I was just looking at the tide charts for Novermber...the 24-26th have some decent high tides (20+ ft. above mean low water), occurring between 1-3am with a new moon.....would be interesting to see what "could" happen to the wreck then! I wonder if it will float????
Walked around the wreck, up close this afternoon. I could have walked right inside. There is no disassembly going on. There is nothing apparent leaking out of the hulk. Approaching down wind there was a whiff of publilc toilet on the breeze. There are three braces along the seaward side as if to prevent the thing from rolling over more on its side. Someone has recently gone around the hull and filled some openings with foam insulating stuff, the yellow stuff that expands. The rudders appear intact, not obviously bent or disconnected. The propellors are both completely ruined, bent as if they ran across rocks but they are brass and are a tempting target for the copper thieves I'm sure. The hulk is surrounded with some material apparently to contain any leakage. There are several ropes attached, but very small, as is the mini anchor. The small ropes might be useful in hauling a larger line to attach but not much else. All in all looks like little has been done.
Not taking any bets on this one let me do calculation on how long it will take for the metals to break down being that close to the salt water. I am suprised the props are still there that is a few hundred bucks on scrap value.
Whats the over/under on how long this thing sits on the beach? Any takers? We can parlay it with a side bet on how quick the Malecon gets finished.
Yeah, I was going to reply to Roberto's comment, "Looks like very little has been done," with, "Well OF COURSE, all the city workers are swarming on the Malecon construction! Oh, wait, uh...never mind." I keeed, I keeed. Sounds like they are kicking it up a notch on the Malecona, at least this week, working past sunset.
you're going to need a couple shrimp boats to pull that hulk to deeper water....hopefully she is not holed enough to sink right when she starts to float.
They may sink it, but I doubt it. Its still somebodies personal property and besides they would probably have to do an environmental impact study to sink it, now when we want even to clear a lot or build near the ocean, we have to pull a permit for an impact study. Its probably headed to the boat yard.
They will send it to the boat yard weld on some patches slapp on some new paint and have it ready for the spring breakers. Impact study would take to long and the cleaning of the boat would cost to much money.
The article i read, the captain of the port said it was seaworthy, I dont believe it, but there is a chance you will see it being repaired, if the rudder really was the problem. I bet they lost power, Roberto said the rudder looked ok.
The article i read, the captain of the port said it was seaworthy, I dont believe it, but there is a chance you will see it being repaired, if the rudder really was the problem. I bet they lost power, Roberto said the rudder looked ok.
The article i read, the captain of the port said it was seaworthy, I dont believe it, but there is a chance you will see it being repaired, if the rudder really was the problem. I bet they lost power, Roberto said the rudder looked ok.
When I was down there I met a guy who said he was on the boat when it happened. He said one engine was running but the capt. could not steer the boat. Sounds like the controls between the wheel and the rudders failed. Maybe cable or hydraulic ?
They can turn the diesels on that boat into bilge pumps... That's a shame it was taking on so much water... that is such a nice boat... I hope Mike can laminate that hull and get it seaworthy again...
De Frente is reporting the fine for Sherman, owner of the Fiesta Cruiser to be between 1,100,000.00 and 2,750,000.00 peso's (ouch) for pollution. That is a good chunk of money.
And more regarding the boat from the same author, from today, apparently to be published in Friday's print edition. Would appreciate someone giving a summary in English that works better than Google Translate. Thanks!
I think Defrente has an English button on it's site. Lagrimas is going to look on numero uno to see if they have the article up. They have an English button for sure.
De Frente reported at first he was arrested, Does anybody know where to buy Soap On A Rope in Rocky Point? If not can I cross the border with it, if I buy it from Avon?
