http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/28/3898280/mexican-vigilante-legalization.html
Many members of the movement spent years in the USA until self deporting or getting the boot .The Obama administration has sent huge numbers of Mexican workers back to Mexico.This has had some interesting outcomes.The fact that they are part of an armed citizens movement was not something anyone saw coming. This is awesome!
What this situation really is saying is that the governments and police forces in Mexico are basically inept in their abilities or in their direction & desire to quell the cartel actions. Thank god these great people have been allowed to own weapons and defend themselves.
Ran across this comment. This guy makes way too much sense...
"This will be effective initially, until the corruption and retaliation thin the ranks of these vigilante groups. These cartels are not going to allow anyone or anything to stop the flow of cash. They will kill anyone and do anything to continue in their quest for money as they have shown over and over. The only answer to make effective change is to legalize. As long as something is illegal and a market exists, then someone will always be there to provide it. As in most cases of illegal transactions, it is organized criminal gangs who provide it and create a violent and dangerous atmosphere surrounding it. The drug war will never be won using the current methods to fight it. There is too much money at stake and corruption is ever present. The governments of both countries will benefit greatly by legalizing, taxing, and controlling the sale and distribution of drugs the same as alcohol is now. No other method will work. This war has failed miserably and will continue to fail because the methods have been ineffective. The incarceration of users for small amounts of these drugs has also failed. This only resulted in filling the prisons with non violent offenders costing the taxpayers even more. Government needs to wake up and start dong something constructive."
That may solve the problem for marijuana, but you're not seriously talking about legalizing cocaine and meth, are you? Because that's where the real money is - not pot.
Good point, legalizing hard core drugs would be scary. I don't know what percent of sales are pot, but just legalizing that would put a serious dent in their cash flow. Seems as though the hard drugs are readily available for those that use so I wonder what effect legalization would realistically have. I think the point of the comment was the drug war that has been ongoing for years and has accomplished nothing and a different approach is long overdue.
I'm sure you're right Jerry. Not going to beat these guys, the best you can hope for is to slow them down a little. I just wish things could go back to the way they were before the drug war when they were quietly running their business and innocent people weren't getting killed.
I agree some and disagree some. I think the "War" has had some value, if only for the awareness factor. Having had two
family members totally hooked, one on Heroin and one on meth and knowing the extent of what they did to support their
habits I can see no reason grand enough to legalize any of them. I know, weed is just as bad as booze. No argument, but
booze leads to more booze, weed, well that's how my two darlings started.
I would like to see some of that War money taken and used for rehab centers that are more readily available for people
who can't afford the Betty Ford type places. I know Teen Challenge did wonders for my two. These six weeks and
out rehabs are a waste of time and money. Mine were in the program for two years and we are celebrating the third year
of sobriety since graduation for both. We pray every night they continue.
OH...I almost forgot...Never ever tell Jerry he's right.
the people I knew that had enough money to really get hooked got off it because of drug testing at work or by doing so much of it they ended up just being bored with the high...it just gets old....if it costs as much as a 6 pack we would be better off...
All of the drug busts you see from the Border Patrol are mules with marijuana back packs that they have abandoned when captured or nearly captured. Several reports have said that at least 80% of the cartel income still comes from marijuana. Even in states like AZ it is not easy or cheap to get access to the medical marijuana. This is still the major profit center for the cartels. If you legalize pot you remove a HUGE part of their income. Any organization with an 80% reduction in income has to sustain a radical change in it's operations. How can they continue to afford their armies?
Good point, legalizing hard core drugs would be scary. I don't know what percent of sales are pot, but just legalizing that would put a serious dent in their cash flow. Seems as though the hard drugs are readily available for those that use so I wonder what effect legalization would realistically have. I think the point of the comment was the drug war that has been ongoing for years and has accomplished nothing and a different approach is long overdue.
If you think that's scary, you should be shaking in your boots now!. The vast majority of dangerous and or hard drugs are prescribed by Physicians and the fact is alcohol, a drug, does more harm to society than all of them put together. CHEER'S.:D
If you think that's scary, you should be shaking in your boots now!. The vast majority of dangerous and or hard drugs are prescribed by Physicians and the fact is alcohol, a drug, does more harm to society than all of them put together. CHEER'S.:D
Unfortunately I am very aware of this Kenny. Alcohol was a big problem for me for many years. Somehow I finally realized what it was doing to my life and was able to reduce my drinking to a very moderate level. Over the years I have cut back even more and now rarely drink. When I get a craving for a drink, I drink a non-alcoholic beer and am satisfied. As I look back on it, I've often wondered how I was able to beat it without intervention as it is impossible for most. My parents & grandparents didn't drink, so the genetic addiction was not present in me.
