Can I get in and out without a Passport??

playaperro said:

Courtship of Eddies Father.

RIP Bill Bixby

tequilatodd said:

RIP Bill Bixby

Loved that show and Family Affair, also.

WELP, I lost my Passport and I am headed down to Rocky point first then tomorrow morning!!! Wish me luck getting back ( I am crossing my fingers they keep me for a while)

No worries, you will be in their database.

Legaldeb said:

Amen! I hate to be mean, but the passport "thing" has been going on for years! If y desire to leave Rocky Point without being hassled, get a passport! Now that I've bitched and moaned, I'm wondering what the age children are required to have passports? One more thing, I'm always thinking about taking my animals to rocky point but never do because I have read the requirements and it sounds like a hassle; is it really? My sister who owns a home in Las Conchas always brings her pets and no shot records etc. and swears it's no problem- she never gets additional insurance either and I think she's nuts but maybe it's me (I hate when that happens, lol) thanks in advance!

Older than 16 requires passport....
We've been using our kids expired passport cards for a year now, through San Luis and Lukeville. Not a single issue, maybe because kids are under 14.
Our passport cards are still valid.
But also know several families that refuse to spend money on passports, and are still allowed to cross. I guess it's just a scare tactic. Never heard of anyone being denied entry.
A BP officer once told me, "a US citizen, will always be a US citizen."
And another told me expired passports are still good for crossing the border. Maybe that's why our kids passports are "good enough".

Last 3 trips down with expired passports for our 17 and 18 year old teenagers, BP agents never said a word. Imagine that.

I believe that the U.S. guards definitely keep a database of those who cross without a valid passport. As the driver of the vehicle and passport holder I was fairly harshly admonished for allowing someone in my car who did not carry a passport last weekend. The bottom line is: get your passports or you risk further scrutiny and hassle.

my experience is that not matter what if you are a USA citizen your right is to be allowed to return to your country thru any border crossing, they might hold you at the border until your information reaches them and then release you however if this is your fifth or tenth time doing it they will hassle you and possibly hold you for a couple of hours so eventually you get tired and get your passport, driving the shuttle these happened a couple of times, one of them on a spring break trip so you can imagine all the kids crying to get home fast!!!
Then again a few times had passengers with lost or stolen passport in Mexico and at the border they did not get any hassle and went thru in a flash, usually using a credit card or a pic id from USA, funny how much information is in the strip on the back of your credit card!!!!
If I were you I would not put off my trip to Mexico with or with out passport!!!

InkaRoads said:

my experience is that not matter what if you are a USA citizen your right is to be allowed to return to your country thru any border crossing, they might hold you at the border until your information reaches them and then release you however if this is your fifth or tenth time doing it they will hassle you and possibly hold you for a couple of hours so eventually you get tired and get your passport, driving the shuttle these happened a couple of times, one of them on a spring break trip so you can imagine all the kids crying to get home fast!!!
Then again a few times had passengers with lost or stolen passport in Mexico and at the border they did not get any hassle and went thru in a flash, usually using a credit card or a pic id from USA, funny how much information is in the strip on the back of your credit card!!!!
If I were you I would not put off my trip to Mexico with or with out passport!!!

Passport or no passport, if you are a US citizen you can't be denied entry to your country. Nothing more, nothing less.

brokenwave said:

My wife and 2 kid's crossed back into the US yesterday with expired passports for my kids.
Handed the agents 1 valid passport for my wife and expired passports for my kid's.
They never said a word. Imagine that! LOL

An expired passport doesn't mean that you are no longer a US citizen!

flicks said:

As far as the pets go. I always bring their shot records and hide the food.

We have been taking our 91 pound German Sheppard mix with us back and forth. They are mostly interested in rabies shot records, so we take extra copies with us. Sometimes they want a copy, and take a photo, sometimes they only ask to see the papers. Good to be prepared for either and avoid any hassle.

Smilin' Jack said:

An expired passport doesn't mean that you are no longer a US citizen!

I just figured they would have said something about the expired passports.
The whole port of entry deal is just a joke, they built an expensive shade cover going from US to Mexico,
I believe some shade was necessary for those agents protecting Mexico from all the vacationing terrorists I see crossing in their RV's. ;) LOL
I haven't seen any agents there asking questions in almost a year. I bet their just hanging out in Ajo at their $600k houses that Homeland Security
built for them.
I don't fault the people manning the border just the decision making process.

brokenwave said:

I bet their just hanging out in Ajo at their $600k houses that Homeland Security
built for them.

I haven't spent a lot if time in Ajo. Where are the $600k homes?

tequilatodd said:

I haven't spent a lot if time in Ajo. Where are the $600k homes?