I know this is somewhat off topic but since when is Mexico concerned about the environment?! Lol Some diesel fuel spills out and this guy gets hit hard with fines but its ok for everyone and their brother to dump ~~~MIERDA~~~ in Cholla Bay. Diapers, cans, bottles, tires, you name it, Ive seen it in Cholla Bay. On a more positive note, its nice to see in that picture that PP has taken the measure of placing trash cans on the beach at playa bonita. Now thats ~~~PRO~~~!!! Trash cans from The Reef all the way down to Playa del Sol is a big step to help clean up the beach a little. Not too long ago I saw for the first time in my life a MEXICAN picking up trash in CHOLLA BAY. I told the guy Id never seen a Mexican picking up trash before and he said its because he lives in Cholla Bay. Pretty ~~~PRO~~~ if you ask me...
Yesterday I submitted a thread attempting to clarify the cause of death, by the coroner, of the lady on board the fiesta cruiser. Which,by the way, was drowning, not cardiac arrest. And my thread was not posted. I'm wondering why. Is the truth no longer considered an issue in public forums??? geolizard142
Yesterday I submitted a thread attempting to clarify the cause of death, by the coroner, of the lady on board the fiesta cruiser. Which,by the way, was drowning, not cardiac arrest. And my thread was not posted. I'm wondering why. Is the truth no longer considered an issue in public forums??? geolizard142
I'm betting those pesky commie Liberals have hacked the site and blocked the info. Obama is behind all this. Actually, repost it, may have happened because you are new. I have sometimes forgotten to click the "Post Quick Reply" button below also. Of course I always blame the right winger Stuart for blocking my posts !!:crybaby::crybaby:
Just joking !! Repost and I'll bet it appears. We have not had that kind of censorship here. Stu is not all bad !!
How did Dick arrive at the conclusion that the woman had a heart attack? And what credentials does he have to make such a determination through his own observation,if that were the case? The coroner has a different opinion and heart attack is not mentioned. geolizard142
How did Dick arrive at the conclusion that the woman had a heart attack? And what credentials does he have to make such a determination through his own observation,if that were the case? The coroner has a different opinion and heart attack is not mentioned. geolizard142
I don't see anything in your post that would make anyone think this was anything but a rumor coming from a stranger with just a couple of posts. Where's the names, and some documented facts?
I believe I've read just about every thread or article available. And thank all of you for your genuine concern on the passing of my mother. The overall picture I get from the comments is of unsafe and negligent behavior by the owner of the vessel. I deeply urge you good people of Rocky Point to help stand against the influences of people who promote your area under a guise of false pretenses. This will ultimately be your result if he's not made accountable for his actions. My mom lived there for 41 years as much as she did her U. S. residence. We will all miss her,dearly. Take care and God Bless. Charles Fought
I would like to apologize for not looking harder to see that my thread was indeed posted. I jumped a little too fast to the wrong conclusion. Not to make excuses,but I'm a bit of an emotional disaster right now. I hope you'll except my apology. geolizard142
Your explanation of what occurred at the time of the accident is a little confusing. Why were the passengers removed from the ship by the Navy. If the ship was so close to shore, why would there not be any rescue units deployed? The crew obviously had no clue how to handle the emergency situation. There was no logical explanation for the captain to leave dock at any time. The storm warnings were issued long before they set sail...... obviously they were ignored....Why? $$$$ Pesos will never replace the life that was lost....Why was the 80 year woman not one of the first passengers removed from the boat by the Navy???? Women & infants first????? Let alone the elder....
Thank you, seadweller, I couldn't have said it better myself. To push a boat, shall I say, of less than normal merits in adverse conditions when the harbor had been closed is pure wreck less endangerment and than see a person lose their life is not accusable and intolerable! geolizard142
Your explanation of what occurred at the time of the accident is a little confusing. Why were the passengers removed from the ship by the Navy. If the ship was so close to shore, why would there not be any rescue units deployed? The crew obviously had no clue how to handle the emergency situation. There was no logical explanation for the captain to leave dock at any time. The storm warnings were issued long before they set sail...... obviously they were ignored....Why? $$$$ Pesos will never replace the life that was lost....Why was the 80 year woman not one of the first passengers removed from the boat by the Navy???? Women & infants first????? Let alone the elder....
