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Sandy Beach Jetty Construction

Started by VegasDude · Feb 16, 2014 · 135 replies
VegasDude
Well, ..........its stopped. Trucks are not running. Dozers are not moving rock. According to the workman at the site that I spoke to , the truck drivers haven't been paid in a month, so they stopped. The tractor drivers were still working a couple of days ago but they too have stopped. They were digging out the rock in the center of the jetty because of an oil spill from the trucks but even that has stopped. Kinda quiet now. Somebody needs to pay these folks so they can continue.
mis2810
We were on the beach almost all day yesterday and no, nothing was happening. But, there were tons of huge brown jellyfish in the water. Big ones - some the size of basketballs. Never have seen that before. Is that normal for this time of year?

5 or 6 dolphins yesterday as well. It was beautiful!
wildtoucan
I sure hope this gets resolved....seems like a lot of $$$ is being "spent" around town and hopefully there is enough to pay for it all.

Never seen jelly fish this time of year but i have also not gone in it. Sounds like there has been some strange ocean " phenomenons" going on down there these past few months.

How awesome you are seeing so many dolphins.....i want to be there!
brokenwave
Is SBR involved with this project ??
If so, I hope it's not like other SBR projects.
There is a long trail of unpaid vendors and potential condo owners without anything.
I really hope that isn't the case.
Kenny
VegasDude said:
They were digging out the rock in the center of the jetty because of an oil spill from the trucks but even that has stopped.

The center as in where they drive as they go to the end to drop their load? No kidding, the equipment is so bad it's leaking that much oil?
Wow, if they are so concerned about the pollution at this stage of the game that they are already removing what they've just laid down; well you can finish that sentence.
Miakko
Not good news:( we were over there Friday and there were no trucks running either just a couple of dozers moving boulders around. Don't know who is in charge of paying these drivers but they should be paid asap so they can get back to work.
VegasDude
Jogged by there this morning, Gates are closed and locked. Nobody around. Trucks and dozers are gone.

We saw the 5 or 6 dolphins. ..........and there were about 50 or 60 0ther ones with them. Lotsa dolphins everyday now.
MIRAMAR
Hopefullly the dolphin are eating the jellyfush!
dmcauley
The local truckers are pissed off because they are using out of state personnel to do the work. It would not be a bad idea to keep some of the money local
mis2810
I was just down on the beach and heard some "thunder", but didn't see any trucks from where I was.
BP314
We heard that there was a "sink hole" that occurred in the pier. They had to shut down to make repairs to that. At least that's the latest "story"......
Kenny
BP314 said:
We heard that there was a "sink hole" that occurred in the pier. They had to shut down to make repairs to that. At least that's the latest "story"......

A sink hole on our fishing Jetty? Now that's what I call progress.:D
Landshark
The only thing we have established is the shutdown is due to a hole. A sink hole, an oil spill hole, or an a-hole. I tend to believe it's due to the a-hole that hasn't paid the workers.
jerry
Using outside truck drivers really sucks.In the boom the condo grifters did the same thing...rockypoint ends up cleaning up the mess and feeding families living in cardboard shacks...
Mexico Joe
Let me hear all the cheerleaders saying this is good for the Rocky Point citizens! Where's Mikeheadinthesand and Eric?!
jerry
Joe I was thinking the Jetty as it sits could be good for one of those Evel Knieval style stunts for spring break.Maybe a van stuffed with real estate professionals driven by a dare devil tourism booster clad in a Mexican Flag jump suit all chanting " now is a good time to buy" as the flaming extended van arched toward the sea......
Pinky
jerry said:
Joe I was thinking the Jetty as it sits could be good for one of those Evel Knieval style stunts for spring break.Maybe a van stuffed with real estate professionals driven by a dare devil tourism booster clad in a Mexican Flag jump suit all chanting " now is a good time to buy" as the flaming extended van arched toward the sea......


This would make for an excellent closing ceremony to Boomer Fest Days!
HILL BOY
Latest rumor running out of rock waiting to get a blasting permit also drivers not being paid the guy who signs the checks is not around. So who got the money???
mis2810
I thought someone said they were worried about the effects on the condos of blasting rock?
tequilatodd
HILL BOY said:
Latest rumor running out of rock waiting to get a blasting permit also drivers not being paid the guy who signs the checks is not around. So who got the money???

Running out of rock? I had asked in a different thread where all the rock was coming from and someone said it was plentiful. Guess not.
mis2810
They say it's coming from Black Mountain - just west of Competition Hill. There's plenty of it, but it's getting it loose is the problem - I think.
BootNHat
Everything will be fine mañana .... mañana.
jerry
From Defrente...on other sketchy dealings involving some of the players in this deal...end result the people of Penasco lose 4000000 US dollars!


