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Thunder on the beach!

Started by mexicoruss · Jun 15, 2011 · 143 replies
mexicoruss
Mark your calendars, October 15th 2011 the first ever Thunder on the beach, because racing knows no borders. More to follow...........................
Terry C
Los Patos ?
HAPPY
"knows no borders" ~ ~ ~ more to follow........................................

mexicoruss said:
Mark your calendars, October 15th 2011 the first ever Thunder on the beach, because racing knows no borders. More to follow...........................


~ ~ ~ OMG, MG, MG, ~ ~ ~ October 15th 2011 ! ! ! ~ ~ ~ ARE "THINGS" ```"THAT" ```BAD DN. SO. ! ! !

~ ~ ~ "MORE" ``` "COTTON CANDY", ``` THE "PEDDLER" IS @ IT AGAIN, :lol: :lol: :lol:

~ ~ ~ "COTTON CANDY" ~ ~ ~ GET YOUR "COTTON CANDY" HERE :lol: :lol: :lol:

~ ~ ~ NOT TO WORRY, ```BECAUSE OF THE ``` "FOOD" ``` THAT WILL BE ``` "SERVED" ~ ~ ~ AKA ~ ~ ~ "HASHED OUT" ```:lol: :lol: :lol:

~ ~ ~ THERE WILL BE @ LEAST ```TWO "STOMACH PUMPERS" ```AKA ```:lol: :lol: :lol:

~ ~ ~ "BELLY PUMPERS" ```AKA ```"GREASE EXTRACTORS" ```ON "DUTY" ```:lol: :lol: :lol:

~ ~ ~ IF IT IS "LOS PATOS" ~ ~ ~ THAT PLACE IS A ~ ~ ~ JOKE, ~ ~ ~ THOSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT SPEED IS, ~ ~ ~ & IF THEY DID ~ ~ ~ THEY'ED BE SCARED SHITLESS OF IT, ~ ~ ~ ! ! !
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Mexico Joe
Pardon me but what kind of racing are we talking about here? Sand drags? I dont know about los patos...
cmuchm
Is that drag queens.
rockyptjoe
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Since he so enjoys pissing on everything and everyone....
HAPPY
<:-) <:-) <:-)

rockyptjoe said:
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Since he so enjoys pissing on everything and everyone....


~ ~ ~ Hey monkey rocky, all I see is a little square w/a smaller square w/a red x ```like your last few posts, ``` why not post something we can all see, why are you ```HIDING ? ~ ~ ~ ?

~ ~ ~ BTW, ```I THOUGHT YOU PUT ME ON YOUR ```'BLOCKED LIST" ? ``` WHATS THE MATTER ``` CAN'T KEEP AWAY FROM MY JIVE ? ``` :lol: :lol: :lol:

~ ~ ~ FEEL FREE TO PUT ME BACK ON YOUR ```"LIST" ~ ~ ~ :lol: :lol: :lol:
dry heat
rockyptjoe said:
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Since he so enjoys pissing on everything and everyone....


just let him be, the poor guy is mentally retarded and this is his outlet. His english has improved though, so I am proud of his progress.
Dezracer
Sand drags!!! They have been absent from RP for a while. Are the racing at the drag strip coming into town or in front of the Reef?
rockyptjoe
That's weird....I'm hearing that the graphic is not visible....just an x in a box...but I see it on my screen....
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Esperanza
I thought this was about Racing............. Why all the comments from the "Peanut Gallery"? Honestly, I hesitate to even post here due to the "snide, smart-ass" remarks that seem to pop up so often.....from the same people.

I look to Rockpointtalk.net to "find out what is going on" in RP......check fishing info for hubby, recommendations for things to see & do while there. I really looked to this with a positive outlook, now, I just wonder who's smart ass remark is going to piss me off next?

Like my dear hubby always says....you've got 2 choices....Like it or don't. Guess I need to pick.
Stuart
Back to Banned Camp for Happy! Don't even bother emailing me about it. You simply refuse to play well with others regardless of how many chances you're given.
MIRAMAR
If Happy is one of the Seven Dwarfs, he should change his name to Grumpy.
rockyptjoe
Dezracer said:
Sand drags!!! They have been absent from RP for a while. Are the racing at the drag strip coming into town or in front of the Reef?


I thought the locals still used the drag strip outside of town on a regular basis????
mexicoruss
Ok heres a little more of a tease. 4 divisions of racing will be coming for October 15, 16 the location will be the big hole in the ground that was to be the new marina out by the reef on the way to Cholla Bay. The owner of a race track in Arizona is building a professional style track with bleachers and all. The structure will be semi permanent since there is some possibility of the marina happening in the future but a guarantee has been given that in the event that the Marina is built that a race track would be built to replace it.

the four divisions are
1. Sprint Cars
2. USRA Modifieds
3. Mini Sprints
4. Dwarf cars

There will be sponsorships available and I will have more on that later.

The track owner feels that over 100 race cars will be here and Stateside attendees will be over 5000. The races will be advertised heavily in Mexico as well because there a lot of motorheads here and in Caborca and San Luis and Mexicali.

The next set of races will be February 18, 19 (off road trucks)
Then March 24, 25th (Monster Trucks)
There will be an appearance by Spanky Spangler for the Memorial day race next year.

The track is called "Thunder on the Beach"

This is a very good thing and has already been given all legal approval and the department of tourism is behind it both in spirit and with some cash. It will happen and it will be huge. I will keep this forum and others up-to-date on the progress and new news.....
Stuart
mexicoruss said:
... the location will be the big hole in the ground that was to be the new marina out by the reef on the way to Cholla Bay.


