, if bullets are flying, the best thing you can do is pull over, walk away from the vehicle and let them have it.
The vehicles were what was being targeted, not the families. Large, 4-wheel drive trucks are the preferred vehicles for transporting loads of drug/human cargo across the border. These guys needed a vehicle and did not give up until they got one from the 2nd family.
A Lexus or a minivan is useless to these guys. So is a Jeep for the most part because of its limited space to carry a load. They need large pick-ups or SUVs like Suburbans with 4-wheel drive. They don't want your Nissan, Toyota, or Hyundai car. If you drive a car, your chances of being carjacked as happened in this incident are slim-to-none. If, like me, you drive a large 4-wheel drive vehicle (I drive a F250 crew cab with 4-wheel drive and an off-road package), definitely keep your eyes open and your guard up. That is exactly the type of vehicle they are looking for.
On the upside, it's much more difficult to physically stop or take these larger vehicles because they are built like tanks. I have no qualms about running somebody off the road in this situation... provided I don't have a bullet in my bubblegoose. The story "D" tells of being able to physically evade these guys proves my point. They don't want your money, your belongings, or your children. They just want the vehicle. Personally, I wouldn't let mine go without a fight, but that's me. Realistically, if bullets are flying, the best thing you can do is pull over, walk away from the vehicle and let them have it.
Thanks for the additional info Stuart...that definitely sheds more light on the subject! I wonder why the vehicle types were not listed in the report????
Although I have one of those "tanks", mine isn't 4WD.....but like you, I also wouldn't think twice about running one of those carjackers off the road....
My one concern about "letting them have the vehicle"....what prevents them from shooting you anyway?
Although I have one of those "tanks", mine isn't 4WD.....but like you, I also wouldn't think twice about running one of those carjackers off the road....
My one concern about "letting them have the vehicle"....what prevents them from shooting you anyway?
rockyptjoe said:
My one concern about "letting them have the vehicle"....what prevents them from shooting you anyway?
Nothing. But, chances are they're not going to do that. They just want the vehicle. Also, I wasn't suggesting you stand there and hand them the keys. Just stop, leave the vehicle running, and take off into the desert a short ways. They aren't going to waste time tracking you down.
deep blue said:I think the best course of action is for US travellers to RP to come up with a plan for their own safetly. I suggest there be a designated meeting point for people who want to caravan together in both Sonoyta and RP.
I was hoping to get at least a few responses to my post (#13). So any feedback at all? Good idea, bad idea, effective, pointless? What do people think?
If, and that's a big IF, I want to caravan with someone, I'll latch on to a vehicle right at the border. It would probably be a big truck/suv. They are more likely to be traveling at the speeds that I want to go. You're likely to wait for a while at an "organized" meeting place to get the 5-6 vehicles, and then there will be a mix of those who will want to be speeding (going more then the 90 kmh), and those following the speed limit. So...what speed will the caravan travel at? Does anyone remember when those large rv caravans would come down or leave Penasco...the Good Sams', or whatever the groups were....you wuld have almost a mile long group....usually crawling along at the 90 kph spped limit (54 mph), and driving the rest of us up the wall. It was a bear trying to pass...hop-scotching over a few at a time!!!
Oh they only needed a truck that day, and they know who they are, and they could of told us that when it happened and chose not too. Well thank God I don't have to worry because I drive a 1970 maverick. See ya on the Malecon...
Stuart said:, just that they both fit this profile.
The vehicles were what was being targeted, not the families. Large, 4-wheel drive trucks are the preferred vehicles for transporting loads of drug/human cargo across the border. These guys needed a vehicle and did not give up until they got one from the 2nd family.
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I am pretty sure that this was not an organized, cartel supported hijacking. I think is was an isolated incident and the thieves were some jackasses that needed money and took the vehicle to San Luis to a chop shop and 4wd gets more money for parts. Remember that the ID was found thrown out on the highway. SAn Luis has always been a hot bed of chop shops. There is a market for passports and IDs. especially if you are moving people. The cartel guys don't need to call attention to themselves with this kind of activity and I bet they are not particularly happy about it. They routinely drop $30K for a new vehicle if they want one. They don't want to move stuff in a stolen vehicle which may be watched for and noticed on the road risking delivery. They don't want to cause a frenzy of enforcement activity along the border looking for hijacked vehicles that interferes with routine transport. They don't want to call attention to their movements. They prefer to move their goods across the border quietly, if caught they lose money in cost of goods and no profit. Most of the goods are transported on foot or up until recently in large trucks.
The Mexican military are now stopping and electronically examining virtually all of the large northbound trucks, causing huge delays in deliveries. Trucks are backed up 5 or 6 miles taking days to pass. This is Meridia money from the US. Produce and other goods are in short supply in Hermosillo as a result. There is more cartel interest in the Carribbean routes as a result.
None the less it's a horrible tragedy for the victims.
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Roberto said:Stuart said:, just that they both fit this profile.
The vehicles were what was being targeted, not the families. Large, 4-wheel drive trucks are the preferred vehicles for transporting loads of drug/human cargo across the border. These guys needed a vehicle and did not give up until they got one from the 2nd family.
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I am pretty sure that this was not an organized, cartel supported hijacking. I think is was an isolated incident and the thieves were some jackasses that needed money and took the vehicle to San Luis to a chop shop and 4wd gets more money for parts. Remember that the ID was found thrown out on the highway. SAn Luis has always been a hot bed of chop shops. There is a market for passports and IDs. especially if you are moving people. The cartel guys don't need to call attention to themselves with this kind of activity and I bet they are not particularly happy about it. They routinely drop $30K for a new vehicle if they want one. They don't want to move stuff in a stolen vehicle which may be watched for and noticed on the road risking delivery. They don't want to cause a frenzy of enforcement activity along the border looking for hijacked vehicles that interferes with routine transport. They don't want to call attention to their movements. They prefer to move their goods across the border quietly, if caught they lose money in cost of goods and no profit. Most of the goods are transported on foot or up until recently in large trucks.
The Mexican military are now stopping and electronically examining virtually all of the large northbound trucks, causing huge delays in deliveries. Trucks are backed up 5 or 6 miles taking days to pass. This is Meridia money from the US. Produce and other goods are in short supply in Hermosillo as a result. There is more cartel interest in the Carribbean routes as a result.
None the less it's a horrible tragedy for the victims.
I agree completely Roberto... It would be foolish to say the least to try and smuggle drugs across the border in a jacked vehicle. Like you said, why would they when there are so many safer and more reliable options.
Besides, I don't think they would want a murder victim or victims on a highway jacking on the way to the RP
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60D4XS20100114
Here's an article that probably describes, fairly accurately, how the cartels work. The idea of random violence caused by the cartels is in error, I think. It makes for a sexier story for the US News maybe, but also causes some misapprehension. If you think of the events on the Sonoita highway as random violence by a couple of loose cannons, you might feel one way. If you think of those events as being the direct result of an ongoing program of a large group of highly organized, armed, well trained, vicious people that seem to operate unfettered outside the law, you might feel another way. Neither is good, but certainly your understanding and interpretation of the events will differ.
These events disrupt 'normal' business for the cartels. Think about it. If this kind of stupid, violent, disruptive activity was part of their business plan the entire border would be a war zone. No one and nothing would be safe and we all know it ain't that extreme. Although some might object, I still think of it as the normal background violence that exists across the US. No excuses, no apoligies intended, it's wrong and its unacceptable, but the activity level certainly falls within the statistically normal range. As always be careful, take precautions. The major violence is directed at competing families and infringing independents, but innocent folk can get caught in it.
My guess is, if identified, the bodies of the car jackers will turn up somewhere. Whadda ya think Audsley, would that make you happy?
Check out the sidebar story on the linked article. That's more like it. Moving the junk in private lear jets, not stolen 4x4s. The cartels are about where the Italian Family was in the late 60's and 70's, rapidly buying into legitimate businesses. They don't all keep their cash in the bedroom closet! They are the Rockefellers, the Kennedys, the Fords, the robber barons of Mexico and the society families of the next generations.
