Just had word from a traveller that all vehicle traffic bound to Penasco is being stopped at Sonoita. Word is that a large rainfall has flooded and washed out the road apparently right in Sonoita at the Pemex at the intersection. If you are waiting for people, as I am, it could be a long wait.
Not sure of the complete actual details. The road is closed for sure at this moment. No traffic is permitted to go and there is no other route to Penasco possible. One person said something about a dam breaking, might have been related to the constructions. Details will come out over some time. My guess is that it will take awhile to get the roadway cleared and traffic moving again
We are planning a lawsuit against the construction company and the state of Sonoita for lost income. We will file just after we finish the Class Action against your rude comments.
We will file just after we finish the Class Action against your rude comments.
Well, all good things must come to an end... I'm signing off for today. Time to go enjoy a cold margarita in the real world, and be thankful I'm not going to be subject to Oregon's dopey Dram-whatever law... :ugeek:
I heard a twelve hour delay at about 3:00 this afternoon, this is not good news for folks coming down for this weekend. Whats that they say about Mother Nature?..........
What Mexican genius decided to do this work in monsoon season?
OMG...I actually have to agree with you.....is this a first?
There are ways to get around the bridge...but most likely would require a 4wd, especially after the rains....there are dirt tracks that you can see from the border that would empty you out on the other side of town (southeast), then backtrack.....just go to google maps and zoom in with satellite view from Lukeville crossing.....there is even a good dirt road that runs parallel to the "fence" on the Mexican side.
I think a lot of the water could be coming from here, it looks like a river outside on my dirt road.
Oh, and by the way, it's just not a Mexican thing about timing. They have Senator Hwy all tore up for over a mile starting at Gurley, and yesterday I had to go half way out of town over on the other side, and then cut back across to get home, because it's now a muddy river.. It's "monsoon' season up here too.
I talked to Mark at Vasquez Liquor Store in Sonoyta this morning at 9am. He said the detour road around Sonoyta is open/passable with "ALOT" of mud. BUT "IF" it rains again it will be shut down again. I'll be needing it "Open" on Sunday.
well my 3 legged dog is a good swimmer so why wouldn't a 2 legged one? Sasabe for me,the Beltrans be damned oh the pipeline should make a paved road to the Coastal Highway from Sasabe a done deal...If the damn ranchers and tree huggers don't stop it. This is great news for Tucson people headed to the beach!!!
Are there any updates on this? My gf and I are going to rocky point for the first time ever this Wednesday and are planning on a romantic vacation. The toyota corolla we are driving isn't exactly an offroad vehicle and the only direction that I know to take is this one. What is the best way for me to stay on top of this and are there any alternate routes that I could take?
There are no viable alternative routes. The road is passable at this point today, Saturday morning. 7/14, a bit rough but OK if you take your time. By Wed, unless there is another storm, you should be OK. That is a main route for Mexican local and lond haul traffic as well as tourists so they will have to get it opened. Keep checking here, there will be current info posted as we go along.
we arrived at 4:00 and gave up and went back to Phx around 730 because it was a cluster _____ with everyone trying to cross the arroyo and no semblance of order and a rainstorm on its way. I called D and D and gave them a warning and they decided to try to come on Saturday. I met D and D at the Why gas station this morning at 7:30 and we arrived with no hassle and/or traffic around 9:00 AM to the Casa in Playa Encanto.
Radar showed a brief shower in Sonoita about 1:15. Got a good rain here in GV for the last hour. Storms are popping up all over and going from South to North.
Nothing at or near Sonoita now, but it could pop up anytine in this juicy atmosphere.
we arrived at 4:00 and gave up and went back to Phx around 730 because it was a cluster _____ with everyone trying to cross the arroyo and no semblance of order and a rainstorm on its way. I called D and D and gave them a warning and they decided to try to come on Saturday. I met D and D at the Why gas station this morning at 7:30 and we arrived with no hassle and/or traffic around 9:00 AM to the Casa in Playa Encanto.
This email is confusing, did they give up yesterday and make it through today without issue? When they mention 4:00 is that AM or PM?
If you come to the area where the water is running strong, stay put for about an hour or less and the water will receed quick as the short cut bridge is still in a high point of the wash, go to El Sarape for a couple of tacos if you are in that side or go to the lady next to Vasquez for tacos if you are in the other side, either way do not panic just wait, however if you are in a rush to get to the airport just make sure that next time you leave with at least a couple of hours of play time!!
