A new spin on an old proverb...

It used to be that if you "Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for life..."

Nowadays, it's more like:

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and he will spend the day on a boat drinking beer"

You forgot about the Cigar smoking

Is there something wrong with that?????????????

asprinkles said:

Is there something wrong with that?????????????

Of course not.... Why do you think I own a boat myself ? :)

Geez... he says it like it's a bad thing! Me, friends, boat, Pacifico... fish are a bonus!! Hahahahah!

wait - shouldn't it be "..... teach a man to fish and he will be taxed to provide for the 50% who do not fish."

Judge Judy and your tax money

Judge Judy - This Is Who We Are Supporting With Taxes - YouTube $70,000 to teach this kid to fish.

SunDevil said:

wait - shouldn't it be "..... teach a man to fish and he will be taxed to provide for the 50% who do not fish."

see this is the way a fun thread like this goes to crap...Some Jan Brewer fan (most likely inherited his money) decides to make political points.... American kids are all pretty stupid compared to socialist Europe's kids....just a fact....

jerry said:

see this is the way a fun thread like this goes to crap...Some Jan Brewer fan (most likely inherited his money) decides to make political points.... American kids are all pretty stupid compared to socialist Europe's kids....just a fact....

pot calling the kettle????...... :rofl::stir:

jerry said:

see this is the way a fun thread like this goes to crap...BS alert...Here we go with the typical liberal response...Some Jan Brewer fan (most likely inherited his money)subtly implied insult ie; we know better than you... decides to make political points.... see how he does this...he may not know himself...American kids are all pretty stupid compared to socialist Europe's kids....just a fact....combination of implied insult and changing the subject. This is where he drops the ball.... Next will be changing the subject some more followed by more insults, no real facts to back anything up, mind you...then going away.

Oh, I almost forgot... this is also where the others pile in.

jerry said:

see this is the way a fun thread like this goes to crap...Some Jan Brewer fan (most likely inherited his money) decides to make political points.... American kids are all pretty stupid compared to socialist Europe's kids....just a fact....

Wait, maybe it should be "..... teach a liberal monkey to pick his butt and ....... that is exactly what he will do all day long."

This middle aged American kid is smart enough to know that this country has a serious problem when 50% of US citizens have ZERO federal tax liability (up from 20% back in 1980).

cholla said:

Oh, I almost forgot... this is also where the others pile in.

Ahh Happy Hour at Cholla's again......Not even going to try to erase the Fox news talking points from your brain.My point is the silent dog whistle talking point posted by the Sun Devil (hey how about those B-Ball devils!) being stuck into a nonpolitical thread is typical behavior among people that listen to excessive amount of toxic rightwing hate radio. Why bring Americas tax structure into a thread about a day at sea?

If Cholla could put two sentences together, he just might be a force to reckon with.:rofl:

Now as far as our new friend go's, I wonder how long he's been waiting to post that cute little saying, and if he'll be kind enough to share more of his astute observations of his siblings.:notme:.

OK wait...

At the risk of throwing more logs on the fire... SunDevil's point is NOT political. It is FACT. The total tax burden imposed on US Citizens by the federal government (which has been increasing steadily since 1971) is being paid by a increasing minority of middle and upper-middle class taxpayers.

This is not political... go look at the demographic data on the IRS website. It is right there in black and white.

The number of Americans "too poor" to pay taxes is rising much faster than the number of people "rich enough to get out of paying taxes by hiding behind corporations" , but the end result is the same - the people who are not rich enough to bribe/weasel/incorporate their way out of paying, but are rich enough not to be in poverty, are picking up the tab for EVERYONE...

fact, not politics.

Since I started this thread in the first place, I declare imminent domain over the right to hijack it and send down another set of tracks... :)

jerry said:

American kids are all pretty stupid compared to socialist Europe's kids....just a fact....

Facts are not debatable... however, your observation about American versus European kids is debatable... Therefore, it can not be a fact.

Modus Ponens. Google it.

moore_rb said:

Facts are not debatable... however, your observation about American versus European kids is debatable... Therefore, it can not be a fact.

Modus Ponens. Google it.

Maybe you're not paying attention, or you're just looking where you want to... Are you saying that this little jab is not political?

teach a liberal monkey to pick his butt and ....... that is exactly what he will do all day long."

His point may be factual, but his monkey business is political. This Monkey business is what our new friend posted first, at the top and up front. His "facts" are secondary, obviously.

The real problem is how many Americans are poor, not how much they pay in taxes.

Kenny said:

Maybe you're not paying attention, or you're just looking where you want to... Are you saying that this little jab is not political?

His point may be factual, but his monkey business is political. This Monkey business is what our new friend posted first, at the top and up front. His "facts" are secondary, obviously.

Hi Kenny-


Yes, I was looking elsewhere. I zeroed in on SunDevil's first post in this thread:

wait - shouldn't it be "..... teach a man to fish and he will be taxed to provide for the 50% who do not fish."