The cesspool of irregularities orders Congress of the State revert DATION in payment with land in administration of ZEPEDA paid taxes and transfers of domain for 40 million with an area of 700 thousand pesos is uncovered by: Alberto Aldrete Valdez PTO. PENASCO SONORA order for reverse operation of the Convention enactment of payment between the municipality and the company Beach dream S. A. de C.V. represented by his legal guardian, Reyel Taylor Prat, held on 23 December 2011, was sent to the current municipal administration by the State Congress, taking account of the observation made by the ISAFwhich caused that you happened the public account from 2012.
This was informed by the controller Municipal José Alfredo Souza Cabrera, noting that a series of irregularities were committed in the transaction all serious, suffering commune therefore a breach of some more of 40 million pesos, for which is has already begun administrative proceedings against four officials of the previous administration formed by the then Mayor Alejandro Zepeda Munro; its trustee Noah Banaga Farias; who was the Secretary of the Town Hall and today Councillor Jose Ramon Campos Santos and the then municipal treasurer Cecilio Vásquez Ordaz, also against the substitute public notary Lic. Eleazar Jiménez Zamorano, who allegedly carried out the deed to ignore irregularities committed.
He said the Comptroller that the Superior Institute of audit and supervision in their reviews in non-current assets noted that dated December 23, 2011 held a Convention of dation in payment and purchase and sale of land identified as 6C40 fraction of the venue "La Cholla", with key cadastral 12-114-037 with an area of 8,500 square meters, of which 8,152 meters correspond to the enactment of payment and the rest1,348 to a sale that was paid with resources from the City Council.
The agreement stipulated pay to the municipality by the real estate dream S.A. de C.V. Enterprise debts in the amount of $34´973, 102 pesos per concept of taxes and transfers of domain for the years 2008 to 2012, giving dation in payment 8,152 square meters.
By mutual agreement between the parties, determined that the value per square metre of the land out of $4,290 pesos, regardless of that valuation any moment, wasn't until 8 February 2012 the company requested the valuation of the land to the Eng. Cecilia Arciga Ramírez, who determined a value of $4,290 pesos M2, i.e.the expert valuadora was adjusted, inflating the price agreed by the seller and the buyer, even if the rateable value for the year 2012, according to the unit values of land authorized by the H. Congress of the State established a value of $100 pesos the square meter.
The other irregular operation carried out was that other terrain 1,348-square-meters, taking into account the same value, are paid by electronic bank transfer made on 18 January 2012 in favor of real estate dream S. A. de C.V., the amount of $5´781, 900 pesos, as a result of both operations clearly irregular, not to say criminal, led to several observations on the part of the ISAF, as it was that it had not been considered undergo that operation the Council agreement as stated in article 61, section II; that property is not registered in the assets of the City Council; that the two deeds in the Icreson; nor have registered kind of payment are not applicable domain transfers as established by article 4 of the law of municipal revenue, and that in observance of the same article provides that in relation to the acceptance of property in kind of payment in all cases, the value must be less than three-fourths of the rateable value or marketmeaning that it must be that throw the smallest value, which in this case must have been $75 m square meter.
The origin of this debit is multi-company, as promoter tourist Playa Escondida; Real estate Beach dream; Gustavo Brown Tarin; Real estate Punta Pelican; Beach Club The Reef; Nubia Brown; SBR steel structures; Development near the sea; Cliff Bay; House white and Emerald, among others, for the years 2008 to 2012.
In this case and by this operation clearly fraudulent, City Hall suffered an asset loss ceasing to receive 40 million pesos, and worse still, spend another 5 million 781 thousand dollars that paid for other terrain.
According to detailed the controller, the remarks made by the ISAF, were as follows: to)-was not submitted for consideration of the Town Hall (Cabildo) purchase the land for sale.
(b) there was accounted for the received property on the occasion of the purchase sale.
c.-the acquisition was performed directly without ensuring the best conditions to the municipality.
(d) was taken in common agreement between the parties a value of land of $4,290 pesos square meter, however the price of square meter, according to mechanics described in article 4 of the law of income of the municipality of Puerto Peñasco, is $100 pesos a square meter.
The foregoing was derived that the city pay the very high figure of $40 million 755 pesos, and must have paid $746,194 pesos, which constitutes a high breaking to finance municipal, in return, is not known that benefits four officials for making that transaction, receive even though it agrees and becomes suspicious the fact that surrounding land are now close to the involved relatives name.
For all of the above, the higher Institute of audit and oversight (Isaf) determined that she is violated several regulations of the law on Government and Municipal Administration; the cadastral law and registry of the State; the law of municipal revenue; the Municipal governmental accounting law and the law of responsibility of public servants.
Therefore the State Congress sent last week a law to justify the motive or reason for each and every one of the comments, and accredit 1.-authorization of the City Hall for the celebration of the purchase; 2. the accounting register of the field object of the purchase; 3. the public tender for the acquisition of land and 4.-the destination that you will be given the good, also the controls established for the purpose of that not happening again this situation, informing the ISAF.
It should be noted that copies of the full record of that operation are held by this newspaper, same which made us arrive in his time, the then Treasurer Municipal Cecilio Vasquez Ordaz, when at that time reported this agreement, in order to "check that all was well".
Many things in the view of the Municipal Comptroller Jose Alfredo Souza, can be solved with 40 million pesos not admitted this breach in finance could resolve many of the financial problems that have been facing the commune, as for example, liquidate the 36 billion pesos that are owed to the Isssteson and which were inherited him by the two former municipal administrations; to buy patrols; for direct works; either to pay suppliers, which oxigenaría financially to City Hall.
The municipal official explained that this procedure initiated on June 10, 2013, when was notified the fact pursuant to its guarantee to four former City officials involved, however instead of rinse, they hired two lawyers, Julio Cesar Echeverria and Jorge Eduardo González Madrid, who showed the Special Committee composed of 4 aldermen, and vulgar and rude way they tried to disqualify the procedure.
They would then the ISAF, at the same time did its job, coincide in their judgments that this operation was full of vices, by which the State Congress issued mentioned, same order that does not comply with it they incur the crime of omission.
He explained that each dependency is fulfilling the responsibility that corresponds, Comptroller in its role as monitor; Treasury in the collection of defaulted loans; Cabildo, giving authority to reverse, canceling the operation, and the trustee in its role as guardian of the city bringing criminal and civil claims before the Public Ministry of the common law.
The punishment for officials, according to the controller, is to replace the damage done, a fine of one hundred per cent of the amount, that is 40 million, also in administrative could be disabled up to 10 years for public office, criminal matters shall be prosecutors who determined according to the degree of crimes that imputing them to everyone.
For its part the municipal President Prof. Gerardo Figueroa asserted in this or in any other case there are political persecution, or personal or partisan, because they are obeying an order from the Congress of the State and have to obey, otherwise, if not met them would be criminal responsibilities, this administration and those involved rather than they do, stressed.
HILL BOY
tequilatodd said:
Running out of rock? I had asked in a different thread where all the rock was coming from and someone said it was plentiful. Guess not.