Sonoyta, Sonora, Mexico, is a little-known, and little-visited town, located a couple of miles south of the Arizona border, near the border crossing at Lukeville, Arizona. Many Norteamericans, especially those who reside in Arizona, pass through Sonoyta on the way to the resort town of Puerto Peñasco, which is located about an hour's drive south of Sonoyta, on the beautiful Sea of Cortéz. However, for some strange reasons, few Americans choose to stop in Sonoyta, and even fewer choose to stay overnight to explore this fascinating town, and meet the wonderful people who call Sonoyta home. Left: That white line in the center of the photo is Sonoyta, in the distance. Note the picturesque mountains in the background of the photo. Right: Sonoyta is a long ways from just about anywhere! Sonoyta is not a border town, although it is very close to the international border, and a northern neighborhood, separated from the majority of the town by a range of hills, actually straddles the border. The central portion of the town, which is located at the busy intersection of Federal Highways 8 and 2, is truly Mexican, and if you were instantly transported to the central part of town, you'd never guess that you were only a couple miles south of the border, as you'll note the usual taco stands, taquerias and traffic circles, but you'll note the lack of a red light district, honkey tonks, strip joints, Zona Rojo, street girls, or hookers. Sonoya is a small, family-oriented Mexican town, and its refreshing to visit a town, located so close to the U.S. border, so far away, and so truly Mexican. Left: The sign erected over Federal Highway 2 welcomes the visitor to Sonoyta. Right: Sonoyta, with Punto Sonoyta in the foreground. A sign located on the south end of town advertises the population of Sonoyta is 17, 479 friendly residents, which seems pretty accurate, according to my observations. The town is basically divided into two parts, north and south, and the dividing line is Federal Highway 8, the main road to Puerto Peñasco, which bisects the town near the center. As I was staying in the Excelsior Motel, just north of Highway 8, I had ample opportunity to explore the northern section of town; unfortunately I had little opportunity to explore south of Highway 8. Left: Looking east into Sonoyta along highway 2, at the extreme west side of town. Right: The busy intersextion of Federal Highways 2 and 8, with desert hills in the background. Sonoyta sits in a small valley, surrounded by the arid, cactus-dotted hills of northern Sonora. I had the opportunity to approach Sonoyta from the west, as I dove from Mexicali, then drive south along Highway 8 to Puerto Peñasco, then approach the town from the east, along Federal Highway 2. Alas, when it was time for me to leave the town, I had the opportunity to cross into the U.S. using Mexico Federal Highway 8, also known as Boulevard de las Americas. Left: Another view of the intersection of Highways 2 and 8, which is the focal point of town. Right: Looking along Highway 2, near sunset. Note the sign that points to the USA. Most Norteamericano visitors tend to pass through Sonoyta without stopping, on their way to the seaside resort town of Puerto Peñasco, about an hour south. Sonoyta is truly a beautiful, friendly town, that offers a view of small-town Mexico, just a couple miles south of the international border, where you can meet and mingle with friendly people, and walk the safe, friendly streets. Oh yes, Sonoyta offers fine street food cuisine, especially tacos and Sonoran-style hot dogs; check out my dining experiences during my visit to Sonoyta. Left: Excelsior Motel, located on Highway 2, a.k.a. Bvd. F.C.O. Eusebio Kino, just west of the Highway 8 intersection. Excelsior Motel features a fine, clean pool. Don't just pass through Sonoyta, stop by and get to know the friendly folks who inhabit this lovely Mexican town.
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It's certainly not your typical "border town", most of this (below) is what I always stress when telling my friends about Sonoyta.
but you'll note the lack of a red light district, honkey tonks, strip joints, Zona Rojo, street girls, or hookers. Sonoya is a small, family-oriented Mexican town, and its refreshing to visit a town, located so close to the U.S. border, so far away, and so truly Mexican.
It's certainly not your typical "border town", most of this (below) is what I always stress when telling my friends about Sonoyta.
Sonoyta is probably different due to the fact that there is no USA town on the other side to draw from. USA people are mostly passing through - not popping over for a casual dinner, shopping, etc. Makes Sonoyta rather unique. As you said, more a family town then a tourist trap.
I was told there were several flowing washes between Tucson and Sells ( and this was before our big storm this afternoon). My advice is to travel early in the morning.
Except for the friendly Policia with the radar guns at the 80 transition to 40KM sign coming into town from Penasco.
Just hate that when it happens to me.I do like the low key atmosphere of Sonyota when I stop to get tacos and visit Vasquez's again and again.
River flood Sonoyta.foto demonstrative. Courtesy Stephen Homes
SCT Center Sonora reported that total circulation is restored Federal Highway No. 2, Lauro Villar - Tijuana, after being closed on Saturday night due to increased water level in a ford at Km 253 + 500 sub-section Santa Ana - Sonoyta.