Guess that answers my question in the Cruise ship thread about whether the hole had filled back in with sand yet...
Ladyjeeper
Cool Beans! I just love drag races!!!!!! We'll be there.
Kenny
The track owner of the facility http://www.thunderraceway.com/ is rumored to be the people behind this deal. I've heard the rumors for a few weeks, but not from the racing community. I've been to two different tracks the last two weeks to watch the Sprints and some of the other divisions run, and no one has heard about a track in PP. Fact is, Thunder raceway has not been able to put on a decent sprint car show in some time.
The racing community in AZ is just starting to recover some from this recession, and traveling is something they just can't afford to do very much of at this time, especially the more expensive cars, like the Sprints. Now they just opened a new oval track out by Apache Junction and I went out twice this year for their first two sprint car races. Though the crowd was great, and very enthusiastic about the Sprint cars, only 13 showed up. The reason more cars didn't show up was because of the sanctioning body here in AZ, the ASCS, for the most part the top racers here in AZ will only support those races that are sanctioned by them.
I've thrown this out on two of my Sprint cars forums, and I'm going to tell you right now that more than a few will be laughing like HAPPY, their ass's off.
By the way I went to school, played, and grew up with Spangler, and for a buck he'd find a way to dive off the top of Bird Island!
rockyptjoe
Kenny, what type of gas do the sprints run?

One of the reasons we couldn't get racers to come down for jetski races was the availability of high octane gas (AV gas) in Penasco, and the hassle they got at the border trying to bring it in.
Kenny
rockyptjoe said:
Kenny, what type of gas do the sprints run?

One of the reasons we couldn't get racers to come down for jetski races was the availability of high octane gas (AV gas) in Penasco, and the hassle they got at the border trying to bring it in.

Not gas, fuel...Methanol, and I love that smell..http://www.world-sprintcar-guide.com/sprint-car-engines.html
For the most part Southern Cali and AZ is traditional sprint car country-non wing.
mexicoruss
Memorial day is non wing sprints. Stay with the positive, with the things you love and it is attractive. Go negative and you lose. This is a good thing all the way around. I understand several racetracks will close on these weekends to support the Rocky Point Track.
Kenny
mexicoruss said:
Memorial day is non wing sprints. Stay with the positive, with the things you love and it is attractive. Go negative and you lose. This is a good thing all the way around. I understand several racetracks will close on these weekends to support the Rocky Point Track.
Anyone who knows me, knows I've been around open wheeled racing all my life and you won't find a bigger supporter. I've even been to the track to watch them with a few people on this forum, including HAPPY!
That said, don't give me any of your Pom pom's in the face Russ. I only posted what I know as facts, and how it is as of now in the sprint car community that I'm very close to. Yes Canyon will be closed, and USA in Tucson is not running
Sprints that weekend, and the ASCS doesn't have a scheduled race at all. That's all good. Now I know Kevin Montgomery who runs the ASCS here in AZ, and last weekend before the race at Canyon he gave me this great news http://www.hoseheadforums.com/forum.cfm?ThreadID=55906 but not a word about Mexico. If only 13 cars will show up for a non sanctioned ASCS race at new facilities east of Phoenix, and with a decent purse..enough said.
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Kenny

Memorial day is non wing sprints.

Memorial day weekend is traditionally the biggest open wheel racing weekend across our country, the USA, starting with the Indy 500. With the way our tracks are struggling here in AZ and across this country, I'm not sure what kind of support you'll get. As a whole, the open wheel community is very conservative, and they just might not like the idea of not racing at home on Memorial Day weekend, and they will have a lot of traditional choices for that weekend.
As far as Monster Trucks are concerned..Just keep em off the beach.
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Kenny
mexicoruss said:
Memorial day is non wing sprints. Stay with the positive, with the things you love and it is attractive. Go negative and you lose. This is a good thing all the way around. I understand several racetracks will close on these weekends to support the Rocky Point Track.

One more thing..That "hole" that you call it blocked our access to one of the best shore fishing and snorkeling area's close to town, and I'm still pissed about that! :lobster:
TucRick
thats a lot of money in fuel and passports that crews would have to get (at least $400), as much as i love dirt track racing and rocky point, i dont see it being a success if it even did happen
Kenny
TucRick said:
thats a lot of money in fuel and passports that crews would have to get (at least $400), as much as i love dirt track racing and rocky point, i dont see it being a success if it even did happen

I've posted this on Robbie Allen's (see message board) site, it's mainly for AZ, but also for all of our open wheel community. So far 91 people have looked at it in apparent disbelief; but you can be sure it's being checked out as I write this. http://www.abcmotorsports.com/ You might want to check back if your interested in what they say when they do reply.
I've also posted it Cali's non wing SCRAFAN.COM forum, but you don't want to read what was said there. I'm already defending PP on that forum.
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Terry C
IMO it would take a lot of work for the surface. MANZY had a dirt base with a clay surface that held moisture. What would they use there? Sand with a colitiche top? I know the spelling is wrong... Just a thought.
If it goes and I hope it will, I would be there to see it.
Kenny
My friend Sean responded to my post like this.

