Am I understanding this correctly that the Las Conchas homeowners have actually contributed three million dollars towards the De Sal plant and have already lost 90% of it?
As a homeowner in Las Conchas I can also speak up. This individual is speaking many false statements. The money has not been lost. Las Conchas like many banks etc is tightening their purse strings. Many people don't like it. Dave Steward was making $30,000 a year to make sure the equipment was being maintained. The architect was sitting in the office for 40 hours a week making almost $20 /hour. The fat has had to be trimmed. Regarding the desal the individual who said the organization could have the property to build the plant will not give title to the land. To buy land ,no one wants to have additional assessments. The equipment is sitting in a warehouse. The board of directors is trying to figure out what to do wth it. No one wants to buy desal equipment. OBrien needs get some of his facts straight. There is more internal information but I won't bored you with the details other than to say , the money is not there and less than 75% of the homeowners pay the association dues. If everyone paid their dues this would not be a problem but they do not. Every thing can be as before but the dues for those that pay would have to be raised and no one wants that. It is a shame that individuals who volunteer for their time on the board get treated by others (like OBrien )like dirt. Shame Shame I don't see you taking on board positions. You can talk like this when you walk in their shoes. :x
After we leave from iraq the market will be flooded with good portable diesel desal units.
Man if the jewel of the Sonoran developments is screwed It makes me wonder about the rest of us.
Am I also remembering correctly that this project was primarily, proposed, planned and supervised by educated American professional owners and that it is not merely another solely Mexican fiasco?
Come on Dryheat, where is your comment about the situation in hand at las Conchas :lol: :lol:
It seems to me like good old american boys screwing with some other good old american boys in mexican territory!!!! :eek3:
I suppose Las Conchas members should hired O'ferril to take care of their problems!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
There are no checks or balances on these homeowner associations. They collect large sums of monies from people that want to be members but have no real way of protecting the monies from greedy board members with no moral values.
That is one of the reasons soon to be governor
Jan Brewer and her husband John chose not to be members of Las Conchas homeowners association. They ended up going to court in Hermosillo and Jan and her husband won because belonging to a homeowners association is voluntary in Mexico.
What a piece of work she is. She won't pay the dues but enjoys the benefits including getting her garbarge picked up, streets taken care of, water. Yea she's great! It is people like her that means that Las Conchas doesn't have enough money but the members want more including those that don't pay.
Las Conchas's is in the city of Puerto Penasco, home owners pay city taxes like we all do that own a home in Puerto Penasco which is for services provided by the city if they wanted the services.The city will pick up the trash and fix the roads if they let them. If a few people want to have there own services and pay dues I guess they can. That doesn't mean that everybody has to join the HOA because as you can tell there is no checks and balances for the the people that run the HOA'S. If you want to join and watch your money disappear I guess you can. Like I said you do not have to be a member of the HOA that was organized by Americans, not the Mexican government.
Did Las Conchas HOA have a surveillance committee made up of at least 6 owners voted in by the community? If they did not then I can see how the HOA took the money and caused problems. If they did have a surveillance committee no excuse for the squandering of funds if they had an eye over them. A good HOA in Mexico should have a surveillance committee appointed by the community and made up of owners.
The money is not lost. The money was used to put in meters at each house, set up a Las Conchas water company, and buy the equipment. The engineering costs of planning is also included in there. The HOA is not bankrupt. It has cut the fat like I mentioned earlier. Yes there is a review board. Friday makes it sound like there is no money. The HOA works on keeping the community in the black. There are some very angry people who recently resigned or got voted off . OBrien did not run the organization any better. If anything the community was in worse shape. There are always two sides to every story. Friday's is just one.
I am a newcomer to Las Conchas...brought my house 3 years ago. And I still have no idea what is going on. I have heard many stories and their views, but nothing is consistent. There is no accountability and nothing but accusations and naming calling.
Some people have been vocal about the management company. About how much they get paid for what they do. I for one am glad Cadden Management is here...at least somebody is keeping track of the money now. As for where the money went for the water system....who the hell knows. People have stated that it is not gone and that it has been used towards the water system...well if thats the case, why is after so many years that we dont have a finished system in place???