Here's an article that probably describes, fairly accurately, how the cartels work. The idea of random violence caused by the cartels is in error, I think. It makes for a sexier story for the US News maybe, but also causes some misapprehension. If you think of the events on the Sonoita highway as random violence by a couple of loose cannons, you might feel one way. If you think of those events as being the direct result of an ongoing program of a large group of highly organized, armed, well trained, vicious people that seem to operate unfettered outside the law, you might feel another way. Neither is good, but certainly your understanding and interpretation of the events will differ.
These events disrupt 'normal' business for the cartels. Think about it. If this kind of stupid, violent, disruptive activity was part of their business plan the entire border would be a war zone. No one and nothing would be safe and we all know it ain't that extreme. Although some might object, I still think of it as the normal background violence that exists across the US. No excuses, no apoligies intended, it's wrong and its unacceptable, but the activity level certainly falls within the statistically normal range. As always be careful, take precautions. The major violence is directed at competing families and infringing independents, but innocent folk can get caught in it.
My guess is, if identified, the bodies of the car jackers will turn up somewhere. Whadda ya think Audsley, would that make you happy?
Check out the sidebar story on the linked article. That's more like it. Moving the junk in private lear jets, not stolen 4x4s. The cartels are about where the Italian Family was in the late 60's and 70's, rapidly buying into legitimate businesses. They don't all keep their cash in the bedroom closet! They are the Rockefellers, the Kennedys, the Fords, the robber barons of Mexico and the society families of the next generations.
Roberto said:
I am pretty sure that this was not an organized, cartel supported hijacking...
None the less it's a horrible tragedy for the victims.
I agree with your last statement wholeheartedly.
Don't kid yourself on the 1st statement. Ever watch the show "Shadow Wolves?" It's about the Native American trackers that hunt down border crossers with loads of drugs on the reservations. Nearly all of the vehicles they find abandoned are 4WD trucks and SUVs, 99% of them reported as stolen in the US. Yes, a lot of it is foot-traffic once the loads reach a certain point. But they use the vehicles to get the loads to an isolated point near or over the border where the foot guys take over.
As for this particular incident? Hard to say. You could be right; I could be right. Either way, it creates one more element of fear and yet another reason for tourists to say "Mexico isn't safe."
deep blue said:I was hoping to get at least a few responses to my post (#13). So any feedback at all? Good idea, bad idea, effective, pointless? What do people think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmf-HCCZYOg
What's this? Carjackings on the road to Rocky Point? Drug cartel execution killings? Cartel leaders killed and captured in other Mexican States?
Who would have thunk it? Must be a problem of Perception! lol.
Seriously, if you have to go to the lengths of creating caravans you might as well stay home. Statistically, and now locally proven with these latest anecdotes, Mexico and Rocky Point are not safe. Never have been, probably never will be, but a head in the sand attitude never solved anything.
More police will fix the problem? I work in Maryvale. At night. It's the number one Phoenix P.D. area for "Shots fired" calls. Over four years now I've never had a problem, but then I come home and read about all the stuff that happened right around where I work and either I just missed it or was luckily sent out of town. Safest place in that area is at the QT on 27th Ave and Thomas because all the cops hang out there on break or to bull****. Go even a hundred yards down the road and you are fair game (and yes you will see police on every corner all night long, almost a 1:1 ratio with cars on the road after 2. Crime is not impacted.). I'm unarmed there, just like in Mexico, and if my number is up it's up.
Personally, when I make my way to Rocky Point again I'll still just hammer down just south of Sonoyta and take my chances as usual. I wouldn't want some idiot in the SUV in front of me deciding to stop for what they "thought" was a Federale so the whole lot of us get jacked.
Stuart is right on about the trucks and 4x4's, and especially about not giving up without a fight. A cartel might not think about dropping $$ on a new truck, but if they are just going to be driving it through the desert to try and get 1 out of 100 loads through why not use a stolen one? And can you just see some cartel trying to sneak a fleet of new Toyotas with secret panels through the border inspection station?
I'll be damned... Sub lives! :thumbsup:
We haven't seen you around in so long, we thought you got killed in a Mexican barfight or died from eating a toxic taco!
Welcome back, amigo!
We haven't seen you around in so long, we thought you got killed in a Mexican barfight or died from eating a toxic taco!
Welcome back, amigo!
Stuart said:I'll be damned... Sub lives! :thumbsup:
We haven't seen you around in so long, we thought you got killed in a Mexican barfight or died from eating a toxic taco!
Welcome back, amigo!
Naw...he's running the UPS office in Tahiti!!! (you wish, Sub!:rofl::stir:)
Funny thing happened to me driving down to Penasco today.....several miles out of Sonoyta, there was absolutely nobody behind me....then a couple of minutes later, saw headlights....closing VERY fast....and I was not putzing allong at the speed limit....the vehicle finally caught up to me....saw that it was a small suv...nothing I was particularly worried about....the driver backed off, and just stayed with me all the way to Penasco...probably was on my tail for 45-50 miles. When he was closing, he had to be doing 90-95. Was that a reader of the Forum wanting to caravan???:rofl:
BTW, did see one federale highway patrol going the other way, but he wasn't running his radar.
BTW, did see one federale highway patrol going the other way, but he wasn't running his radar.
Last edited: Jan 15, 2010 at 4:32 PM
We have a suggestion, use Www.trapster.com to monitor and provide road condition information such as police, suspicious vehicles, and broken down vehicle status'. All of us, as regular travelers, could access this site via the application or web page to virtually 'police' the road ourselves. If someone knows the Sonita or RP police chiefs, advise them on how to use, which may help those in need. It's a FREE APP.
rockyptjoe said:Funny thing happened to me driving down to Penasco today.....several miles out of Sonoyta, there was absolutely nobody behind me....then a couple of minutes later, saw headlights....closing VERY fast....and I was not putzing allong at the speed limit....the vehicle finally caught up to me....saw that it was a small suv...nothing I was particularly worried about....the driver backed off, and just stayed with me all the way to Penasco...probably was on my tail for 45-50 miles. When he was closing, he had to be doing 90-95. Was that a reader of the Forum wanting to caravan???:rofl:
BTW, did see one federale highway patrol going the other way, but he wasn't running his radar.
You been used, buddy! In a good way...
rockyptjoe said:Funny thing happened to me driving down to Penasco today.....several miles out of Sonoyta, there was absolutely nobody behind me....then a couple of minutes later, saw headlights....closing VERY fast....and I was not putzing allong at the speed limit....the vehicle finally caught up to me....saw that it was a small suv...nothing I was particularly worried about....the driver backed off, and just stayed with me all the way to Penasco...probably was on my tail for 45-50 miles. When he was closing, he had to be doing 90-95. Was that a reader of the Forum wanting to caravan???:rofl:
BTW, did see one federale highway patrol going the other way, but he wasn't running his radar.
Good Job Joe... I always knew you were a leader...
Soem of you may laugh but there is a very relaible weapon out there to defend yourslef in life and death situations like this. It is not illegal to own a flare gun in mexico. Walmart sells them with four cartridges. They are plastic and very inexpensive. Imaging unloading a flare into the cab of the expedition or better yet, shotting it at the xpedition and it hitting a window. Flames and sparks would have gone everywhere scaring the shi+ out of them.
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What does tombola mean?
garyd said:What does tombola mean?
it can be translated as "fair" as in "county fair" , you know, like a day in the fair, fun, fun, fun :eek3:
Stuart said:I'll be damned... Sub lives! :thumbsup:
We haven't seen you around in so long, we thought you got killed in a Mexican barfight or died from eating a toxic taco!
Welcome back, amigo!
No such luck! I've been riding sportbikes and started a side business doing jetski performance mods and repairs. Trying to stay away from wasting so much time on the computer.
reportjones said:Soem of you may laugh but there is a very relaible weapon out there to defend yourslef in life and death situations like this. It is not illegal to own a flare gun in mexico. Walmart sells them with four cartridges. They are plastic and very inexpensive. Imaging unloading a flare into the cab of the expedition or better yet, shotting it at the xpedition and it hitting a window. Flames and sparks would have gone everywhere scaring the shi+ out of them.
It seems like an option worth looking into after resolving the following concerns:
1. As arbitrary as the various Mexican authorities can be, I wonder if anyone can verify that a flare gun would not be considered an illegal hand gun in Mexico, which might come with the threat of a long prison sentence?