First off, I'm deeply sorry for your loss. I lost my father unexpectedly 3 years ago this week, and it still effects me. Regarding your question about the elderly, someone had earlier mentioned that this was an older-age club of some sorts going on this particular night, and that most of the passengers were older as well. Can anyone else confirm or refute this?
And yes, what a terrible tragedy motivated by greed, even after the recent incident in San Filepe when the ship's captain was told not to set sail and several lives were lost.
Geo142, if you click on the "Reply with Quote" tab on the post you want to respond to, not the Reply tab, the contents of that post will appear in your response and we will know what you are referring to. Thanks!
There is one other issue that is unclear to me. It was stated at one point that the Captain of the ship never appeared to sail that evening. So, who was the Captain? Was he self-appointed? Or was there a quick stand-in Captain available for the owner to appoint in charge of his ship? Or did the owner,himself, assume the captain's position? The thread stated that the Captain and the owner were jailed. Or were they one and the same? Food for thought. Can anyone provide the factual information to clarify this for us????? geolizard142
Don't know the laws in Mexico, but in the states, you have to be a licensed "captain" to take "passengers for hire"... and the requirement is pretty stringent...I read somewhere that the owner is American...does Mexico even license non-mexicans as a "captain"???
If it's the same guy I'm thinking of, he looked, talked and seemed like he was an American. At the end of May, we went for a sunset cruise on the Fiesta, and he said he was the new owner, that he had purchased another boat which was going to San Carlos to do sunset cruises as well.
If it's the same guy I'm thinking of, he looked, talked and seemed like he was an American. At the end of May, we went for a sunset cruise on the Fiesta, and he said he was the new owner, that he had purchased another boat which was going to San Carlos to do sunset cruises as well.
He is the owner and indeed American, and he took it upon himself to captain the boat that evening, when the true captain didn't or couldn't show up.. I have been told that he has done this numerous times in the past.
Once again I would like to express the "need" for justice against this boat owner. The man willfully and knowingly lead 44 passengers into a horrifying nightmare and left one,very special lady, without her life. And rumor has it he"s out and about,already. That"s also the reason it will continue to happen again. Until someone or someplace stops him and makes him accountable for his negligence, he will continue on his path of mayhem.
I think it's safe to say that we all agree with you. However, you must go to PP police station and raise he**.
Tell them you will them bad publicity. That you will make it known that tourist aren't safe and criminals go unpunished. I guess before you do that, you know need to find out what the pd "report" says. What are "their facts". It seems to me there's lots of speculation on this thread, but we're not really certain of what the official report from PPPD is.
If you went on a quest for justice, I would surely back you up and sign a petition or anything that may be needed. I certainly don't want Sherman or any other "Captain" to put my family or anyone else in danger. It would help teach a lesson to others if this man was held accountable.
There is nothing good about this situation. Yes there is a need for justice. If there were criminal laws broken the Mexican DA will have to move on it. Independent of that, as in the US, one can file a civil suite here in Mexico. If the owner is a US citizen or has assets in the US you might be able to go after those assets in the US as well. I have a Mexican friend here who did that and got a judgement but as usual could find no assets to take. As always, the legal route is long and twisted not to mention expensive. In the US , there would be an insurance company involved, wonder if there is one in this situation.
I do not think the Puerto Penasco Police are the ones to approach. Approaching the US consulate is probably a good idea. Yes there is a lot of speculation here.
We US citizens who have no direct involvement cannot do too much without creating a potential hazard for ourselves. EVen signing a petition could cause you as a non-citizen a problem.
You know, I'm simply amazed and bewildered to see the captain(owner) was briefly detained. I certainly hope it did not inconvenience him in any way. I mean,a man of his stature and dignity should not be burdened with such mundane, trivial occurrences. A boat washed up on shore, a little fuel in the water,putting human lives in danger,a death on a negligent decision,he must be thinking "big deal","all in a day"s work". "why do they think I live down here,because I can get away with it!"
