Don, and Happy and I, and a few others have been throwing around some ideas for a fishing tournament for some time now, and we have been looking at the first weekend of March, before spring break as a target date. We thought that we could reach enough fisherman on this site to make it happen. Ideas have been thrown around about how to structure it for the maximum amount of fun and participation. Don has even come up with a idea on how we could get the shore, and inshore fisherman involved in the fun. We have just been throwing ideas up in the air about it so far, and I was hoping to get some thoughts about what you guy's thought about the general idea of a Rockypointtalk fishing tournament in March, and any ideas you would like to throw out there.
hey kenny i'm all over that. just get some details together. on entry fees and species, times and dates and im sure most of the guys who launch out of safe marina would be more than willing to participate. some of us need time to plan for the time to come down. you might also want to check the tides also. let me know what i can do to help.
hey kenny i'm all over that. just get some details together. on entry fees and species, times and dates and im sure most of the guys who launch out of safe marina would be more than willing to participate. some of us need time to plan for the time to come down. you might also want to check the tides also. let me know what i can do to help.
The first weekend in March looks like a good tide, with Sunday being the best if I remember right. Don has been brainstorming this deal, and some of his ideas are about making this a tournament that everyone has fun regardless of what kind of boat or skill level they have. One thought was that since it's March, and some of the fisherman either don't have a boat that's capable, or is slow, or maybe they have never felt comfortable going to the 51, that we would make it off limits in a effort to level the playing field, and give more people a chance to participate. This was just one thought, and with the idea of making this a community tournament, I think it has merit. What you and Scott can do is throw out any ideas that you have. That goes for all of you.. I think what we will need to pull this first annual off, is our community working together to make this as fun as possible, for as many people as possible.
Mark, if we get the rule's, fish type's and all that right on this deal, it might be possible for someone, or a group on a charter the possibility of winning or showing well. We think it would be best to open this up to as many people as possible, not just the hard core boy's.
All right, we have Kelney, Doug and Scott, and of course Don and maybe Happy.. Heck Mark, when I said it would be cool to make it a community event, how could you not jump in. Tyler doesn't know this yet, but I've made him and rockypointtalk out overall sponsor, but Mark or whoever, we'll need a place to meet after to share stories and tell lies about the one that got away and such. The Cholla has JJ's, we'll need a place as well.
We all know how the weather go's down there, and in some respects it's a crap shoot.The the only way we're going to make this a go, is to just keep the faith that's it's going to be a good weekend, and just show up unless buoy weather shows it's a big no go.
Start thinking about the types of fish, divisions if you will, and a breakdown so the pot gets spread around some. I suspect Don's been pretty busy up in flag. We were hit kinda hard here, but he was slammed up there, and we both have schools to get up and running again tomorrow.
Ohhh Stuart, Dan, ric, where are you?
I would be willing to offer any open spots on my boat for people who dont have the capabilitys to go far offshore. as long as cost are split. I'm sure other capts would do the same. all the ones i know anyway. As for keeping the deeper reefs off limits not a good idea. the closer reefs don't produce well in early march. That is why there would have to be a species catagory. I hate to say it but i aint gonna catch trigger fish and rock bass all day. No matter what the pay out. I think we could have a capts meeting at al capones grill and bar. and do awards and recognitios there i'm positive the owner will go for that. I can ask him some time this week. He is all about fishing and participating in events. Lets gets some more ideas out there . the more the better.
If you have room you can count me in. This sounds like fun. I was coming down the next weekend, now I have a excuse just to stay.
Good deal Chuck. What I'm thinking is that there are enough people on this forum who do not have a boat, but who would like to get involved in a outing like this, that the guy's with boats will easily be able to get the appropriate number of people on their boat to share coast's. I see this as a win win situation, for the guy's with boats, and for some who have been looking for a opportunity to get out on the water. If you have a boat, but you don't have anyone at this time to share cost's, you might think about posting up that you are looking for fishing buddies for the tournament.
Edit ..Wow! do I type slow or what..LOL I started before Reelhard had posted..LOL OK, I did do a few things while typing it.
No one mentioned the deeper reefs, just the 51, and that's not in stone. But if you think about it, Stuart for instance, and other faster boats would be out there fishing way before a lot of others, and talk about a possibe crowd as well... I think I just read that you were thinking about doing a little Grouper hunting next time out yourself, even though you know as well as I do that it's better closer in when the water warms up.
Heck, I'm just going to the fish market and buying the biggest fish I can find as my entry. Hahahah!
It would almost have to be a species-specific tournament at that time of year. Biggest corvina, biggest snapper, biggest pinto, biggest lizardfish, etc. As previously said, there's really not much action close-in at that time of year. Those that can't run out far will be at a big disadvantage, except for the triggerfish and sand bass categories. The only other thing I could think of is sort of the way they run some of the tournaments in Cabo. Have a fleet of pangas, everybody draws a panga name, and your group of three or four fishes on that panga. Kinda levels the playing field a bit, but adds to the expense of it.