That is why they have to start blasting to make more rock
ben21
So millions of dollars allocated by the government, and they can't pay workers?
HILL BOY said:
drivers not being paid the guy who signs the checks is not around. So who got the money???


Great questions, I was wondering the same thing. Wasn't there millions of USD allocated for this?

As for the rock shortage... Why didn't they just build a pier? Would have looked better, and been much easier to take down when/if this things fails.
Estero
jerry said:
From Defrente...on other sketchy dealings involving some of the players in this deal...end result the people of Penasco lose 4000000 US dollars!


The cesspool of irregularities orders Congress of the State revert DATION in payment with land in administration of ZEPEDA paid taxes and transfers of domain for 40 million with an area of 700 thousand pesos is uncovered by: Alberto Aldrete Valdez PTO. PENASCO SONORA order for reverse operation of the Convention enactment of payment between the municipality and the company Beach dream S. A. de C.V. represented by his legal guardian, Reyel Taylor Prat, held on 23 December 2011, was sent to the current municipal administration by the State Congress, taking account of the observation made by the ISAFwhich caused that you happened the public account from 2012.
This was informed by the controller Municipal José Alfredo Souza Cabrera, noting that a series of irregularities were committed in the transaction all serious, suffering commune therefore a breach of some more of 40 million pesos, for which is has already begun administrative proceedings against four officials of the previous administration formed by the then Mayor Alejandro Zepeda Munro; its trustee Noah Banaga Farias; who was the Secretary of the Town Hall and today Councillor Jose Ramon Campos Santos and the then municipal treasurer Cecilio Vásquez Ordaz, also against the substitute public notary Lic. Eleazar Jiménez Zamorano, who allegedly carried out the deed to ignore irregularities committed.
He said the Comptroller that the Superior Institute of audit and supervision in their reviews in non-current assets noted that dated December 23, 2011 held a Convention of dation in payment and purchase and sale of land identified as 6C40 fraction of the venue "La Cholla", with key cadastral 12-114-037 with an area of 8,500 square meters, of which 8,152 meters correspond to the enactment of payment and the rest1,348 to a sale that was paid with resources from the City Council.
The agreement stipulated pay to the municipality by the real estate dream S.A. de C.V. Enterprise debts in the amount of $34´973, 102 pesos per concept of taxes and transfers of domain for the years 2008 to 2012, giving dation in payment 8,152 square meters.
By mutual agreement between the parties, determined that the value per square metre of the land out of $4,290 pesos, regardless of that valuation any moment, wasn't until 8 February 2012 the company requested the valuation of the land to the Eng. Cecilia Arciga Ramírez, who determined a value of $4,290 pesos M2, i.e.the expert valuadora was adjusted, inflating the price agreed by the seller and the buyer, even if the rateable value for the year 2012, according to the unit values of land authorized by the H. Congress of the State established a value of $100 pesos the square meter.
The other irregular operation carried out was that other terrain 1,348-square-meters, taking into account the same value, are paid by electronic bank transfer made on 18 January 2012 in favor of real estate dream S. A. de C.V., the amount of $5´781, 900 pesos, as a result of both operations clearly irregular, not to say criminal, led to several observations on the part of the ISAF, as it was that it had not been considered undergo that operation the Council agreement as stated in article 61, section II; that property is not registered in the assets of the City Council; that the two deeds in the Icreson; nor have registered kind of payment are not applicable domain transfers as established by article 4 of the law of municipal revenue, and that in observance of the same article provides that in relation to the acceptance of property in kind of payment in all cases, the value must be less than three-fourths of the rateable value or marketmeaning that it must be that throw the smallest value, which in this case must have been $75 m square meter.
The origin of this debit is multi-company, as promoter tourist Playa Escondida; Real estate Beach dream; Gustavo Brown Tarin; Real estate Punta Pelican; Beach Club The Reef; Nubia Brown; SBR steel structures; Development near the sea; Cliff Bay; House white and Emerald, among others, for the years 2008 to 2012.