2. Would carrying a flare gun in a glovebox in the US be considered a concealed weapon by US authorities while on route to Mexico?
3. After shooting at a Mexican citizen in Mexico with a flare gun, whose side would the Mexican authorities take, the Mexican or the gringo, regardless of the perceived threat?
Your comments are welcomed.
Thanks.
PS. I used to carry a machete and survival knife routinely, as part of an emergency kit until I read where they can be considered illegal weapons by Mexican authorities.
Last edited: Jan 17, 2010 at 11:46 AM
I believe the question of a flare gun was asked in the Fishing forum....and the regulars responded that it was not illegal....but it would be well worth checking it out.
At the point of having to use a flare gun for self defense, I would risk that it was illegal.....regardless of the justice system I had to deal with afterwards!
At the point of having to use a flare gun for self defense, I would risk that it was illegal.....regardless of the justice system I had to deal with afterwards!
JimMcG said:It seems like an option worth looking into after resolving the following concerns:
1. As arbitrary as the various Mexican authorities can be, I wonder if anyone can verify that a flare gun would not be considered an illegal hand gun in Mexico, which might come with the threat of a long prison sentence?
2. Would carrying a flare gun in a glovebox in the US be considered a concealed weapon by US authorities while on route to Mexico?
3. After shooting at a Mexican citizen in Mexico with a flare gun, whose side would the Mexican authorities take, the Mexican or the gringo, regardless of the perceived threat?
Your comments are welcomed.
Thanks.
PS. I used to carry a machete and survival knife routinely, as part of an emergency kit until I read where they can be considered illegal weapons by Mexican authorities.
I've been real interested in this one too. I used to be on the road a lot more down here and really wanted it then. The roads get lonely out in the outback. I asked around a bit and the general consensus was it was legal, but.... you'd want an opinion from one of the judges, or Ministerio Publico and not sure you could get that easily.
One of the issues about all of this is that the Mexican justice system assumes guilt until you prove innocence. That is supposed to change under the Meridia agreement but it has not yet. The interpretation of the arresting officer has a large effect on the nature of charges and results of those charges. One benefit of this is that you have a chance to talk yourself out of trouble, much moreso than in the states.
On number 2, I would guess that you could have a problem in some states, unless maybe you were towing a boat!! New Mexico allows you to carry in a vehicle, anywhere but hidden on your body. I kept a .380 in the compartment between the seats. Not here in Mexico of course. What is the carry law in AZ, anyone know?
3. I think, just as in the states, if you do serious damange or injure someone or worse you're goin to the station house. In the states they'd get you on Carry, Discharge, Attempted something or another, and worse with injuries. If it was a demonstrable threatening situation with witnesses, I don't think you would have a problem down here, but #1 above comes into play. If you don't own a boat you might have a prepared cover story, say that maybe you were bringing it to Mexico for Stuart' s boat and have Stuart prepared to back you up. Yeah, it's Stuart's fault !!
PS. I got caught on that one with knives in the door panel of the truck and center compartment. Had to pay a fine and lost my best skinning knife to boot. I replaced the knives with one of those heavy duty long black police style flashlights and a spray can as below.
I had a problem with hornets in a tree at my house and got one of those hornet/wasp insecticide spray cans. I was very impressed with the volume and distance of the projection of the spray. The effect is immediate and your eyes will burn with a slight breeze. Sprayed anywhere near the face should disable and immobilize someone but not in a life threatening manner. I have a can in the door panel of the car, at my door at home and one in the office. Not effective from a moving vehicle, but anywhere within 15 feet or so it should work. Should be no problems with the legality of it either, after all it just happened to be handy, right. Never know when those pesky hornets will attack!
Google Arizona Revised Statutes 13-3112. Concealed weapons; qualification; application; permit to carry; certificate of firearms proficiency; training program; program instructors; report; applicability; violation; classification.
Does anyone know why the link to Rosie's article does not work?
Ed B said:Does anyone know why the link to Rosie's article does not work?
Try this link and then just search in the paper last couple of editions
http://www.rockypointnewsonline.com/
InkaRoads said:Try this link and then just search in the paper last couple of editions
http://www.rockypointnewsonline.com/
Unless I'm blind, I couldn't find any way to go to the previous editions (there is a Search)....there must be an archive....at least I recall there used to be one.
I've tried searchng the site and even Googled the headline. When you click on the link you get the 404 error. It seems as though the article was removed. ????
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I sent a PM to Rosy about the missing article...will let you know when I get a response.....
Big mistake. Now we know there are things that happen, but the "Propaganda Minister" will decide for us whether or not we should know. In my mind, that is a HUGE red flag.
Being that I am the "Propaganda Minister" in this domain, the story stays here. Sweeping it under the carpet helps no one.
Stuart said:Being that I am the "Propaganda Minister" in this domain, the story stays here. Sweeping it under the carpet helps no one.
Way to have our backs, Stuart! Thanks!
Who's the propaganda minister that made Rosie take it down?
Wonder if the Propaganda Minister wouldn't mind letting us know that they've apprehended the suspects, or if they have initiated any sort of plan to help remove the fear of driving south?
Stuart said:Being that I am the "Propaganda Minister" in this domain, the story stays here. Sweeping it under the carpet helps no one.
Unfortunately Stuart, it was a link to the article...so, poof, it is now gone!
Wahoo....has anyone heard from Rosy indicating that she was "requested" to take the article down???
I don't know if she was "requested" to take it down, but I do know she caught hell for putting it out there. Think about it, Rosie has a lot of friends and acquaintances who have business's that depend on the tourist $$ for survival. You guy's might even know some of the people who complained directly to her.. She really put it on the line, if you get my drift.
Kenny
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rockyptjoe said:Unfortunately Stuart, it was a link to the article...so, poof, it is now gone!
Right. However, we have 8 pages of discussion on the event here that's not going away. Google "Rocky Point Carjacking" and this thread is the first link at the top of the list. If people want the information, it's available here and we're not taking it down.
Fortunately, Tyler and I are beholden to no one - commercially, financially, or otherwise - when it comes to what is published here. I understand completely how editorially difficult it must be for Rosie walking that thin line between reporting the truth and the tourist/business interests of those she serves. She does a wonderful job, but the bottom line is she's in the business of promoting tourism and business in Penasco, not "fair and balanced" reporting.
I don't consider us "fair and balanced" either. Not that any of you wonderful Forum posters are "opinionated." (cough-cough, uhhhh, yeah right). Regardless, you're more likely to find out the real scoop here than anywhere else on the Internet. There's a reason we're #1.
Just sayin'...
Did anyone print or save the story to their documents that can repost here?
I have a way bigger problem considering associating with businesses who value their bottom line more than our safety. Think about the message those who "pressured" Rosie to take down the story are sending to us...they would rather we blindly find our way to them to drop our $$ than let us decide for ourselves if and when there is a risk. That story would never stop me from driving down...but the thought of spending my very hard earned dollars at the - for now - anonymous business certainly could. Promoting tourism and purposely concealing possible dangers to those very tourists is a bad road for this to take....where's the trust?
Furthermore, SAFETY is in the interests of the tourists served by this forum, Rocky Point News Online, the City Administration AND the businesses who rely on them for income. The absolute stupidity behind this boggles my mind. OK, I am done. For now. Thank you Stuart and Tyler!
Well this is really getting interesting. My main sources for reliable information are this forum and Rocky News Online. One of them has definitely been compromised. This is starting to change things. I would like the opportunity to read the article if anyone can provide. The incident happened. If the article had wrong information, then respond with a retraction. Just do not delete without any explanation. If it really is bidness, tell us that too. I just hope everyone involved is safe because this is starting to get weird. I'm not sure if the cover up is worse than the crime in this case but in the long run it could cause much more damage and add to an already more blemished reputation than what we need right now.
Beautiful! Now it just makes you wonder how many other stories are being buried like rival drug dealers in the desert.
Contrary to popular belief, the local news doesn't station a reporter at the border or in Rocky Point, and just like killings in Phoenix- you only hear about 10% of what really happens.