Don't know exactly where in Ajo, but Homeland Security has 21 homes built for Avg cost of $600k each and bought another 20+
mobile homes for Avg cost of $125k each, because they were told there wasn't adequate housing for the agents.
These places were fitted with state of the art stuff and now are too expensive for the many of the border agents to rent.

Here is an excerpt from the final Gov't report:

While it was constructing the 21 family style houses, CBP funded a second housing project in Ajo by purchasing 20 mobile homes for $2.4 million. CBP paid the General Services Administration to manage the project, but did not adequately justify using its services. CBP also increased project funding seven times without specifying the reason for the increases and how the funds would be spent. These issues occurred because CBP ignored recommendations from a study conducted to guide the project. In addition, CBP did not have procedures to prevent purchasing more land than was necessary, as well as nonessential items and amenities. CBP also bypassed key acquisition controls and procedures. As a result, CBP spent about $680,000 per house and about $118,000 per mobile home for employee housing in Ajo, which was significantly more than the Ajo average home price of $86,500. We identified about $4.6 million CBP spent on the project that could have been put to better use. According to CBP, once funding becomes available, it plans to build more houses in Lukeville, close to Ajo.

Here is a link to a AZ Central story about it.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2014/09/11/report-cbp-wasted-millions-ajo-housing-agents/15471201/

Another open check book story to find out where our taxes are going to waste. :eek:

Mexico is moving up in the world. They installed computors where you get your FMT's. There is a regulation that you have to get a tourest visa.
I have entered both at Lukeville and San lois, and was asked for a visa, twice, and once at Alcadone. We have Perm Res vistas, so was ok.They may start inforceing the visa on the Mex side. Or they may spot stop people coming south. It would be a pain if you get to the border and they hit you for a visa, which you have to have a US or Canada passport, to get one, and they will not let you in. But then take this with a grain of salt, it's Mexico!

brokenwave said:

I just figured they would have said something about the expired passports.
The whole port of entry deal is just a joke, they built an expensive shade cover going from US to Mexico,
I believe some shade was necessary for those agents protecting Mexico from all the vacationing terrorists I see crossing in their RV's. ;) LOL
I haven't seen any agents there asking questions in almost a year. I bet their just hanging out in Ajo at their $600k houses that Homeland Security
built for them.
I don't fault the people manning the border just the decision making process.

I have no problem with CBP agents at the border. They can ask as many questions as they require to assure that you are who you say you are, and are authorized entry into the US. However, I have a problem with some agents at the highway BP checkpoints. These are immigration/citizenship checkpoints, and nothing more. As a US citizen, you don't have to answer ANY of their questions. South of Why, they commonly ask: "Where are you coming from?", or "Where are you going?". Neither is any of their business, and I refuse to answer. As a US citizen you are free to travel anywhere in your country without answering to the Border Patrol. Meanwhile, our country is over run by illegal aliens while BP agents are harassing law-abiding US citizens. That's not what we are paying these guys to do.

brokenwave said:

Don't know exactly where in Ajo, but Homeland Security has 21 homes built for Avg cost of $600k each and bought another 20+
mobile homes for Avg cost of $125k each, because they were told there wasn't adequate housing for the agents.
These place. . . . . . .Another open check book story to find out where our taxes are going to waste. :eek:

They had to bury all those "border security / deportation" funds somewhere.

The Man said:

Mexico is moving up in the world. They installed computors where you get your FMT's. There is a regulation that you have to get a tourest visa.
I have entered both at Lukeville and San lois, and was asked for a visa, twice, and once at Alcadone. We have Perm Res vistas, so was ok.They may start inforceing the visa on the Mex side. Or they may spot stop people coming south. It would be a pain if you get to the border and they hit you for a visa, which you have to have a US or Canada passport, to get one, and they will not let you in. But then take this with a grain of salt, it's Mexico!

Visa requirements have to do with time and location in Mexico. As of now the border region for us stretches all the way down to Empalme on the west side of Federal Highway 15.

http://mexico.usembassy.gov/eng/eacs_sheet.html

Came through on Tuesday around 1pm, only one lane open (the far right one), after about 20 minutes another lane opened. Agent had one car in front of ours, we both had AZ DL, he took them, asked why we didn't have our passports, etc. We went through the motions, apologized, said it was a last-minute trip. What was different than the usual experience was that he said, "I can't wait until the end of the month (May), because then I get to send people into that building there (the main office to the right) and tell them it's going to cost $50 each to do the administrative paperwork!" I can't find anything online about this, especially recent, and nothing on the cbp.gov site, but it seems like this was rumored/floated years ago.