In this case and by this operation clearly fraudulent, City Hall suffered an asset loss ceasing to receive 40 million pesos, and worse still, spend another 5 million 781 thousand dollars that paid for other terrain.
According to detailed the controller, the remarks made by the ISAF, were as follows: to)-was not submitted for consideration of the Town Hall (Cabildo) purchase the land for sale.
(b) there was accounted for the received property on the occasion of the purchase sale.
c.-the acquisition was performed directly without ensuring the best conditions to the municipality.
(d) was taken in common agreement between the parties a value of land of $4,290 pesos square meter, however the price of square meter, according to mechanics described in article 4 of the law of income of the municipality of Puerto Peñasco, is $100 pesos a square meter.
The foregoing was derived that the city pay the very high figure of $40 million 755 pesos, and must have paid $746,194 pesos, which constitutes a high breaking to finance municipal, in return, is not known that benefits four officials for making that transaction, receive even though it agrees and becomes suspicious the fact that surrounding land are now close to the involved relatives name.
For all of the above, the higher Institute of audit and oversight (Isaf) determined that she is violated several regulations of the law on Government and Municipal Administration; the cadastral law and registry of the State; the law of municipal revenue; the Municipal governmental accounting law and the law of responsibility of public servants.
Therefore the State Congress sent last week a law to justify the motive or reason for each and every one of the comments, and accredit 1.-authorization of the City Hall for the celebration of the purchase; 2. the accounting register of the field object of the purchase; 3. the public tender for the acquisition of land and 4.-the destination that you will be given the good, also the controls established for the purpose of that not happening again this situation, informing the ISAF.
It should be noted that copies of the full record of that operation are held by this newspaper, same which made us arrive in his time, the then Treasurer Municipal Cecilio Vasquez Ordaz, when at that time reported this agreement, in order to "check that all was well".
Many things in the view of the Municipal Comptroller Jose Alfredo Souza, can be solved with 40 million pesos not admitted this breach in finance could resolve many of the financial problems that have been facing the commune, as for example, liquidate the 36 billion pesos that are owed to the Isssteson and which were inherited him by the two former municipal administrations; to buy patrols; for direct works; either to pay suppliers, which oxigenaría financially to City Hall.
The municipal official explained that this procedure initiated on June 10, 2013, when was notified the fact pursuant to its guarantee to four former City officials involved, however instead of rinse, they hired two lawyers, Julio Cesar Echeverria and Jorge Eduardo González Madrid, who showed the Special Committee composed of 4 aldermen, and vulgar and rude way they tried to disqualify the procedure.
They would then the ISAF, at the same time did its job, coincide in their judgments that this operation was full of vices, by which the State Congress issued mentioned, same order that does not comply with it they incur the crime of omission.
He explained that each dependency is fulfilling the responsibility that corresponds, Comptroller in its role as monitor; Treasury in the collection of defaulted loans; Cabildo, giving authority to reverse, canceling the operation, and the trustee in its role as guardian of the city bringing criminal and civil claims before the Public Ministry of the common law.
The punishment for officials, according to the controller, is to replace the damage done, a fine of one hundred per cent of the amount, that is 40 million, also in administrative could be disabled up to 10 years for public office, criminal matters shall be prosecutors who determined according to the degree of crimes that imputing them to everyone.
For its part the municipal President Prof. Gerardo Figueroa asserted in this or in any other case there are political persecution, or personal or partisan, because they are obeying an order from the Congress of the State and have to obey, otherwise, if not met them would be criminal responsibilities, this administration and those involved rather than they do, stressed.