Not to digress from who is a crook and not a crook but I am curious to know about the current water situation. Does Las Conchas have a steady supply of water now? There for awhile they only got water every two or three days so you really had to ration it. Sort of felt like camping.
Las Conchas's is in the city of Puerto Penasco, home owners pay city taxes like we all do that own a home in Puerto Penasco which is for services provided by the city if they wanted the services.The city will pick up the trash and fix the roads if they let them. If a few people want to have there own services and pay dues I guess they can. That doesn't mean that everybody has to join the HOA because as you can tell there is no checks and balances for the the people that run the HOA'S. If you want to join and watch your money disappear I guess you can. Like I said you do not have to be a member of the HOA that was organized by Americans, not the Mexican government.
Good for Mr. Mrs. Brewer! In spite of the 'group thinking' of US HOA advocates, often supported by pressure from certain local Mexican attorneys, just as in the US, anyone who owns a property before the insecure power freak and often unqualifed Hoa advocates arrive is not compelled to join.
Not to digress from who is a crook and not a crook but I am curious to know about the current water situation. Does Las Conchas have a steady supply of water now? There for awhile they only got water every two or three days so you really had to ration it. Sort of felt like camping.
Water is only on a few times a week...almost all the homes have giant underground tanks that hold the water and use pumps to supply the house with water pressure
If you only knew. They strike for more money every couple of months and don't do shit for work. Laziest bunch of jackasses we've ever had. Shutting off the h2o was a mistake though and they're about to realize it.Totally illegal, now the police and the Mayor are involved. There was a wage comparison floating around awhile back that showed what they get. They are actually better paid than most city workers.As for Brewer, she used our roads and trash services for free for many years, maybe you applaud that type of selfish behavior. If so I wouldn't want you for a vecino either. Nothing worse than a load that won't pay their own way.
So they use their strike clause which is obviously in the contract your HOA negotiated and you are surprised?
Shutting off the water would be the first thing I would do if I were leading the strike, and it could be easily justfied as a "breakdown". Again, you are surprised?
I'm sure there are lots of things floating around, and probably soon to be floating in your water. Since these are not workers employed by the City, the comparison has no relevance. If you mean RP workers in general, it still has no relevance. These workers are obviously motivated and orgainzed to stand up for what so they deserve what they get. (which brings into question your characterization of these workers as I assure you it's a lot harder to go on strike than to work).
Jan Brewer is a Republican and staunchly anti-Union. Unlike Unions in Arizona, HOA's have the power to force you to join whether you want to or not (Right to Work For Less laws). And for some reason you are surprised that Jan chose not to join your HOA/Union when she saw a legal way to avoid it?
HOA's have proven to be highly susceptible to corruption due to lack of oversight and accountablility. In fact, in another ironic comparison to a Union, if I were a Mafia boss an HOA would be ripe for the picking. Add in that the HOA is in a foreign country and most of the members live in the U.S. and.......
But if I were to buy in RP it would be in Las Conchas because I prefer that area. I wouldn't join the HOA either especially with the desal boondogle. Where I live now in Gilbert I specifically looked for a house in one of the 14 neighborhoods without an HOA and I like it just fine. I don't need anyone telling me how to be a good neighbor.
There is no contract with a strike clause. You can have a union in Mexico with as little as 2 workers and they can strike. Ask Tom O'hare of the Rocky Point Times, they struck his office too.
I reiterate: these guys refuse to work, the problem does not lie with the HOA it lies with the workers. There is TOTAL relevance in the FACT that they are already comparatively well paid .Common sense dictates that you do fair work for your wage or move along. And as I said , shutting off the water is illegal , not the right thing to do.
I believe Brewer saw the error of her ways and corrected it once it went public. Shame and the need for votes rules.
The mayor will not get involved because this coming year is an election year and if he supports the gringos, he won't be voted in. The police turned the water valves on but the pumps are locked and taped and without the pumps we have no water. The last strike cost the people who pay their assessments over $70,000. Right now there are more than 200 who have not paid in 2008. That is over $200,000 in fees. The rest of us who paid we can not afford another large sum like this. The MX government offices close on the 18th and don't reopen until the 5th of Jan. Without government assistance the homeowners can do nothing. We can't even unlock the building with the pumps. The workers are striking LasConchas and the building of the pumps is LasConchas. They are not striking against the homeowners they say. If the building is unlocked, the person doing it would be arrested.