Which I did not think was political, and was followed by Jerry:

see this is the way a fun thread like this goes to crap...Some Jan Brewer fan (most likely inherited his money) decides to make political points.... American kids are all pretty stupid compared to socialist Europe's kids....just a fact....

Which I thought WAS political.

I think SunDevil stated a researchable fact about who pays what, and Jerry turned it political. (which is cool - I started the thread, and have offered my full blessing to a complete derailment of the original topic)

Sundevil's jab about monkeys certainly did not strengthen his first point about taxes, which could have stood on it's own merit.

Kenny said:

The real problem is how many Americans are poor, not how much they pay in taxes.

You and I are in 100% agreement on this point: although I would expand it to include the number of poor people on EARTH, not just the US.

However, It is my opinion that it is nobody's "responsibility" to make poor people more wealthy via government "redistribution", which is merely a fancy term for theft. Remember, Robin Hood was a thief... noble? perhaps, but a thief nonetheless.


I think it is the responsibility of all of us to make sure that everyone gets a fair and honest shot at reaching their greatest personal potential.
The rules of the game should favor no one. But, unfortunately in today's world they DO favor the people that are already the most comfortable... this is wrong in my opinion.

There ya go!.....

I think it is the responsibility of all of us to make sure that everyone gets a fair and honest shot at reaching their greatest personal potential.
The rules of the game should favor no one. But, unfortunately in today's world they DO favor the people that are already the most comfortable... this is wrong in my opinion.

There are times when after reading your post's I'd just as soon throw you overboard, but that there makes me just want to fish with ya.. Say when.:woo:

Kenny said:

If Cholla could put two sentences together, he just might be a force to reckon with.:rofl:

Now as far as our new friend go's, I wonder how long he's been waiting to post that cute little saying, and if he'll be kind enough to share more of his astute observations of his siblings.:notme:.

Oh, I almost forgot... this is also where the others pile in.

cholla said:

Oh, I almost forgot... this is also where the others pile in.

If Cholla could put two sentences together, he just might be a force to reckon with.:rofl:

Close, but no Banana.:cluck:

Moore RB Sez: I think it is the responsibility of all of us to make sure that everyone gets a fair and honest shot at reaching their greatest personal potential.
The rules of the game should favor no one. But, unfortunately in today's world they DO favor the people that are already the most comfortable... this is wrong in my opinion. OK, Moore RB for President !!

On an extension of this thinking what do y'all think about the WikiLeaks and Anonoymous recent activity. I'm fascinated by thieves uncovering thieves. That Stratfor stuff is absolutely wild and hopefully acationable legally. The govt is so stupid to be paying these windbags for redigested information they have generated in the first place.

I've looked at the going on's of this deal for awhile now, and I know I shouldn't be, but I'm amazed at the stupidity of the "Wannabe CIA"..... This is a good overview, and if you haven't seen this one Roberto, enjoy.
What do Coke, Goldman, the Marines, and the Knights of Columbus have in common? They all paid Stratfor to act as their own private intelligence agency.WikiLeaks Goes Inside Corporate America's Wannabe CIA | Mother Jones

The hackers stated that Stratfor was "clueless...when it comes to database security". The passwords were not encrypted[sup][12] and many of the passwords were simply the name of the company.[sup][11] The failure to encrypt the passwords was called "an embarrassing mistake for a company specializing in security"

Kenny said:

Close, but no Banana.:cluck:

No kenny,bananas are the other thread

Roberto said:

OK, Moore RB for President !!

Ummmmmm..... yeah, no thanks. :)

Roberto said:

On an extension of this thinking what do y'all think about the WikiLeaks and Anonoymous recent activity. I'm fascinated by thieves uncovering thieves. That Stratfor stuff is absolutely wild and hopefully acationable legally. The govt is so stupid to be paying these windbags for redigested information they have generated in the first place.

I personally think your last sentence sums it all up pretty nicely. Frankly, even if all of it is actionable legally, I would speculate that there would be no legal action taken. Agenda based Nepotism, favoritism and preferential treatment have compromised the rule of law quite completely in the US... The inmates are indeed running the asylum.


Regarding the point about thieves uncovering thieves... the only thing that was "stolen" was data, and data is nearly impossible to substantiate as real property when it travels over public wires (the Internet) to get from point A to point B. The Internet makes privacy and confidentiality as impossible to maintain as someone who who hangs their underwear on an open clothesline in their backyard, and then gets pissed when they catch their perverted next door neighbor out there taking pictures of it... :)

Don't hang your underwear outside if you don't want it to see the light of day...

Of coarse the new laws that are being considered for copy write infringement could change the way the interception of data is looked at as well.

moore_rb said:

Facts are not debatable... however, your observation about American versus European kids is debatable... Therefore, it can not be a fact.

Modus Ponens. Google it.