The same thing was attempted (unsuccessfully) in other areas of Penasco by the same group.
tequilatodd
I didn't think they would have to resort to blasting.
This is starting to look bad....just my 2c
HILL BOY
mis2810 said:
I thought someone said they were worried about the effects on the condos of blasting rock?


That was last week and that information came from the guy flagging trucks. He should know what is going on He be in charge of flagging trucks.
mexicoruss
Went by there today on a tour and they are in full swing at the Jetty. Literally tons or rock being delivered. Lots of construction of what appears to be loading and unloading ramps for construction stuff there too.
HILL BOY
mexicoruss said:
Went by there today on a tour and they are in full swing at the Jetty. Literally tons or rock being delivered. Lots of construction of what appears to be loading and unloading ramps for construction stuff there too.


Russ went home today 7:30 am not much going on. I don't know what those concrete structures are going to be used for who knows. But to me it looks like the drivers have not been paid yet only one truck!! Hope they get their stuff together to much bad stuff to soon!! Sept. completion before the existing governor leaves office is only a pipe dream.
HILL BOY
Have to say just spent six days down, Whale watching beer drinking fun with friends and have to say never have we enjoyed the most perfect weather for this amount of time no wind, Sun Sea like glass perfect shorts. Love this place!! be back next week.
MIRAMAR
Love this place!! be back next week.
We're coming down too- can't wait!
playaperro
mis2810 said:
They say it's coming from Black Mountain - just west of Competition Hill. There's plenty of it, but it's getting it loose is the problem - I think.

Who you getting directions from Melisa (the corvina)?
mis2810
playaperro said:
Who you getting directions from Melisa (the corvina)?

LOL!!! I thought that was the mountain! It looks like where they're coming from! Isn't the area just next to it where they ride the quads up the big hill?
Terry C
Black Mountain is across the bay, North of Cholla Bay
mis2810
Terry C said:
Black Mountain is across the bay, North of Cholla Bay


OOOPS - thanks! Roberto was the one who gave me the directions. :p
GV Jack
You're luckey you didn't end up in jail like I did. Never ask that man...ask Dee. She knows what's going on.:rolleyes:
playaperro
mis2810 said:
OOOPS - thanks! Roberto was the one who gave me the directions. :p

El Ciego Roberto never saw the palm trees in 8 years he's been here! Yes, he is one of the corvina.
jerry
http://www.pinterest.com/gronalund/we-love-roller-coasters/ we need a damn roller coaster.....
RockyPointBeachBum
Ive been in RP for the last 10 days....Very impressed w/ all the construction around town!! New paved roads, new landscaping, new restaurant going in & tourists everywhere......I went down to the cruise port today and there were at least 30 dump trucks dumping rock, 2 huge excavators working, 2 big tractors doing there thing.. I spoke w/ a truck driver & he was a local guy who said he was getting paid just fine & there was no oil leak...He said the temporary stop was due to the rock quarry getting the right sized rocks ready. ( 200 locals employed currently & only 21 out siders employed )..