It is a long story to why the strike occured but less i say the union official set up three emploees to be insubordinate three times, resulting in them getting fired. These firings resulted in the strike.
For all you union lovers there. The Mexican unions are not anything like the American unions. They are worse. Be careful talking so big about unions. With the new pres elect, socialism will over take capitalism and your beloved unions will go down the river without a paddle.
Best of luck with that. I'm no Obama fan but he does consider himself a friend of Union's. IMO, thing will stay pretty much the same. I do find it odd that you think Socialism is the death knell for Unions though. Seems to me there is a lot of Socialism going on in Europe and there sure are a lot of Unions and Union activity.
We might not have to wait for Obama with all the corporate socialism going on right now!
It's a good thing I'm not running that strike, I'd turn the pumps back on but they would be attached to the sewer lines. All sorts of stuff would be floating around!
Jesus and a Union Guy...
Two managers and a union worker were fishing on a lake one day, when Jesus walked across the water and joined them in the boat. When the three astonished men had settled down enough to speak, the first guy asked humbly, "Jesus, I've suffered from back pain ever since I took shrapnel in the Vietnam war...could you help me?" "Of course, my son", Jesus said, and when he touched the man's back, he felt relief for the first time in years. The second man, who wore very thick glasses and had a hard time reading and driving, asked if Jesus could do anything about his eyesight. Jesus smiled, removed the man's glasses and tossed them in the lake. When they hit the water, the man's eyes cleared and he could see everything distinctly. When Jesus turned to heal the union worker, the guy put his hands up and cried defensively, "Don't touch me! I'm on long term disability."
Did you know that Union people built the pyramids? It was originally designed as a cube. Each shift did a little less till the last said 'throw a rock on top and lets go home'.
AFL-CIO:
American Federation of Leaches, Criminals, Ingrates, and Oddballs
A man walks down the road, but stops at a peculiar sight. Two union guys are working by the side of the road, but the first is simply digging holes while the second is filling them up. Curiousity gets the best of the walker, so he asks the men what they are doing.
"We're a post-hole crew," says the first.
"But what about the posts?"
The other union guy answers, "we're a three man crew -- Bob digs the holes, I fill them, and Charlie puts the posts in, but he's out sick today."
I don't think your anti-union jokes are going to give Scott Adams anything to worry about!
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I've had a few people ask me whey I use the name Leastbest. As always there is a story.
When I was a young driver for ETDS I was told my boss wanted to see me in the office. I walked in and two supervisors were there. I was told to sit down and they closed the door. Whenever a door is closed it is a bad thing.
Supervisor #1: Are you aware that we only hire the best people?
Me: No I didn't.
Supervisor #1: Well we do. You're in here because we only hire the best people but you are least best.
Me: You mean I'm the worst?
Supervisor #1: No, we don't have any worst drivers, we only have the best drivers and you are least best.
At this time I felt as though I had fallen through a rabbit hole and into some Orwellian world.
Me: But I'm still one one of the best, right?
Supervisor #2: What are you stupid?
Me: How could I be, I'm one of the best!
Supervisor #2: You are being told this so you can improve.
Me: How can I improve? I'm already one of the best.
Supervisor #1: I'm not wasting any more time with you. You are put on notice. You are least best.
Me: As long as I'm one of the best.
This was only the beginning of my problems with the convoluted language of ETDS. One time a supervisor and I had this sparkling conversation.
Supervisor: Do you know what your problem is?
Me: No I don't. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
Supervisor: Your problem is you react to problems. You should preact!
Me: What does that mean?
Supervisor: You should expect the unexpected. Act upon things before they happen.
Me: I wish I had acted upon this conversation before it happened and walked away.
Supervisor: There is no point in talking to you, you never listen.
Since then I've had hundreds of these conversations, each one a little more mind-numbing than the one before. Anyone who thinks the Dilbert cartoons are fantasy have never worked for a corporation.