There hasn't been a word in the Phx media about the incident which I think is rather strange seeing as they jump all over any bad news from Rocky Point
In this case....the assistant captain of the ferry as well as the director of the Staten Island Ferry operations went to jail for manslaughter. But this is the US....not Mexico.....:stir:
There hasn't been a word in the Phx media about the incident which I think is rather strange seeing as they jump all over any bad news from Rocky Point
Nothing in Tucson either, it is quite odd. Shows you the residual effect of buying extra media time, i.e. the Sonoran billboards, newspaper and TV ads. You won't ever see any Jim Click scandal, for example, that guy pretty much keeps the ad departments in business, which often trump the editorial staff.
Well, they have been working on the boat. It was originally tilted down side toward the sea. It now sits fairly level. A large number of sand bags are now hanging off the shore side along with a long heavy pipe dangling sand bags. Could see sand bags inside on the deck on that side also. The seaward side has a series of wood braces and 'legs' welded to the botttom, out at an angle to brace the thing. The brass props are gone.
I have a home in Tucson and have been away from some time due to my work. Can you tell me anything about the Jim Click issue? I am curious as I was not too happy with my last two car purchases there.
FYI, Sherman (Fiesta Cruiser) has been spotted working on the triple decker, Carnival Tour Boat. I had heard he bought it and apparently its true. He must not have too many problems over the beaching of the Fiesta, cause he is back at it. The Carnival is the boat that got stuck in forward gear and plowed into 3 or 4 shrimp boats.
I'd like to make one more statement regarding this travesty. Setting aside all the rumors and misunderstandings, the facts remain. The man set sail in a closed harbor. He assumed the Captain"s position on an evening cruise ship. Immediately,became beached on a sandbar and beat-up the prop or props on the sand and rocks in an attempt to save face,instead of unloading passengers. When he broke free,he had no steering control and was at the mercy of the rough sea and prevailing winds. He did not have the safety equipment he brags about in his "best boat in Rocky Point" ad. The passengers were terrified and somehow my mother lost her life. Those are pretty much the indisputable facts. Was there even an investigation? And now you tell me the man at the helm is footloose and fancy free! I'm sorry but that does not rest well on me in the U.S. or any other country for that matter!
He-Sherman should not be allowed to walk on a boat,let alone work on one. I'm sorry but my bitterness runs deep. He should be working on a chain-gang!!!!!
today at 11.30 pm They will try to pull the fiesta to the ship yard. 5m high tide. if doesnt happen tomorrow will be, strong wind and that can make not easy to pull it tomorrow. I thin last chance is till Sunday.
today at 11.30 pm They will try to pull the fiesta to the ship yard. 5m high tide. if doesnt happen tomorrow will be, strong wind and that can make not easy to pull it tomorrow. I thin last chance is till Sunday.
Just heard from a friend who was told he needed to move his boat, that they will be moving it at 11:30pm tonight... also heard other reports that it is going to be cut up for scrap and not allowed to go back into service....
Click broke his shoulder,a couple ribs and punctured a lung this morning biking down Catalina highway on his bicycle (hit a rock) Just goes to show that pirates should never ride bikes...
reportjones said:
I have a home in Tucson and have been away from some time due to my work. Can you tell me anything about the Jim Click issue? I am curious as I was not too happy with my last two car purchases there.
just got home... I went down to see if they would tow the fiesta away... as of 1:00am the tide was high and the boat was afloat but no one there to tow it away... there were 2 or 3 people on board the fiesta with flashlights, they got there about 10:45pm...
several vehicles stopped on top of the hill and shined their headlights down on the fiesta and then drove off... a couple of people walked down because they also thought it was going to be moved, one of them, an elderly american gentleman named Jim who has been in Rocky Point for about a week stayed and we talked until 1:00am, at that time it was getting pretty chilly, so we decided to head out...
If you ask me, I would say that it is a total disgrace to even think that pathetic bucket of rust might go back into the business of endangering the lives of innocent people. It's just a shame that the local authorities don't show any backbone and enforce the law. This will do more to hinder tourist from going to this area and ironically it's in an effort to protect a tourist promoter who could care less about tourists. "Oh, what a wicked web we weave.................." Or maybe the greedy leading the greedy!!!!!