Better get me a darn passport then. Sounds like a party to me!!
Sean,
Tucson
TucRick
i dont doubt people would show up to watch, but unless they have a huge payout, including a good amount just to start, i dont see a lot of racers making the trip. say an average crew of 3 need a passport, thats about 200. the fuel just to get down there is going to be 200 to 400 depending on the size of the truck/hauler, if it is a 2 day show, thats a couple hundred for a place to stay, plus food. your gonna be at 800-1000 just to go. plus, taking a race car across the border is a hassle, i know people that have done it. with the economy still not back to strength, i just dont see a lot of race teams making that trip. it cant even be used as a mini vacation for the teams since there is so much work to do on the cars between races, i would love to see it, just dont think they will get the turnout, but i hope i am wrong
Mexico Joe
Ask the people that owned Manzanita Speedway if they think its possible in RP... lawl
Kenny
Mexico Joe said:
Ask the people that owned Manzanita Speedway if they think its possible in RP... lawl

That was a very sneaky deal Joe. After getting Manzy for a spit because of his long good standing in AZ's racing community, Mel Martin sold Manzy out the back door on the sly. The man's name as the promoter, along with his brothers is on a 1962 program I have from a Champ dirt car race at the old fairgrounds that I attended in the 8th grade,1962. Manzy was sold to Mel with the thought that he would take care of our historic facility. Manzy by most people's thoughts in the community would still be operating now, if it hadn't have been sold to a Crane Co that hasn't done a thing with that property as of yet. Mel Martin was voted out of the Arizona Motor sports Hall of fame by the member's, and that was happily announced by Windy MacDonald at a hall of fame race in Tucson.
Anyone remember this? http://www.savethetracks.com/
Last edited: Jun 17, 2011 at 9:52 AM
shilo
we could all go to the watch the submarine racing after the sprints!
rockyptjoe
Kenny said:
Not gas, fuel...Methanol, and I love that smell..http://www.world-sprintcar-guide.com/sprint-car-engines.html
For the most part Southern Cali and AZ is traditional sprint car country-non wing.


Well...the fuel issue would kill it right there. I've gotten hassled at the border just bringing a couple 5 gallon jugs of fuel on my jetski trailer. Can you imagine what would happen with a barrel or two? And don't talk to me about the city(Penasco) or state of Sonora making arrangements for that. I've seen what happens when some people try to bring down used computer equipment for charitable purposes, and have "paperwork" from the city....it still doesn't make it down!
mexicoruss
Thanks for getting the word out Kenny, its funny I know Robbie up in Cottonwood we will see what his take is on this. He hasn't been down to RP since the fishermen blocked the road one day in a gvt protest I think it must have scared him. I just saw him a couple of weeks ago maybe I will see if he wants to come back down and see what is really going on here.
Kenny
mexicoruss said:
Thanks for getting the word out Kenny, its funny I know Robbie up in Cottonwood we will see what his take is on this. He hasn't been down to RP since the fishermen blocked the road one day in a gvt protest I think it must have scared him. I just saw him a couple of weeks ago maybe I will see if he wants to come back down and see what is really going on here.

Robbie is a great guy, and he's a one guy you can always count on to be there for our sport. He was instrumental in getting those Sprint car races together at the new track outside of Phoenix, and even though he's also racing for point's with ASCS, he had his car out there for both shows.
This is very strange... Even though 169 people, and I'd say there all from the AZ racing community, not one person has commented on your announcement! http://abcteam.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=182443
kazpilot25
Kenny said:
That was a very sneaky deal Joe. After getting Manzy for a spit because of his long good standing in AZ's racing community, Mel Martin sold Manzy out the back door on the sly. The man's name as the promoter, along with his brothers is on a 1962 program I have from a Champ dirt car race at the old fairgrounds that I attended in the 8th grade, 1962. Manzy was sold to Mel with the thought that he would he would take care of our historic facility. Manzy would by most people's thoughts in the community would still be operating now if it hadn't have been sold to a Crane Co that hasn't done a thing with that property as of now. Mel Martin was voted out of the Arizona Motor sports Hall of fame by the member's, and that was happily announced by Windy MacDonald at a hall of fame race in Tucson.
Anyone remember this? http://www.savethetracks.com/


It's really too bad Keith Hall lost Manzy. I have all the inside information going all the way back to the beginning and the way the track was basically taken away from him was terrible. If Keith still owned Manzanita it would still be the best place in AZ to go watch some open wheel racing. We would still have an outlet to go watch the World of Outlaws and USAC Sprints every year. It's really too bad.

Now about the race in RP: I have heard through many people in the "know" that this will happen and is already set in stone and approved with the local governments as far as permits, etc. I honestly believe there will be a good turnout as far as the crowd goes and that should lead to a pretty good purse. The question is how many cars will they get? I've heard in talking to a few car owners and association officials that they are expecting quite a few cars to head down for this event. Something like this is not really about the money for these guys, it's more about the experience. I used to race sprint cars myself and if I were still in the game I would be down there in a heartbeat.
Kenny

I've heard in talking to a few car owners and association officials that they are expecting quite a few cars to head down for this event.

Would you care to say what assocation? If it's sprint cars in AZ there's only one, so I'd say that was a loaded question. If they are expecting quite a few cars, it's funny that no one is going near that thread to the tune of 160+ views. Truth is, it's not only not a hot topic out there right now, it's being looked at on Robbies forum as if they can't believe it, even though most know me on there.
I guess you know that Lealand has, and has had a place in Cholla Bay for years.
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Kenny
This is the BIG NEWS in AZ Sprint car racing.



The Hall of Fame Classic Returns USAC Sprint Cars to Arizona




Kevin Montgomery PEORIA, Ariz. (June 16th, 2011) - As we approach summer and look to the future as to what the second half of 2011 may bring us, traditional Sprint Car fans can mark their calendar for October 28th and 29th as Canyon Speedway will host the Hall of Fame Classic featuring the stars of the United States Auto Club Sprint Cars.