Read the factual port information in link below from the city & the contractor......
http://www.sonoranresorts.mx/part-ii-economic-impact-of-puerto-penasco-home-port/?utm_source=March+2014+Newsletter&utm_campaign=March+2014+Newsletter&utm_medium=email
jerry
It hit me as I was sitting on our beach in Santo Tomas in front of a bondfire two weeks ago (while Joe was returning via the coastal highway on the 35 minute drive from Lobos) reliving the weekend which included a day at the amazing Puerto Lobos where I mooched a beer off Lee and his buddies and some smoked salmon one of the guys had caught in Alaska as we sat around and watched peaceful sea,At that bondfire moment it occurred to me Dirtsurfer,Terry,Mirramar etc. at the other southern beaches were doing some similar version of the same slow wind down that is the Norther Sonoran beach experience.Meanwhile our forum friends in Cholla and Sandy beach now view the growing Jetty ....sorry for you guys and hope it goes better than I think t will.
Last edited: Mar 5, 2014 at 7:19 AM
dry heat
Jerry, loved the 1st part of you post and then came the second part that again is filled with wishes and dreams for bad.
dirtsurfer
J: two weeks ago I had a fire on the beach that you must have been able to see from Santo Thomas. BTW: my beach experience has been completely ruined by the Mayan Palace development and I for sure am coming your way to share a fire & a beer as soon as I can :)
jerry
dry heat said:
Jerry, loved the 1st part of you post and then came the second part that again is filled with wishes and dreams for bad.

Ok changed it a bit ...still think you are doomed!
jerry
dirtsurfer said:
J: two weeks ago I had a fire on the beach that you must have been able to see from Santo Thomas. BTW: my beach experience has been completely ruined by the Mayan Palace development and I for sure am coming your way to share a fire & a beer as soon as I can :)

We will have fun too....full moon headed north at low tide is a fine a atv ride.....just a great mix of people .Ex U o A athletes Jessie and Andy and the Alaskans have added to the mix good cigars,fine tequila and a great Thailand cuisine from my Alaska friend Noi.
HILL BOY
Going to JJ's for Uof A game I don't want any negative Vibs. Today no wind great friends walk @ low tide in the bay. Have a great night. Go Cats!!!
Estero
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpenascodigital.com%2F2014%2Fhomeport-penasco-aguas-turbias-29072.html&act=url
Mexico Joe
Estero said:



So basically what many of us have been saying since conception...
jerry
Mexico Joe said:
So basically what many of us have been saying since conception...

Except this guy says it is being built by criminals...yikes, as I am having to much fun in this stage of my life to want to end up a pile of severed body parts stuffed in a oil drum floating off the beautiful yet fetal matter contaminated waters off Las Conchas I might just shut the hell up about this White Elephant.
mis2810
Not only in Mexico. Halliburton.
Kelney
Wow, shocker. I am just curious how much of this fiasco gets built before the project stalls, dies and turns into another eyesore.
Landshark
Wahoo said:
This looks like Boomer Fest like fiasco in the making.

Boomerfest is just around the corner...June 11-15 2014!!! Get your tickets now!
Terry C
They signed Charley Pride to sing!!
JimMcG
The way things are shaping up and always looking on the bright side, we might be better off with just a new 'as built' fishing jetty.o_O
mis2810
JimMcG said:
The way things are shaping up and always looking on the bright side, we might be better off with just a new 'as built' fishing jetty.o_O


Santa Monica Pier.
Kenny
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence.
Landshark
Kenny said:
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence.

Boomerfest could only dream...
HILL BOY
Sunday! No work again heard truckers not being paid. See what happens today.
HILL BOY
Just got back trucks running again hard at it. Who knows one day work one day no work!!!
HILL BOY
JimMcG said:
The way things are shaping up and always looking on the bright side, we might be better off with just a new 'as built' fishing jetty.o_O



Get the pole lets go fishing
brokenwave
I drove by Sandy Beach today and noticed there aren't any RV's camping on it.
Over the last 5 years there were always 20-30 camps set-up during Spring Break.
Has the Port construction ended access to the beach?
MIRAMAR
I was there on Friday night and the trucks were going strong.
wildtoucan
There was rvs at the reef all last week.
HILL BOY
MIRAMAR said:
I was there on Fri
brokenwave said:
I drove by Sandy Beach today and noticed there aren't any RV's camping on it.
Over the last 5 years there were always 20-30 camps set-up during Spring Break.
Has the Port construction ended access to the beach?


They are going to open the Beach for Easter holiday for camping but after that who knows. they are moving the guard shack out to the main road for beach access.
garyd
HILL BOY said:
Just got back trucks running again hard at it. Who knows one day work one day no work!!!

Sunday is usually a day off
HILL BOY
HILL BOY said:


They are going to open the beach for the Easter crowd but after that is any ones guess. They are moving the guard shack out by the main road.
brokenwave
Looks like I have to find another beach to visit. Any suggestions not more than 10-20 miles away other than Mi Playa or Black Mtn area?
mexicoruss
brokenwave said:
Looks like I have to find another beach to visit. Any suggestions not more than 10-20 miles away other than Mi Playa or Black Mtn area?