Jack, I also have a family member who became an addict. Only it wasn't to street drugs, but to pharmaceutical drugs, specifically Percocet. Started taking them for pain management, then started abusing them. Moved on to Oxycontin and couldn't quit as the physical withdrawals are horrible. I got them in to an addiction specialist physician and the healing process began. It's been over a year now and the drug tests have all come back clean. Not out of the woods yet but things are looking very good. The crazy part was the drugs came from a dealer who got them from a person who had a doctors script for them. They didn't need them so they sold them for big money. Probably still doing it. They go for $25 to $40 per pill and are readily available on the street. Point is prescription drug abuse is a HUGE problem in our country with no solution in sight. Unless we as a society take DRASTIC measures to educate our children things will never change.
Hi Landshark. Actually our stories are quite similar. Our heroin addict was in a car wreck and was torn up
pretty badly. He was on Percoset which hooked him and then went to Oxy. For some reason he switched to
heroin. He would buy the Oxy from a nice little old lady who had a script. He and his buddies, two of which
have died from overdoses were sniffing the crap. I totally agree about the abuse of prescription drugs. In fact,
abuse of any drug or alcohol is a huge problem. Good for you for taking control of your life.
Hi Landshark. Actually our stories are quite similar. Our heroin addict was in a car wreck and was torn up
pretty badly. He was on Percoset which hooked him and then went to Oxy. For some reason he switched to
heroin. He would buy the Oxy from a nice little old lady who had a script. He and his buddies, two of which
have died from overdoses were sniffing the crap. I totally agree about the abuse of prescription drugs. In fact,
abuse of any drug or alcohol is a huge problem. Good for you for taking control of your life.
Not uncommon at all. Heroin is actually cheaper than the pills and easier to get. Once you make the transition from pill to needle, it's all over but the crying. Sad, but true.
Not uncommon at all. Heroin is actually cheaper than the pills and easier to get. Once you make the transition from pill to needle, it's all over but the crying. Sad, but true.
I heard on the tele this morning that Oxy goes for $80 to $90 a pill and a heroin fix is about $8. I have no way to verify but that's remarkable.
http://stopoverdose.org don't mix your highs with your lows,never take a bath while loaded and don't let your friends that have mixed drugs go to sleep or jump in the hot tub....Hard core heroin addicts are not the people kicking the bucket...green horns in the world are the victims
http://stopoverdose.org don't mix your highs with your lows,never take a bath while loaded and don't let your friends that have mixed drugs go to sleep or jump in the hot tub....Hard core heroin addicts are not the people kicking the bucket...green horns in the world are the victims
Heroin use is increasing throughout the US, which is why many police departments have authorized budget expenditures for Narcan to be carried by officers. Narcan, usually in spray form, can be squirted into the nose of an overdosed user to immediately reverse the effects of the heroin (or other opiate). Since the police are often the first to arrive on the scene often before EMTs, they are being trained and given authority to administer Narcan in overdose cases. Basically, the Narcan binds to the opoid receptors in the brain, removing the opoid and reversing the overdose. You can read more here:
I find it irritating that it takes the death of a particular class of person ostensibly from an OD to garner attention. A good thing I guess but the poor swine are just that, poor swine as long as they die quietly from an overdose but if you are famous it's a national tragedy, bullpucky. If I would have hot spiked back in the 60's they would have rolled me in to the sewer. GV's grandchildren deserve the same concern and attention as this actor guy.
GV's grandchildren deserve the same concern and attention as this actor guy.
Thanks Roberto, and I understand you're talking about all kids in that situation.
The important thing is/was that ours had parents, grandparents and others that pursued help. Instead of giving up on these folks
we need to push them toward help. After that, they have to have the wanna to follow up. I thank God ours did.
The stars believe they're bullet proof and can handle anything. Little do they know.
Worst thing that could happen to someone you care about is for them to become famous. I am going to propose legislation the prohibits fame !! It's too dangerous to people and addiction runs rampant.
Most of the alcohol advertising basically says that "you can't possibly have a good time doing anything unless you are drinking" , this message is drilled into our kids heads thousands of times by the time they are of age and constantly drilled into everyone else's heads. The leap from alcohol to pot to harder drugs seems to come easily with this mindset.
I constantly worked my kids on getting their buzz in life from activity, we rode & raced dirt bikes, snow & water skied, hiked, bicycled…………..as they got older I always mentioned that we are having or had a great time without alcohol or other drugs. I love a few beers at the end of the day but alcohol and drugs have destroyed several lives in my family so I try to stay vigilant in keeping the mindset of "if you have to get high to have fun then you have a problem".