The Hall of Fame Classic found a home at the Peoria, Arizona race track in 2010 and has quickly become one of the marquee events of the 30 year old facility. The October event will mark the return of USAC Sprint Cars to the Valley of the Sun since the closing of Manzanita Speedway in April 2009. The combination of USAC Sprint Cars and the tradition of the Hall of Fame Classic will likely make for a formidable West Coast Sprint Car event.




"Kevin Montgomery and I have been working on this event for a while now and we are happy to see USAC coming back to Arizona," commented Chris Kearns of USAC. "This will be a great event with an impressive purse and a great start to the USAC Western Swing."




The Arizona Motorsports Hall of Fame was founded in 1986 when the first 10 members were inducted. Since its inception, more than 80 new members have been elected to the elite group that is occupied with a rich racing heritage, one that is abundant with tradition and prestige. The members list is impressive and each of them has made a considerable impact on racing across the country.




The two night USAC Sprint Car event, honoring Hall of Fame members and new inductees, will feature two complete nights of 410 Sprint Car action with the winner of Friday nights preliminary event pocketing $2500 and the eventual Hall of Fame Classic Champion taking home a $5000 payday on Saturday nights finale.




To keep up on all the latest news and happenings please sign up for Canyon Speedway E-News. The track update registration can be found at the top of the home page: www.canyonspeedwaypark.com




The 2011 Canyon Speedway Schedule can be previewed online at: http://www.canyonspeedwaypark.com/schedule.html




Canyon Speedway Park is located in North Peoria off Lake Pleasant Parkway, then 1.3 miles West on Carefree Highway. For more information please, contact the track at 602-258-RACE(7223) or additional information regarding Canyon Speedway Park can be found at www.canyonspeedwaypark.com




mexicoruss
Kenny said:
This is the BIG NEWS in AZ Sprint car racing.


Gee Kenny thanks for highjacking my thread. ha ha

Since this forum is about things going on in Mexico, I still win.

So far it looks like 80 cars will be here for the first race.

Lucas oil is in the ring.

respectable purse

Lots of vacation giveaways

Fuel concerns eliminated

All good, all good!
Kenny
Lucas oil is the main sponsor for the national winged ASCS sprint car series out of Oklahoma, and is owned and ran by Emmitt hahn. Our local ASCS non winged series is one of many regional groups, and like I said before, their the only non winged, traditonal sprint car group. http://www.ascsracing.com/
If our regional ASCS group gets the go ahead to run a points race down there, it could be OK. Last year they ran two shows at Perri's speedway in Cali, and it was just so so as far as fan support go's. Some of our drivers were given some incentive $ to haul over there, because the ASCS is always looking to expand. That said; without the ASCS even that new track right outside of Phoenix, and expecting a full house with a decent purse, had a hard time fielding cars. The racing was terrific though. There's going to have to be more than a few things to consider than what has been mentioned so far though, and two of them are big.... Safety, and insurance for the drivers.
Last edited: Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM
Kenny
5.22.10 ASCS Canyon Region Sprint Cars from Perris CA... The #12, is Robbie's car
Kenny
Kenny said:
I've posted this on Robbie Allen's (see message board) site, it's mainly for AZ, but also for all of our open wheel community. So far 91 people have looked at it in apparent disbelief; but you can be sure it's being checked out as I write this. http://www.abcmotorsports.com/ You might want to check back if your interested in what they say when they do reply.
I've also posted it Cali's non wing SCRAFAN.COM forum, but you don't want to read what was said there. I'm already defending PP on that forum.

Well it's been over 24 hours and there has been over 200 views of your post on ABC's message board without one reply Russ. Now this is strictly a board about racing in AZ, and no has said one word. I would guess that they just might not think it's true, and that Kenny AKA BIGFISH, was just pulling their tail.:cluck:
P.S. Now can we fill in that damn hole and take the fence down?:woo:
Roberto
:cruisin::cruisin::cruisin:Whoooa, get out the pom poms !!
Kenny
Over 300 views on ABC Russ, and only one posted response, mine!http://abcteam.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=182443 We need a name, something. I know a few guy's who go down, as well one or two who have places in Cholla who frquent the board, and I'm surpised there hasn't at least been post's about the races to JJ's.:cheers:
mexicoruss
Kenny said:
Over 300 views on ABC Russ, and only one posted response, mine!http://abcteam.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=182443 We need a name, something. I know a few guy's who go down, as well one or two who have places in Cholla who frquent the board, and I'm surpised there hasn't at least been post's about the races to JJ's.:cheers:



No Stress Kenny this thing just got born, We will have 1000's to come watch thats for sure. The drivers and owners will come along no worries. Me not being in the sport cant take the findings off of one website as an indicator of whats coming, people have busy lives so some are sloe to respond.
Kenny
Me not being in the sport cant take the findings off of one website as an indicator of whats coming, people have busy lives so some are sloe to respond.

There was a response from car owner Tim Ogle this morning Russ..
There is no way in hell I would ever take my stuff over that border......

Tim

Remember that the off road bunch has been running the Peninsula for generation's, but it's been having some problems the last few years. They are also a whole different ball game than the circle track bunch. You can't lump them all together.
Last edited: Jun 19, 2011 at 1:25 PM
Dezracer
mexicoruss said:

The track owner feels that over 100 race cars will be here and Stateside attendees will be over 5000. The races will be advertised heavily in Mexico as well because there a lot of motorheads here and in Caborca and San Luis and Mexicali.


