Shooting in Penasco

Aurora 'Dark Knight' Shooting Suspect Identified: James Holmes - ABC News

I feel so much safer in the United States going to a movie..

Can't make out the entire story with the online translators...but it sounds like all the shootings were related......with a police chase, etc.

From what I could glean from the Tucson paper this AM, it seems to have started on Fremont (Which just happens to be the name of my street in GV)
and became a chase that ended at some school and or a sports complex. I've got to believe that Roberto will have some info, because one of the pictures
on Numero Uno looks like it was close to his office. He doesn't get up till noon so I'm sure we'll hear fromhim later.

Yeah...the first set of pics I saw looked like the road from Fremont to Las Conchas...the last was behind the baseball stadium and high school on Benito Juarez, where the practice fields are....

It doesn't appear to have hit the Phoenix papers (online version ) yet....

My husband heard about it at workout at Desert Hills this morning. It made the Tucson paper which we do not get. Was not in PHX paper. Was it a shooting or a killings?

"tuff battle between Cartels'...the Sum of all our fears.... so this is the part where the boosters tell us not to worry or "hey at least it's not as bad as Kabul"

jerry said:

"tuff battle between Cartels'...the Sum of all our fears.... so this is the part where the boosters tell us not to worry or "hey at least it's not as bad as Kabul"

or Colorado.

I heard from a friend in Penasco it happened at the black dogbut the locals can confirm

GV Jack said:

or Colorado.

Hey Jack...We are headed down on Monday via Nogales.If you have not gone that way lets meet up and you can follow us down. Please leave that snubnose 38 with the serial numbers filed off you keep in your sock at home in Green Valley.

Here's all I can tell right now:

A band of bad guys from out of town (Caborca) have been rumored to be behind some recent thievery in Penasco. Yesterday officers attempted to stop a suspicious vehicle and they were shot at. A chase ensued. Rumors of a wounded or killed officer haven't been corroborated. The chase led them to the area between Josefa Ortiz de Dominguez and Blvd. Benito Juarez where the sports installations and La Montana school are. Early reports say five bad guys were killed and a couple wounded.

jerry said:

"tuff battle between Cartels'...the Sum of all our fears.... so this is the part where the boosters tell us not to worry or "hey at least it's not as bad as Kabul"

Jerry...I can't figure you out (at least on this issue) and your comment (other than ragging on the "boosters").....isn't it a lot more dangerous down your way....Santo Tomas...close to Caborca, good location for the drugs to come in by panga, etc......and you don't seem to be running......

Rosy do the cops have good vests? Might be a good thing to raise some money for....most likely they now have 5 top of the line ones as the Narcos most likely have top of the line stuff.

PitiquitoRosy said:

Here's all I can tell right now:

A band of bad guys from out of town (Caborca) have been rumored to be behind some recent thievery in Penasco. Yesterday officers attempted to stop a suspicious vehicle and they were shot at. A chase ensued. Rumors of a wounded or killed officer haven't been corroborated. The chase led them to the area between Josefa Ortiz de Dominguez and Blvd. Benito Juarez where the sports installations and La Montana school are. Early reports say five bad guys were killed and a couple wounded.

jerry said:

Rosy do the cops have good vests? Might be a good thing to raise some money for....most likely they now have 5 top of the line ones as the Narcos most likely have top of the line stuff.

These were State cops, so I think they have 'em. Joe, Jerry's neighborhood is a little safer now. One of the dead has been identified as Ramon 'El Negro' Sabori.

They also said one of the bad guys car was armoured. Don't think your average person has that at their disposal.

Jerry,
The cops I have talked to in Cholla Bay have vests, new uniforms, nice new Glock handgun and M-16. The vests will not stop a rifle round. First post today, second like Kenny.

Rick
Cholla Bay

PintoPoint said:

Jerry,
First post today, second like Kenny.

Rick
Cholla Bay

PitiquitoRosy said:

These were State cops, so I think they have 'em. Joe, Jerry's neighborhood is a little safer now. One of the dead has been identified as Ramon 'El Negro' Sabori.