I challenge anyone to keep track of the number of homicides in Phoenix or any major metropolitan area for 2010, then see how many are reported in the respective local news.
Methinks Rosie needs to grow a pair.
Contrary to popular belief, the local news doesn't station a reporter at the border or in Rocky Point, and just like killings in Phoenix- you only hear about 10% of what really happens.
I challenge anyone to keep track of the number of homicides in Phoenix or any major metropolitan area for 2010, then see how many are reported in the respective local news.
Methinks Rosie needs to grow a pair.
Submarine said:
Methinks Rosie needs to grow a pair.
Sub...I think Rosy did by originally posting the article....but someone came along and chopped them off! Probably several of her advertisers or some of the local politicians....you better believe if I found out which businesses were involved, they would never get any business from me.....
Maybe we as a group can reconstruct the article from our collective memories....anyone want to try??
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Not necessary!
Scottsdale man tells of ordeal, calls for increased safety measures
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Editor’s Note: After viewing the Rocky Point Ramblings video in the last issue, the victim of an attempted carjacking on December 27, 2009, has decided to give an exclusive interview to the RPNO. For the purposes of this article, we will refer to him only as D.
“After the story broke about what happened to us, I was approached by television news stations and other media, but I love Rocky Point. I’ve been going there with my family since I was 16 years old”, said the 38-year-old general contractor. “I have friends there who rely on the tourist trade and do not want this to have a negative impact on their businesses, but I also want the authorities to be more forthcoming and do more to protect those who visit. Even though I was asked not to go to the media, I’ve decided to share my story here”.
Here, in his own words, is D’s account of the events.
“My girlfriend and I love going to Rocky Point. It’s a special place for us because it’s the first place we ever went together. The kids love it too. My son is 8 and her boy was celebrating his 11th birthday on the day this happened.
We had planned a 5-day vacation over the Christmas break for the four of us. Because of the birthday, we were excited and happy. As we crossed into Mexico we whooped and hollered in the car, excited to begin our much-anticipated vacation. Within minutes, we were living a nightmare.
Approximately five miles outside Sonoyta at 5:35, I passed a slow-moving (about 35 mph) Ford Expedition on the highway. It was an older model, maybe 1998, with faded red paint. As I attempted to pass, it suddenly swerved into me, as if to hit me. After I passed them, they sped up and pulled alongside on the driver’s side and his passenger lowered the window. I quickly and clearly saw that he was pointing a handgun right at me. I slammed on my brakes, and in that moment, he shot, hitting my driver’s side door.
I made a quick U-turn and drove as fast as I could back to Sonoyta, yelling at my family to duck down. The Expedition also turned and pursued me, at one point almost catching up. Taking no chances, I drove down the middle of the highway, maneuvering so they could not come up on my side. The whole time I was flashing my lights and honking my horn to get attention.
As we approached the city of Sonoyta, they must have realized they could not catch up before reaching the city, so they backed off their pursuit. On the way out of town I had spotted no fewer than 5 patrol cars. Now I couldn’t find one. I drove the streets, honking the horn driving erratically and yet no cops. Finally I found some standing around at the park in the middle of town. None spoke English. I am bilingual, but do struggle with verb conjugation.
I told them what happened and they got on their radios and sent out an alert. Then they took us to the police station, where we had to retell our story no fewer than 5 times. Amazingly, there is no one on the Sonoyta police force who speaks English.
We were nervous, cold and scared. The kids were traumatized. After all that, we were walked to another building for yet another retelling of the events. Told that we were with a police investigator, the young man admitted he was only a secretary, but he’d been told to pretend to be an investigator.
About 35 minutes later, a British couple arrived at the police station. Ten minutes after the attempt on us, the same guys managed to ram their car and pull them over. As everyone knows by now, their car and belongings were taken from them. My family and I stayed hours more in Sonoyta, as they had no one but me to translate for the other couple, who also had children with them.
By now, authorities in Rocky Point had been alerted to the situation. Oscar Palacio arranged for a police escort to Penasco for us. In light of what had just happened, I was surprised that on the drive I saw not one police cruiser.
We had rented a house in Las Conchas for our vacation, and we did eventually spend that night there, but after what we had been through, we were scared and just wanted to go home. We went to the police station in Penasco and asked to be escorted to the border. The officers were told to take good care of us, and they did.
Oscar Palacio called me shortly after we got home and assured me that great measures would be taken to make the highway safer for travelers. He promised to call me the next day.
Two days later, Fausto Soto called me. I felt he was simply placating me as he gave me vague statements of increased security. He was equally vague when I asked if a travel advisory had been issued. In that conversation he said that there is no way I could be reimbursed the amount spent on the rental, the repair to my truck or our travel expenses. And of course our 5-day vacation was ruined. It wasn’t even so much a matter of the money itself, but I felt, and still feel, that what happened to us wasn’t important enough to them that they would even attempt to make it up to us.
We’ve since been in contact with the other victims. The city provided them with an attorney to help expedite their insurance claim. While at the Sonoyta police department, we were able to identify the assailants in a photo lineup. I was told there would be someone contacting me in a day or two to follow up that lead. To date, I’ve received no calls.
In the video I saw, Fausto Soto said that this is the first time something like this has happened. Well, at the police station, an officer said it had happened just one week prior. Crossing back to the U.S., again I was told of a car being shot at in an attempted carjacking on the same stretch of highway.
Friends with business interests in Rocky Point have asked that I not go to the media. I don’t want to hurt anyone. But I do want the authorities to get the message that they must take measures like never before. I trust the RPNO to tell my story objectively with no exaggerating or cover-up. If I didn’t do it sooner, it’s because I wanted to give the authorities time to take the right measures to protect people”.
I added the bold accent/underline to the last sentence. I don't know Rosie, but if I was in her shoes I would refuse to remove the article regardless of the consequences. All you have is your integrity, and once compromised it's gone forever. This isn't the first time journalists were threatened to bury a story.
Scottsdale man tells of ordeal, calls for increased safety measures
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Editor’s Note: After viewing the Rocky Point Ramblings video in the last issue, the victim of an attempted carjacking on December 27, 2009, has decided to give an exclusive interview to the RPNO. For the purposes of this article, we will refer to him only as D.
“After the story broke about what happened to us, I was approached by television news stations and other media, but I love Rocky Point. I’ve been going there with my family since I was 16 years old”, said the 38-year-old general contractor. “I have friends there who rely on the tourist trade and do not want this to have a negative impact on their businesses, but I also want the authorities to be more forthcoming and do more to protect those who visit. Even though I was asked not to go to the media, I’ve decided to share my story here”.
Here, in his own words, is D’s account of the events.
“My girlfriend and I love going to Rocky Point. It’s a special place for us because it’s the first place we ever went together. The kids love it too. My son is 8 and her boy was celebrating his 11th birthday on the day this happened.
We had planned a 5-day vacation over the Christmas break for the four of us. Because of the birthday, we were excited and happy. As we crossed into Mexico we whooped and hollered in the car, excited to begin our much-anticipated vacation. Within minutes, we were living a nightmare.
Approximately five miles outside Sonoyta at 5:35, I passed a slow-moving (about 35 mph) Ford Expedition on the highway. It was an older model, maybe 1998, with faded red paint. As I attempted to pass, it suddenly swerved into me, as if to hit me. After I passed them, they sped up and pulled alongside on the driver’s side and his passenger lowered the window. I quickly and clearly saw that he was pointing a handgun right at me. I slammed on my brakes, and in that moment, he shot, hitting my driver’s side door.
I made a quick U-turn and drove as fast as I could back to Sonoyta, yelling at my family to duck down. The Expedition also turned and pursued me, at one point almost catching up. Taking no chances, I drove down the middle of the highway, maneuvering so they could not come up on my side. The whole time I was flashing my lights and honking my horn to get attention.
As we approached the city of Sonoyta, they must have realized they could not catch up before reaching the city, so they backed off their pursuit. On the way out of town I had spotted no fewer than 5 patrol cars. Now I couldn’t find one. I drove the streets, honking the horn driving erratically and yet no cops. Finally I found some standing around at the park in the middle of town. None spoke English. I am bilingual, but do struggle with verb conjugation.