If have no doubt that the promoter will not have a problem filling the bleachers with spectators. But they are smoking crack if they think they can get 100 cars to enter the race.
Dezracer
Kenny said:
There was a response from car owner Tim Ogle this morning Russ..
Remember that the off road bunch has been running the Peninsula for generation's, but it's been having some problems the last few years. They are also a whole different ball game than the circle track bunch. You can't lump them all together.

Yes we have had a lot of problems with crime in Baja for the last few years...but it has recently gotten better. But it took the Governor of Baja to send a couple of thousand troops into Ensenada at every Baja 500 and 1000 to curb alot of the crime.
Kenny
Thunder on the beach in Ventura California.
mexicoruss
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Sonora
Here I thought this was going to be about some bean eating contest on the beach....nevermind
lagrimas85
Sonora said:
Here I thought this was going to be about some bean eating contest on the beach....nevermind


Thats called THUNDER DOWN UNDER not THUNDER ON THE BEACH. I had my 5 year old grandson Elijah trout fishing with me over the weekend, my kid is half mexican, his wife is half mexican half Lakota Souix so I dont know what Elijah is but somewhere his genes were affected, he ripped one that moved the boat. i said Elijah what was that? He said nothin' grandpa.
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Azchick
Is this it?

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Kenny
Hey Terry! Do you recognize that 45x car in the poster? That's Johnny Herrera's
car... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Herrera and it was around before Johnny started driving it for his dad, Joe. In fact you might remember that Joe first started out with that number on his dirt super mod way back when.
Johnny is touring this year with the ASCS "Herrera takes to the Lucas Oil Sprint Car National trail on a full-time basis for the first time in 2011", and they will be in the area, but it's not on their schedule.
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Tucson, AZ
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Muskogee, OK
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Tulare, CA
10/21/2011
imageDevil`s Bowl Speedway -- 38th Annual Winter Nationals
Mesquite, TX
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imageCanyon Speedway Park -- Canyon Southwest Championships
Peoria, AZ
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imageDevil`s Bowl Speedway -- 38th Annual Winter Nationals
Mesquite, TX
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imageCanyon Speedway Park -- Canyon Southwest Championships
Peoria, AZ
rockyptjoe
Hey Kenny...finally get paroled??

BTW, I had a meeting wtih the Director of International Reations and Tourism for Puerto Penasco last weekend (Sr. Fausto Soto) on having a jetski race....and they are discussing having sprint car races in the big pit! The promoter also wants to bring a monster truck event in there. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it's a "done deal", though! I believe there were to be some additional meetings this past week on the matter.
badfish
Damit! I already booked my rooms for October 7th to the 11th.
RP Kim
To give you a little insight on Thunder On The Beach, Bob Livingston is the promotor who has 16 years experience owning Thunder Raceway, the premier dirt track since Manzanita. Bob has won numerous awards including an award from Jim Hunter, VP of NASCAR. This is the first time such an award had been given to a dirt track. There are 7 (seven) different Associations, and, if you ask any racer who has the best quality track in AZ they will say Thunder Raceway is far more superior in quality of racing than any track in the southwest.

If you are talking about "sprint" car associations, there is ASCS, wing and non-wing, USAC-CRA non wing, ASCA, open comp. which Thunder Raceway has promoted numerous times sanctioned by Thunder Raceway. All wing associations from the United States are invited to the inaugrual race at Thunder On The Beach. If you have any questions regarding the October 15th/16th. races, please watch for our new website at www.thunderraceway.com that will up and running within 2 weeks. Please feel free to reply, and........See You At The Races!!!
Kenny
USA is the #1 racetrack in AZ now hands down, with much better facilities, and a nice 3/8th mile track. It's not even close!! Canyon even has a much bigger and better schedule than Thunder raceway, and both tracks run premier sprint car races like the Western World. I like Thunder raceway, so don't get me wrong, but that's a bunch of nonsense. I can't even remember when Bob had a decent sprint car race up there, and more than a few teams will never go back for reasons I won't go into...Oh, and by the way the ASCA (Arizona Sprint Car Association) unfortunately has been run over by the ASCS and is no longer active, and hasn't been for well over a year and a half, probably two. The open comp deal you ran up there worked for awhile, but you depended on the NMMRA coming over from N.M. to make it happen, and unfortunately for a lot of us who supported that deal, it has not been run in some time, and not this year.. I don't mind you promoting your deal, but please, lets keep it somewhat close to the truth. After all, you're not promoting little old Thunder raceway, you are promoting a race in Rocky point Mexico.
Look for yourself, and tell me which track looks like it's the place to race in AZ.
USA.http://www.usaraceway.net/schedule/ . Or http://www.thunderraceway.com/.. Both USA and Canyon run regular sprint cars shows, both winged and non winged sprinters...Canyon not only has the ASCA Southwest Championship race for both the winged and non winged cars this year in a 2 day show October 21st and 22nd, the also have a 2 day 410 USAC show (out of state group) the following weekend.
I'm sorry Kim, but Thunder raceway is not even close to "the best quality track in AZ",and though many like the little bull ring (I do) I have no idea why you would say such a thing.
Ken Clever