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The road was closed for 6 hours, from 21:30 to 3:30 Saturday hours on Sunday, during which the SCT staff dredging work performed in that ford of the road. During this time the Federal Police was supporting and guiding road users, as well as suggested alternate route is to take the coastal road, Sonoyta - Puerto Penasco - Golfo de Santa Clara-San Luis Rio Colorado and vice versa. The federal agency said it will keep alert to any issues that may affect traffic on the roads Sonora, and also urges users to exercise extreme caution and respect road signs.
While waiting for the water to recede in the AZ side wash, I had the chance to talk to a lady from Sonoyta, she explained to me that this rains are the strongest they had in 10 years, nobody was waiting for this to happen therefore the widening of the bridge taking place as this is the slowest season for commercial transportation.
We had to wait 2 hours in the Organ Pipe Park for the waters to recede to go thru, 3 washes total about 4 to 5 miles south of WHY, however the rest of the way thru the TON reservation was clear with dry washes.
We left RP at 2 pm arrived in Tucson at 8:30pm, the only delay we had was , they at the Organ Pipe Park, they say the rest of the week might be the same, I'll see as I have to go back either today or tomorrow morning early.
Please update this. Had a friend leave rp this morning and was stuck in Sonoyta for 2 hours to get through detour. He had come through yesterday only to turn around when told of the delay in Organ Pipe. We are coming down Thursday evening and hope everything is dried out by then.
While waiting for the water to recede in the AZ side wash, I had the chance to talk to a lady from Sonoyta, she explained to me that this rains are the strongest they had in 10 years, nobody was waiting for this to happen therefore the widening of the bridge taking place as this is the slowest season for commercial transportation.
We had to wait 2 hours in the Organ Pipe Park for the waters to recede to go thru, 3 washes total about 4 to 5 miles south of WHY, however the rest of the way thru the TON reservation was clear with dry washes.
I tried to upload the pictures but is not happening, just one
That hardly looks crossable. How long do you have to wait for the water level to go down? When it is lower how long does it stay that way? I'm driving down Wednesday morning and these pictures suggest that I need 4wd.
That hardly looks crossable. How long do you have to wait for the water level to go down? When it is lower how long does it stay that way? I'm driving down Wednesday morning and these pictures suggest that I need 4wd.
Actually since that pass is the only around for kilometers, it bottle necks there but it does move, it took us about 3 to 4 minutes to go thru the wash in Sonoyta, it seems high however it was only about 4 to 5 inches of water, the washes in the park were a lot worst.
The river batamonte was rouning quite full yesterday, took pictures but forgot the cable again, is the one by the entrance of the Pinacate Volcanic area at the Curva Peligrosa area.
The river batamonte was running quite full yesterday, took pictures but forgot the cable again, is the one by the entrance of the Pinacate Volcanic area at the Curva Peligrosa area.
It was running Sunday morning when we headed back up. I was quite surprised, actually. I think it is the first time in all these years I've ever seen it flowing like a real river with water in it. I'm assuming it runs out to sea (somewhere?). Anybody know where? It was some dirty, muddy water!
Stuart, is it the Sonoyta River you're talking about? If you drive on the Caborca highway, past the "Y" (about 6 miles east of town) you hit some dips and the 3rd one is mostly the river as it empties into the high point of the La Pinta estuary. We cross the river 4 times to get to our house in Miramar: once just east of Why, in Sonoyta, at the peligrosa curve by Pinacate, and then again on the Caborca highway.
Those won't work when you cross the border, since the bridge you cross when you get down the hill and try to go left is gone (being rebuilt). There is a bypass/detour.....you make a right at the bottom of the hill at the Pemex instead, then the first left...that is the crossing that has had problems with the flooding this past week.....
I'll be crossing the border tomorrow (Wednesday) morning around 9am, how was the detour doing today? Doesn't look like much rain will hit tonight, but I know parts of the border and over closer to Nogales got hammered. We figured by morning, even if it rained tonight (Tuesday), most places would be dry by morning. Are there still major delays near Organ Pipe?
The washes are all open and cleared in Organ Pipe Park, no water as of yesterday at 4pm, the wash in Sonoyta was running still but passable maybe 5 inches of water, looks like a 2 feet on the pictures but is not.
A local told me yesterday that the "Sells" flood gates are going to be open and it will get worst, however before I was going to ask what he meant he was gone, I have never heard of a lake or pond call Sells in Sonoyta or surroundings, has anybody?