I'm in and I always have room for a fisherman or 2. I agree that if we count the 51 out that I'm out, the fishing inshore isn't so hot this time of year and all of us who fish the deeper reefs get out there pretty quick. Species catagories is the best way to go. Count me and Willy in.
Hey fellas, worked thru lunch yesterday, went to PT, went to second job, got home after 8 last night. I'm editing (changing tourney rules/regs as I see posts). Kenny, glad you brought the idea forward! Hope to wrap this up and post so you fellas can make recommendations.
Reason why Kenny and I chose the March date is because that was the best time for some of us to get together. We avoided Spring break (all 3 Universities have break on week of 3-15), so the first weekend looked best for tides.
I've never had a problem catching groupers (smaller varieties please) and an occasional red snapper in March... but then again, I haven't fished the deeper reefs at that time. That said, I'll probably be fish-less that weekend. I do not target triggers or sand bass, they are just "by catch", and released unless used for bait.:wink:
jj,s has a tournament coming up feb 12-14,cholla bay sportsman club has one that starts mar 5-7 , both tournaments have several phases to them
I should have checked, but oh well...The good news is there is no question that we will be able to get us a little rockypointtalk fishing tournament going from the great response we've had in just a few day's. There also is no question that we need to change the date. No way do we want to have it the same weekend as Cholla Bay sportsman club is having their's.
We just had a thread where we were talking about Spring, and renewal and rebirth, and the first week of June in PP has been my favorite time down there for as long as I can remember. The sea is alive with activity at that time. Since we are going to have a variety of fish on our target list, and hopefully a lot of different types of boats, and fisherman of all levels, June should fit the bill. I've also found it one of the best months to fish the Estuary's too. It would give most everyone a opportunity to get things together for the event, and maybe even make plan's for some time off as well. I'm sure at that time Mark would be able to pull some strings for a few deals that would make it more affordable as well. ( hi Mark LOL) I like the idea of having our gathering at the Jim's place, (as long as there is not a big Soccer game going on) and that's my vote on that part of it.
What do you guy's think? Lets hear what you have to say about your tornament.
Whoops, Thanks for the heads up Ralph....My dads name.
June would make this at least possible for us - first week in March is not possible at all.
I agree that having a new friendly tourney the same weekend as an existing one doesn't make sense.
you'll figure out a time when this is right - Kenny seems to know these seasons pretty well :)
June sounds better to me,we could have a shore fishing day too!
In the meantime if any of you guys ever wanted to try San Carlos a guy I know is putting a trip together:
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Trip does not include:
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Another late night, heading to CA in AM, (Bird dog trials).
Kenny, Happy and I tossed around the idea of modelling this tourney after sportfishing tourneys.
Different classes of pursuit, 3 total, [1. Shore, 2. Inshore (within 4 miles of shore line and less than 26 HP) and 3. Offshore]
Specie specific classes.
Here's the biggie: encourage a limited take for OFFSHOREBOATS ONLY, so as not to turn this into a tonnage/body count (we're above that and we've all commented on exploitation issues). So, for a "Tournament", consider a higher rung on our take.
By limited take allow only one fish (KEPT) per angler (per specie) to be weighed, but that fish has a 50% weight reduction penalty. Note: see last thought on this penalty.
However, prior to the start each captain would be issued a measuring tape and an SD chip for their digital camera. As fish are brought aboard, they're measured (length plus widest circumference) measurements photographed. Fish is released unharmed. At check in, photos downloaded to lap top (for clarity and publication). Fish weight determined using standard fish weight dimension scale. All fish released (plus one kept) weight would be totalled to arrive at a grand total for specie/per angler. Captain splits pot with winning angler(s).
Shore and inshore boats will have a set limit on numbers of fish to be weighed, per specie. This weight to be divided by total numbers weighed to arrive at average weight (promotes culling). This average weight will be Tournament weight for their specie/pursuit class.
Boats cannot leave dock with live bait, and all live bait must caught morning of derby.
Start Time: 0700.
Check in time: 1800 Saturday, 1400 Sunday, at Camel toe or JJ's or?.
Duration: 2 days
Meet at (?) for Registration Friday, 1800 till 2100.
Entry fee $30.00 (?) per angler. 20% of fee given to Marks favorite (PP) charity. Remainder split on 1st place per pursuit type /specie/. Can have Second place if enough $.
Thoughts? comments?
Obviously we need judge criteria (how many judges, whom, tie splitters, etc.).
Since it will be June, spoiling is an issue...Instead of a 50% weight penalty, we enter dressed weight. Thoughts?