I've met that guy at Cinta's Agua Chile ..he had a nice watch..... Joe we have never even had a burglary out at Santo Tomas (guards that patrol ,plus the middle of nowhere ,plus we all pay the workers a real living wage unlike many Penasco and Caborca employers)

They recently had a big shoot out by my civil engineer buddies inlaws house in Guaymas(this is another example of white guys stealing the best mexican women) The Caborca boys are pretty much badasses and in that magic hour when late night meets the dawn and the bars empty out ..well stuff happens

jerry said:

Rosy do the cops have good vests? Might be a good thing to raise some money for....most likely they now have 5 top of the line ones as the Narcos most likely have top of the line stuff.

If mexico would just ban guns these kinds of things would not happen, oh wait lol.............................

We need to stop the gun show sales

jerry said:

We need to stop the gun show sales

Yeah, and the Oshkosh air show sales as well.... all these damn plane crashes are getting out of control, too.

I love that show...so no it should not be stopped

moore_rb said:

Yeah, and the Oshkosh air show sales as well.... all these damn plane crashes are getting out of control, too.

jerry said:

I love that show...so no it should not be stopped

TSA: Training Sky-bound Illegal Aliens - Michelle Malkin - Page 1

Borderland Beat: El Negro Sabori Falls

I guess El Negro escaped....Hummmm No way!!1

lagrimas85 said:

TSA: Training Sky-bound Illegal Aliens - Michelle Malkin - Page 1

Ha ha come on now Bill, get with it...Michelle Malkin is an Idiot

jerry said:

Hey Jack...We are headed down on Monday via Nogales.If you have not gone that way lets meet up and you can follow us down. Please leave that snubnose 38 with the serial numbers filed off you keep in your sock at home in Green Valley.

Jerry,

I'd love to do that but I'm not going down until August 22nd and leaving on the 28th. I'd really like to see Santo Thomas and will try to run down that way during that visit.

There is one huge problem, though. I don't have a 38, however, I insist on bringing my 45 with the hollows, my RPG, Bazooka, Carbine, AK-47 and last but not least.
my Musket that General Goerge was kind enough to let me keep when I was discharged at Mt. Vernon.

Have a wonderful day and keep up the good work.

Thanks Jack..I will be there until the 29th If you wear your original coon skin cap from you Indian fighting days the guards have been told to let you in...why house is on the back row with the 666 sign on the door

GV Jack said:

Jerry,

I'd love to do that but I'm not going down until August 22nd and leaving on the 28th. I'd really like to see Santo Thomas and will try to run down that way during that visit.

There is one huge problem, though. I don't have a 38, however, I insist on bringing my 45 with the hollows, my RPG, Bazooka, Carbine, AK-47 and last but not least.
my Musket that General Goerge was kind enough to let me keep when I was discharged at Mt. Vernon.

Have a wonderful day and keep up the good work.

Playaperro, is this the same guy? Besides the fact that Raul Sabori ought to be in prison, as someone has already implied, Rosie says this guy is named Ramon.

I heard about it last night. Did not see or hear any shooting. Guess I slept through it !

audsley said:

Playaperro, is this the same guy? Besides the fact that Raul Sabori ought to be in prison, as someone has already implied, Rosie says this guy is named Ramon.

policia pei comenta:






According to a comment made on numbers 1 It is Ramon Sabori, He is not El Negro Sabori in that write up. You need to double check before you post on here....Rosa

I heard it was a brother here in the Penasco fracas.

So you have a nice new armored truck,plenty of weapons and you still get the shat shot out of you? this is the second time El Negro's boy were ambush while hunting for big game (Tubutama the first) The Beltans etc. moving in? The best thing Puerto Penasco has going for it safety wise and it is a good one is the fact that many people from all sides have investments here. this will get tamped down and I wouldn't worry to much about it. dark side...more damn checkpoints

audsley said:

Playaperro, is this the same guy? Besides the fact that Raul Sabori ought to be in prison, as someone has already implied, Rosie says this guy is named Ramon.