Encanto is nice, the end of Penesula Las Conchas is nice too 4x4 required.
HILL BOY
mexicoruss said:
Encanto is nice, the end of Penesula Las Conchas is nice too 4x4 required.


I thought the Beach by Encanto was off limits to ATV riding and their Beach they claim is private. Had some guy run out all puffed up and said your not taking your ATV on my beach! wanted to run him over but I let it go. Their is always the RV parking @ the reef at least for now. Sad! Sad! Sad! see what progress will do to the old days.
Landshark
Yes, ATV's are not permitted on the beach in Playa Encanto. Security will not permit you to enter the subdivision with ATV's if you are not an owner and will not permit anyone to ride on the beach per Mexican law. Please don't try to run them over.

You are welcome to visit the beach. It is a beautiful and safe place to hang out at.
Terry C
Playa Encanto beach is not private.
Effective 11/1/2003, there is no recreational vehicle riding on the beach allowed.

Present by means of this letter and in compliance with the current covenants and codes in this municipality which are of general observance, we inform you that it is prohibited the circulation of vehicles on the beaches only with the exception of the strictly necessary to do beach clean up activities, launch and land private recreation watercraft that are not commercial or for profit.assured that compliance with the above.

I am cordially at your orders.

Sincerely

the director of public safety

cmdte. ramon gildardo parra elias

c.c.p. mayor for your knowledge

c.c.p. secretary of the city, for the same purpose

COURTESY TRANSLATION
brokenwave
Wow, we used to head to the beach just past Encanto and ride our ATV's and buggies all the way to where the Mayan is today.
A really spectacular stretch of beach.
Are there any beaches to the south you can still take a vehicle on without getting harassed?
HILL BOY
OK I have now been scolded. I should have said I saw the sign and stopped but he still came running out like a old bull and it was not necessary it was just the attitude which made us all feel we were not welcome.
Terry C
brokenwave said:
Wow, we used to head to the beach just past Encanto and ride our ATV's and buggies all the way to where the Mayan is today.
A really spectacular stretch of beach.
Are there any beaches to the south you can still take a vehicle on without getting harassed?


Just East of Playa Encanto you can ride for miles on the beach till the next subdivision and the guards will stop you.
HILL BOY
brokenwave said:
Wow, we used to head to the beach just past Encanto and ride our ATV's and buggies all the way to where the Mayan is today.
A really spectacular stretch of beach.
Are there any beaches to the south you can still take a vehicle on without getting harassed?


We go N of Laguna Shores not much but it is still some beach to ride on
Terry C
HILL BOY said:
OK I have now been scolded. I should have said I saw the sign and stopped but he still came running out like a old bull and it was not necessary it was just the attitude which made us all feel we were not welcome.



You may have been at Estero de Morua.
ron
Terry C said:
Just East of Playa Encanto you can ride for miles on the beach till the next subdivision and the guards will stop you.

Terry,
What is considered the East end of Playa Encanto?
mexicoruss
I did not know we were looking for a place to ride. I thought just a quiet beach
Terry C
ron said:
Terry,
What is considered the East end of Playa Encanto?


The guard house. East of Paradise Villas you can go for a ride.
Landshark
HILL BOY said:
OK I have now been scolded. I should have said I saw the sign and stopped but he still came running out like a old bull and it was not necessary it was just the attitude which made us all feel we were not welcome.

I would have felt the same way! You're not the first guy Terry has pissed off! LOL
Terry C
I think he was talking to you landshark!! :D
Landshark
Terry C said:
I think he was talking to you landshark!! :D

I know that, but you chased him off the beach!!:D:D
jerry
brokenwave said:
Wow, we used to head to the beach just past Encanto and ride our ATV's and buggies all the way to where the Mayan is today.
A really spectacular stretch of beach.
Are there any beaches to the south you can still take a vehicle on without getting harassed?