If anyone wants to know what's happening in open wheeled racing in AZ, go here..http://www.abcmotorsports.com/
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Mexico Joe
Kenny said:
USA is the #1 racetrack in AZ now hands down, with much better facilities, and a nice 3/8th mile track. It's not even close!! Canyon even has a much bigger and better schedule than Thunder raceway, and both tracks run premier sprint car races like the Western World. I like Thunder raceway, so don't get me wrong, but that's a bunch of nonsense. I can't even remember when Bob had a decent sprint car race up there, and more than a few teams will never go back for reasons I won't go into...Oh, and by the way the ASCA (Arizona Sprint Car Association) unfortunately has been run over by the ASCS and is no longer active, and hasn't been for well over a year and a half, probably two. The open comp deal you ran up there worked for awhile, but you depended on the NMMRA coming over from N.M. to make it happen, and unfortunately for a lot of us who supported that deal, it has not been run in some time, and not this year.. I don't mind you promoting your deal, but please, lets keep it somewhat close to the truth. After all, you're not promoting little old Thunder raceway, you are promoting a race in Rocky point Mexico.
Look for yourself, and tell me which track looks like it's the place to race in AZ.
USA.http://www.usaraceway.net/schedule/ . Or http://www.thunderraceway.com/.. Both USA and Canyon run regular sprint cars shows, both winged and non winged sprinters...Canyon not only has the ASCA Southwest Championship race for both the winged and non winged cars this year in a 2 day show October 21st and 22nd, the also have a 2 day 410 USAC show (out of state group) the following weekend.
I'm sorry Kim, but Thunder raceway is not even close to "the best quality track in AZ",and though many like the little bull ring (I do) I have no idea why you would say such a thing.
Ken Clever

If anyone wants to know what's happening in open wheeled racing in AZ, go here..http://www.abcmotorsports.com/


LOL SOLD!!!!! Kenny just sold the %$^& out of you! Boom, outa here! Im sorry Kimmy but I did spend a few hours with good ol Kenny not too long ago and I can say that this man is an official OPEN WHEEL racing HARD ASS and or GURU whichever you want. Just dont call them sprint cars haha! Get em Kenny!!!!!!
Kenny
Mexico Joe said:
LOL SOLD!!!!! Kenny just sold the %$^& out of you! Boom, outa here! Im sorry Kimmy but I did spend a few hours with good ol Kenny not too long ago and I can say that this man is an official OPEN WHEEL racing HARD ASS and or GURU whichever you want. Just dont call them sprint cars haha! Get em Kenny!!!!!!

I'm certainly not against this deal Joe, but if your going to represent the people who are trying to put this thing together it's best to know what you're talking about, and be above board on how you sell the thing. If Bob is able to sell this deal to the ASCA (Kevin Montgomery & Benji) they might have a chance, but we can't even get most of those boy's in their non wing Canyon division to show up at the new track outside of Phoenix near Apache Junction because it's not a ASCS sactioned race.
rockyptjoe
RP Kim...what they going to do for fuel? The mexican customs sure as hell aren't going to let them thru the border....at least not without some kind of duty???

That's one of the major concerns the jetski racers have for coming to Penasco to do any races....many run 109 octane, and they were always hassled at the border. You now have the new airport with aviation gas and jet fuel...but they won't sell to you unless you have a plane....not like the airports in the Phoenix area (Glendale, Deer Valley).....
Kenny
rockyptjoe said:
RP Kim...what they going to do for fuel? The mexican customs sure as hell aren't going to let them thru the border....at least not without some kind of duty???

That's one of the major concerns the jetski racers have for coming to Penasco to do any races....many run 109 octane, and they were always hassled at the border. You now have the new airport with aviation gas and jet fuel...but they won't sell to you unless you have a plane....not like the airports in the Phoenix area (Glendale, Deer Valley).....

All I know about that is that the big $ sanctioning body's like formula one and NASCAR have been able to get the type fuel they need while running in Mexico. Personally I think that's the least of their worries.
rockyptjoe
I guess money talks everywhere....
playaperro
Why you kids so negative, lighten up, its going to happen!
Mexico Joe
I dont think fuel is the issue here. SCORE isnt as big as FORM1 and Nascar and they dont have any issues.
mexicoruss
The track was laid out last week. Clay is coming this week for the construction of the track. Equipment has been coming in for the last couple of days. Lucas is a major sponsor. I will post pics later as the track is being developed. I will also post the names of the drivers coming as I get them.
Landshark
I think the safety of the driver's, pit crew, and spectators should be the primary concern. Will the track itself be safe? Will the inner and outer walls be properly constructed to assure everyone's safety? Sprint cars are fast as hell and things can and will go wrong. Will there be well trained and equipped medical personal on-sight? If air evac is necessary, will it arrive in time? Safety always needs to be a top priority.
mexicoruss
Landshark said:
I think the safety of the driver's, pit crew, and spectators should be the primary concern. Will the track itself be safe? Will the inner and outer walls be properly constructed to assure everyone's safety? Sprint cars are fast as hell and things can and will go wrong. Will there be well trained and equipped medical personal on-sight? If air evac is necessary, will it arrive in time? Safety always needs to be a top priority.


This thing is being assembled as if it was in the States all of those concerns have already been addressed but you are right safety is of utmost concern - the guy knows how to do it.

From the stands you will be able to look down into the pits which will be really cool. I will keep you posted
rockyptjoe
mexicoruss said:
This thing is being assembled as if it was in the States all of those concerns have already been addressed but you are right safety is of utmost concern - the guy knows how to do it.

From the stands you will be able to look down into the pits which will be really cool. I will keep you posted


Russ...is there any way you can find out what they plan on doing about fuel? Are they bringing it down from the states? What are the arrangements for crossing the border? Or are they having someone deliver from Mexico?...etc., etc., etc.?????
playaperro
http://www.racegas.biz/
mexicoruss
rockyptjoe said:
Russ...is there any way you can find out what they plan on doing about fuel? Are they bringing it down from the states? What are the arrangements for crossing the border? Or are they having someone deliver from Mexico?...etc., etc., etc.?????