I told them what happened and they got on their radios and sent out an alert. Then they took us to the police station, where we had to retell our story no fewer than 5 times. Amazingly, there is no one on the Sonoyta police force who speaks English.
We were nervous, cold and scared. The kids were traumatized. After all that, we were walked to another building for yet another retelling of the events. Told that we were with a police investigator, the young man admitted he was only a secretary, but he’d been told to pretend to be an investigator.
About 35 minutes later, a British couple arrived at the police station. Ten minutes after the attempt on us, the same guys managed to ram their car and pull them over. As everyone knows by now, their car and belongings were taken from them. My family and I stayed hours more in Sonoyta, as they had no one but me to translate for the other couple, who also had children with them.
By now, authorities in Rocky Point had been alerted to the situation. Oscar Palacio arranged for a police escort to Penasco for us. In light of what had just happened, I was surprised that on the drive I saw not one police cruiser.
We had rented a house in Las Conchas for our vacation, and we did eventually spend that night there, but after what we had been through, we were scared and just wanted to go home. We went to the police station in Penasco and asked to be escorted to the border. The officers were told to take good care of us, and they did.
Oscar Palacio called me shortly after we got home and assured me that great measures would be taken to make the highway safer for travelers. He promised to call me the next day.
Two days later, Fausto Soto called me. I felt he was simply placating me as he gave me vague statements of increased security. He was equally vague when I asked if a travel advisory had been issued. In that conversation he said that there is no way I could be reimbursed the amount spent on the rental, the repair to my truck or our travel expenses. And of course our 5-day vacation was ruined. It wasn’t even so much a matter of the money itself, but I felt, and still feel, that what happened to us wasn’t important enough to them that they would even attempt to make it up to us.
We’ve since been in contact with the other victims. The city provided them with an attorney to help expedite their insurance claim. While at the Sonoyta police department, we were able to identify the assailants in a photo lineup. I was told there would be someone contacting me in a day or two to follow up that lead. To date, I’ve received no calls.
In the video I saw, Fausto Soto said that this is the first time something like this has happened. Well, at the police station, an officer said it had happened just one week prior. Crossing back to the U.S., again I was told of a car being shot at in an attempted carjacking on the same stretch of highway.
Friends with business interests in Rocky Point have asked that I not go to the media. I don’t want to hurt anyone. But I do want the authorities to get the message that they must take measures like never before. I trust the RPNO to tell my story objectively with no exaggerating or cover-up. If I didn’t do it sooner, it’s because I wanted to give the authorities time to take the right measures to protect people”.
I added the bold accent/underline to the last sentence. I don't know Rosie, but if I was in her shoes I would refuse to remove the article regardless of the consequences. All you have is your integrity, and once compromised it's gone forever. This isn't the first time journalists were threatened to bury a story.
You guys crack me up. Here it is 3am and I decided to swing on in here to answer RPJoe’s pm. It never occurred to me that there would be such a flurry of activity over the article being unavailable. Geez... It was up for a long time, after all. Good work, Sub. Now let me address a few of the questions raised:
1. I HAVE a pair, thank you.
2. No one's business interests rank higher than your right to know about things that affect you, and certainly nothing is more important than your safety and that of other visitors to RP.
3. As Kenny said, I did get pressured. It wasn't the first time, it won't be the last. The biggest letdown this time was the speed with which my own readers turned on me. My integrity has been called into question. I have been accused of being a sellout. And the guy whose story we told has also been the victim of slander. And this was from people on the “we want to know” side of the fence.
4. No one "pulled the plug" on the article or forced me to take it down. I made the decision and told myself it was okay, because I'd had it up for two stinkin’ weeks.
5. The first week it was up, I felt it was informative, timely and relevant. After that, the tone of the emails I was getting changed and I started to notice that the negativity was being exploited by those who want to hammer home their own agendas and harm the city I live in or a young family man who was victimized.
6. A lot has happened in the last two weeks. Meetings with mayors (both Sonoyta and Penasco) and local business people (believe it or not, I actually have the support and friendship of many) brought a good plan of action for keeping people safer when they come down. Plans for Spring Break and other events are in full swing. Kenny said I walk a fine line. I'd like to think I do it well. Sometimes, I have to measure my actions and determine when something I'm doing is becoming counter-productive. I'm glad I published the article. I would do it again. I think it was time to bring it down and write about what has been done since. It will be archived and accessible, but I needed a break from all the emails. I didn't realize removing it would kick up such a ****storm. Seriously, I figured you all had read it in the first few days. Can I help it if you read too slowly?
7. Mentiras and Jeeper, please don't call for a boycott on the businesses you think pressured me! That made me laugh out loud (lovingly, of course, because I think you gals are great), the biggest complainers this time have been condo owners (yes, Jerry...the coopers).
8. If you guys want to help me convince the RP establishment that giving non-Spanish-speakers information is not a bad thing, then please send me emails to that effect. I’ll publish them and pass along to the mayor and his peeps. Maybe if we get lots and lots of them, they will catch on.
P.S. To whoever wrote this: [COLOR=#0000ff][email protected][/COLOR]
Message: Please tell us why the article has been removed regarding the carjacking. As of now the integrity of this publication is in question. I hope no one's safety has been compromised and that an update will follow regarding the removal of the article.
Let me say that your integrity is in question if you hide behind an alias. I don’t. I hate heavy-handedness. Couldn’t you have asked nicely if I’m okay? I take enough crap in an effort to bring you information, I don’t need more.
1. I HAVE a pair, thank you.
2. No one's business interests rank higher than your right to know about things that affect you, and certainly nothing is more important than your safety and that of other visitors to RP.
3. As Kenny said, I did get pressured. It wasn't the first time, it won't be the last. The biggest letdown this time was the speed with which my own readers turned on me. My integrity has been called into question. I have been accused of being a sellout. And the guy whose story we told has also been the victim of slander. And this was from people on the “we want to know” side of the fence.
4. No one "pulled the plug" on the article or forced me to take it down. I made the decision and told myself it was okay, because I'd had it up for two stinkin’ weeks.
5. The first week it was up, I felt it was informative, timely and relevant. After that, the tone of the emails I was getting changed and I started to notice that the negativity was being exploited by those who want to hammer home their own agendas and harm the city I live in or a young family man who was victimized.
6. A lot has happened in the last two weeks. Meetings with mayors (both Sonoyta and Penasco) and local business people (believe it or not, I actually have the support and friendship of many) brought a good plan of action for keeping people safer when they come down. Plans for Spring Break and other events are in full swing. Kenny said I walk a fine line. I'd like to think I do it well. Sometimes, I have to measure my actions and determine when something I'm doing is becoming counter-productive. I'm glad I published the article. I would do it again. I think it was time to bring it down and write about what has been done since. It will be archived and accessible, but I needed a break from all the emails. I didn't realize removing it would kick up such a ****storm. Seriously, I figured you all had read it in the first few days. Can I help it if you read too slowly?
7. Mentiras and Jeeper, please don't call for a boycott on the businesses you think pressured me! That made me laugh out loud (lovingly, of course, because I think you gals are great), the biggest complainers this time have been condo owners (yes, Jerry...the coopers).
8. If you guys want to help me convince the RP establishment that giving non-Spanish-speakers information is not a bad thing, then please send me emails to that effect. I’ll publish them and pass along to the mayor and his peeps. Maybe if we get lots and lots of them, they will catch on.
P.S. To whoever wrote this: [COLOR=#0000ff][email protected][/COLOR]
Message: Please tell us why the article has been removed regarding the carjacking. As of now the integrity of this publication is in question. I hope no one's safety has been compromised and that an update will follow regarding the removal of the article.
Let me say that your integrity is in question if you hide behind an alias. I don’t. I hate heavy-handedness. Couldn’t you have asked nicely if I’m okay? I take enough crap in an effort to bring you information, I don’t need more.
Rosie,
I didn't call for a boycott; I just asked if anyone had saved the article in their archives and could repost it. A journalist can never make everybody happy but I appreciate all that you do. We need to know all the news, good or bad. It sure is awful how much my favorite little beach hang-out has changed since 1966 tho....................