Sorry, Audsley. My mistake. It was indeed Raul, I was thinking Ramon...who is in prison.

playaperro said:

policia pei comenta:

	... uno de los que mataron se llama ramon sabori y era originario de caborca de hecho era el unico hermano que quedaba pues a sus hermanos tambien murieron de la misma forma

According to a comment made on numbers 1 It is Ramon Sabori, He is not El Negro Sabori in that write up. You need to double check before you post on here....Rosa

LOL! I'd already corrected my error, Dud...I mean, Dude. I read and write two languages fluently and still struggle to understand anything you post. The day I need "reporting" lessons from you is a day I turn in my Press badge.

PitiquitoRosy said:

LOL! I'd already corrected my error, Dud...I mean, Dude. I read and write two languages fluently and still struggle to understand anything you post. The day I need "reporting" lessons from you is a day I turn in my Press badge.

Corrected after the fact LOL...Like the next Day...YEAH I GOT YOUR DUDE HANGING!!!

playaperro said:

Corrected after the fact LOL...Like the next Day...YEAH I GOT YOUR DUDE HANGING!!!

Yuck...don't let it just hang there, Dude...wipe your nose! I took the day off to go jet-skiing yesterday. Haven't been back online until today. What's your point? Oh, nevermind, it's you...point not included.

Nice try!

A really baaaaaaaad video on safety in Penasco.....Russ, you really should find a better PR firm!!! LOL

Earl and Nigel Show on Safety - YouTube

Another article in the US press...

Rocky Point death toll hits 6 in Thurs. shootings

This is not good, hopefully my family doesn't catch wind of this as they may force a scrap of plans for next week.

I want my 5 minutes and 21 seconds back, Joe..........

We were talking to a local at Combo Taco, and he said 4 people "not from Penasco" and 1 policeman were killed.

Ladyjeeper said:

I want my 5 minutes and 21 seconds back, Joe..........

Didn't I preface it saying it was bad!!! No one forced you to watch it.....LOL

Balacera entre bandas deja al menos siete muertos en Puerto Peñasco en El Blog del Narco

I was curious to see if this incident made Blog del narco and yes it did. I would consider blog del narco to be the foremost leader of narco information on the internet. They have every killing of every day that happens in Mexico. Pretty disturbing looking at some of these crimes, viewer discretion is advised

THATS IT!!!! i'm selling my condo!!! cancel my insurance Rosie and fire sell my place!!!!.... I'm moving to the midwest where it is "safe"!!!!!! (if I don't go to the movies at least)

A little different report....where the earlier reports I saw didn't indicate 2 different gangs involved....

JGattheSea said:

THATS IT!!!! i'm selling my condo!!! cancel my insurance Rosie and fire sell my place!!!!.... I'm moving to the midwest where it is "safe"!!!!!! (if I don't go to the movies at least)

I'm not cancelling crap. This town needs more people like you and Joe, so you're staying put.

rockyptjoe said:

A little different report....where the earlier reports I saw didn't indicate 2 different gangs involved....

Press releases have been coming out with conflicting information, Joe. Even the flap over the dead guy's name is still ongoing.

PitiquitoRosy said:

Press releases have been coming out with conflicting information, Joe. Even the flap over the dead guy's name is still ongoing.

Ah yes the continuing problem of internet commnications. He said, she said, they said, we know, he saw, etc. Facts seem to be there was some shooting, some people got hurt, and some unfortunatley killed. It has been amply demonstrated that you can, and usually will, get two markedly different reports from two people who viewed the same event. Who were they? Was There blood? Exactly where did it happen? What size shoes did they have on? What time of the day did it happen. Blah, blah blah. Now we got a newbie coming on the forum announcing that there was a shooting in Penasco !! The FACTS will never come out because there are none to be had !! Lots of observations and opinions though.

El Blog de Narco is selling sensationalism so you will get the most lurid description possible there. Son in Georgia, USA, told me that there are Spanish language rags sold there filled with lurid photos and reports propped right at the checkout stands so everyone can enjoy the headlines.

Mexican folk Wisdom: No hay camino mas seguro que el que acaban de robar.

No road is safer than the one just robbed.