PS: I haven't looked at tides first weekend in June yet.
Don, i think the inshore anglers should release thier catches instead of the offshore fishermen. the reefs are to deep off shore and the fish wont survive due to the expantion of thier air bladders.
All they have posted on the wesite so far is the date. Go to www.cometorockypoint.com Make sure that you look at the pictures of last years tournament so you can see Team Reel Hard which finished second last year.
These fish were caught at Marua estuary in June. The picture was taken at a house in Encanto though... Imagine a belt line, because the one on the right was a very decent fish too. I was fishing a Vintage rod and reel, a light 7 footer. He reminded me of a Steelhead, because when he felt the hook, he headed back down the Estuary toward the open water in a big hurry... A fish like this, and the one's Wahoo posted are a kick with light gear.
No question there reelhard, most of the fish from the real deep reefs are beyond venting. I do remember one 45lb or so Black that did though, and at 280.. We were putting the gaff to him and the first attempt bounce off him. He not only threw the hook, he went back down. He never popped back up that we could see.
Keep the ideas coming. Between all us hard heads, we'll figure out a way to make this work...
"Captain splits pot with winning angler(s)"...
Where did this idea come from Captain Don?LOL... I have a captains hat, does that count?
Wahoo, that is a nice-looking Corvina taken from the kayak.
I'd be interested in inshore if this coincides with our trip if it's early June or late May. Would a kayak be sufficient?
Ric clued me in on how boat prop shy Corvina are when we were fishing off the rocks at Cholla. All it would take was one boat going out in the early morning to turn off a excellent bite, and the boat didn't have to be that close either. I figure those Panga guy's have been throwing nets at them for a long time, and any prop noise scatters them. Of course I noticed that when they came roaring in at La Pinta or Marua, but I didn't know that just a slowly crusing boat, and some distance away would do the same thing. I'd think a kayak would work better than someone who's trolling close in, if we're talking Corvina.
wahoo. The best white sea bass fishing would be the end of january through march. the bite should be hot rite now. and there are some big ones out there.
Kenny i agree that blacks should not be harvested. i would release every one i catch if possible. We never try to target them and if do happen to hook one we try to brake them off early. Have never been able to vent one sucsesfully.
JJ's cantina has been doing this for a long time. Someone should grab their rules and we can go with them. Leaving out grouper and /or any other fish is a good way for someone to call "foul" Categories is the best way. Remember, the Mexicans and Japs are the culprits of overfishing, not us sportsmen. There is a lot of talk anbout "let them grow" and everyone knows that the smaller fish taste better. Some of us know where the corvina live in deep water and weigh 25lbs and up so the categories still need to be in place. For those of you who don't know, the grouper are usually caught at the closer reefs. Let's all get together and have a ball, the money should all go to charity except for maybe a couple of bucks spent on ribbons. That's what I think it's all about.
I don't think I've accused anyone on our forum of "targeting" big Black's and I'm sorry if anyone thought that, but there are way's of rigging and choice's of bait that will increase the odds of getting one. If there ever was a big, not a care in the world fish, It would be a big Black Sea Bass. I think the spearfisheman who used to hunt them off the California coast when I lived there, could have petted them before spearing em.
Ric and I were very surprised when that little 45lb Black got back down after we goosed him with the gaff that day. He wasn't supposed to be able to do that, and he wasn't vented.
Dan, what kind (species) of deep water 25lb+ Corvina are you referring to?
I consider spear fishing for Blacks as one would hunt an elephant.
When I was a kid on the beach in Cali, before we moved to Phoenix, I remember seeing the tail end of big Blacks sticking out of 50 gallon trash cans. Relitivly shallow water, kelp beds, and a docile fish spelled a terrible waste
How about those big Golden Spotted we were catching that day? We put more than a few in the boat like that. I think Stuart ran into some exceptional big ones himself at about that same time. Rememer Stuart, we were talking about a cross breed and stuff?
The WSB were circle the reef that day, and we had some in the boat already. I was lucky enough to have gotten that one with a lighter rig than what you see in the pole holder. We didn't know what he was, no head shake at all, just digging for the bottom like a Grouper. I had the drag tightened way down, to tight actually, so I had to keep standing him off untill I could finally get a turn or two on him. I don't think he ever gave me any head shakes at all. We didn't know what he was for sure until we saw color. Ric's the best! Hands down. The big Halibuts was a day after Thanksgiving trip, and as you can see, it was one more drop until the sun went down out at the deep reefs.
That's a couple of beautiful red Snapper that Stuart has there. Man, those are some nice fish.
Quoted from Wahoo
"Has someone caught a 20 lbs corvina in RP and surroundings?