You can go from Santo Tomas to Puerto Lobos with a few zigs inland....have the guy with the pickup truck and Atv trailer drive to lobos and fish until you show up......I would not do it after a big storm event.....quicksand happens....
Landshark
Messing with everybody here today. Hill Boy, don't blame you a bit. I like riding on the beach too...a lot. Was really bummed when they said it had to stop but soon realized it was nice to sit at the water's edge without fear of being run over. Some of the residents really wanted the beach driving to stop and got kind of aggressive once it was official. They didn't mean any harm. And no, Terry wasn't the guy that threw you off the beach! Sorry Terry, bored today. Terry is the good guy in Encanto with his HOA involvement, newsletters, etc.
Kenny
I've always thought it was my responsibility to protect the bird sanctuary at the Murua estuary not only because I love it so much, it needs it! Over the years I've been real nice with my approach to people with dogs, quads or bikes and a real mean lying SOB if I had to be... Deal is, it is, it's up to us! The worst are the people who point back up towards Encanto and say,"Oh I can go in, I have a place here".
I know probably renters, but still.
Landshark
Occasionally we see jet skis tearing around in the estuary. Never a way to tell them to get out but you sure want to. After reading your post Kenny, I'll have to try harder. Maybe renters, kids, or simply someone that just doesn't get it. Most of the time it's just a peaceful beautiful place.
Ladyjeeper
Terry, We drove on your beach 2 weeks ago because there were no signs telling us we couldn't. We are sorry but when you have a rad Jeep..........If we can't let us know and we won't any more..,..
Kenny
I've only jammed people who were on the other side of the cable and in the sanctuary Chari, but for you I'd make :D
brokenwave
mexicoruss said:
I did not know we were looking for a place to ride. I thought just a quiet beach

You're right Russ, Mainly looking for a place to set up some shade and enjoy the view.
As long as I can bring my SUV or buggy to where I am for easy load/un-loading of beach chairs and stuff.
I know if I want to ride on the beach the best thing now is going towards El Golfo or way south
to Santo Tomas.
SeaSwell
We too live in Encanto and miss the good old days of driving slowly down the beach enjoying the ocean air and beautiful view. In my opinion, renters and kids ruined it for everyone. Now we putz around between developments. We have family that cannot walk far so we take them there for a view.
jerry
SeaSwell said:
We too live in Encanto and miss the good old days of driving slowly down the beach enjoying the ocean air and beautiful view. In my opinion, renters and kids ruined it for everyone. Now we putz around between developments. We have family that cannot walk far so we take them there for a view.

Damn, if you can't take your Atv to the beach how do you get your kayaks down or load up a panga?
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SeaSwell
We can launch or retrieve a boat, but then off the beach.
jerry
SeaSwell said:
We can launch or retrieve a boat, but then off the beach.

i must admit it is a bit weird being the redneck that wants to have his damn Atv on the playa annoying everyone else.For setting up a sun shade,bringing down the mini weber you plan on using while grilling the Corvina you plan on catching with the rusted 3/4 oz cast master stuck on your handlebars( if you take time to stop playing your beach game
you make your long suffering friends play)it is a good tool.my old Honda rancher just keeps on going..

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HILL BOY
But come on down to Sandy Beach for Semana Santa and watch the Locals ride all over up and down and across that beach leave so much trash it takes a wind storm to flush it into the Sea LOL double standards? Mexican Law! bullshit
JimMcG
jerry said:
i must admit it is a bit weird being the redneck that wants to have his damn Atv on the playa annoying everyone else.For setting up a sun shade,bringing down the mini weber you plan on using while grilling the Corvina you plan on catching with the rusted 3/4 oz cast master stuck on your handlebars( if you take time to stop playing your beach game
you make your long suffering friends play)it is a good tool.my old Honda rancher just keeps on going..

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That surely pales in comparison to those with high rider pickups traveling at max speed up and down the beach.:D
asprinkles
HILL BOY said:
But come on down to Sandy Beach for Semana Santa and watch the Locals ride all over up and down and across that beach leave so much trash it takes a wind storm to flush it into the Sea LOL double standards? Mexican Law! bullshit

You are in there country,Leigh Either you love it or Leave. Don"t have to except it
HILL BOY
asprinkles said:
You are in there country,Leigh Either you love it or Leave. Don"t have to except it


OK so if they come to your Beach race up and down leave trash almost run over you it is OK because it is their country no RESPECT!!! I still say BULLSHIT.
jerry
HILL BOY said:
OK so if they come to your Beach race up and down leave trash almost run over you it is OK because it is their country no RESPECT!!! I still say BULLSHIT.

Hillboy...you have a good spirt but if you ever came to Lees place on Easter you will laugh at your comment


jerry
Note in Lobos where a lot of the action happens my friends sort of own the land ...suckered out of their money by con man extraordinaire Peter Hartwig they sit between the burning dump and the beach...it really is beautiful in a Monet sort of way.....I love Lobos!
HILL BOY
You know I have been coming down since 1963 have seen and done it all raised kids including myself! We can not go back in time but if it were possible I sure the hell would like to try. Love Cholla Sandy beach the Sandy Hill. Black Mt. and most of all thefriends I have met over the many years thank you all. I just wanted to say something positive. Now I can sleep better.