TUESDAY, JULY 24, 2012 11:27 EDITORIAL PUERTO PENASCO


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Puerto Penasco, Sonora, July 24, 2012. - Were identified and returned to their families that the five alleged gunmen were killed in incidents recorded on 19 July this year in the town of Puerto Peñasco.

This is Jose Ramon Sabori Cisneros, 46-year-old native of ejido Ortega, located in the state of Baja California. Among his belongings was found a driver's license in the name of Ignacio Juarez Cisneros, whose picture matches the physical characteristics of the now deceased.

Oscar Manuel Cardenas Garcia, 28-year-old native of Otalillo Badiraguato, Sinaloa, Julio Cesar Acosta Contreras, 30-year-old native of Ciudad Obregon, Sonora.

Romualdo Froylan Gaxiola Ochoa, 34-year-old native of El Fuerte, Sinaloa, who was found a driver's license in the name of Wilfredo Acosta Lugo and Jose Humberto Elenes Morales, a native of El Fuerte, Sinaloa.

It will be recalled on 19 July, around 18:00 hours, was recorded in the town of Puerto Peñasco a clash between two criminal groups, which killed four of the five suspected assassins above.

Derived from these facts, the agents of the PEI implemented an operation and faced an armed group, where he died fifth gunman, a member of the State Investigation agent was shot and two wounded.

These facts are seized two rifles, four handguns, two fragmentation grenades, chargers supplied for rifles and three vehicles, one of which was armored.

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Explanatory note says:

... Only quierop to call the authorities do not try to fool people that were pure killers, as the person to carry on life Julio Cesar Acosta was not no thug and was found only in the place and wrong time working, and that was doing the painting which was by profession a long time, when the gusts of armed groups reached him, so please ask them not to lie our authorities not to alarm more the population, if someone dares to belie .......

offensive vote - v

Yes we agree, julio cesar acosta contreras had nothing to do with this massacre, he was on his way home when a stray bullet hit him, he was an honest, hard working person, he was there in the wrong place at the wrong time, the authorities knew about this , but still decided to blame him too!! This is an outrage, we will not stop protesting until his name is cleared, julio cesar acosta contreras was an innocent bystandard!!!!

Exactly, I should know....I'm his Brother in Law!! thank you all for your support, thank you for caring about him, or even if you don't know him and want his name cleared because it's the right thing to do...thank you!!!

Stratfor


Two groups of gunmen exchanged fire on a sports field behind a school July 19 along Lazaro Cardenas Street in Puerto Penasco, Sonora state, according to July 20 media reports. Police responding to the scene discovered three dead bodies, two vehicles (one of which was armored), various firearms and a fragmentation grenade. During a subsequent pursuit of individuals involved in the gunbattle, police engaged the suspects in a firefight, which left one gunmen and one police officer dead and two other police officers wounded.






Mexican media outlets suggest one of the gunmen was the brother of Raul "El Negro" Sabori Cisneros, a Sinaloa Federation lieutenant arrested in April 2011 in Hermosillo, Sonora state. The possible involvement of a Sinaloa member along with the use of several gunmen and an armored vehicle suggest that someone at least briefly presented a challenge to the Sinaloa Federation's operations in Puerto Penasco.
According to unnamed witnesses cited in open-source reports, continuous fighting between two competing drug cartels in Puerto Penasco has occurred for the past two weeks. Gunfights are rare in Puerto Penasco; the Sinaloa Federation gained control of the city after pushing the Beltran Leyva Organization out of northern Sonora state in 2010. While intercartel violence in northern Sonora declined in 2011, it continued in the southern half of Sonora state, which is closer to the main area of operations for splinter groups from the former Beltran Leyva Organization in northern Sinaloa state.
Puerto Penasco serves the Sinaloa Federation as a stopping point along land drug-trafficking routes and as a seaport for drug traffickers sailing the Gulf of California. It often uses small, local criminal organizations to transport illicit drugs across the U.S.-Mexican border. These smaller organizations sometimes have violent disputes with each other, but these disputes do not necessarily involve the Sinaloa Federation.
It is unlikely a smaller group would challenge the Sinaloa Federation without support from a larger criminal organization, such as Los Zetas or a splinter group of the former Beltran Leyva Organization. Even if the July 19 incident represents part of an ongoing cartel turf war instead of a one-off dispute, the level of violence probably will not match that of turf wars elsewhere in Mexico due to the more desolate nature of the area.
Editor's Note: We now offer the daily Mexico Security Monitor, an additional custom intelligence service geared toward organizations with operations or interests in the region, designed to provide more detailed and in-depth coverage of the situation. To learn more about this new fee-based custom service, visit www.stratfor.com/msm.