Stuart, is it the Sonoyta River you're talking about? If you drive on the Caborca highway, past the "Y" (about 6 miles east of town) you hit some dips and the 3rd one is mostly the river as it empties into the high point of the La Pinta estuary. We cross the river 4 times to get to our house in Miramar: once just east of Why, in Sonoyta, at the peligrosa curve by Pinacate, and then again on the Caborca highway.
It may well be the same river. I was talking about the peligrosa curve at Pincante. I didn't realize they were one and the same rivers because of the distance. Figured it was run-off from Pincante. The more you know... :idea:
Any news from this morn? Looked like possible rain and more for the weekend. We're new to all this, can't afford to be stuck into Mon. if the river crossing is closed.
Any news from this morn? Looked like possible rain and more for the weekend. We're new to all this, can't afford to be stuck into Mon. if the river crossing is closed.
Not trying to be a smart ass, Jay... but, youse pays your money and youse takes your chances at this time of the year! :puff:
Really hard to know how much rain might fall this weekend, but as you know, storms are predicted for Saturday. Sonoita has been getting drenched this year and with the bridge construction? It's a real roll of the dice!
My only advice would be leave early on Sunday morning to beat the storm build-up. We left by 9:00 and were in Gila Bend by 11:00 with no issues. My buddy didn't leave until after noon and was just outside Ajo when I talked to him at 7:00 pm.
They are calling for rains for Friday night into Saturday and Sunday thanks to Fabio and then clearing Monday, for Tucson, however today's rains that are along the border are moving on Sells/Sonoyta's direction, it is NOT a dry heat lately!!!
10:00 this morning, single lane so each direction was taking turns under police direction. Backhoe working to remove the downstream side of the low-water crossing surface, presumably to replace the concrete. 15 minute wait southbound, but northbound backup looked a little worse.
here's my report. arrived in sonoyta last saturday (7/14) around 2 p.m. no control of traffic, people cutting in left and right. water was very high. waited 2 hours and didn't move. at 4 p.m. we gave up, with water getting higher, 100 cars ahead of us, and not moving. we turned aruond and headed to yuma. spent night at microtel. next a.m. skirted yuma on new road, crossed with no wait at san luis, and took the new autopista down to 3 and near Golfo Santa Clara. Microtel on east side of Yuma to PP that way was 3.5 hours. Crossed back on Tuesday 17th in Sonoyta. only had a 20 minute wait as we somehow ended up in the semi line and they let us go. but, bridge had a TON of water and cars were flooding (we have an suv and water came up 1/2way up door). made it across but wouldn't risk it again. guess we'll wait till the big bridge is fixed to head back down. :(
Yes there was rain-just crossed the Sonoyta bridge detour. Caborca highway was flooded at Km 18-2nd and 4th dip and the rains hadn't started there yet. Be careful.
3:00 PM, Sat. 21st. I just spoke to a gent who came down from Tucson. He reported it took one and one half hours to get through Sonoita. The delay was due to lots of traffic coming through on Rt 3 and a stalled double romoloque, and little police direction. No water passing just lots of vehicles and a torn up road. Remember that is a higly used main route E-W and trucks are supposedly prohibited from the coastal highway I think.
There is no easy viable alternative route. There is a road through the Pinacate off Rt.3 but very rough and probably washed out in many places. If you are real daring you could take Gillespie's old road from Sonoita to Sierra la Pinta ! That's a real fun 4WD trip not to be attempted solo. Last time I was up there the military had set up a shooting range and would not let us through. Mexicali then coastal highway or Nogales through Caborca I guess but either route will probably take more than one and one half hours more. I think get there early is the best plan. I think the truckers avoid Rt. 3 at night as much as possible so truck traffic in from Mexicali will take some time to get to Sonoita and plug things up. They are working on improving the existing detour so hopefully things will get better soon.
Sasabe-Altar was good last month but the monsoon might be an issue...El Gilo is dead they say so Tubutama may be back in play...i don't believe I'd take the Sasabe Tubutama one yet. Maybe Rplarry can test it out!
Roberto said:
3:00 PM, Sat. 21st. I just spoke to a gent who came down from Tucson. He reported it took one and one half hours to get through Sonoita. The delay was due to lots of traffic coming through on Rt 3 and a stalled double romoloque, and little police direction. No water passing just lots of vehicles and a torn up road. Remember that is a higly used main route E-W and trucks are supposedly prohibited from the coastal highway I think.
There is no easy viable alternative route. There is a road through the Pinacate off Rt.3 but very rough and probably washed out in many places. If you are real daring you could take Gillespie's old road from Sonoita to Sierra la Pinta ! That's a real fun 4WD trip not to be attempted solo. Last time I was up there the military had set up a shooting range and would not let us through. Mexicali then coastal highway or Nogales through Caborca I guess but either route will probably take more than one and one half hours more. I think get there early is the best plan. I think the truckers avoid Rt. 3 at night as much as possible so truck traffic in from Mexicali will take some time to get to Sonoita and plug things up. They are working on improving the existing detour so hopefully things will get better soon.