According to upper management's handbook 'Management for Dummy's', it would appear that in the interest of maintaining your self esteem, 'least best' puts you ahead of 'best worse', which gives you a sporting chance for improvement. One added piece of advice mentioned refers to word substitution as a fast track for promotion, ie substitute words like 'fantastic' in lieu of 'bullshit' in your responses to serious management strategies. This should help. :roll:
The other union guy answers, "we're a three man crew -- Bob digs the holes, I fill them, and Charlie puts the posts in, but he's out sick today."
This passage demostrates how little brain union people have!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Submarine said:
Bob and the other guy were "working as directed
This passage demostrates how little brain corporate america has!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
IMHO, after working for both systems I ended up with my own business, tighter but lots happier!!!!
my two cents, and if you think is worthless then call it my two pesos!!!
and no matter what I still enjoy PP and the beach, renting a condo or in my trailer
:eek3:
I came out to Las Conchas this morning and talked to a guard at the guard shack. He said that the dispute had been settled and he was happy about it. He did not go into details but as far as I can see, things are back up and running out here.
The latest word is that the HOA is buying out the contract, the employees will be out of work and security will be contracted to a private firm. Not settled yet.
So they use their strike clause which is obviously in the contract your HOA negotiated and you are surprised?
Shutting off the water would be the first thing I would do if I were leading the strike, and it could be easily justfied as a "breakdown". Again, you are surprised?
I'm sure there are lots of things floating around, and probably soon to be floating in your water. Since these are not workers employed by the City, the comparison has no relevance. If you mean RP workers in general, it still has no relevance. These workers are obviously motivated and orgainzed to stand up for what so they deserve what they get. (which brings into question your characterization of these workers as I assure you it's a lot harder to go on strike than to work).
Jan Brewer is a Republican and staunchly anti-Union. Unlike Unions in Arizona, HOA's have the power to force you to join whether you want to or not (Right to Work For Less laws). And for some reason you are surprised that Jan chose not to join your HOA/Union when she saw a legal way to avoid it?
HOA's have proven to be highly susceptible to corruption due to lack of oversight and accountablility. In fact, in another ironic comparison to a Union, if I were a Mafia boss an HOA would be ripe for the picking. Add in that the HOA is in a foreign country and most of the members live in the U.S. and.......
But if I were to buy in RP it would be in Las Conchas because I prefer that area. I wouldn't join the HOA either especially with the desal boondogle. Where I live now in Gilbert I specifically looked for a house in one of the 14 neighborhoods without an HOA and I like it just fine. I don't need anyone telling me how to be a good neighbor.
Dude, strength in numbers, not by fear to the innocent.
Well since it looks like HOA cannot function as a ruling body that serves it's people.I think they should hire this guy: http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategori ... /robot.jpg
Fat assed union feather bedders,crooked desalinization plant salesmen,classless faulty tower builders all will feel his power.
Also maybe Charles Barkley is available to run the place while waiting out his dui trial.
Ok so who really wrote this letter and how is it getting out to the homeowners in Las Conchas? Had I not been a blog reader I would have never gotten this.
Not in my book, Maybe candy ass punks like you don't like it.
If I were you playa, if someone came up to me in PP and asked if I was playaperro, I'd say no... One of these here candy ass's are liable to knock you down on yours.:mrgreen:
If you are such a hard case, post a picture loud mouth! You won't do it, and most of us know why... Eres un cobarde, con una boca grande.
Not in my book, Maybe candy ass punks like you don't like it.
You are speaking to an educated woman and I would appreciate more respect. Individuals like you are why men get a bad rap. I will not stoop to your level of ignorance.
If I were you playa, if someone came up to me in PP and asked if I was playaperro, I'd say no... One of these here candy ass's are liable to knock you down on yours.:mrgreen:
If you are such a hard case, post a picture loud mouth! You won't do it, and most of us know why... Eres un cobarde, con una boca grande.