I didn't call for a boycott; I just asked if anyone had saved the article in their archives and could repost it. A journalist can never make everybody happy but I appreciate all that you do. We need to know all the news, good or bad. It sure is awful how much my favorite little beach hang-out has changed since 1966 tho....................
PitiquitoRosy said:You guys crack me up. Here it is 3am and I decided to swing on in here to answer RPJoe’s pm. It never occurred to me that there would be such a flurry of activity over the article being unavailable. Geez... It was up for a long time, after all. Good work, Sub. Now let me address a few of the questions raised:
1. I HAVE a pair, thank you.
2. No one's business interests rank higher than your right to know about things that affect you, and certainly nothing is more important than your safety and that of other visitors to RP.
3. As Kenny said, I did get pressured. It wasn't the first time, it won't be the last. The biggest letdown this time was the speed with which my own readers turned on me. My integrity has been called into question. I have been accused of being a sellout. And the guy whose story we told has also been the victim of slander. And this was from people on the “we want to know” side of the fence.
4. No one "pulled the plug" on the article or forced me to take it down. I made the decision and told myself it was okay, because I'd had it up for two stinkin’ weeks.
5. The first week it was up, I felt it was informative, timely and relevant. After that, the tone of the emails I was getting changed and I started to notice that the negativity was being exploited by those who want to hammer home their own agendas and harm the city I live in or a young family man who was victimized.
6. A lot has happened in the last two weeks. Meetings with mayors (both Sonoyta and Penasco) and local business people (believe it or not, I actually have the support and friendship of many) brought a good plan of action for keeping people safer when they come down. Plans for Spring Break and other events are in full swing. Kenny said I walk a fine line. I'd like to think I do it well. Sometimes, I have to measure my actions and determine when something I'm doing is becoming counter-productive. I'm glad I published the article. I would do it again. I think it was time to bring it down and write about what has been done since. It will be archived and accessible, but I needed a break from all the emails. I didn't realize removing it would kick up such a ****storm. Seriously, I figured you all had read it in the first few days. Can I help it if you read too slowly?
7. Mentiras and Jeeper, please don't call for a boycott on the businesses you think pressured me! That made me laugh out loud (lovingly, of course, because I think you gals are great), the biggest complainers this time have been condo owners (yes, Jerry...the coopers).
8. If you guys want to help me convince the RP establishment that giving non-Spanish-speakers information is not a bad thing, then please send me emails to that effect. I’ll publish them and pass along to the mayor and his peeps. Maybe if we get lots and lots of them, they will catch on.
P.S. To whoever wrote this: [COLOR=#0000ff][email protected][/COLOR]
Message: Please tell us why the article has been removed regarding the carjacking. As of now the integrity of this publication is in question. I hope no one's safety has been compromised and that an update will follow regarding the removal of the article.
Let me say that your integrity is in question if you hide behind an alias. I don’t. I hate heavy-handedness. Couldn’t you have asked nicely if I’m okay? I take enough crap in an effort to bring you information, I don’t need more.
Rosy...good to see you come on again and respond to some of our questions and concerns....I just went thru the posts on this thread, and it's funny that some of the things you mention were never posted on here.....apparently we have a bunch of lurkers on the Forum who are capable of putting their concerns/complaints in emails...but not out in the public. And your statement concerning the "coopers"......now that is "interesting".
I think it's obvious that when I begin to feel besieged I get kinda testy.
As time goes by, you guys will figure out (probably because I'll tell you) who the people/businesses in town are that would muzzle me. Sometimes I'm shocked and hurt when someone I thought understood says, "ÿou're hurting Penasco with your articles", or worse yet, demand that I cease and desist. Then there are those who meet behind my back and strategize about how the hell to shut me up.
While my feathers do get ruffled, I am not physically at risk. If you want to know who the good guys are, check out my advertisers. If you want to thank them for supporting me, please visit their establishments.
And if you want to know who the real good guys are...look in the mirror.
As time goes by, you guys will figure out (probably because I'll tell you) who the people/businesses in town are that would muzzle me. Sometimes I'm shocked and hurt when someone I thought understood says, "ÿou're hurting Penasco with your articles", or worse yet, demand that I cease and desist. Then there are those who meet behind my back and strategize about how the hell to shut me up.
While my feathers do get ruffled, I am not physically at risk. If you want to know who the good guys are, check out my advertisers. If you want to thank them for supporting me, please visit their establishments.
And if you want to know who the real good guys are...look in the mirror.
I think we all get super protective when the one person we know with the biggest pair, who CAN'T be muzzled has something like this happen! We just all pretty much imagined the type of conversation that would have to take place and we're ready to ride to your rescue just like you do us! We were going to single-handedly take down those businesses, and RUN their butts out of town and impeach selfish officials, that sort of thing. I hope you know that from us regulars, that is what was going on. But, hey, that's just us.
I'm glad someone kept their sense of humor! YOU!
I'm glad someone kept their sense of humor! YOU!
Well good to hear you haven't been castrated, literally or figuratively! I'm satisfied with your explanation although I disagree with the decision to remove the article entirely at this time. I assumed that articles on RPNewsonline were just rotated down as new ones were added, so to remove it completely frankly smelled fishy. Your website is not very widely known, and I have never seen a reference to it other than at this forum.
No problem was ever solved by hiding the truth, and your website only benefits PP by providing that truth. These 'cease and desist-ers' are shortsighted and misguided in thinking that its better to fool the timid into visiting PP. Those are the last people they should want to attract for even a small incident, such as the normal occurrance of seeing a Federale checkpoint, can scare them into telling all their friends how dangerous it was.
If PP tourism promoters were smart, they would discourage the whole Spring Break festivites even at the short term cost, because that mostly brings 1 or 2 timer college students who perpetuate the opinion of how crazy and lawless Mexico can be. Just one more reason why PP will probably never rise to the level of a world class travel destination.
I was wondering if you are in PP fulltime or split U.S./Mexico. I'm not clear on what the laws are regarding a free press in Mexico. While I respect and admire the Mike Lacey and Jim Larkin type of journalist, I would understand balancing your desire not to be thrown into a cell and left to rot without our protections and due process as we enjoy here. I share a similar burden standing up to my company as a representative for the Teamsters Union, and I never shy away from my responsibilites regardless of the personal cost. You just have to ask yourself if you can live with your decisions, and it sounds like you have already answered that question.
I have found when soliciting emails that it helps to provide a template for what you are trying to convey. Some will just copy and sign it, some will add to it, others will take your theme and expand upon it.
You are right on in your assessment of anonymous emailers. Only cowards hide behind fake emails and PM's. Either take a stand, right or wrong, or STFU.
No problem was ever solved by hiding the truth, and your website only benefits PP by providing that truth. These 'cease and desist-ers' are shortsighted and misguided in thinking that its better to fool the timid into visiting PP. Those are the last people they should want to attract for even a small incident, such as the normal occurrance of seeing a Federale checkpoint, can scare them into telling all their friends how dangerous it was.
If PP tourism promoters were smart, they would discourage the whole Spring Break festivites even at the short term cost, because that mostly brings 1 or 2 timer college students who perpetuate the opinion of how crazy and lawless Mexico can be. Just one more reason why PP will probably never rise to the level of a world class travel destination.
I was wondering if you are in PP fulltime or split U.S./Mexico. I'm not clear on what the laws are regarding a free press in Mexico. While I respect and admire the Mike Lacey and Jim Larkin type of journalist, I would understand balancing your desire not to be thrown into a cell and left to rot without our protections and due process as we enjoy here. I share a similar burden standing up to my company as a representative for the Teamsters Union, and I never shy away from my responsibilites regardless of the personal cost. You just have to ask yourself if you can live with your decisions, and it sounds like you have already answered that question.
I have found when soliciting emails that it helps to provide a template for what you are trying to convey. Some will just copy and sign it, some will add to it, others will take your theme and expand upon it.
You are right on in your assessment of anonymous emailers. Only cowards hide behind fake emails and PM's. Either take a stand, right or wrong, or STFU.
Sub, Rocky Point News Online is a fairly new publication, but with widespread respect and viewership among RP regulars and especially on this forum. Many of us know Rosie personally and have been witnesses to (figuratively, not literally) her "pair." Rosie, where did the misinformation that you were bullied in to taking the story down come from?