I waded through lots of released e-mails from Stratfor. They are a bunch of hot dogs that repackage and regurgitate whatever speculative drivel they hear as hard fact. The main qualification of some of their 'experts' is that they can read and watch the telly. The funny thing is that they repackage information they get from the US Govt and then sell it back to them! Do you think a company that was set up to advise people about threats is ever gonn say 'there are no threats, we're closed". Ha, ha ha ha

Hmmm , on second thought I'm gonna contact them and sell them information !!!

KFYI is on live right now discussing the shooting and whether or not it is 'smart' to travel to Rocky Point. The coverage seems to lean against not going, but not Rick Dimmico style. He is taking callers who travel there regularly, which the host admits he does not, and is giving them a chance to explain why they feel it is safe traveling to RP. Here is the link:

550 KFYI - The Valley's Talk Station: Phoenix | iHeartRadio

Bill Buckmaster of KVOI Tucson had a radio show on with Keith Rosenblum (Border Reporter). Keith said he would still go to Penasco:

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rplarry said:

KFYI is on live right now discussing the shooting and whether or not it is 'smart' to travel to Rocky Point. The coverage seems to lean against not going, but not Rick Dimmico style. He is taking callers who travel there regularly, which the host admits he does not, and is giving them a chance to explain why they feel it is safe traveling to RP. Here is the link:

550 KFYI - The Valley's Talk Station: Phoenix | iHeartRadio

Mike Broomhead was very fair and gave the callers who were proponents of Rocky Point and felt it was safe plenty of time to share their viewpoints. He was then pressed by his sidekick that if the station gave them a block of condos on the beach for free to say, would he go. He was funny because he said, "well know, you are turning the tables. I'd have to seriously think about it."

So, overall a good discussion and fair call. The host admitted he had not been down to Mexico since the early 90's so he cannot really give a personal opinion. One of his main questions was, "given all the other places one could go withing 4 hours of Phoenix, why choose Rocky Point with some of the current news stories and shootings."

One of the callers, "Chuck", was actually in his car driving down to RP when he called in.

Every TV news show is doing the story this afternoon/evening. Took a few days for it to blossom. I knew it wouldn't be long.

Yeah, now starts the panic. I think I'm going to Colorado. I don't know tho, the state police did a fine job in PP

I was woundering why the cops were rolling in packs of 4 and 5 trucks on Friday-Tuesday. Then federally check point on the way out of town to the North.

One of the dead in the July 19 shootout in Puerto Peñasco was Jose Ramón Sabori Cisneros, the brother of a notorious Sonora narco and apparently an accomplished one in his own right.
Anthony Coulson, former head of the DEA's Tucson office, said that when he retired in 2010, Sabori Cisneros ran the Sasabe smuggling corridor for the Sinaloa Cartel. His brother, Raúl "El Negro" Sabori Cisneros, was considered a top operative for El Chapo Guzman's Sinaloa Cartel before he was arrested in Hermosillo in April 2011.
In identifying the dead, the state police referred to José Ramón Sabori Cisneros, 46, as originally from Baja California, but he and his brothers considered Caborca, Sonora their hometown.
The others killed that day were police officer Francisco Vásquez Espinoza, 34 and four suspected gunmen:
• Oscar Manuel Cárdenas Garcia, 28
• Julio César Acosta Contreras, 30
• Froylan Romualdo Gaxiola Ochoa
• José Humberto Elenes Morales.
Authorities have not said yet what they think prompted the shootout. Coincidentally Gaxiola Ochoa and Elenes Morales both listed El Fuerte, Sinaloa as their hometown. I wrote about that town, the home to some of the alleged killers of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, in this blog item.