The biggest shortfin I have ever caught was just over 8 lbs, however I have picked up over a dozen orangemouth corvina from the shore that were from 12-15 lbs and one that was just over 20 lbs. These were all from the rocky shoreline between pelican point and sandy beach I know the orangemouth corvina can reach over 40 lbs.
I sure like all this planning for a tournament. I suggest having as many as half a dozen dates throughout the year, that would give the maximum number of people a chance to participate. It would also bring all seasons into play so the prime time for the maximum number of species would be fishable as well. I know it may not be popular with some but I agree that reefs beyond 30 miles from port should not be part of the tournament. That way, a captain with an 18-20 ft boat would have the same chance as someone with a 30 ft boat. It would also eliminate the problem of catching blacks from deep water that probable would not survive the release. Believe me, there are plenty of opportunities for excellent fishing for very large fish 10-25 miles from port. Grouper (gulf and leopard) big pintos, california white sea bass, flounder, red snapper, goldspotted bass, corvina, and sharks are all available in large sizes and numbers this close in. My boat is plenty capable of trips to the reefs 40-60 miles out but I find myself making that run less and less every year and I do not miss it at all. As far as the tournament is concerned, when you are that far out, you really can not consider yourself fishing Rocky Point waters anymore. The fuel costs and safety issues make including reefs that far out an issue as well. I also like the idea of a surf fishing/kayak fishing catagory as well. Just my .02 cents worth. My fishing schedule looks like it may be a little lighter this year than usual as my wife Terri and I are working on taking our business to the next level but I will be following this tournament and trying to adjust my schedule so I can participate if possible.
Assuming you guys pull this off with a big catch. What happens to the fish you catch? Maybe you could plan ahead and arrange for one of the charities to take some to feed the local folk? If they know it's coming they might be able to use it.
Assuming you guys pull this off with a big catch. What happens to the fish you catch? Maybe you could plan ahead and arrange for one of the charities to take some to feed the local folk? If they know it's coming they might be able to use it.
Excellent idea Roberto, and I'm sure everyone would agree. I would think that after setting some aside for the fish fry, and a prudent amount to take home, that everyone would be more than glad to do that.
I believe they are striped curvina Kenny or maybe orange mouthed . If anyone wants to see really big curvina, just look outside Balboas at night. There are some of phenomonal size. The only one I've seen caught weighed in at 12 lbs and was not one of the big ones. I don't know of the exact size or species but 40+ miles out in October we catch a lot of big ones. My best is 15 lbs, but one of the guys at safe marina says this is only"average". there are ways to target big blacks,yes, but chances are they'll bite on anything. I think I had one on this weekend but thankfully the line let go after I had it up 50 feet. I did catch one of twenty five lbs earlier in the season and he was quite tasty. Can't say the same for the big ones.
I kind of like Ric's ideas. He has some of the best knowledge of Rocky Point fishing and I agree with the safety issues. We had a rough trip out and back to the 51 this weekend and I'm sure we could have done just as well inshore.
Good to see you back around Ric We miss your reports.
It appears if the tourney idea is moving in the direction of a (30 mile ?) limit of Safe Harbor for offshore boats (Class A). 12 - 15 miles (safety reasons) miles for inshore boats (Class B), kayaks, inflatables and (?) (Class C) 3 miles within shoreline, and shore fishermen.
Only game fish and separate classes for specie.
Weigh-in for X amount of fish per specie? Well, what if we make it so that each angler will be allowed only one entry per specie? That way, if yours truly only catches only one fish, I may still come forward knowing I may win with just one fish... But if we accepted x amount of fish per specie, then I'll probably not show up with just one fish... But then again that could be a good thing! Make sense?
The reason why I was suggesting the Captain split the pot with the winning angler (for that class of fishing style and specie) is because the Captain put the anglers on fish. Without a knowledgeable and skilled Captain there's not much chance of fish on the deck.
My apologies for forgetting about the bladder issue... Big "Duh" on my part.
I like the idea of two full fishing days, meeting somewhere in the evening for weigh in, lie swapping and heading home on the third day. Can I suggest folks departing on Monday to avoid traffic? Will that work for everyone? Meet Friday PM for final check in, fish Sat., meet for weigh in, dinner/lies; fish Sunday, meet again for weigh in, dinner and Top Fisherman awards. Wrap things up by 8 PM, liquid refreshments immediately following; location at Kenny's place (under decks of unoccupied trailers).
Hey Don! Do you remember bwitry's post, the one where he said he was catching Corvina with beef stew? Do you remember that when questioned about it, he never gave his technique or if it was canned or not? Do you think he just ran out of bait and fished with his lunch, or planned it? Do you think he sounds screwy enough to fit in, unless he really is a Texan?
Yeaup', I remember the post. And quickly dismissed it. Sure sounded like someone has a great imagination. Kenny, when's the last time you took stew aboard a boat? Hot dogs ok, but stew???