Well it certainly doesn't have to do much to surpass the bar set by the Rocky Point Times now does it?
I think that taking the article down was a smart move for Rosie's well being. If anyone thinks that people won't get hurt over loss of money in mexico,
they are better off not crossing the border at all......
they are better off not crossing the border at all......
PitiquitoRosy said:You guys crack me up. Here it is 3am and I decided to swing on in here to answer RPJoe’s pm. It never occurred to me that there would be such a flurry of activity over the article being unavailable. Geez... It was up for a long time, after all. Good work, Sub. Now let me address a few of the questions raised:
1. I HAVE a pair, thank you.
2. No one's business interests rank higher than your right to know about things that affect you, and certainly nothing is more important than your safety and that of other visitors to RP.
3. As Kenny said, I did get pressured. It wasn't the first time, it won't be the last. The biggest letdown this time was the speed with which my own readers turned on me. My integrity has been called into question. I have been accused of being a sellout. And the guy whose story we told has also been the victim of slander. And this was from people on the “we want to know” side of the fence.
4. No one "pulled the plug" on the article or forced me to take it down. I made the decision and told myself it was okay, because I'd had it up for two stinkin’ weeks.
5. The first week it was up, I felt it was informative, timely and relevant. After that, the tone of the emails I was getting changed and I started to notice that the negativity was being exploited by those who want to hammer home their own agendas and harm the city I live in or a young family man who was victimized.
6. A lot has happened in the last two weeks. Meetings with mayors (both Sonoyta and Penasco) and local business people (believe it or not, I actually have the support and friendship of many) brought a good plan of action for keeping people safer when they come down. Plans for Spring Break and other events are in full swing. Kenny said I walk a fine line. I'd like to think I do it well. Sometimes, I have to measure my actions and determine when something I'm doing is becoming counter-productive. I'm glad I published the article. I would do it again. I think it was time to bring it down and write about what has been done since. It will be archived and accessible, but I needed a break from all the emails. I didn't realize removing it would kick up such a ****storm. Seriously, I figured you all had read it in the first few days. Can I help it if you read too slowly?
7. Mentiras and Jeeper, please don't call for a boycott on the businesses you think pressured me! That made me laugh out loud (lovingly, of course, because I think you gals are great), the biggest complainers this time have been condo owners (yes, Jerry...the coopers).
8. If you guys want to help me convince the RP establishment that giving non-Spanish-speakers information is not a bad thing, then please send me emails to that effect. I’ll publish them and pass along to the mayor and his peeps. Maybe if we get lots and lots of them, they will catch on.
P.S. To whoever wrote this: [COLOR=#0000ff][email protected][/COLOR]
Message: Please tell us why the article has been removed regarding the carjacking. As of now the integrity of this publication is in question. I hope no one's safety has been compromised and that an update will follow regarding the removal of the article.
Let me say that your integrity is in question if you hide behind an alias. I don’t. I hate heavy-handedness. Couldn’t you have asked nicely if I’m okay? I take enough crap in an effort to bring you information, I don’t need more.
Okay, the witness's account was published "for two stinkin weeks", now it's not. Rosie's feathers don't get russeled easily, and she does a good job at walking the fine line of journalistic discretion. Pardon me, but who TF cares. I'm willing to bet the couple who had their car jacked, or family that was shot at didn't shake it off in two weeks.
No offense Rosie, but how could you possiibly not be suprised by the "flurry of activity", especially with this subject. Hopefully these ten pages should provide a hint. What's puzzling me is where's the follow up. The suspect was identified in a photo line up, have they caught him, has anyone followed up with Mr. D regarding the lead? What has happened with this story. Good or bad it'd be nice to read some update or closure to this.
PitiquitoRosy said:You guys crack me up. Here it is 3am and I decided to swing on in here to answer RPJoe’s pm. It never occurred to me that there would be such a flurry of activity over the article being unavailable. Geez... It was up for a long time, after all. Good work, Sub. Now let me address a few of the questions raised:
1. I HAVE a pair, thank you.
2. No one's business interests rank higher than your right to know about things that affect you, and certainly nothing is more important than your safety and that of other visitors to RP.
3. As Kenny said, I did get pressured. It wasn't the first time, it won't be the last. The biggest letdown this time was the speed with which my own readers turned on me. My integrity has been called into question. I have been accused of being a sellout. And the guy whose story we told has also been the victim of slander. And this was from people on the “we want to know” side of the fence.
4. No one "pulled the plug" on the article or forced me to take it down. I made the decision and told myself it was okay, because I'd had it up for two stinkin’ weeks.
5. The first week it was up, I felt it was informative, timely and relevant. After that, the tone of the emails I was getting changed and I started to notice that the negativity was being exploited by those who want to hammer home their own agendas and harm the city I live in or a young family man who was victimized.
6. A lot has happened in the last two weeks. Meetings with mayors (both Sonoyta and Penasco) and local business people (believe it or not, I actually have the support and friendship of many) brought a good plan of action for keeping people safer when they come down. Plans for Spring Break and other events are in full swing. Kenny said I walk a fine line. I'd like to think I do it well. Sometimes, I have to measure my actions and determine when something I'm doing is becoming counter-productive. I'm glad I published the article. I would do it again. I think it was time to bring it down and write about what has been done since. It will be archived and accessible, but I needed a break from all the emails. I didn't realize removing it would kick up such a ****storm. Seriously, I figured you all had read it in the first few days. Can I help it if you read too slowly?
7. Mentiras and Jeeper, please don't call for a boycott on the businesses you think pressured me! That made me laugh out loud (lovingly, of course, because I think you gals are great), the biggest complainers this time have been condo owners (yes, Jerry...the coopers).
8. If you guys want to help me convince the RP establishment that giving non-Spanish-speakers information is not a bad thing, then please send me emails to that effect. I’ll publish them and pass along to the mayor and his peeps. Maybe if we get lots and lots of them, they will catch on.
P.S. To whoever wrote this: [COLOR=#0000ff][email protected][/COLOR]
Message: Please tell us why the article has been removed regarding the carjacking. As of now the integrity of this publication is in question. I hope no one's safety has been compromised and that an update will follow regarding the removal of the article.
Let me say that your integrity is in question if you hide behind an alias. I don’t. I hate heavy-handedness. Couldn’t you have asked nicely if I’m okay? I take enough crap in an effort to bring you information, I don’t need more.
I think we all can appreciate the effort it took to put this story out there on the editors part. At the same time, if someone is going to have a respected news and informational website, then that is also part of the job description. So thank you for putting this story out there. It does help with those traveling to and from PP and the planning and precautions that would be wise to take.
The problem I have with taking it down relates to #6 in the editors reply "Seriously, I figured you all had read it in the first few days. Can I help it if you read too slowly?" While you said that you are not in physical harm or worried about business pressure, why take it down then? There has got to be another explanation besides not wanting to receive emails. Just delete them if you do not want to read or reply to them. "Reading to slowly" is a weak and almost patronizing response.
#4 was also pretty weak, "I made the decision and told myself it was okay, because I'd had it up for two stinkin’ weeks." For something so important, this story should stay up. Also, stating that you wanted to focus on the solution would provide no real reference or correlation to new readers if the original story, in its entirety, is not available.
I found this article from way back in '09, http://www.rockypointnewsonline.com/....html?start=10 , which is still up. For whatever reason, the editor was not worried about this article being read TOO SLOWLY. I would think that a story on car jacking between Sonoita and PP would be more important to keep around than the announcement of Lily Vega's new "Sex City" adjacent to the Super Ley .
I get the "heat" being received and that really is unfortunate. But like the good cook, the respected newsperson has to handle the heat as well or get out of the kitchen. And, the title of the website is
rockypointNEWSonline.
if the story was reported in the Rocky Point Times it would have looked like this:
Dateline Sonoyta
In a boost to Americans traveling to Rocky Point for Christmas local Sonoyta business men are arranging a car exchange program near the old Bull Ring. Your car will be taken and detailed and you get a ride with the police chief back to your Rocky Point Pigeon Coup.The car will be returned with some Marijuana packaging material and bullets on the floor boards for your trip back to the border. Hey while in Mexico don't forget it's not to late to purchase one of those Playa Azul condos we've been slinging.Now is a good time to buy!