Youngest son got caught trying to buy pot (from a teacher !!) in middle school. His mother kept the info from me. Found out at an IEP meeting weeks later. Even at that late date I felt I needed to act. Without anger or rancor, I took him home (we were divorced on alternate week) sat him down in his room, searched his room completely, told him if he had anything he needed to get rid of it as I was going to the county sheriff who was a personal friend, and bring his drug dog over. I told him I would drug test him at various intervals (I had access to small kits) and if he dropped dirty or I found drugs I would take him to the Juvenile D Home ( the director was a friend also) and he would stay there until we decide what to do. Told him that I loved him and would do anything in my power as his father to prevent him from having a drug problem and the hard evidence was that the younger you started the greater the chance of addiction and drug abuse so when he was 18 he could do whatever he wanted as I could not stop him but till then I would do everything possible. He never dropped dirty and never any signs of use. Told me later that he used the random testing with his using friends to avoid using with them. His life has been far from smooth up to this juncture but he does not have a drug problem.
Youngest son got caught trying to buy pot (from a teacher !!) in middle school. His mother kept the info from me. Found out at an IEP meeting weeks later. Even at that late date I felt I needed to act. Without anger or rancor, I took him home (we were divorced on alternate week) sat him down in his room, searched his room completely, told him if he had anything he needed to get rid of it as I was going to the county sheriff who was a personal friend, and bring his drug dog over. I told him I would drug test him at various intervals (I had access to small kits) and if he dropped dirty or I found drugs I would take him to the Juvenile D Home ( the director was a friend also) and he would stay there until we decide what to do. Told him that I loved him and would do anything in my power as his father to prevent him from having a drug problem and the hard evidence was that the younger you started the greater the chance of addiction and drug abuse so when he was 18 he could do whatever he wanted as I could not stop him but till then I would do everything possible. He never dropped dirty and never any signs of use. Told me later that he used the random testing with his using friends to avoid using with them. His life has been far from smooth up to this juncture but he does not have a drug problem.
Roberto: My wife and I went to a program put on from "Not My Kid" which is an advocacy and informational group that fights drug addiction in kids. The statistics regarding our kids using drugs are daunting. Not My Kid advocated for regular drug testing which we did weekly. We also laid out the consequences of a positive test. My son who is now at ASU will tell you that the drug testing saved his life and completely turned him around. In my opinion, there is no other way to enforce or know for sure except to test as no or very few kids are going to admit to drug use. Not My Kid says that kids use the drug testing as an excuse to their friends to not participate: "My parents test me every week and if I test positive my parents will call all of my friends parents and tell them I tested positive, so you all will get busted, I also lose driving, phone, allowance and other privileges" . This may sound harsh but it works.
The drug and heavy alcohol culture in American society is sad. With so many opportunities to experience great things the negative aspects of drug and heavy alcohol use are hard to understand and usually damage families, health, individuals and entire lives.
Yep Dirtsurfer, we too had the test kit,and we often heard them talk to their friends- "No I can't do that, my parents are crazy- they have test strips and will use them!" It was a great excuse for them, but kept them safe.
I guess maybe it can Jerry, I've had no experience with those things, but you know what? Four hours on a beautiful golf course, enjoying the sun, friendship of your buddies,
the fabulous wildlife, the mountains, the scenery and maybe a couple beers with your buddies afterward can send you on an even better path.
J: i have always read that peyote was mainly used to hallucinate and then make a person sick so they puke up the evil demons inside of them. I walked into a dorm room at NAU once and the entire floor was covered with peyote buttons in the drying mode--it was weird but I guess a good business.
GV Jack said:
I guess maybe it can Jerry, I've had no experience with those things, but you know what? Four hours on a beautiful golf course, enjoying the sun, friendship of your buddies,
the fabulous wildlife, the mountains, the scenery and maybe a couple beers with your buddies afterward can send you on an even better path.
Jack: I concur! For us, a great dirt bike ride, water ski run, hike, downhill ski run….all make for the very best endorphins.
I sort of miss drugs myself,A little peyote on a blood moon can set you on a better path.
psilocybin, the active component within psychedelic mushrooms, is able to grow new brain cells—potentially offering treatment for mental illness and improving cognition... http://collectivelyconscious.net/articles/psychedelic-mushroom-compound-found-to-grow-and-repair-brain-cells/ According to research from the University of South Florida, psilocybin, the active component within psychedelic mushrooms, is able to grow new brain cells—potentially offering treatment for mental illness and improving cognition.
According to research from the University of South Florida, psilocybin, the active component within psychedelic mushrooms, is able to grow new brain cells—potentially offering treatment for mental illness and improving cognition.
According to research from the University of South Florida, psilocybin, the active component within psychedelic mushrooms, is able to grow new brain cells—potentially offering treatment for mental illness and improving cognition.
jerry said:
I sort of miss drugs myself,A little peyote on a blood moon can set you on a better path.