Academic Failure - International Test Scores - Poor TIMSS Results well we are kicking Cyprus but!!!!! see fact filled link...yum yum

Credit Union Membership Hits All-Time High As Americans Move Their Money From Big Banks | ThinkProgress right or left it is time to move the cash from the big banks that did us in

Kenny said:

Maybe you're not paying attention, or you're just looking where you want to... Are you saying that this little jab is not political?
His point may be factual, but his monkey business is political. This Monkey business is what our new friend posted first, at the top and up front. His "facts" are secondary, obviously.

The real problem is how many Americans are poor, not how much they pay in taxes.

There is a HUGE difference between not paying taxes and being poor. I know A LOT of people who do not pay taxes and by no means are poor. they might think they are poor but I find it hard to believe that someone with a big screen TV, premium package cable, high speed internet, laptop computer, smart phone with data package as being poor. they might be on welfare but they have plenty of money for what most of us would call luxuries in life including plenty of beer and cigerettes to go around.

jerry said:

Academic Failure - International Test Scores - Poor TIMSS Results well we are kicking Cyprus but!!!!! see fact filled link...yum yum

Hmmmm....

When I look at those results, what I see are the non-socialist zen buddhist Asians kicking EVERYONE's butt...

Note this little tidbit:

"some of the superior countries in grade 8 (especially the Asians) were not included in published 12th grade results. They do not need 12 grades."


But I don't think any argument with you on this topic is really warranted, Jerry... I am in full agreement that US Americans are, for the most part, completely deficient of spritual intellect. This is the unfortunate consequence of the complacency that arises out of decades of overt military dominance. We (US Americans) are, quite simply, spoiled children.

This is not a failing of the educational system in my opinion. It is the product of sloth. Education is not something a person is entitled too. It is (like most beneficial things) something that people must EARN.

If you fail to put in the effort, then you will fail to generate the benefit...

One of the section headings in Ray Cannon's book "The Sea of Cortez" (page 24) is titled: " Trabajo Means Travail"

Native Americans (native Mexicans) understand that reward can not come without struggle, or effort. I have always loved that philosophy.

Funny how all those nations have national health insurance plans too...."Native Americans (native Mexicans) understand that reward can not come without struggle, or effort. I have always loved that philosophy."
I live two miles from Apache pass...Native Americans Mangas and Cochise saw the world in a different way...none of this sissy assed peaceful native americans as hard working achieve crap, hell,they had a whole separate language for war..you work hard..they steal half your stuff...you work harder they take the rest.your women and your life

SunDevil said:

There is a HUGE difference between not paying taxes and being poor. I know A LOT of people who do not pay taxes and by no means are poor. they might think they are poor but I find it hard to believe that someone with a big screen TV, premium package cable, high speed internet, laptop computer, smart phone with data package as being poor. they might be on welfare but they have plenty of money for what most of us would call luxuries in life including plenty of beer and cigerettes to go around.

Maybe you need to just start start hanging out at a different bar, or better yet, move to a better neighborhood. Trust me, we know where you're coming from.

this guy needs to turn off Fox and watch more fishing shows...why the next thing we hear from him is all women that use birth control are sluts and should just put an aspirin between their legs...

Kenny said:

Maybe you need to just start start hanging out at a different bar, or better yet, move to a better neighborhood. Trust me, we know where you're coming from.

I thought this was a fishing forum

Well Ralph here's a leson for you. I was a Newbie once and it took me a while to learn it.

1) When the Ancients mention the name Fox News, you must raise your fingers in the form of a cross to ward off the evil spirits.

2) A thread is only allowed to stay on topic for a few minutes. After that it is fair game.

jerry said:

Funny how all those nations have national health insurance plans too...."Native Americans (native Mexicans) understand that reward can not come without struggle, or effort. I have always loved that philosophy."
I live two miles from Apache pass...Native Americans Mangas and Cochise saw the world in a different way...none of this sissy assed peaceful native americans as hard working achieve crap, hell,they had a whole separate language for war..you work hard..they steal half your stuff...you work harder they take the rest.your women and your life

Hmmm, so national health plans make smarter children... Got it. Moving right along....

What's wrong with war...? When a fight is justified (ie: the last option available when two parties can't reach a peaceful commercial accord) then take the gloves off and let the fists fly (metaphorically)

Legitimate war has nothing to do with imposing dominance over someone else. Legitimate war is about preserving the integrity of what you know to be right and just- it is about enforcing the sanctity of your beliefs. This is why we fought the Revolution. This is why we fought the war of 1812...

And it is why every US war since the war of 1812 (with the plausible exception of WWII) has been unjustified.

Calling the agressive, militant theft of someone else's resources (or women, or land) war is a linguistic mistake. War is the process of teaching the aggressor the error of their ways.

When a war is won, then aggression loses, and humanity benefits. When a war is lost, aggression wins and humanity loses. Get it?

Jerry- I often think you just like to take the other side of anyone else's point of view. I question whether you really even stand for anything yourself.

ralph g said:

I thought this was a fishing forum

Yeah, I'm surprised Stuart or Tyler haven't already moved this one to the "Off Topic" forum.... :)