Any truth to what he said?

GringoZona said:

Came through on Tuesday around 1pm, only one lane open (the far right one), after about 20 minutes another lane opened. Agent had one car in front of ours, we both had AZ DL, he took them, asked why we didn't have our passports, etc. We went through the motions, apologized, said it was a last-minute trip. What was different than the usual experience was that he said, "I can't wait until the end of the month (May), because then I get to send people into that building there (the main office to the right) and tell them it's going to cost $50 each to do the administrative paperwork!" I can't find anything online about this, especially recent, and nothing on the cbp.gov site, but it seems like this was rumored/floated years ago.

Any truth to what he said?

Why don't you get some passport cards??

I agree, at least get pp card. I would not doubt if they did send people in as it slows lines down when people dont have pp. A friend was told that spring break was brutal for this as many college kids did not have pp and it caused long lines at border which in return makes tourists negative on rp due to these long waits. There already is enough tourists tired of the long line into mexico on busy weekends.

GringoZona said:

Came through on Tuesday around 1pm, only one lane open (the far right one), after about 20 minutes another lane opened. Agent had one car in front of ours, we both had AZ DL, he took them, asked why we didn't have our passports, etc. We went through the motions, apologized, said it was a last-minute trip. What was different than the usual experience was that he said, "I can't wait until the end of the month (May), because then I get to send people into that building there (the main office to the right) and tell them it's going to cost $50 each to do the administrative paperwork!" I can't find anything online about this, especially recent, and nothing on the cbp.gov site, but it seems like this was rumored/floated years ago.

Any truth to what he said?

The border agents are still letting people through with only a DL and a birth certificate.
My son and girlfriend came back into the USA 3 weeks ago, the girlfriend only had a DL and birth cert.
The agent reminded her that she needs a passport/card to comply with the HSA guidelines.
It added 2 minutes to the process. I'm sure the speech varies with the disposition of the border agent. No added fee either.

Bottom line is not having a passport/card won't prevent you from crossing back currently, but will speed up the process of entering back into the USA.

Russ posted this a couple of years ago:
The need for a passport to reenter the USA by land is embodied in a legal "initiative" It is the WHTI initiative. Because it is a land crossing it is different from an air or sea entrance to the country. The WHTI initiative does not replace the US constitution which provides it's citizens the right to re-enter the the country of their birth without this document.

14th amendment: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdictionthereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

As long as you can prove you were born in the USA you have the right to reenter the country without a passport. Drivers license - ssn or any other valid proofs of "belonging", as has been said before, they pretty much know who you are before anyone even talks to you.

Regarding ID in the southbound lane. They cannot ask to see your passport. You may use it out of convenience but it is not necessary. A drivers license suffices, I use mine and it is a Mexican DL.

Thanks wildtoucan, I saw a similar thing from a San Diego publication from a year or more ago. Looks like wishful thinking on that agent's part, as it's still only in the "Proposed Rule" stage.
http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoDetails?rrid=126212

http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201510&RIN=1651-AB06
"Government Levels Affected: None"

This article and a couple of others say it could be in effect by end of may. Akso, with the usa exit/entry tracking system inititive coming to fruition,it wont be long before passports are required going south

http://societystays.com/americans-travelling-without-a-passport-could-face-potential-fines/

What is the problem here? Just get your passport! SMH!

wildtoucan said:

This article and a couple of others say it could be in effect by end of may. Akso, with the usa exit/entry tracking system inititive coming to fruition,it wont be long before passports are required going south

http://societystays.com/americans-travelling-without-a-passport-could-face-potential-fines/

"The proposal, which could be approved as early as May..." Key words are "could be." This was all I was asking about, the actual letter of the law. Or, the "rules," as many keep saying.

Thanks!

I left home in a rush last week and forgot my wallet, with pp card in it, as I was handing to him the card they give you along with your passport in case you loose it and he said "no good, just give me your name and date of birth" in less than 3 seconds he had ALL my history in front of him, he even asked me a question that nobody else would know but me, back from the days when I first got my "Alien Registration Card" as I came from Mars!!!

InkaRoads said:

I left home in a rush last week and forgot my wallet, with pp card in it, as I was handing to him the card they give you along with your passport in case you loose it and he said "no good, just give me your name and date of birth" in less than 3 seconds he had ALL my history in front of him, he even asked me a question that nobody else would know but me, back from the days when I first got my "Alien Registration Card" as I came from Mars!!!

INKA!!!!