Nah. Screwy enough to fit in, definitely. If he's Texan, well they make good chum.
Hey there! The beef stew was a recommendation from a Rocky Point fishing book I came across. It probably would have made a good lunch now that I think about it. The technique was basically a Salmon fishing technique learned within in Oregon: 4 foot line off a spreader with a 3-5 oz weight hanging off of it - change the depth as information is presented on the sounder. I have having better luck with Kastmasters lately. Definitely not a Texan!
Wally wrote this in his book "supergrouper" in reference to trigger fish. It's also a good bait in the surf as it stays on good. Hell, my dog eats fish, why wouldn't a fish eat cow.
In the Navy, I often used to sit on a sponson or the fantail of the USS America when were in port and fish. I'd go down to the galley and the Filipino cooks would dice up a whole steak or two (usually destined for the Officers Mess, not us lowly enlisteds) and make me promise that if I caught any fish I'd bring them back down to the galley for them to cook up. Used to catch all sorts of stuff, including weakfish - aka "sea trout" on the East coast. Same basic corvina we catch in Rocky Point. Fish do indeed eat cow!
I was really teasing him for his "I am ready to dominate" remark. Heck yes raw meat works great for a lot of fish, both salt and fresh, but Nalley's beef stew.:razz:
First Annual “Rocky Point Talk“ Fishing Tournament Rules
Tournament Dates: June 5th and June 6th. Tournament Hours: Saturday, June 5th, Start daylight: weigh in at Safe Marina, from 1800 to 2000 hr. Sunday, June 6th, Start daylight: weigh in at Safe Marina, from 1500 to 1700 hr. Notes: Since many times the most productive time for shore anglers will be night fishing, Shore Anglers will be have the option of weighing in at Safe Marina during the same times as boat anglers. Dressed fish (please leave head and tail attached) will be allowed (How much fellas?) percentage increase to arrive at a total body weight. Note: “Fellas”, since its June, should we require all fish be dressed prior to weigh in? Angler type: Class A: Offshore Angler (restricted to fishing 35 mile radius from Safe Marina). Class B: Inshore Angler (restricted to fishing 15 mile radius from Safe Marina). Class C: Bay Angler (Inflatable/kayak, boat limited to 15 hp, 3 miles from shore). Class D: Shore Angler.
Species allowed: Game fish to include: grouper/separate by genus, pargo, pinto, corvina, corbina, red snapper, sierra, trigger, sand bass, gold spots, white sea bass, pompano, flounder and…(Fellas?) Weigh in Rules: Each angler will be allowed to weigh in only One fish of each specie. (trying to stop a body count), and likewise enable the less experienced to join in the fun. If an angler only catches one fish, you could still be in the tournament
Registration: Via the Forum. Payment (how much?) to be collected Saturday evening at _______ , where everyone will meet following weigh in for stories, fish fry and? Well, what are your thoughts, additions, deletions, changes?
BTW, I was thinking of these stop times for the following reasons:
Saturday: 1) Fella’s would be off the water while still daylight (safety), 2) It will give folks a chance to meet forum members, swap stories while enjoying a fish fry (trailer park), and it would be early enough to have a fish fry, 3) this would allow everyone time to hit the sack for battle again at dawn on Sunday.
Sunday early again for story swapping, and for those who work on Monday, they’ll be able to weigh in, hang around while other check in, and depart for and arrive in Phoenix w/o it being too late. Finally for those who wash down and store their boat in PP time for that while daylight.
Three months and several weeks before the Tournament. We need help though! Stu, Ric, Pike, Dan, Mark, Happy, Joe, Art, Kelney, Robert, and others; what are your thoughts and recommendations, changes for the rules?
Some folks are working getting sponsorships along with embroidered hats. But, we need to know if anyone is interested in partaking of this tournament.
Shore anglers, any interest?
Bay anglers?
Inshore fishermen, any interest?
Big fellas, off shore anglers, interested?
Doug and I are always happy to come down and take peoples donations and we already have our sponsor(s) lined up.
One thing you might want to consider changing is the diiference between offshore and inshore, I would set the distance at 8 or 10 miles because there are some great reefs 12 or 13 miles offshore. Also I do not understand if you fish only against people in your category or are you fishing against all categories?
Is the dress for the fish formal, informal, or is it business casual? I just need to know what outfits to bring.
~~~ "Three months and several weeks before tournament" ~~~ Don, Don, Paaaaaaalease,
~~~ "Embroidered hats" ~~~ OMG, Don,
~~~ Don you left out one big detail, ~~~
~~~ You have to tell people where they are going to board the 60 foot Viking, & Hatteras Sportfishers, for this ~~~ "Tournament"
~~~ I mean with all of this hi tec rules & regs. & "Pipeline Ideas" ~~~ that you & your running mate Kenny up in Prescott came up with, ~~~ The pack will not accept anything less !!!