They weren't able to pull it off on Thursday night...the water was too rough.....were planning to do it the next night...anyone know if they were successful???
I was there Wednesday and Thursday nights (Turs. and Fri. mornings)... each night the tides were high enough to float that boat (I said boat because rust bucket didn't rhyme) I actually saw it bobbing up and down from bow to stern due to the waves, it was completely off the bottom...
My amigo who owns a bigger boat in port that needs to be moved every night they say that they are moving the fiesta is getting tired of wasting his time and diesel moving his boat and they do nothing with this scow... makes you wonder who's running this show..?
Here I go again. You see a situation here where the boat won't be towed because of rough waters. Why is that a factor to a controlling agent, who will brave the rough waters with 44 passengers aboard? Even with the harbor closed, this person showed no fear. Only lost one life. He must have been in the right or he would, surely, have been reprimanded by authorities. No doubt, a legendary sailor of our own times!!
Losing the tide this weekend....it will probably be there another month or so!
An article, I read last week said repairs were being made where the boat sat, so maybe they are going to float it under it's own power. We all read the captain of the port said it was sea worthy, wouldn't it in his opinion still be, if its just a rudder cable, that snapped when he hit the sand bar. Out of town shrimp boats always hit the sandbar, when they pull into port, the entire northwest entry into the port is a sand bar at low tide. But when anybody else hits it they are smart enough to sit and wait for high tide and float off of the sand bar, usually with no damage.
Bill...I got up close to it last week...if he means within about a quarter mile of shore...yeah, it may be seaworthy...I wouldn't get on that heap any further!
Russ Been there Done that, This was the first time I had ever been on the Cruiser. This thing is in need of a good sinking. Scared me just walking on the deck The floor between the decks was completely eaten away.
Regardless of what they do with the boat, the fact that it was involved in claiming an innocent life should never be forgotten. I walked down and looked at the ship several times last week. I can only imagine the sheer terror some must have felt the night it went to land. It is such a shame that someone had to lose their life.
Rosie and Russ mentioned on Rocky Point Ramblings this weekend that another one of the passengers, who had previously suffered from a stroke, had yet another stroke shortly after the Fiesta Cruiser wreck. She didn't come right out and blame it on that night but I'm sure it didn't help. Does anyone else have some information on this gentleman? He was able to function on his own prior to this last stroke, but is now being taken care of in Phoenix. He's not able to get back to Penasco until he can find someone who is qualified to be his permanent care-giver. She may have already started a separate thread on this and I missed it, but if you know someone who would be able to help, I'm sure you could just contact Rosie on here to get more information.
The word out is that Sherman has a new boat in port... this is kinda like same PooP different day...
I take that back... it is not in port, I just went and checked... but I did see something about a new boat on the fiestas website and I have heard others who have been in the boating business here in Rocky Point for a long time say that he is getting another boat...
I take that back... it is not in port, I just went and checked... but I did see something about a new boat on the fiestas website and I have heard others who have been in the boating business here in Rocky Point for a long time say that he is getting another boat...
This picture shows the Fiesta Cruiser when she was called the Starlet ll working in the waters of Honolulu Hawaii. Shown in the background is Honolulu with the natives in their dugouts approaching the tour boats.
The Fiesta Cruiser was built in New York then was sailed past the Florida Keys through the Panama Canal to Honolulu Hawaii. Two other fishermen and I made the trip from Hawaii to Puerto Peñasco. The winds were manageable varying 15-55 miles an hour.
I saw that thing sitting on the shore in the ship yard and wondered what it was all about. Sort of the glass bottom boat I guess. Well run, might be a good addition. Poorly run another disaster waiting to happen.
I guess I didn't look hard enough... I was just talking with one of my buddies from la bajada (the ramp) and he told me that Sherman does have another boat here... it's named Los Cabos and from what others have been saying it looks like a converted shrimp boat... I'll try to get photos tomorrow...
Roberto... only time will tell about that eco-viewing platform... if it isn't maintained properly it turn into a rust bucket as well...