The park in front of me is now called The Village. When we subdivded land in Penasco the roads, parks and anything else that was never intended to be sold, unless it was dedicated to the city all stayed in our names as a parcel of saleable land (Yes even the roads). We still have roads that are held as saleable properties and in the wrong hands could be used to block access to properties of other people. This finally got stopped in Desarollo Urbano about 4 years ago. Too many crooks that took advantage of a dangerous situation. Thats Rocky Point.
Hey Kenny,
Are you a land owner in Las Conchas or any where in Mexico?Do you have a dog in the fight?
Hey rikyt, my last, and I believe my only post on this thread was strictly aimed at all the foul mouthed barking the dog was doing at that time.(almost a year ago) You don't have a problem with that do you, or what?
I hope that's a horse I hear coming.:veg:
The park in front of me is now called The Village. When we subdivded land in Penasco the roads, parks and anything else that was never intended to be sold, unless it was dedicated to the city all stayed in our names as a parcel of saleable land (Yes even the roads). We still have roads that are held as saleable properties and in the wrong hands could be used to block access to properties of other people. This finally got stopped in Desarollo Urbano about 4 years ago. Too many crooks that took advantage of a dangerous situation. Thats Rocky Point.
Those funds and what about the $9000.00 USD fee collected on every new house built for the desalinator. Thats probably gone too. When I built 3 houses in section one I paid $33000.00 usd to Las Conchas and got back $6000.00 that was held as a clean up deposit. I would bet if somebody could check the builders of The Village (the ex park)didn't pay $1.00 in desalinator or impact fees.
Those funds and what about the $9000.00 USD fee collected on every new house built for the desalinator. Thats probably gone too. When I built 3 houses in section one I paid $33000.00 usd to Las Conchas and got back $6000.00 that was held as a clean up deposit. I would bet if somebody could check the builders of The Village (the ex park)didn't pay $1.00 in desalinator or impact fees.
well this off the subject but...every village needs an idiot
Joe Friday is Richard O'Brien who owes the ladron, Francisco Hernandez Mandujano favors. He thinks that because he met Mom once or twice, he knew her. Bottom line is, and always will be, Francisco Hernandez Mandujano lied to our family and betrayed our mother. You really gotta look at someone's motivation for what they say and it's validity. We learn more every day about how Machiavellian Hernandez is by how he has and continues to try to drive a wedge between us as family members. Some are just more gullible than others. Watch carefully, what he does is separate and conquer. Almost worked with us. I'll bet anyone that knows him has experienced his sad story about how (usually) the men in the family don't like him...and then, of course, as women, we try to fix it. The truth is, he is starting his divisive game. Some people are just in too deep with him to get out....try the mirror!
Yea its a done deal, closed escrow. Vecino's have the money they will refunding some money to those who paid into this...Like I said you have to clean house. U can't have one person be president for 2 terms vice president for 2 terms well lets say he had everything for 2 terms. Jerry I rather tell you in person, lets hook up
one day..
Playa, I paid $33,000.00 in fees to Las Conchas in 2007. $6000.00 of that money was refunded when I finaled out the three houses I built in section 1. $27,000.00 of the deposits was kept as an impact fee. I think the impact fee was another name for financing the desal plant is this what you are talking about? I hope so-- me and you are goin' on vacation if it is.
Yea Bill you got some money coming to you amigo, They sent out some letters to the vecino's and if you have your paperwork they should have a record and you got some money coming back. Better drop in and tell them, or call, unless you need Arturo's email I can forward it to you.
A.C. Thanks for the letter, sold for $412,000.00, I dont remember what was paid but it seems they took a big hit. I kissed that money away 4 years ago so whatever we get is just like finding it. I have had a great March and April so this is like a bonus.
Start in Nevada and wind up here www.tootsiescabaret.com in Miami and here in South Beach www.mangostropicalcafe.com I love Miami. Or we could just go to the Mayan and hang out with the Canadian's for a couple day's and flick seagull poop at each other in the swimming pool. Its your choice A.C. I hope you make the right one. Please
Playa, Fabiola found our paperwork and the amount of money that went to the desal project from our fee's. I really appreciate your post about the sale, I probably would never have found out.
well with the breakdown if you paid $4200.00 usa dollars you might get back, guess under $400.00 plus what was just taken in on the sale of the two desal trains.