Dateline Sonoyta
In a boost to Americans traveling to Rocky Point for Christmas local Sonoyta business men are arranging a car exchange program near the old Bull Ring. Your car will be taken and detailed and you get a ride with the police chief back to your Rocky Point Pigeon Coup.The car will be returned with some Marijuana packaging material and bullets on the floor boards for your trip back to the border. Hey while in Mexico don't forget it's not to late to purchase one of those Playa Azul condos we've been slinging.Now is a good time to buy!
There are more than a few regulars on this forum that are glad it was taken out, and cringe each time there is a reply of any kind on this thread, or the other. Who might they be? Think about it, but don't look for their name's on this thread..it won't be there.
Last edited: Jan 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM
jerry said:if the story was reported in the Rocky Point Times it would have looked like this:
Dateline Sonoyta
In a boost to Americans traveling to Rocky Point for Christmas local Sonoyta business men are arranging a car exchange program near the old Bull Ring. Your car will be taken and detailed and you get a ride with the police chief back to your Rocky Point Pigeon Coup.The car will be returned with some Marijuana packaging material and bullets on the floor boards for your trip back to the border. Hey while in Mexico don't forget it's not to late to purchase one of those Playa Azul condos we've been slinging.Now is a good time to buy!
Jerry I'm surprise you would slander such a good publication and type such inaccuracies! The article would read: "Now is a GREAT time to buy!"
Submarine said:Jerry I'm surprise you would slander such a good publication and type such inaccuracies! The article would read: "Now is a GREAT time to buy!"
Actually Sub, if you were interested in buying a condo....er...pigeoncoop (IF:stir:), now is the time to buy...people are giving them away.....I heard of one Princessa 2 bedroom, ground floor, by the pool, having been sold for about $150K....I believe that's less than what it went for back when the Princessa was built, and everybody went bonkers with the prices!!!
Just think of all those "used to be" wealthy folks who bought several "for investment" now having to carry $350-600 in monthly maintenance fees, plus electricity...you know, the ones who thought they could cover their mortgage payments with rentals!!!:rofl:
Last edited: Jan 20, 2010 at 3:08 PM
Speaking of the good old "pigeoncoop", it's a new year, and some of us have been talking about seeing about getting our old friend HAPPY back on the form. What say Tyler? He can't be any more negative than that post by rplarry, *****ing at Rosie.
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Kenny said:Speaking of the good old "pigeoncoop", it's a new year, and some of us have been talking about seeing about getting our old friend HAPPY back on the form. What say Tyler? He can't be any more negative than that post by rplarry, *****ing at Rosie.
Kenny, you are the consummate "blind defender". If you don't care for the person posting, you'll attack that person. If you are defending someone who you are fond of who is receiving a critique, you'll attack the person who was critical. In this case, I am just lucky to be both.
Curious though, what was so negative about the truthful comments I posted? I would guess that most people, including "Bob Oso", feel the way I do about this serious topic (and you didn't slam him for being negative) . Seriously, where was I being negative versus pointing out a concern that many on this site have expressed to have transparent, accurate and available information, and not having bold retractions of real life incidents like being car jacked and accosted just trying to drive 60 miles from the border to Rocky Point? If this is not happening, then let's see some stories to refute the recent events and provide some peace of mind. Retracting a story after ONLY 2 WEEKS by telling readers that they read too slow or that it had been "on for two stinkin' weeks" and that is the decision for removal, really hurts credibility.
If rockypointnewsonline is just there provide advertisement, then great. But, I think the editor is trying to run a legitimate news and informational site with all the good, bad and ugly. At least that is what we have been thought to believe.
Is there anyone else who feels this way or is Kenny correct that I was just being negative?
Larry you need to really really work on being so darn negative.I will pray for you.
This incident hasn't gotten legs because there was no blood.The narcos that run the plaza have huge sums of money sunk in Pigeon Coop world.They will not let this get out of hand.Trust the free narket to solve this problem.
This incident hasn't gotten legs because there was no blood.The narcos that run the plaza have huge sums of money sunk in Pigeon Coop world.They will not let this get out of hand.Trust the free narket to solve this problem.
Kenny said:Speaking of the good old "pigeoncoop", it's a new year, and some of us have been talking about seeing about getting our old friend HAPPY back on the form. What say Tyler? He can't be any more negative than that post by rplarry, *****ing at Rosie.
:mexico::deadhorse::rofl:
In this case, I am just lucky to be both.
Well you got that part right.
So now let me see if I got this right. You've just been hanging around looking for a opportunity to what, "have transparent, accurate and available information" and "some peace of mind"?
It happened, and anyone who thinks it didn't is foolish, or is just not paying attention. Like Terry noted though, the account of two cars stoled in PP prior to this, and from these same people is a long long shot, and should raise a eyebrow. What are the odds of that? One the other hand, I heard about what happened to the first couple that turned around and got away a day after it happened from a friend that lives in PP. Their is no question what so ever that that was a straight up account, and first hand. That basically was the same story that Stuart posted at the beginning of the first thread (car jacking), and when I jumped in with part of what I knew... You were given the make and color of the car that tried to stop the first people, it was the same Ford that got the second car to stop. Both parties in question saw each other at the police station in Sonoita, that's a fact. There was even a press conferance, if you will, about it.. Must be some kind of conspiracy going on here, and Rosie is part of it, and that's why you are not getting someone to hold your hand. But wait, as Roberto said,"You don't get minute by minute reporting on a car jacking in the US, Vehicle color and type, license plate, name of registered owner of that plate, direction they were driving in, direction they went, etc. etc. etc" The fact's look more like these guy's were using drugs, not selling them, or getting ready to get some. How do you defend agaist a couple of wing nut's like those "two" no matter where you are at?.
OK, now for that peace of mind you are looking for..Look within Larry, either you got it, or you don't. LOL... Look, we all knew something was going to happen someday, didn't we? What did you do with that knowledge then Larry, and what are you going to do now, except *****? The positive thing about all this is that even though we all knew something was going to happen, when it did, this time no one was hurt. What you all do differently now, even though thinking people knew something was going to happen eventually, and something will again, is up to the individual. For myself, I'm saving for a pigeon coup, I'm tired of sleeping under trailers.
Kenny
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playaperro said::mexico::deadhorse::rofl:
Original Dog playa, do you know what the difference between you and rplarry is?...
....... Do ya give?.....OK,......he's smart.Last edited: Jan 20, 2010 at 5:55 PM
Bob Oso said:No offense Rosie, but how could you possiibly not be suprised by the "flurry of activity", especially with this subject. Hopefully these ten pages should provide a hint. What's puzzling me is where's the follow up. The suspect was identified in a photo line up, have they caught him, has anyone followed up with Mr. D regarding the lead? What has happened with this story. Good or bad it'd be nice to read some update or closure to this.
Wait a minute, is it just me, or are you being condescending? If so, you'll find that sometimes they (my feathers) get "russeled" easier than expected.
Considering the seriousness of the topic, I was not surprised by the strong reactions to reports of the crime...not at all. What I referred to as a flurry of activity, was that which I found on this site as a result of the article being taken down. People worried about my safety, thinking I sold out, (not everything was posted here, online...some was via email), etc., etc.
Nothing has changed. Same old RPNO and same old Rosie. Someone on here said the site is little-known. Apparently it's more widely read than even I realized. As for the follow-up, it's coming...geez, maybe if you snap your fingers it will arrive faster. If that doesn't work...hold your breath. If you don't have it by tomorrow, I'll give you a free one-year subscription, how's that?
Mentiras y Traición said:I think we all get super protective when the one person we know with the biggest pair, who CAN'T be muzzled has something like this happen! We just all pretty much imagined the type of conversation that would have to take place and we're ready to ride to your rescue just like you do us! We were going to single-handedly take down those businesses, and RUN their butts out of town and impeach selfish officials, that sort of thing. I hope you know that from us regulars, that is what was going on. But, hey, that's just us.
I'm glad someone kept their sense of humor! YOU!
Yep, I know you guys...and the feeling is mutual. Now let me get to work before someone reports me MIA (again).