IMHO this is BASURA. I have people ask me all the time if they can go to RP without a Passport and I always respond, "YES". I then refer to our FORUM for subject information and LA VERDAD. I disagree with previous statements. I think the Passport desire has hurt the travel to RP. People are worried that they cant go in fear of not having a passport. Incorrect. I have told many to go regardless because it is a FACT that you can return without passport. If it is a fact then there isnt a conversation. I DO always inform that ICE agents aren't going to be the most pleasant when you don't comply with the norms but again, it isnt illegal. You're going to get the, "please comply with standards" flyer and heavy tone like the agent is your mom that is really, "disappointed with you". Again, and with all due respect to ICE which has been INCREDIBLY CONSIDERATE and FRIENDLY in the past couple of years (Thank you!!) It isnt illegal therefore, if it isn't within your means to purchase a card or passport before your travels, GO! I do agree that if you plan to come multiple times a year at the very least get the electronic chip card for very cheap and added convenience of quick entry.

I suggest the passport card which was $45 (Back in the day) but I believe is now $50 or $60. When you pull up two back from the window the reader scans your electronic card and displays a number on the screen. This number identifies how many electronic passport cards are in the vehicle. IMO this speeds up the process because the ICE agent knows who is in the vehicel and how frequently you cross. Associated with a license plate it is easier for the ICE agent to profile or determine a certain probability. I hope I dont get second for that comment JAJAJAJA. I LOVE ICE!!! In my experience there is a certain amount of respect that I have been given using the electronic passport card because it makes their job easier at least to some extent, not that their job is easy.

As mentioned above, it does speed up the process and is favorable in ICE opinion however, again not illegal. Have fun. If you visit RP once a year dont bother IMHO but 4 X / YR... Yes, get the card.

This was from our subdivision facebook page as there was a discussion on whether a passport was needed. This is a couple of replues from the past 2 weeks. Of course there were many who have had no issues not having a pp but the fine is the cost of getting a pp card. I tell people now to get one as being hassled and fined coming back just once, will of course put a bad taste in ones mouth of their trip to rp.

We went two weeks ago and a couple of my friends had there i.d and birth certificate and they got held at the border and our side of the border charged them 50.00 each to come back home.

I was detained for 4 hours due to no passport, in a little trailer on the side of the damn road!! it is not fun! Don't risk it!

I just went a few weeks ago and they don't check on the way in, but on the way out I got warned. They said for anyone 16 and over will be charged $50 each time you go without a passport. This new law starts in the next 30-60 days. So for now, yes you can go with your ID and Birth certificate

There is a big difference between forgetting to bring a current, valid passport and just not having obtained a current passport. The customs agent can pull up your passport information from your driver's licence and usually has no problem in a rare instance of forgetting to bring it, whereas not having applied for a passport puts the traveler in a completely different risk category until cleared for entry.

For all those entering without a passport, It really makes the re-entry wait longer for everybody else in line. With a passport/card 20-30 seconds.
Without 2-3+ minutes depending on the attitudes in the car and the border agent. .
It all adds up to the wait on busy weekends.
Hopefully the proposed fines will encourage people to get a passport/card.

Do you still need a pass port to get back home or your ID?

AZRob said:

Do you still need a pass port to get back home or your ID?

Passport, Passport card, even a expired one all accepted at Lukeville and Nogales. Birth Cert and drivers license will also get you back into
the US at these 2 stations with a few minute delay to verify your ID. So nothing has changed in 5 years.

Thanks for the update.

Updated verification Jan 8,2022
My adult daughter wanted to go down to Rocky Point in March 2022 with us in our RV.
I tried making an appointment to get her a Passport Card.
The locations here in AZ are booked into March and then have to wait 4 to 7 weeks for it to arrive.
So, I called Lukesville Border crossing and spoke to a great guy who said...
" All she needs to get back into the USA is her original birth certificate and a drivers license."
Yes, she is a US Citizen and born here.
He repeated... ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE three times to insure I heard it and understood.
Great. Now she can join us in Puerto Penasco for two weeks.

I've brought us citizens back into the US with just a driver's license. Once, I forgot my purse and had no ID. They have ways of determining who you are!

Damn! Talk about beating a dead horse to death jesus lollllllllllllll. I thought by now this would be generally pretty well understood that as a US CITIZEN you can NOT be denied entry into the US. AZ drivers license, social security card, US birth certificate, passport, EXPIRED passport (my personal favorite).... telling them to fuck off. All acceptable!!!

And US CITIZEN has nothing to do with being born in the US either although that's an automatic qualification OBV. But this applies to all US CITIZENS. Including NATURALIZED

Mexico Joe not everyone has been here as long as you have so why all the flap and BS when all we are doing is helping new folks without having to read 10 years worth of messages about the subject.
Chill in Cholla Bay.