~~~ Don OMG, ~~~ people are going to think that I am in on this fiasco, !!!
~~~ "Three months and several weeks before tournament" ~~~ Don, Don, Paaaaaaalease,
~~~ "Embroidered hats" ~~~ OMG, Don,
~~~ Don you left out one big detail, ~~~
~~~ You have to tell people where they are going to board the 60 foot Viking, & Hatteras Sportfishers, for this ~~~ "Tournament"
~~~ I mean with all of this hi tec rules & regs. & "Pipeline Ideas" ~~~ that you & your running mate Kenny up in Prescott came up with, ~~~ The pack will not accept anything less !!!
~~~ Don OMG, ~~~ people are going to think that I am in on this fiasco, !!!
~~~ OK, ~~~ I am now getting some S@#$ about this post, ~~~ it appears that I offended some people, & without naming anyone, ~~~ which was ~~~ NOT the intent, ~~~ & from someone TOTALLY unexpected, ~~~ I am in total & complete shock that anyone would go into ORBIT over this, ~~~ ??? ~~~ I have to scratch my head on this one,
~~~ I have a 9:30 appoint. in the morning with my tailor, he will be fitting me for a tuxedo, ~~~ he promised to have it in time for the big day, ~~~ & being that I will be offshore, the jacket will be silver, with black trousers so as to compliment my black tie, ~~~
Yupper, there are some great reefs 12/13 and 14 miles out. That's why I chose the 15 mile limit. It would give the fellas in smaller craft (I fished those in a 16 mirrocraft, CALM seas) a descent chance of bringing in nice fish. But whatever the consensus thinks.
Classes will only compete against others in the same class.
Screw up on my part about not specifying type of dress for fish. So, any dress works... not to short though; or we'll have someone selling it beads... Fish with beads.... No...
Geeez Happy, bailing out on us??? your idea even...
Well, we've heard fish stories from you; hmmm never pics... No worries if you won't be able to participate.
Three months and several weeks before the Tournament. We need help though! Stu, Ric, Pike, Dan, Mark, Happy, Joe, Art, Kelney, Robert, and others; what are your thoughts and recommendations, changes for the rules?
Some folks are working getting sponsorships along with embroidered hats. But, we need to know if anyone is interested in partaking of this tournament.
Shore anglers, any interest?
Bay anglers?
Inshore fishermen, any interest?
Big fellas, off shore anglers, interested?
Thanks,
Don
I'm interested, but I can't commit to the dates at this point- Too much going on with work. I'll post as soon as I know whether I am a positive or a negative for that weekend.
"will be allowed (How much fellas?) percentage increase to arrive at a total body weight."
-In my experience, a typical fish loses about 15% of it's weight when you gut it.
"Species allowed: Game fish to include: grouper/separate by genus, pargo, pinto, corvina, corbina,
red snapper, sierra, trigger, sand bass, gold spots, white sea bass, pompano, flounder and…(Fellas?)"
- Probably need Yellowtail and Dorado categories, and maybe separate Shortfin from Orangemouth Corvina. also should consider separating inshore flounder from the big offshore Halibut.
With so many species available down there, I think we need to maybe finalize a list of the species that will be included- otherwise the prize money may end up being $1 per species, and you never know - some joker could show up with a big ugly cusk eel and expect a prize:grin:
"Registration: Via the Forum. Payment (how much?) "
- Hmmm.... I don't know- $30 or $40 per guy? just throwing it out there to get the discussion going.... After all, it sounds to me like any amount we put in will all just be going to BWITRY when he gets out there and starts slinging his beef stew :-D
-Robert
Come on, tell us what brand to use. Don and I will be down on the 5th for 4 day's or so, and all I've tried is Nalley's, and I can't get it to stay on the hook.
Moore, you're correct about limiting prize/specie.
What are thoughts on these species for offshore and inshore boats?
Lump all grouper species together; only one fish weigh in per angler.
Pinto's separate class.
Gold spots and WSB
Near shore:
All grouper species lumped together, only one fish weigh in per angler,
Pintos separate class,
Corvina, Triggers and flounders.
Shore anglers:
Same as near shore.
Of course we can always limit this to one/two species per class.
Idea is to give as many anglers opportunity to enter, with a chance of winning their class. But, there has got to be a minimal numbers of anglers per class.
This tourney is about having fun, meeting folks, sharing laughs and raising $ for a charity.
I'm inclined to agree with Happy at this point. Ya know, if you were hosting a big game tournament with millions in pesos as prize money, I could see setting some rules and regs. But you guys are all over the place with this thing. KISS! Otherwise, nobody can keep track of the who, what, when, where's of it all.
I think the whole thing should be re-engineered into who can catch the most fish on the most unusual bait...