My last meet with Bob indicates all fuel is Sunoco and coming with the drivers in their trailers, since details like these are "fluid" they are apt to change. The plan right now is that authorization will come for the drivers with the "Thunder on the Beach" window stickers will be allowed their personal use of Methanol.

Border crossing issue should be pretty smooth. We are working on a manifest type solution to this and I am confident that it will be no problem.

The city and the State are 100% behind this program. No naysayers here just us cheerleaders.......
Kenny
mexicoruss said:
The track was laid out last week. Clay is coming this week for the construction of the track. Equipment has been coming in for the last couple of days. Lucas is a major sponsor. I will post pics later as the track is being developed. I will also post the names of the drivers coming as I get them.

Keep us posted Russ... Yes Lucas is a big sponsor of all kinds of racing, but you also need a sanctioning body and all that comes with it. Do you have a group in the states that's going to sanction it?

Good post Landshark.
mexicoruss
Kenny said:
Keep us posted Russ... Yes Lucas is a big sponsor of all kinds of racing, but you also need a sanctioning body and all that comes with it. Do you have a group in the states that's going to sanction it?

Good post Landshark.


I have a meet with Bob tomorrow and I will find out what the scoop is on the sanctioning body and all it entails. I will post my findings here later tomorrow or Thursday. Photos to follow
AZ ROB
Border crossing issue should be pretty smooth. We are working on a manifest type solution to this and I am confident that it will be no problem.

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I know how that works Russ I still have an Enclosed Trailer full of computers and Medical supplies from when we had the manifest and letters from the Mayor of Penasco. but I hope it works out for the drivers and teams.
Roberto
mexicoruss said:
My last meet with Bob indicates all fuel is Sunoco and coming with the drivers in their trailers, since details like these are "fluid" they are apt to change. The plan right now is that authorization will come for the drivers with the "Thunder on the Beach" window stickers will be allowed their personal use of Methanol.

Border crossing issue should be pretty smooth. We are working on a manifest type solution to this and I am confident that it will be no problem.

The city and the State are 100% behind this program. No naysayers here just us cheerleaders.......


Don' t you have the issue that the ADUANA is Federal and not local or state ??
mexicoruss
The comment about the city and the State is just out there to clarify to anyone who may be interested that the city of Penasco and the State of Sonora are behind the program (Thunder on the beach) and will assist in any way that they can.

The Fuel ordeal is a Federal concern we understand that. In that area we are working with the Federal Government through the Aduana office to clarify their needs and concerns.

We do not pretend to know everything, but we feel we are going through the right channels to make sure this happens correctly. There are answers for most of the challenges, the tricky part is to find out who can give you authority and get it in writing.

Good things take a lot of work, and I feel this is a good thing.
mexicoruss
The clay and dirt are being excavated right now, the track construction is set for Saturday Morning to start. It will take a few days to get it down but I will try and have photos of the progress as it goes along. I will be out there early Saturday morning then again in the afternoon after Rocky Point Ramblings, oh yeah that reminds me you can listen in anywhere by clicking here Rocky Point Ramblings
Kenny
mexicoruss said:
The clay and dirt are being excavated right now, the track construction is set for Saturday Morning to start. It will take a few days to get it down but I will try and have photos of the progress as it goes along. I will be out there early Saturday morning then again in the afternoon after Rocky Point Ramblings, oh yeah that reminds me you can listen in anywhere by clicking here Rocky Point Ramblings

I'm heading over to S Cal Saturday for a big sprint car race Russ, can I tell them the track work has started? What about what you posted above and below on the 19th?
I have a meet with Bob tomorrow and I will find out what the scoop is on the sanctioning body and all it entails. I will post my findings here later tomorrow or Thursday. Photos to follow

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Kenny

:sunny:[COLOR=#417394]Just a guy trying to do the right thing[/COLOR]
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The right thing would have been to at least acknowledge my questions Russ.
Kenny
This thread you started has has 3,568 hits Russ, and for myself any news would not only be appreciated, but the right thing to do.
Jim
I can tell you that Sonoran Resorts will be one of the sponsors.
Kenny
Jim said:
I can tell you that Sonoran Resorts will be one of the sponsors.

I think I read where you guy's were going to have some give aways as incentives, but just what are they going to sponsor, and when? Russ is treating this thread as if was a hot potato, and he never started it.
rockyptjoe
I've been asking questions on here concerning the fuel "issue" too....and that is a HUGE ISSUE. Just heard back from the city that they can't get fuel (aviation gas) from the airport.....so for a jetski race, the racers would have to haul theirs in too.

So Russ.....how is it being resolved for this event....you've mentioned working with the Aduana?????????????????????
sbulmer
I am confusing which type of racing? please discuss detail.
mexicoruss
If we have a problem with Lukeville with the fuel I have a contact in San Diego that distributes race fuels to Mexico. The drums of Methanol are already sitting in Tijuana imported and all. Fuel will not be a problem.
Sonoran resorts is a major sponsor of the event as well as Playa Bonita Resorts and Sandy Beach Resorts since the race will be held out on the Sandy Beach area it will be a major boost in activity for these operators we are glad they are onboard. The new office will be open this week for Thunder on the beach. It will be right on Sandy Beach road as you are heading toward Las Palomas. Signing will be up next week but the office should be operational by the end of this week. If you are in town stop by. I have some pics to post of the operations and will get them up soon.
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Esperanza
Gee Russ, I think they are REALLY EXCITED about the Racing! That's good thing!! :-)
playaperro
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty"
rockyptjoe
Hey Russ....could you get me the name/number of your fuels guy??? We're talking aviation gas (109+ octane).