You came late to the party lagrimas but you got here.
well with the breakdown if you paid $4200.00 usa dollars you might get back, guess under $400.00 plus what was just taken in on the sale of the two desal trains.
You came late to the party lagrimas but you got here.
Playa, actually it was 3 houses I built so its 4200x3. That sounds about right for Puerto Penasco give them $4200.00 and get back under $400.00 when the clowns they are decide they cant do it right anyway. Penasco's full of 'em. We can still go on vacation,we'll take a tent,a couple pack's of hot dogs and some fricken marshmellos and head over to the tent section of Playa De Oro. I must have been dreamin'. Miami www.tootsiescabaret.comwww.mangostropicalcafe.com ,Vegas. I think I will pack my Avon " SOAP ON A ROPE" just to be safe" in case we have to use public showers.
Bill....why go tenting...with that kind of money, you can rent a condo at Las Palomas....from one of dryheat's neighbors.....just check craigslist!!!:stir::rofl:
Bill....why go tenting...with that kind of money, you can rent a condo at Las Palomas....from one of dryheat's neighbors.....just check craigslist!!!:stir::rofl:
Joe, you don't think somebody would squeal or snitch on me, I think I would crack if they locked me in the managers office for questioning.
Playa, here is the actual breakdown $3000.00 Building Fee---$2000.00 Clean Up Fee---$1200.00 Water Connection Fee---$4725.00 Desalinazation Assessment Fee---$400.00 Water Use Fee =$11,325.00 x 3=$33,975.00 for me. I hope I'm not forgetting any fee's here.
Playa de Oro for a week. Happys coup...that was so chetoso LMAO...Maybe $1400.00 on your desal fee and maybe another $2000.00 on the trains they just sold, So
your looking at about $3400.00 for ya....Building fee gone water connection gone...
Playa, my dreams of going to Vegas getting all the perk's, being highrollers free rooms, food, drinks and women, then on to South Beach, you and me Cuban girls on each arm, sipping Mojito's with real Cuban Mojito Mint have been destroyed. By the time Las Conchas gets done with me, we are gonna be camping in the tent area of Playa De Oro,guzzling Hamm's 40 ozers and probably wind up sharing a fat girl from Sonoyta.
Playa, my dreams of going to Vegas getting all the perk's, being highrollers free rooms, food, drinks and women, then on to South Beach, you and me Cuban girls on each arm, sipping Mojito's with real Cuban Mojito Mint have been destroyed. By the time Las Conchas gets done with me, we are gonna be camping in the tent area of Playa De Oro,guzzling Hamm's 40 ozers and probably wind up sharing a fat girl from Sonoyta.
So in other words, same o same o for the dog.:lol:
Playa de Oro for a week. Happys coup...that was so chetoso LMAO...Maybe $1400.00 on your desal fee and maybe another $2000.00 on the trains they just sold, So
your looking at about $3400.00 for ya....Building fee gone water connection gone...
That's more than I thought I had coming last week, its allright actually it was figured in the cost of the house's when they were built and sold and I wasn't expecting to get anything back ever. But that still doesn't let the sharpies running Las Conchas off the hook they are still a bunch of clowns. That's why I like Lagrimas no bullsh%ten americans to jack around with.
I wish I could bring investor's money in, not do what I say I am gonna do and then a couple years later return only 1/3 of it. The right thing to do would know what you are doing before you start gathering funds from people and then you don't have to lurk around. If I didn't know anything about water desalinators I probably wouldn't say anything at all, I have installed 2 on boat's for long range travel and started to pull permits (denied) to install one in Lopez. There isn't anything to complicated, they are very basic ( you can build a 500 gallon a day one in your garage in a day or two) Las Conchas made it complicated with the money they had available to complicate things.
Playa, I still have some lots in Las Conchas, but even though I built there I was never in the Hoa. My paperwork specifies how the fee's I paid were split up, I almost bet if I took them to court, the court would give me all the money I paid toward the desalinator. That was the deal and they didn't fulfill they're end of it. The Hoa can vote how to split the money amongst themselves if they want, but I was never a member.