If BWITRY is fishing with beef stew, and Stuart is chumming with cat food, then I'm gonna top all of you by using Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup.... :ugeek:
Whew! Stuart, I thought it was just me who was confused ..LOL We've got months to whittle it down, and Don's having fun with it. Remember what he said
"Idea is to give as many anglers opportunity to enter, with a chance of winning their class."
and
This tourney is about having fun, meeting folks, sharing laughs and raising $ for a charity.
Personally, and just as a example... I think if someone catches a 3 foot Guitar fish from shore, Kayak etc, it should be allowed in as the BIGFISH! from that group.. As you know Stuart, there are some big Guitar fish out there in June, and a blast to catch on light gear... All Corvina should be lumped together. If a guy is lucky enough to catch one of the seldom caught Orangemouth's, there's a good chance he'll have the BIGFISH! in the Corvina category, no matter where's he's fishing from, shore or Kayak etc. My biggest Corvina have been taken from Shore.
Just three category's of fish from shore, Kayak etc.(1)BIGFISH! of any kind,(2) biggest Corvina, and the(3rd) is biggest Bass in all category's, Sand, Rock, etc.
When I'm offshore a Corvina is bait, and anyone fishing offshore is not allowed to enter a Corvina in the biggest Corvina category, just the shore, Kayak, raft, etc entries.
I want a lot of shore type fisherman to be able to participate, and have a opportunity to catch the BIGFISH!, no matter what kind it is.
One of the best time's of the year in Rocky point, and on the sea of Cortez, the first weekend of June, the 5th and 6th. So you had better plan on being down that weekend Tyler.
I'm working on getting some us some sponsors (Hi Rosie) like maybe http://proalliance.com.mx or the (hi Jim) http://www.cameltoecantina.net/ We're also looking at some prizes that might include a free stay at a Hotel in town.
Hey Stu,
you've got some great ideas.
I was going to be keeping track of the weigh ins, and registration. That's why we chose a set time frame for weigh-in Saturday evening, Sunday AM and the final weigh in on Sunday afternoon. Obviously staying around for the beginning to end of weigh ins will have an impact on my water time, but what the heck this is for fun anyway. And besides if one of you happen to weigh-in a larger fish... well I can always use the excuse that I was hanging around Safe Marina instead of catching fish. Kenny's idea looks great for the shore and near shore folks (kayak, shark donuts, inflatables). For inshore (12 mile radius) and offshore (wherever you want to go) the A) largest grouper or B) white bass or C) largest fish; whatever you guys think.
Likewise do we enter the inshore with offshore if only one or two inshore enter? Does anyone plan on fishing inshore (12 mile radius)? We might have just two categories, offshore and near shore/shore fishing. Or, for that matter, shore and offshore... Whatever we can do to get the most interest and fun. Do we have shore for adult and under 18?
Two weeks ago, when Kenny and I were down, there was a poster posted at JJ's for the current tournament. They were offering a prize for the largest "Trigger" caught. So, the (CBSC) tournament also had a different twist.
Lets hear from shore fishermen, and inshore guys, if any. Likewise what do the rest of you offshore guys think? Stu, just go with largest fish for offshore guys, right?
Maybe we can get Tyler down there as well as another weigh-in official.
I think if I read you right, I agree, 10-12 miles out is a stretch for inshore in my opinion. So what do you think Bill?... We're looking for positive input, ideas... Don just posted some options for what we could do, and eliminating that area from the inshore was one of them. This deal is going to belong to all of us, and it's probably for the most part going to be what we decide as group.
My thought is to get this one in as simply as possible, with as much equality and participation that we can, and if we have another, say in early October, we can tweak it as needed then.
Roberto brought it up, so we might ask him, and Mark to distribute donated fish. We could also ask participants and their friends to bring down other donations as well. We haven't discussed it in detail yet, but a cash donation is something we'd like to do, and is very much a possibility too.
Last year on July 4th we picked up two grouper in excess of 70 lbs just 9 miles out. I would be happy to take one or two extra guys with me but my work schedule only allows me to fish saturday.
I don't much care about prize money, I think it should all go to charity.
I used to fish 12 to 14 miles out in my 16 foot mirrocraft (and like Bill said, on a "Good" day). And as you fellas know there are some descent reefs 10 to 12 miles out, and I didn't want to eliminate those reefs for the inshore guys.
Wow, since Dan did well only 9 miles out, maybe we should rethink the 12 mile limit. And since Dan can only make it on Saturday, should we just have the tourney on Saturday, or separate for Saturday and Sunday. Remember each person will only be allowed to enter 1 fish towards placing.
Dans' got an excellent offer to take others (1 or 2) out with him. HERE ya' go guys, a great opportunity to try offshore fishing with one of the best!!!