You know darn well that any kind of arrangements you could have with the customs people at the border are as good as the person/AND time you discussed it. It can change 5 minutes from now!
Kenny
mexicoruss said:
If we have a problem with Lukeville with the fuel I have a contact in San Diego that distributes race fuels to Mexico. The drums of Methanol are already sitting in Tijuana imported and all. Fuel will not be a problem.
Sonoran resorts is a major sponsor of the event as well as Playa Bonita Resorts and Sandy Beach Resorts since the race will be held out on the Sandy Beach area it will be a major boost in activity for these operators we are glad they are onboard. The new office will be open this week for Thunder on the beach. It will be right on Sandy Beach road as you are heading toward Las Palomas. Signing will be up next week but the office should be operational by the end of this week. If you are in town stop by. I have some pics to post of the operations and will get them up soon.

I knew darn well that the racers were NOT going to be hauling down their own fuel as you previously posted, but I also know that that's the least of Bob's and who ever else's worries.
This is all so very familiar to me and others on this forum..You'll have a "operational" office and and some signage soon. You even have a poster with unauthorized pictures on it. That's all just fine and dandy Russ, but I think you might just have left a few things out. What about the track just for starter's, and who's going to be sanctioning the sprint cars etc? If you don't have a organization from the states to sanction those sprint car races it won't happen, period. If you think those guy's will haul down to Mexico on Bob's good name and a few extra bucks, you guy's are living in La La land. I'm not talking about sponsors Russ, I'm talking about who's going to sanction and run the show, and where's the track?
Kenny

We're talking aviation gas (109+ octane).



You're talking aviation fuel, we're talking Methanol racing fuel.
mexicoruss
Kenny said:
I knew darn well that the racers were NOT going to be hauling down their own fuel as you previously posted, but I also know that that's the least of Bob's and who ever else's worries.
This is all so very familiar to me and others on this forum..You'll have a "operational" office and and some signage soon. You even have a poster with unauthorized pictures on it. That's all just fine and dandy Russ, but I think you might just have left a few things out. What about the track just for starter's, and who's going to be sanctioning the sprint cars etc? If you don't have a organization from the states to sanction those sprint car races it won't happen, period. If you think those guy's will haul down to Mexico on Bob's good name and a few extra bucks, you guy's are living in La La land. I'm not talking about sponsors Russ. who's going to sanction and run the show, and where's the track?



Based on what you have said then I guess we should just give up?? Homey dont play that game. There are many pieces to every puzzle (challenge) we are putting them in place one by one. Maybe I am living in la la land, time will tell. I will continue to do what I have been commissioned to do until someone with authority tells me to quit. Otherwise it is full steam ahead or ramming speed or whatever else cute thing you want to say to show commitment to a product! :-?:blah:
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rockyptjoe
Kenny said:
You're talking aviation fuel, we're talking Methanol racing fuel.


Kenny....I know what you're talking about for the sprint cars (or whatever you want to call them)...I'm talking AV gas for jetski racers! That's the info I've been trying to get for a while now...talking to the city....or asking on here!
mexicoruss
rockyptjoe said:
Kenny....I know what you're talking about for the sprint cars (or whatever you want to call them)...I'm talking AV gas for jetski racers! That's the info I've been trying to get for a while now...talking to the city....or asking on here!



You can get that here too. No problem. I will send you a hook up on the San Diego supplier later
Kenny
mexicoruss said:
Based on what you have said then I guess we should just give up?? Homey dont play that game. There are many pieces to every puzzle (challenge) we are putting them in place one by one. Maybe I am living in la la land, time will tell. I will continue to do what I have been commissioned to do until someone with authority tells me to quit. Otherwise it is full steam ahead.or ramming speed or whatever else cute thing you want to say to show commitment to a product!

I started putting this deal out there to the dirt track racing community, not only here in AZ and Cali, but also nationally shortly after you first started this thread, but I only have what you have given me to go on... Sign's, posters, and a office without something to show for it is all to familiar in Rocky Point Russ.

The questions I'm asking are core questions about this deal, and not one trick question in the bunch. Now if someone wants to pay you for not knowing what's going on...more power to ya.

Kenny
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Kenny

I'm talking AV gas for jetski racers!

I know that. Yes, some race cars use high octane fuel, and so do jetski racers, but it's hardly a big problem, and nothing new.
rockyptjoe
Kenny...the availability in Penasco IS a problem. For endurance races (long distance) we're talking 50-100 gallons per ski...depending on the length of the race. I can just see them trying to bring 2 barrels over the border.....
rockyptjoe
mexicoruss said:
You can get that here too. No problem. I will send you a hook up on the San Diego supplier later


Russ...are you saying that there is a supplier of av gas (109+ octane) in Penasco????? I know it's available at the new airport....but the city told me that it isn't available unless you're buying it for a plane.
Kenny
rockyptjoe said:
Kenny...the availability in Penasco IS a problem. For endurance races (long distance) we're talking 50-100 gallons per ski...depending on the length of the race. I can just see them trying to bring 2 barrels over the border.....

You need to get who ever heads up this group ( sanctioning body?) you're talking about to contact some of the other groups of people who have done it in the past to find out how the made it work for them... Hell no, you are not going to be hauling barrels of high octane fuel across the Sonora desert.
rockyptjoe
Kenny...that's the problem...they didn't make it work years ago....one of the reasons why they stopped doing it...even before the "cartel violence" mania scared them off.
mexicoruss
Why would you have to haul it across from AZ when it is available in Mexico? And yes all octane grades are available for the TJ outlet If it is a big enough event they will be sure to get it here for you plus may even sponsor the event to bring more awareness to what they do.