Driving through later this morning and will give an update then. If you really need to make the trip at this point just do it. Obviously the local police know of the problem and are doing all they can to remedy the situation.
Joe, Mark mentioned an extra 4 to 5 hours for that trip and he is probably right. After you exit El Golfo, there is an Army checkpoint, its not like here where they usually wave U.S. residents thru, they ask you to get out of your car and then they search it. There is 1 lane for cars and 1 lane for commercial trucks and on a Sunday afternoon it takes forever. Then you have to cross the border at San Luis, time wise anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 1/2 hours.
Thanks Bill...I had thrown the 4-5 hours out.....I've been to El Golfo on the Coast Highway...took about 1.5-2 hours (made a couple of stops for photo ops).....but not any further. It may be the only alternative to getting stuck (not a bad thing) in Penasco another day.....
Thanks Bill...I had thrown the 4-5 hours out.....I've been to El Golfo on the Coast Highway...took about 1.5-2 hours (made a couple of stops for photo ops).....but not any further. It may be the only alternative to getting stuck (not a bad thing) in Penasco another day.....
If not for the army checkpoint and the border wait, it would be about a 6 hour trip to Phoenix, 2 1/2 hours to San Luis and about 3 1/2 hours more to Phoenix. I think I will go ahead and stay a couple more weeks here to make sure the crossing is ok, or maybe wait for the monsoon season to end, about the end of August.
This is supposed to be the phone number for the US Border crossing....someone called and they were able to get somewhat of an update on the status of the detour over the river bed.....said that they were only seeing high profile vehicles (this was about 9:30am)...not the best info...but at least an indication of what kind of traffic is getting thru.
Headed across in a couple hours, so Johnny555 or whoever, really appreciate any further update. Got a good, overland-setup SUV. But also the wife and kids inside, so the biz meeting I have in NM tomorrow isn't THAT worth it. Joe, Jerry, Kenny, Perro, go easy with comments about the wife and kids being better swept into Estero Morua along with Obama...
Tmotsinger my president will just walk on the water and save the whole Family...have fun if you find yourself ready for a ride drop on down to Santo Tomas ,get the lots for sale map,drive in front of the condo,park and come down to the isolated beach for a swim..
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Headed across in a couple hours, so Johnny555 or whoever, really appreciate any further update. Got a good, overland-setup SUV. But also the wife and kids inside, so the biz meeting I have in NM tomorrow isn't THAT worth it. Joe, Jerry, Kenny, Perro, go easy with comments about the wife and kids being better swept into Estero Morua along with Obama...
Headed across in a couple hours, so Johnny555 or whoever, really appreciate any further update. Got a good, overland-setup SUV. But also the wife and kids inside, so the biz meeting I have in NM tomorrow isn't THAT worth it. Joe, Jerry, Kenny, Perro, go easy with comments about the wife and kids being better swept into Estero Morua along with Obama...
Tom be sure and check for empty beer cans....need report when you cross, damn storm in Tucson right now plenty of thunder directv out...going to redbox..
Headed across in a couple hours, so Johnny555 or whoever, really appreciate any further update. Got a good, overland-setup SUV. But also the wife and kids inside, so the biz meeting I have in NM tomorrow isn't THAT worth it. Joe, Jerry, Kenny, Perro, go easy with comments about the wife and kids being better swept into Estero Morua along with Obama...
Another recent post on FB...about 15 minutes ago...."
Construction is going on right now and they are letting a couple vehicles go at a time while they are working on it...you can get through....may take awhile though if you head back when everyone else does."
We left town at about 12:15 today - got into Sonita and across the detour relatively quickly - crossed back into the US quick and just past the Visitor's Center in Organ Pipe a wall of water came down on use. We continued for some distance getting through one wash before coming to a standstill. It took us 2.5 hours to get through the National Park as we waited for the washes to become passable - Border Patrol closed down one wash and was holding traffic back so no they wouldn't have to go in and save some moron in a sedan that thought they could get through this. These rains are great but suck when your trapped.
Tried posting 3 times earlier, but the forum software wouldn't recognize me. Sonoyta River crossing was fine at 4:00--water passing harmlessly though the culvert. 2 hour delay south of Why, though, due to flooded wash crossings. Many turned back to Peñasco due to "4 hour" rumors. Then all cleared for crossing. Including a detainment at the border and a crowded McD in the Bend, a 7-hour trip.