Heck, I'd go with him if I could, but I'll need to be back early and wouldn't want to make anyone cut their fishing time short.
When we were planning this several months ago, we hoped to get at much participation as possible, hence we have shore, near shore, inshore and offshore classes. Since you'll (Bill) be able to go out further than kayaks, shark donuts and inflatables we increased the range for your style of boats. But whatever you fellas feel comfortable with. Since your the first inshore to post an idea, lets go with the limit you think is reasonable and see if we get more interest.
Maybe we should scrap the inshore/offshore class? Thoughts?
Kenny had a great idea, a family entry fee. Since we want to get folks involved, especially kids and spouses, we should make this entry fee CHEAPER than the single entry fee. But, they've gotta' register.
Speaking of registering; maybe we can get Tyler to create a separate posting area for participants.
:stir:Remember, if the wind gets to blowing we'll all be shore fishing. Let's all just get together for the good time of it whether it blows or not. You guys figure out rules and regs and the rest of us will figure out how to break 'em.
Initially the tourney idea was to have fun and raise some bucks for charity. So, skip the tourney rules, (so fellas' don't have to figure out ways to break them ;-), and get together to swap lies, maybe have a fish fry...
Unfortunately I may not be able to get down there that weekend, but I'm sure gonna' try.
Tyler, what do you suggest as to how we can create/keep a list of who may be able to attend?
~~~ Now Don say,
~~~ "Hey fellas" ~~~ "Unfortunately I may not be able to get down there that weekend, but I'm
sure gonna try" ~~~
~~~ So "fellas" ...................
~~~ Come on now Don, ~~~ You been going up everybodys ass with this ~~~ "Tournament"~~~
thing, for months now, ~~~ & now you say you won't be there, ????????????????
~~~ Just where you going to be that weekend, ??? ~~~
~~~ Oh I bet I know, ~~~ you be down @ ~~~ "FAIRY BEACH" ~~~ with your sidekick Kenny, ~~~
~~~ You know the beach where all the ~~~ FAIRYS, ~~~ er, fishermen prance around in speedos,
~~~ Where Jerry, ~~~ the ringmaster ~~~ has to keep all you ~~~ FAIRYS ~~~ er, fishermen,
~~~ In line with a whack on your little fannys ~~~ with the ~~~ whip,~~~ if you get out of line, ~~~
~~~ BTW ~~~ Whats this I hear that all of you ~~~ FAIRYS ~~~ er, fishermen, ~~~ like pie ???
Good try HAPPY, but you just don't seem to have it anymore.... It's kind of sad to see that you've lost it, maybe you were on the bench for to long? Or it could be you are just getting to old for the game.
~~~ OH NO !!! ~~~ not you too, ~~~ Stuart !!!!!! ~~~ Now just WHERE did you get that pic, ~~~ :bunny:~~~ now don't tell me you ~~~ "like pie too" ~~~ :lol: ~~~
~~~ Those must be the two :gay:'S ~~~ That Kenny said ~~~ made him ~~~ "JUMP LIKE A FROG"
~~~ The last time he was @ "FAIRY BEACH" ~~~
~~~ It seems that ~~~ "Pretty Kenny" ~~~ bent over to get some bait, ~~~
~~~ And ~~~ WHAMO ~~~ he got some ~~~ BAIT alright, ~~~
~~~ Hell he didn't even stand up, ~~~ just kept looking in his tackle box, ~~~ :lol: ~~~
~~~ One day @ the races there was a guy eating a hotdog ~~~ & Kenny started to get nervous ~~~
The tourney was called off because another commitment which arose and lack of interest. However, I will be down several weeks later, so... if there is enough interest I'd be happy take charge and to bring 'er back.
"Happy, get your fingers warmed up", cuz maybe we'll go 'round again! Lookin' forward to your comments as always! Hah!
Hey fellas, worked thru lunch yesterday, went to PT, went to second job, got home after 8 last night. I'm editing (changing tourney rules/regs as I see posts). Kenny, glad you brought the idea forward! Hope to wrap this up and post so you fellas can make recommendations.
Reason why Kenny and I chose the March date is because that was the best time for some of us to get together. We avoided Spring break (all 3 Universities have break on week of 3-15), so the first weekend looked best for tides.
I've never had a problem catching groupers (smaller varieties please) and an occasional red snapper in March... but then again, I haven't fished the deeper reefs at that time. That said, I'll probably be fish-less that weekend. I do not target triggers or sand bass, they are just "by catch", and released unless used for bait.:wink:
``` :lol: :lol: :lol: ```
``` The question of the day is ....
``` What do you get when two ``` MONKEYS ``` put their heads together ? ? ?
``` A fishing "tournament" ``` "PIPE DREAM" ``` thats what ```:lol: :lol: :lol:
