Week 1 Reason: Beach and Sea Polution
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The Homeport...A reason a week it is a bad idea
Started by jerry · Feb 3, 2015 · 437 replies
Great summary http://www.cruiseshipsinsavannah.com/major-issues-pollution.html
"A cruise ship moored at a terminal runs its engines 10-12 hours a day. That's because it must power an enormous set on on-board systems to serve the 2500-3000 people a typical vessel that would call at Savannah supports. The fuel burned by cruise ships is the worst--that is, the most polluting and damaging to health--you can choose. The cruise lines us it because it's cheap. It's cheap, of course, because the cruise corporations that own the ships don't have to pay for the sickness their exhausts create.
The World Health Organization officially classifies diesel as a carcinogen as of 2012, but the health risk isn't limited to cancer.
Studies point to the localized effects of diesel air pollution. The closer people are to the source of the pollution, the greater their risk for serious health problems because of the particle pollution in diesel soot. Particle pollution causes things like asthma, asthma attacks, heart attacks, and premature death.
Soot from diesel may be more toxic than particle pollution from other dangerous sources. Studies indicate that particulate pollution from mobile combustion sources increases daily mortality three times as much as the particulate pollution from coal. Experts say the more damaging effects are likely because fresh diesel exhaust contains particles so small they invade lung tissue and enter the bloodstream, causing effects like cardiovascular inflammation or blood clots.
Sulfur in ship fuel also is much dirtier and more dangerous than on-road diesel. Even at the cleanest fuel standard that will be required for ships in the next few years, trucks on city streets will still be 67 times cleaner than a cruise ship running its engines in port.
What's the bottom line? A cruise terminal on the river would significantly harm the air quality in downtown Savannah. The cruise lines don't care. Neither apparently do the proponents of building a terminal in the city. The consulting study purchased by the city at their request doesn't even address the issue.
As was the case in New York City, there are ways to address the pollution and health issue. To do so, however, you need political leaders who recognize the problem, act responsibly on behalf of the public to deal with it, and listen to the facts rather than satisfy themselves with slogans before they make serious decisions like whether or not to build a terminal. Is that the kind of leadership we have in Savannah? We'll see.
"A cruise ship moored at a terminal runs its engines 10-12 hours a day. That's because it must power an enormous set on on-board systems to serve the 2500-3000 people a typical vessel that would call at Savannah supports. The fuel burned by cruise ships is the worst--that is, the most polluting and damaging to health--you can choose. The cruise lines us it because it's cheap. It's cheap, of course, because the cruise corporations that own the ships don't have to pay for the sickness their exhausts create.
The World Health Organization officially classifies diesel as a carcinogen as of 2012, but the health risk isn't limited to cancer.
Studies point to the localized effects of diesel air pollution. The closer people are to the source of the pollution, the greater their risk for serious health problems because of the particle pollution in diesel soot. Particle pollution causes things like asthma, asthma attacks, heart attacks, and premature death.
Soot from diesel may be more toxic than particle pollution from other dangerous sources. Studies indicate that particulate pollution from mobile combustion sources increases daily mortality three times as much as the particulate pollution from coal. Experts say the more damaging effects are likely because fresh diesel exhaust contains particles so small they invade lung tissue and enter the bloodstream, causing effects like cardiovascular inflammation or blood clots.
Sulfur in ship fuel also is much dirtier and more dangerous than on-road diesel. Even at the cleanest fuel standard that will be required for ships in the next few years, trucks on city streets will still be 67 times cleaner than a cruise ship running its engines in port.
What's the bottom line? A cruise terminal on the river would significantly harm the air quality in downtown Savannah. The cruise lines don't care. Neither apparently do the proponents of building a terminal in the city. The consulting study purchased by the city at their request doesn't even address the issue.
As was the case in New York City, there are ways to address the pollution and health issue. To do so, however, you need political leaders who recognize the problem, act responsibly on behalf of the public to deal with it, and listen to the facts rather than satisfy themselves with slogans before they make serious decisions like whether or not to build a terminal. Is that the kind of leadership we have in Savannah? We'll see.
playaperro said:
If the city put on a 30 dollar a head tax for embarking passenger that would be something ...never happen
Once it going you will be just fine in your survivalist home, no food or gas near by!
Question...will there be Shoreline power? What is shoreside power and how does it work?
When a ship connects to shoreside power, it does not use its diesel engines to power the ship, but rather connects to the city's electrical grid to run its onboard systems.
After a ship docks, it's hooked up to the grid by what is essentially a large power plug; this takes roughly 30 to 40 minutes. Once connected, the ship's engines are then shut down until roughly a half-hour prior to departure, when the engines are restarted to prepare for departure. While the ship is plugged in, it releases hardly any fuel emissions.
When a ship connects to shoreside power, it does not use its diesel engines to power the ship, but rather connects to the city's electrical grid to run its onboard systems.
After a ship docks, it's hooked up to the grid by what is essentially a large power plug; this takes roughly 30 to 40 minutes. Once connected, the ship's engines are then shut down until roughly a half-hour prior to departure, when the engines are restarted to prepare for departure. While the ship is plugged in, it releases hardly any fuel emissions.
What those evil California environmentalists have forced on the industry:http://shipandbunker.com/news/am/250028-millions-of-dollars-being-spent-on-shore-side-power
jerry said:Question...will there be Shoreline power?
Laughable at best, Jerry. Penasco struggles to keep power (and water) available to the city itself, let alone to cruise ships on a dock. Especially during the warm months, blackouts are a fairly common thing as demand soars and the AC units all whir.
The cruise ships will be better off under their own on-board systems for power. Even though they share a common border, Mexico is light years away from California when it comes to environmental regulations.
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Stuart said:Laughable at best, Jerry. Penasco struggles to keep power (and water) available to the city itself, let alone to cruise ships on a dock. Especially during the warm months, blackouts are a fairly common thing as demand soars and the AC units all whir.
The cruise ships will be better off under their own on-board systems for power. Even though they share a common border, Mexico is light years away from California when it comes to environmental regulations.
this might be a good selling point to bring the old dirty ships to our homeport..."Shoreline Power we don't need no stinkin Shoreline Power) and pull ships away from San Diego.......hell they might even have a Screw the Environment cruise where the passengers can Harpoon Whales and throw garbage on the dolphins......
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playaperro said:
so in this article, they mention the number tourists that will be brought in on a cruise ship is comparable to events such as the RPR, CM and spring break.
A few things to point out. When the events mentioned above are here, nearly everyone has some sort of transportation.
Lets just say 2000 of the passengers decide to get off the ship and explore....is there or will there be enough taxis, vans or buses to get them from port to town?
How long are they gonna stay?
When all the other events are here, they get a room. If they are in port as long as other cruises, they will not be staying at a resort.
I'm just trying to see how this will generate the same kind of revenue that the Rally, CM and Spring Break do.
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tequilatodd said:so in this article, they mention the number tourists that will be brought in on a cruise ship is comparable to events such as the RPR, CM and spring break.
A few things to point out. When the events mentioned above are here, nearly everyone has some sort of transportation.
Lets just say 2000 of the passengers decide to get off the ship and explore....is there or will there be enough taxis, vans or buses to get them from port to town?
How long are they gonna stay?
When all the other events are here, they get a room. If they are in port as long as other cruises, they will not be staying at a resort.
I'm just trying to see how this will generate the same kind of revenue that the Rally, CM and Spring Break do.
Hopefully I'll be driving a nice shuttle!
For the port:
This blog is powered by www.sonoranresorts.mx, Jim Ringquist, Director of Sales and Marketing.
Negatives against:
“The Impact of Cruise Ship Generated Waste on Home Ports and Ports of Call: A Study of Southampton,” Marine Policy 31 (2007) 591–598, by Nickie Butt, School of Maritime and Coastal Studies, Southampton Solent University
Studies versus Marketing pretty much says it all.
This blog is powered by www.sonoranresorts.mx, Jim Ringquist, Director of Sales and Marketing.
Negatives against:
“The Impact of Cruise Ship Generated Waste on Home Ports and Ports of Call: A Study of Southampton,” Marine Policy 31 (2007) 591–598, by Nickie Butt, School of Maritime and Coastal Studies, Southampton Solent University
Studies versus Marketing pretty much says it all.
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Hillbeartoe said:For the port:
This blog is powered by www.sonoranresorts.mx, Jim Ringquist, Director of Sales and Marketing.
Negatives against:
“The Impact of Cruise Ship Generated Waste on Home Ports and Ports of Call: A Study of Southampton,” Marine Policy 31 (2007) 591–598, by Nickie Butt, School of Maritime and Coastal Studies, Southampton Solent University
Studies versus Marketing pretty much says it all.
Sup my bango playing hick,what study? you got a link?
PPRES
We have never had any confirmation if jerry is female, male or something in between. Regardless:
Unfortunately it appears jerry and its tourist likkers, non of whom have any actual ties to Penasco, are once again spouting their diatribe to bring down our home, harm our community, decrease our property values and discourage tourists. It's sad they seem to be spiteful that we can live here, and they cannot. For a few years the best jerry has ever been able to do to educate anyone is to regurgitate some google online internet articles that suits its negative agenda. jerry hates Rocky Point and will stop at nothing to harm the city. It appears jerry believes everything it reads online, and is not capable of thinking independently, and has no hands-0n knowledge. This person has no independent or personal knowledge of which it speaks. jerry wants to stop all progress in Penasco.
I see jerry now refers to "our " homeport. jerry has never been able to live in Penasco. jerry is a drive by wannabe PPRES and it has no homeport in Penasco. it has no stake in this community.
So far jerry is a person of straw with a negative agenda, and of no positive value to our city at this point. Perhaps when jerry decides Penaso is a winner it will jump ship to become a supporter. Follow the leader, jerry !
We have never had any confirmation if jerry is female, male or something in between. Regardless:
Unfortunately it appears jerry and its tourist likkers, non of whom have any actual ties to Penasco, are once again spouting their diatribe to bring down our home, harm our community, decrease our property values and discourage tourists. It's sad they seem to be spiteful that we can live here, and they cannot. For a few years the best jerry has ever been able to do to educate anyone is to regurgitate some google online internet articles that suits its negative agenda. jerry hates Rocky Point and will stop at nothing to harm the city. It appears jerry believes everything it reads online, and is not capable of thinking independently, and has no hands-0n knowledge. This person has no independent or personal knowledge of which it speaks. jerry wants to stop all progress in Penasco.
I see jerry now refers to "our " homeport. jerry has never been able to live in Penasco. jerry is a drive by wannabe PPRES and it has no homeport in Penasco. it has no stake in this community.
So far jerry is a person of straw with a negative agenda, and of no positive value to our city at this point. Perhaps when jerry decides Penaso is a winner it will jump ship to become a supporter. Follow the leader, jerry !
playaperro said:Sup my bango playing hick,what study? you got a link?
Perro, why the Hick remark? LOL.
It's a Banjo silly. I assumed incorrectly you might have read any of the links Jerry posted or your own as well.
I read what you posted and just like anything else anyone can find the fuel to stoke their fires, good or bad, right or wrong.
What you posted was created by a Marketing and sales director. It says so at the end of the article/add.
What I referred to was part of what Jerry posted and was information studied and written by School of Maritime and Coastal Studies, Southampton Solent University. Read it, you don't have to agree with it but at least look at it. It can't hurt you and I am sure will not change your opinion on the matter and that is ok. At least look at and try to discredit what you disagree with.
Do I have an opinion contrary to yours on this subject, probably. However I do not call you names nor do I assume you are an ignorant mountain dweller that is married to your mother/cousin.
Here is the link to just one part of what was included in the information Jerry posted.
http://202.114.89.60/resource/pdf/2167.pdf
JWT, if you consider independent knowledge to be what ever pops into your head and believe with out any actual facts, one way or the other, to be more valid than others then you may want to get a second opinion.
None of the negative opinions matter anyways, it's happening one way or the other. I for one hope that this helps the peoples that have been born and raised there, you know... the "other" locals and doesn't negatively affect the ecosystem. If you consider that not caring for Puerto Peñasco then your personal motives are once again laid bare.
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JWT said:PPRES
We have never had any confirmation if jerry is female, male or something in between. Regardless:
Unfortunately it appears jerry and its tourist likkers, non of whom have any actual ties to Penasco, are once again spouting their diatribe to bring down our home, harm our community, decrease our property values and discourage tourists. It's sad they seem to be spiteful that we can live here, and they cannot. For a few years the best jerry has ever been able to do to educate anyone is to regurgitate some google online internet articles that suits its negative agenda. jerry hates Rocky Point and will stop at nothing to harm the city. It appears jerry believes everything it reads online, and is not capable of thinking independently, and has no hands-0n knowledge. This person has no independent or personal knowledge of which it speaks. jerry wants to stop all progress in Penasco.
I see jerry now refers to "our " homeport. jerry has never been able to live in Penasco. jerry is a drive by wannabe PPRES and it has no homeport in Penasco. it has no stake in this community.
So far jerry is a person of straw with a negative agenda, and of no positive value to our city at this point. Perhaps when jerry decides Penaso is a winner it will jump ship to become a supporter. Follow the leader, jerry !
I think it's time for Banned Camp from this lame duck poster. The best information this poster has given us in months is where to buy fruit. PPRES is personally attacking a well known forum member without provocation. Furthermore, this poster is irrational, desperate for attention and at times childish. Almost reminds me of Happy. I would suggest that now is the time for a warning. This poster clearly has an agenda far greater than the one that IT projects onto Jerry. In addition, it is my belief that this poster has become obsessed with Jerry. The poster most likely spends night and day reading backlogs of Jerry's threads and comments. The poster obviously has made this personal. I would like to suggest another option besides banned camp...
Let's settle this the old fashioned way, the RPT.COM way! The GUA GUAS back alley brawl. Bring HOOCH and others. I will be there and we can SWING at each other and settle this VERGA measuring contest once and for all!!!!
As always...
#FUCCPPRES #CHOLLABAY4LIFE
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#STRES #STRES4LIFE
Hillbeartoe said:Perro, why the Hick remark? LOL.
It's a Banjo silly. I assumed incorrectly you might have read any of the links Jerry posted or your own as well.
I read what you posted and just like anything else anyone can find the fuel to stoke their fires, good or bad, right or wrong.
What you posted was created by a Marketing and sales director. It says so at the end of the article/add.
What I referred to was part of what Jerry posted and was information studied and written by School of Maritime and Coastal Studies, Southampton Solent University. Read it, you don't have to agree with it but at least look at it. It can't hurt you and I am sure will not change your opinion on the matter and that is ok. At least look at and try to discredit what you disagree with.
Do I have an opinion contrary to yours on this subject, probably. However I do not call you names nor do I assume you are an ignorant mountain dweller that is married to your mother/cousin.
Here is the link to just one part of what was included in the information Jerry posted.
http://202.114.89.60/resource/pdf/2167.pdf
JWT, if you consider independent knowledge to be what ever pops into your head and believe with out any actual facts, one way or the other, to be more valid than others then you may want to get a second opinion.
None of the negative opinions matter anyways, it's happening one way or the other. I for one hope that this helps the peoples that have been born and raised there, you know... the "other" locals and doesn't negatively affect the ecosystem. If you consider that not caring for Puerto Peñasco then your personal motives are once again laid bare.
Obviously, I don't read whats he's reading, Sorry about the remark must of been a typo.
Joe, how fast were you going in that video? looks like your suspension is working flawlessly. Also where was the video taken?
Ed
Ed
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Mexico Joe said:I think it's time for Banned Camp from this lame duck poster. The best information this poster has given us in months is where to buy fruit. PPRES is personally attacking a well known forum member without provocation. Furthermore, this poster is irrational, desperate for attention and at times childish. Almost reminds me of Happy. I would suggest that now is the time for a warning. This poster clearly has an agenda far greater than the one that IT projects onto Jerry. In addition, it is my belief that this poster has become obsessed with Jerry. The poster most likely spends night and day reading backlogs of Jerry's threads and comments. The poster obviously has made this personal. I would like to suggest another option besides banned camp...
Let's settle this the old fashioned way, the RPT.COM way! The GUA GUAS back alley brawl. Bring HOOCH and others. I will be there and we can SWING at each other and settle this VERGA measuring contest once and for all!!!!
As always...
#FUCCPPRES #CHOLLABAY4LIFE
Joe its just his & hers opinion, nothing drastic to get banned over. Oh and btw its guau guaus.
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Mexico Joe said:I think it's time for Banned Camp from this lame duck poster. The best information this poster has given us in months is where to buy fruit. PPRES is personally attacking a well known forum member without provocation. Furthermore, this poster is irrational, desperate for attention and at times childish. Almost reminds me of Happy. I would suggest that now is the time for a warning. This poster clearly has an agenda far greater than the one that IT projects onto Jerry. In addition, it is my belief that this poster has become obsessed with Jerry. The poster most likely spends night and day reading backlogs of Jerry's threads and comments. The poster obviously has made this personal. I would like to suggest another option besides banned camp...
Let's settle this the old fashioned way, the RPT.COM way! The GUA GUAS back alley brawl. Bring HOOCH and others. I will be there and we can SWING at each other and settle this VERGA measuring contest once and for all!!!!
As always...
#FUCCPPRES #CHOLLABAY4LIFE
So landshark you agree with all the shit Jerry says about PUERTO PENASCO?
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Joe I will request a certain lady in black be my second....this has YouTube written all over it!
Mexico Joe said:I think it's time for Banned Camp from this lame duck poster. The best information this poster has given us in months is where to buy fruit. PPRES is personally attacking a well known forum member without provocation. Furthermore, this poster is irrational, desperate for attention and at times childish. Almost reminds me of Happy. I would suggest that now is the time for a warning. This poster clearly has an agenda far greater than the one that IT projects onto Jerry. In addition, it is my belief that this poster has become obsessed with Jerry. The poster most likely spends night and day reading backlogs of Jerry's threads and comments. The poster obviously has made this personal. I would like to suggest another option besides banned camp...
Let's settle this the old fashioned way, the RPT.COM way! The GUA GUAS back alley brawl. Bring HOOCH and others. I will be there and we can SWING at each other and settle this VERGA measuring contest once and for all!!!!
As always...
#FUCCPPRES #CHOLLABAY4LIFE
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This is Week 1 of the reasons against the Homeport.My Week One Topic is environmental damage to the Sea and Puerto Oenasco.In Week 3 I will open up the debate of the effect on Property values.I will argue it is a mixed bag at best.
CEDO biologists hate this thing but cannot comment in public.
playaperro said:So landshark you agree with all the shit Jerry says about PUERTO PENASCO?
Hell no Dawg, not all of it! How bout you!
For myself Joe, I think that JWT's opener about Jerry just show's how mixed up she is, that's Bruce Jenner! "We have never had any confirmation if Jerry is female, male or something in between".
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Landshark said:Hell no Dawg, not all of it! How bout you!
LOL!
playaperro said:So landshark you agree with all the shit Jerry says about PUERTO PENASCO?
Landshark said:Hell no Dawg, not all of it! How bout you!
But I do think he is right more times than not. More than I can say about PPRES...
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Well, looking back at all the rumors when this idea started and the fact that Gus Brown wants this it is a matter of waiting to see what happens.
Just like anything else it will be years later after ennvironmental studies are done that the truths will come out.
We have people here that just don't want anything negative said because these forums come up when people research PP and realty here. They have a buisness interest and say they are thinking of the city. Most know better. They are concerned with selling the picture not preserving the subject of the picture.
I for one am very sorry that I waited so long to start my adventures in PP. I wish I could have seen it before the condos and convention center and before the import "local$" decided that it was theirs to do what they wish with it.
Hope for the best for the true locals and prepare for the worst. Seems to be the mantra for this decade, it is what it is.
Just like anything else it will be years later after ennvironmental studies are done that the truths will come out.
We have people here that just don't want anything negative said because these forums come up when people research PP and realty here. They have a buisness interest and say they are thinking of the city. Most know better. They are concerned with selling the picture not preserving the subject of the picture.
I for one am very sorry that I waited so long to start my adventures in PP. I wish I could have seen it before the condos and convention center and before the import "local$" decided that it was theirs to do what they wish with it.
Hope for the best for the true locals and prepare for the worst. Seems to be the mantra for this decade, it is what it is.
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fasteddy said:Joe, how fast were you going in that video? looks like your suspension is working flawlessly. Also where was the video taken?
Ed
70mph Fast Ed. That's the road to Santo Tomas... Ejido alvaro obregon I believe, although maybe PPRES can verify this is correct. I think Jerry might know too...
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Jerry's new handle. STRES
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Stuart said:Laughable at best, Jerry. Penasco struggles to keep power (and water) available to the city itself, let alone to cruise ships on a dock. Especially during the warm months, blackouts are a fairly common thing as demand soars and the AC units all whir.
The cruise ships will be better off under their own on-board systems for power. Even though they share a common border, Mexico is light years away from California when it comes to environmental regulations.
Like I said before,
yeah the only reason I could see, was if you had a business of some sort, that would profit from this. Otherwise all you are doing is adding a whole lot of people to an already stressed infrastructure , into a very laid back community. Some people like lack of progress in this form. Let the nice small towns stay that way. There are plenty of larger cities that can handle that many people. I have personally seen several Caribbean ports go to crap when they opened up to cruise ships. Have a great day Leigh
asprinkles, Dec 20, 2014
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Mexico Joe said:70mph Fast Ed. That's the road to Santo Tomas... Ejido alvaro obregon I believe, although maybe PPRES can verify this is correct. I think Jerry might know too...
Thought so.
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Landshark said:But I do think he is right more times than not. More than I can say about PPRES...
Well when you guys ever hook up here in penasco give me a call, never happen.
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playaperro said:Well when you guys ever hook up here in penasco give me a call, never happen.
Probably right dawg, I'm like a damn hermit...
Good chance The Home Port will make swimming more dangerous In front of the Pigeon Coops and degrade the beach sand
HOW DO I AVOID BEING INJURED BY A PIER OR JETTY?
Always keep a distance of at least 500 feet when swimming, wading, or surfing in the proximity of a pier or jetty. You should keep track of where you enter the water and not allow yourself to be swept down the beach. Pick a landmark on the beach or in the background and stay in front of it. Staying close to shore where you can firmly stand on the bottom will make it easier to stay in one place. If you are unable to resist against the current, exit the water and walk back to where you entered before you get into a situation you cannot correct.
HOW DO I AVOID BEING INJURED BY A PIER OR JETTY?
Always keep a distance of at least 500 feet when swimming, wading, or surfing in the proximity of a pier or jetty. You should keep track of where you enter the water and not allow yourself to be swept down the beach. Pick a landmark on the beach or in the background and stay in front of it. Staying close to shore where you can firmly stand on the bottom will make it easier to stay in one place. If you are unable to resist against the current, exit the water and walk back to where you entered before you get into a situation you cannot correct.
http://www.algalita.org/nautical-ladder/ Example of sand not having read the master plan...
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Holy crap, minus some high rise condos that's almost what they are planning it to look like when it's done.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kHxbUakF7Cs/SKH9B2_juRI/AAAAAAAAAI4/_eg47AsqxGs/s1600-h/IMG_1358.jpg
So, this should theoretically cause all the sands along the sandy beach area to build up and make the water in front of the condos shallower thus making the shoreline further out at low tide.
If that happens say bye bye to the nice landscaping at the condos as well. And then that should turn the other side of the port into a giant toilet bowl considering the way everything already washes up on bone beach right?
Damn it Jerry, you and your facts again. Why don't you go flock yourself... lol. J/K. Good find. Or bad... hmmm
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kHxbUakF7Cs/SKH9B2_juRI/AAAAAAAAAI4/_eg47AsqxGs/s1600-h/IMG_1358.jpg
So, this should theoretically cause all the sands along the sandy beach area to build up and make the water in front of the condos shallower thus making the shoreline further out at low tide.
If that happens say bye bye to the nice landscaping at the condos as well. And then that should turn the other side of the port into a giant toilet bowl considering the way everything already washes up on bone beach right?
Damn it Jerry, you and your facts again. Why don't you go flock yourself... lol. J/K. Good find. Or bad... hmmm
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PPRES
Our city on the beach isn't perfect, but it's getting close!
Note to new and intelligent residents and good folks planning to call Penasco home: I post this lest you have a proclivity to believe many posts by some tourists. Any ruction with our non resident tourist posters is not intended or desired.
You will critically scrutinize the prolific posts of our all knowing touristico and new amateur Marine Hydrologist, el jerry, for giving us yet another internet story of a beach on a DIFFERENT OCEAN. Comparative analysis, intelligent personal thinking and objectivity seem alien to this sage of everything detrimental to Penasco. It is quite likely this guru de caca contra Penasco has never actually seen the Penasco cruise ship port jetty. As such, the algalita/ nautical ladder web post ( above from google ), and many others, are of no value to our intelligent readers.
jerry's post about being injured swimming near a jetty is too asinine upon which to waste time. Intelligent readers of this forum are not impressed by uninformed alarmist posts. Silliness.
Non the less, these aspiring tourist-residents ( jerry + minion likkers ) will become assets and active supporters of Penasco when they get more accurate info, and can present it more intelligently. At that point these good folks should be able to find a place to live here and enjoy all they are missing from not enjoying this great place. As said before, many good realtors, Nationals and Ex Pats, can help jerry and flock find rentals or even affordable homes at smoking deals with vendor financing. Just think how much benefit to Penasco they can be when that group becomes more educated and informed ! We welcome them sooner than later.
Note to the lucky folks who can live here: a new factory in the city is producing and bottling a new household cleaner better and cheaper than Awesome.....it's branded Grassol. Numeros , and likely other locally owned shops, have it in stock. Most everything you buy here is from a local family, raising kids.
Our city on the beach isn't perfect, but it's getting close!
Note to new and intelligent residents and good folks planning to call Penasco home: I post this lest you have a proclivity to believe many posts by some tourists. Any ruction with our non resident tourist posters is not intended or desired.
You will critically scrutinize the prolific posts of our all knowing touristico and new amateur Marine Hydrologist, el jerry, for giving us yet another internet story of a beach on a DIFFERENT OCEAN. Comparative analysis, intelligent personal thinking and objectivity seem alien to this sage of everything detrimental to Penasco. It is quite likely this guru de caca contra Penasco has never actually seen the Penasco cruise ship port jetty. As such, the algalita/ nautical ladder web post ( above from google ), and many others, are of no value to our intelligent readers.
jerry's post about being injured swimming near a jetty is too asinine upon which to waste time. Intelligent readers of this forum are not impressed by uninformed alarmist posts. Silliness.
Non the less, these aspiring tourist-residents ( jerry + minion likkers ) will become assets and active supporters of Penasco when they get more accurate info, and can present it more intelligently. At that point these good folks should be able to find a place to live here and enjoy all they are missing from not enjoying this great place. As said before, many good realtors, Nationals and Ex Pats, can help jerry and flock find rentals or even affordable homes at smoking deals with vendor financing. Just think how much benefit to Penasco they can be when that group becomes more educated and informed ! We welcome them sooner than later.
Note to the lucky folks who can live here: a new factory in the city is producing and bottling a new household cleaner better and cheaper than Awesome.....it's branded Grassol. Numeros , and likely other locally owned shops, have it in stock. Most everything you buy here is from a local family, raising kids.
I love it when people say caca.
Hillbeartoe said:I love it when people say caca.
We'll leave that for another day, OK?o_O
PPRES
We all here welcome intelligent replies if you have one.
We all here welcome intelligent replies if you have one.
JWT said:PPRES
We all here welcome intelligent replies if you have one.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT
FURTHERMORE, YOU ARE AN IDIOT
Hillbeartoe said:I love it when people say caca.
IN ADDITION, you are an idiot. Santa Rosalita is on the SEA OF CORTEZ
JWT said:PPRES
We all here welcome intelligent replies if you have one.
JWT, who are we? You act as though you represent a shadow group unwilling to speak for themselves in these forums.
You still haven't grasped the fact that even though they are not all rosie pictures being painted here that there is not one person involved in these forums that does not care about RP/PP.
Most that you disagree with, in my opinion, care more than you would ever be able to understand with your very limited scope of interests in Puerto Peñasco. $elling it off is in your best interests, we get it. Your responses are not protecting anything but your bottom line.
Of the native peoples, PPRES or occasional tourist only 1 of those 3 have created an artificial acronym in an attempt to bolster their sales. I can't believe you haven't added a hash tag to it as well.
It amazes me that you even venture out of the advertising or real estate sections of this forum. As of yet I have not seen you post one thing that does not sound like an ad for the company you represent.
Your sense of entitlement bleeds from the words you type onto my screen. Even among the people that have differing opinions in these forums you stand out and represent the things I dislike most in people, that thing I can not identify with that makes you and your kind think you are better than everyone else.
Gigiddy.
http://www.responsiblevacation.com/copy/how-responsible-are-cruise-liners
More often than not, local people are not employed on these ships and although some will call at ports along the way, bringing an influx of visitors with money to spend, it seems that cruise companies do everything they can to encourage their passengers to invest their vacation pocket money where it best suits them.
More propaganda. Stinkin leftwing commies. Lol.
More often than not, local people are not employed on these ships and although some will call at ports along the way, bringing an influx of visitors with money to spend, it seems that cruise companies do everything they can to encourage their passengers to invest their vacation pocket money where it best suits them.
More propaganda. Stinkin leftwing commies. Lol.
What happened to a girl exposed to too much feces contamination on a Mexican beach.Do not kid yourself the cruise ship poop will be entering our ecosystem.
Mexico water warning from Feb. 2, 2015
Karon Pardue
This photo of me was from last night, I could finally open my right eye. (The swelling has gone down.)
I did not write this for anyone to feel sorry for me, so “PLEASE DON’T.” The main reason I’m writing is I want people to know that it’s really important to be aware of the “RUNOFFS” contaminated water/ocean in your local area or areas you're visiting. And what the effects of the dirty infested water can do to you. When those signs are up, read them and you should listen to what they are telling you to do or not to do. In some places their might not even be signs up, and they don't do testing or post thats theirs high level of bacterias in the water. So beware of you're surrounding and places you visit.
I returned home over two weeks ago from traveling to Mexico. I have been in the hospital several times and have had several treatments since I have been back. And will continue to get treatments for the next 30 days. It started out with Salmonella. Constant throwing up and diarrhea. My Asthma is really bad and I’m having problems breathing. Constant body aches and sweats. Up and down fevers.Then it turned into an ear infection in both ears and throat. Once it went into my ears, It turned into MRSA and now I have a heart infection. MRSA attacks the body and shuts down your heart and system. 9 out of 10 people die from this.
So many people in Sayulita are sick, they think they have the flu (vomiting and diarrhea), or soar throats, but thats not the case.
Several of us have had test since we have been back and while we were in Sayulita, the doctors told us that we were sick from the water. When i was at a random pharmacy hooked up in the back room to an IV, i counted 6 random people that
Came into the pharmacy for antibiotics, medications for nausea, anything they could drink for hydration. They also had the same symptoms. Several of the surfers we traveled with were pretty sick, Ricky, Jerry, Tony.S, Karina, Vannina, Alexandra, Erin A, Jake, Lindsey, Nate, I could go on with a list of more who were sick, for some it was a mild case but for a few of us, we were and some still are pretty sick . While i was in Sayulita i had to go to a random medical center in the ambulance with Ricky. He was pretty bad and was throwing up and had diarrhea straight for three days. After Ricky had an IV and was pumped up with several antibiotics and other medications we took a taxi back to town, thinking he would be ok. Little did i know that i would find myself at 3am walking the streets of Sayulita and trying to find someone to help us find a doctor for Ricky. The pharmacy were closed. Later that night i was in one of the pharmacies and the doctor gave me his card. I called him at 3am to please help Ricky, he came and picked us up and took Ricky and i to the place the ambulance dropped us off that morning. The doctor started treatment on Ricky and by morning ,10am he was not getting any better. I had to call Ricky's mom to get him on the next flight out. It was sad, several of us were sick and none of the antibiotics we were given were working or medications.
The water “runoff” in the river in Sayulita, runs straight into the ocean front beach in Sayulita is contaminated. It has Salmonella, MRSA and other bacterias in water.
This is my second year of being deadly ill after coming home from visiting Sayulita. Last year, the smaething-several of us were really sick with the same symptoms.The only water i had any contact with was when i washed my hands took a shower, or walked on the beach and put my feet in the water, or sat on the side of the pool at our hotel and put my feet in. The runoff from the river goes into the ocean and water pipes in the town. This now effects the homes, washing hands, washing dishes, cooking, showering, drinking, brushing your teeth, pool, it’s also now in the water system in restaurants and is being in contact with washing dishes, people washing their hands, food being cooked with the water or rinsed off. One person washes his hands them touches their face or shakes another persons hand. Its now being spread like a wild fire.
I have several local friends that live in Sayulita and they have told me that so many local people in town have been sick with the same symptoms. That there is supposed to be treatment for the river/water, but nothing is being done.
People need to know to stay out of the water in Sayulita until it can be treated. They need to know that it's not the flu and they only way to get rid of it, is by treatment, antibiotics. The symptoms will go away and keep resurfacing if you don't get the proper treatments for it.
Many antibiotics don't work for MRS
Each time I'm admitted to the hospital with MRSA, the recovery time is longer and the fight is harder. Most doctors I have seen have no idea how to treat it and they have to call Centers for Disease Control for help. A is resistant to most common antibiotics. The only treatment that has been working for me is IV treatment of vancomycin which I get twice a day for 9 hours each treatment. I’m resistant and allergic to the vancomycin so I have other complications while getting the treatments. So far, it is the only antibiotic that can help fight the infection.
What is salmonellosis?
Salmonellosis is an infection caused by the bacteria calledSalmonella, which has been known to cause illness for more than 100 years. There are many different kinds of Salmonella bacteria, and they are spread through human or animal feces.
Where and how does Salmonella get into drinking water?
Salmonella is found in every region of the United States and throughout the world. Millions of germs can be released in a bowel movement of an infected human or animal. Salmonella may be found in water sources that have been contaminated with the feces of infected humans or animals. Waste can enter the water through different ways, including sewage overflows, sewage systems that are not working properly, polluted storm water runoff, and agricultural runoff. Wells may be more vulnerable to such contamination after flooding, particularly if the wells are shallow, have been dug or bored, or have been submerged by floodwater for long periods of time.
My personal experience with contaminated ocean/water, MSRA and Salmonella is one of the reasons I care so much about being involved with Project Save Our Surf, keeping our oceans and beaches clean and educating people so that they don’t have to go through what I’ve been through. I visit Sayulita at least once a year and have several friends that live their, i have done several projects for some of the children in Sayulita and schools. I feel that these children, friends, surfers and families in Sayulita deserve to all have CLEAN WATER. Something needs to be done in Sayulita.
I lost one of my best friends to contaminated water at Rincon, John Bradbury
I know first hand what contaminated water "runoff" can do.
Mexico water warning from Feb. 2, 2015
Karon Pardue
This photo of me was from last night, I could finally open my right eye. (The swelling has gone down.)
I did not write this for anyone to feel sorry for me, so “PLEASE DON’T.” The main reason I’m writing is I want people to know that it’s really important to be aware of the “RUNOFFS” contaminated water/ocean in your local area or areas you're visiting. And what the effects of the dirty infested water can do to you. When those signs are up, read them and you should listen to what they are telling you to do or not to do. In some places their might not even be signs up, and they don't do testing or post thats theirs high level of bacterias in the water. So beware of you're surrounding and places you visit.
I returned home over two weeks ago from traveling to Mexico. I have been in the hospital several times and have had several treatments since I have been back. And will continue to get treatments for the next 30 days. It started out with Salmonella. Constant throwing up and diarrhea. My Asthma is really bad and I’m having problems breathing. Constant body aches and sweats. Up and down fevers.Then it turned into an ear infection in both ears and throat. Once it went into my ears, It turned into MRSA and now I have a heart infection. MRSA attacks the body and shuts down your heart and system. 9 out of 10 people die from this.
So many people in Sayulita are sick, they think they have the flu (vomiting and diarrhea), or soar throats, but thats not the case.
Several of us have had test since we have been back and while we were in Sayulita, the doctors told us that we were sick from the water. When i was at a random pharmacy hooked up in the back room to an IV, i counted 6 random people that
Came into the pharmacy for antibiotics, medications for nausea, anything they could drink for hydration. They also had the same symptoms. Several of the surfers we traveled with were pretty sick, Ricky, Jerry, Tony.S, Karina, Vannina, Alexandra, Erin A, Jake, Lindsey, Nate, I could go on with a list of more who were sick, for some it was a mild case but for a few of us, we were and some still are pretty sick . While i was in Sayulita i had to go to a random medical center in the ambulance with Ricky. He was pretty bad and was throwing up and had diarrhea straight for three days. After Ricky had an IV and was pumped up with several antibiotics and other medications we took a taxi back to town, thinking he would be ok. Little did i know that i would find myself at 3am walking the streets of Sayulita and trying to find someone to help us find a doctor for Ricky. The pharmacy were closed. Later that night i was in one of the pharmacies and the doctor gave me his card. I called him at 3am to please help Ricky, he came and picked us up and took Ricky and i to the place the ambulance dropped us off that morning. The doctor started treatment on Ricky and by morning ,10am he was not getting any better. I had to call Ricky's mom to get him on the next flight out. It was sad, several of us were sick and none of the antibiotics we were given were working or medications.
The water “runoff” in the river in Sayulita, runs straight into the ocean front beach in Sayulita is contaminated. It has Salmonella, MRSA and other bacterias in water.
This is my second year of being deadly ill after coming home from visiting Sayulita. Last year, the smaething-several of us were really sick with the same symptoms.The only water i had any contact with was when i washed my hands took a shower, or walked on the beach and put my feet in the water, or sat on the side of the pool at our hotel and put my feet in. The runoff from the river goes into the ocean and water pipes in the town. This now effects the homes, washing hands, washing dishes, cooking, showering, drinking, brushing your teeth, pool, it’s also now in the water system in restaurants and is being in contact with washing dishes, people washing their hands, food being cooked with the water or rinsed off. One person washes his hands them touches their face or shakes another persons hand. Its now being spread like a wild fire.
I have several local friends that live in Sayulita and they have told me that so many local people in town have been sick with the same symptoms. That there is supposed to be treatment for the river/water, but nothing is being done.
People need to know to stay out of the water in Sayulita until it can be treated. They need to know that it's not the flu and they only way to get rid of it, is by treatment, antibiotics. The symptoms will go away and keep resurfacing if you don't get the proper treatments for it.
Many antibiotics don't work for MRS
Each time I'm admitted to the hospital with MRSA, the recovery time is longer and the fight is harder. Most doctors I have seen have no idea how to treat it and they have to call Centers for Disease Control for help. A is resistant to most common antibiotics. The only treatment that has been working for me is IV treatment of vancomycin which I get twice a day for 9 hours each treatment. I’m resistant and allergic to the vancomycin so I have other complications while getting the treatments. So far, it is the only antibiotic that can help fight the infection.
What is salmonellosis?
Salmonellosis is an infection caused by the bacteria calledSalmonella, which has been known to cause illness for more than 100 years. There are many different kinds of Salmonella bacteria, and they are spread through human or animal feces.
Where and how does Salmonella get into drinking water?
Salmonella is found in every region of the United States and throughout the world. Millions of germs can be released in a bowel movement of an infected human or animal. Salmonella may be found in water sources that have been contaminated with the feces of infected humans or animals. Waste can enter the water through different ways, including sewage overflows, sewage systems that are not working properly, polluted storm water runoff, and agricultural runoff. Wells may be more vulnerable to such contamination after flooding, particularly if the wells are shallow, have been dug or bored, or have been submerged by floodwater for long periods of time.
My personal experience with contaminated ocean/water, MSRA and Salmonella is one of the reasons I care so much about being involved with Project Save Our Surf, keeping our oceans and beaches clean and educating people so that they don’t have to go through what I’ve been through. I visit Sayulita at least once a year and have several friends that live their, i have done several projects for some of the children in Sayulita and schools. I feel that these children, friends, surfers and families in Sayulita deserve to all have CLEAN WATER. Something needs to be done in Sayulita.
I lost one of my best friends to contaminated water at Rincon, John Bradbury
I know first hand what contaminated water "runoff" can do.
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jerry said:I have several local friends that live in Sayulita and they have told me that so many local people in town have been sick with the same symptoms. That there is supposed to be treatment for the river/water, but nothing is being done.
Does RP have a water treatment facility? Our water in Encanto is trucked in and we treat it with bleach as it's pumped in to our cistern.
JWT said:PPRES
We all here welcome intelligent replies if you have one.
We? You got a mouse in your pocket?
I'm going to be honest here - "we" (as members of this forum) welcome nearly anyone. As I've said in the past, we put the "fun" in dysfunctional and are more or less a big family. You seem to have issues with some of our members here and you present yourself in a very condescending way.
Stop it.
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http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2015/02/06/alaska-conservationists-concerned-with-cruise-ship-rules/?intcmp=features
Towering cruise ships, sometimes four at a time, sit at port in Juneau at the peak of summer, delivering tourists important to the economy of this and other southeast Alaska communities. But some conservationists worry about what the ships could be leaving in Alaska waters and are fighting proposed new rules for the discharge of treated wastewater.
Towering cruise ships, sometimes four at a time, sit at port in Juneau at the peak of summer, delivering tourists important to the economy of this and other southeast Alaska communities. But some conservationists worry about what the ships could be leaving in Alaska waters and are fighting proposed new rules for the discharge of treated wastewater.
Jerry, don't know what you have planned for week 2, but this is a very interesting and well written research project from our friends at The Udall Center for Studies in Public Policy at the University of Arizona. Published in January of 2012, it's an in-depth study of how excessive growth will affect the ecosystem of the area and infrastructure of the city of Puerto Penasco. Great analysis of PP's urban water system, the 11 deep wells, and what the future holds. Also discusses the introduction of visits by yachts, sailboats, and cruise lines and how they will affect the ecosystem of the entire region.
http://udallcenter.arizona.edu/sarp/pdf/Ch3_PuertoPenasco.pdf
http://udallcenter.arizona.edu/sarp/pdf/Ch3_PuertoPenasco.pdf
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Being a old serf rat the place Rincon that's mentioned in Karon Pardue's message is like what the 51 mile reef used to mean to me, and to hear a surfer died there from contaminated water is one sad and two, it pisses me off.http://www.rincon.org/
The organization the Karon works with is by no means a fly by night organization... http://projectsaveoursurf.org/
The organization the Karon works with is by no means a fly by night organization... http://projectsaveoursurf.org/
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I think this thread is much ado about nothing. You see, there actually has to be a ship at the port for it to actually pollute our beautiful water. I have a better chance of having Kenny let me pick off one of his backyard deer than a ship actually coming to RP.
Not gonna happen.
In the event that some Mexican government dude bribes a cruise official with something along the line of a free massage at the Happy Face, the cruise guy may bring a ship here to christen the joint. I think once that happens he will come to the quick conclusion of "What the hell was I thinking?" Nothing to offer except some guy out front named Russ with a van that holds 10 passengers offering a tour of this sand trap along with the same vendors hawking the same crap that we saw in the last three Mexican ports.
Not gonna happen.
In the event that some Mexican government dude bribes a cruise official with something along the line of a free massage at the Happy Face, the cruise guy may bring a ship here to christen the joint. I think once that happens he will come to the quick conclusion of "What the hell was I thinking?" Nothing to offer except some guy out front named Russ with a van that holds 10 passengers offering a tour of this sand trap along with the same vendors hawking the same crap that we saw in the last three Mexican ports.
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Kelney said:I think this thread is much ado about nothing. You see, there actually has to be a ship at the port for it to actually pollute our beautiful water. I have a better chance of having Kenny let me pick off one of his backyard deer than a ship actually coming to RP.
Not gonna happen.
In the event that some Mexican government dude bribes a cruise official with something along the line of a free massage at the Happy Face, the cruise guy may bring a ship here to christen the joint. I think once that happens he will come to the quick conclusion of "What the hell was I thinking?" Nothing to offer except some guy out front named Russ with a van that holds 10 passengers offering a tour of this sand trap along with the same vendors hawking the same crap that we saw in the last three Mexican ports.
Wow what did I do to deserve this?
My sandtrap tour business is pretty much booked all the time and we are one the top 5 things to do in Rocky Point on Trip Advisor.
On a side note I can fit 14 people in my van but it is less comfortable for my clients. I value their experience - Oh wait what was that last group I did? 72? I guess not half bad for a sand trap operator.
If you haven't been on one of my trips, you should think about doing it before you write about it. I am already booking Feb through April next year.......sandtrap...how funny. So much to know, so little desire to learn. Grab a beer and have a great day, I am.
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Kelney said:I think this thread is much ado about nothing. You see, there actually has to be a ship at the port for it to actually pollute our beautiful water. I have a better chance of having Kenny let me pick off one of his backyard deer than a ship actually coming to RP.
Not gonna happen.
In the event that some Mexican government dude bribes a cruise official with something along the line of a free massage at the Happy Face, the cruise guy may bring a ship here to christen the joint. I think once that happens he will come to the quick conclusion of "What the hell was I thinking?" Nothing to offer except some guy out front named Russ with a van that holds 10 passengers offering a tour of this sand trap along with the same vendors hawking the same crap that we saw in the last three Mexican ports.
I wish it were true, the only problem is what Gus Brown wants, Gus Brown gets.
It's part of his master plan.
http://www.rockypointjohn.com/Rocky_Point_in_Motion_Gus_Brown_Interview/page_2498765.html
But again this is the desired outcome of someone with, well power to make it happen. I went to Mesa High School and the Browns carry tons of clout here and are calling the shots her as well, along with their church. Not saying anything bad about them at all but, they own it, it's gonna happen.
A lil history,
http://www.orsonprattbrown.com/angela-silvestre.html
Editing: Foot in mouth disease.
Last edited: Feb 8, 2015 at 7:56 PM
It's a departure location -not a receiving location or port of call.
If you are a Mexican family that has never cruised....you may want to cruise your home waters.....if you travel like a lot of us do...you want your whole family to go.....little Sophia doesn't have a passport, she cant go, nobody goes.
Here comes Rocky Point Cruise Terminal. A place where as a Mexican you can board (without the hassle of a passport) (without the hassle of going to the USA) with your whole family. Cruise Mexican waters without ever stepping foot in the USA.
I wonder how many on the first ship sailing (small 1500 person vessels) will be from the USA? I think it will be us sailing the first ship, and from projections done probably the first 6 months are sold out.
This is probably a little different than you thought about it.
If you are a Mexican family that has never cruised....you may want to cruise your home waters.....if you travel like a lot of us do...you want your whole family to go.....little Sophia doesn't have a passport, she cant go, nobody goes.
Here comes Rocky Point Cruise Terminal. A place where as a Mexican you can board (without the hassle of a passport) (without the hassle of going to the USA) with your whole family. Cruise Mexican waters without ever stepping foot in the USA.
I wonder how many on the first ship sailing (small 1500 person vessels) will be from the USA? I think it will be us sailing the first ship, and from projections done probably the first 6 months are sold out.
This is probably a little different than you thought about it.
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Kelney, that was ridiculous! Russ does a great job.
You probably offered that comment with the intention of humor...da da dum.... fell flat....
Even one of the vendors had me roaring recently " you want to buy some cheap mexican junk made in china....?"
Keep trying.....
You probably offered that comment with the intention of humor...da da dum.... fell flat....
Even one of the vendors had me roaring recently " you want to buy some cheap mexican junk made in china....?"
Keep trying.....
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Don't be so sensitive Russ and you may consider a Midol with your beer. I am actually hard pressed to find more things to do in rocky point unless it involves fishing, hanging on the beach and eating and drinking. I typically multitask with two to three of those items at the same time. How Trip Advisor found more things to do that that is beyond me. I guess I should gander on over there after I am done and find out. I do miss the aquarium though. That dog snapper kept me pretty entertained for a good 5 minutes per trip. I guess I should book your trip sometime to see what all I am missing out on. In all seriousness, I am glad you run a successful business doing what you enjoy.
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jerry said:What happened to a girl exposed to too much feces contamination on a Mexican beach.Do not kid yourself the cruise ship poop will be entering our ecosystem.
Mexico water warning from Feb. 2, 2015
Karon Pardue
This photo of me was from last night, I could finally open my right eye. (The swelling has gone down.)
I did not write this for anyone to feel sorry for me, so “PLEASE DON’T.” The main reason I’m writing is I want people to know that it’s really important to be aware of the “RUNOFFS” contaminated water/ocean in your local area or areas you're visiting. And what the effects of the dirty infested water can do to you. When those signs are up, read them and you should listen to what they are telling you to do or not to do. In some places their might not even be signs up, and they don't do testing or post thats theirs high level of bacterias in the water. So beware of you're surrounding and places you visit.
I returned home over two weeks ago from traveling to Mexico. I have been in the hospital several times and have had several treatments since I have been back. And will continue to get treatments for the next 30 days. It started out with Salmonella. Constant throwing up and diarrhea. My Asthma is really bad and I’m having problems breathing. Constant body aches and sweats. Up and down fevers.Then it turned into an ear infection in both ears and throat. Once it went into my ears, It turned into MRSA and now I have a heart infection. MRSA attacks the body and shuts down your heart and system. 9 out of 10 people die from this.
So many people in Sayulita are sick, they think they have the flu (vomiting and diarrhea), or soar throats, but thats not the case.
Several of us have had test since we have been back and while we were in Sayulita, the doctors told us that we were sick from the water. When i was at a random pharmacy hooked up in the back room to an IV, i counted 6 random people that
Came into the pharmacy for antibiotics, medications for nausea, anything they could drink for hydration. They also had the same symptoms. Several of the surfers we traveled with were pretty sick, Ricky, Jerry, Tony.S, Karina, Vannina, Alexandra, Erin A, Jake, Lindsey, Nate, I could go on with a list of more who were sick, for some it was a mild case but for a few of us, we were and some still are pretty sick . While i was in Sayulita i had to go to a random medical center in the ambulance with Ricky. He was pretty bad and was throwing up and had diarrhea straight for three days. After Ricky had an IV and was pumped up with several antibiotics and other medications we took a taxi back to town, thinking he would be ok. Little did i know that i would find myself at 3am walking the streets of Sayulita and trying to find someone to help us find a doctor for Ricky. The pharmacy were closed. Later that night i was in one of the pharmacies and the doctor gave me his card. I called him at 3am to please help Ricky, he came and picked us up and took Ricky and i to the place the ambulance dropped us off that morning. The doctor started treatment on Ricky and by morning ,10am he was not getting any better. I had to call Ricky's mom to get him on the next flight out. It was sad, several of us were sick and none of the antibiotics we were given were working or medications.
The water “runoff” in the river in Sayulita, runs straight into the ocean front beach in Sayulita is contaminated. It has Salmonella, MRSA and other bacterias in water.
This is my second year of being deadly ill after coming home from visiting Sayulita. Last year, the smaething-several of us were really sick with the same symptoms.The only water i had any contact with was when i washed my hands took a shower, or walked on the beach and put my feet in the water, or sat on the side of the pool at our hotel and put my feet in. The runoff from the river goes into the ocean and water pipes in the town. This now effects the homes, washing hands, washing dishes, cooking, showering, drinking, brushing your teeth, pool, it’s also now in the water system in restaurants and is being in contact with washing dishes, people washing their hands, food being cooked with the water or rinsed off. One person washes his hands them touches their face or shakes another persons hand. Its now being spread like a wild fire.
I have several local friends that live in Sayulita and they have told me that so many local people in town have been sick with the same symptoms. That there is supposed to be treatment for the river/water, but nothing is being done.
People need to know to stay out of the water in Sayulita until it can be treated. They need to know that it's not the flu and they only way to get rid of it, is by treatment, antibiotics. The symptoms will go away and keep resurfacing if you don't get the proper treatments for it.
Many antibiotics don't work for MRS
Each time I'm admitted to the hospital with MRSA, the recovery time is longer and the fight is harder. Most doctors I have seen have no idea how to treat it and they have to call Centers for Disease Control for help. A is resistant to most common antibiotics. The only treatment that has been working for me is IV treatment of vancomycin which I get twice a day for 9 hours each treatment. I’m resistant and allergic to the vancomycin so I have other complications while getting the treatments. So far, it is the only antibiotic that can help fight the infection.
What is salmonellosis?
Salmonellosis is an infection caused by the bacteria calledSalmonella, which has been known to cause illness for more than 100 years. There are many different kinds of Salmonella bacteria, and they are spread through human or animal feces.
Where and how does Salmonella get into drinking water?
Salmonella is found in every region of the United States and throughout the world. Millions of germs can be released in a bowel movement of an infected human or animal. Salmonella may be found in water sources that have been contaminated with the feces of infected humans or animals. Waste can enter the water through different ways, including sewage overflows, sewage systems that are not working properly, polluted storm water runoff, and agricultural runoff. Wells may be more vulnerable to such contamination after flooding, particularly if the wells are shallow, have been dug or bored, or have been submerged by floodwater for long periods of time.
My personal experience with contaminated ocean/water, MSRA and Salmonella is one of the reasons I care so much about being involved with Project Save Our Surf, keeping our oceans and beaches clean and educating people so that they don’t have to go through what I’ve been through. I visit Sayulita at least once a year and have several friends that live their, i have done several projects for some of the children in Sayulita and schools. I feel that these children, friends, surfers and families in Sayulita deserve to all have CLEAN WATER. Something needs to be done in Sayulita.
I lost one of my best friends to contaminated water at Rincon, John Bradbury
I know first hand what contaminated water "runoff" can do.
I enjoy it, my wife enjoys it, the local office of Visitors and conventions supports it, the State of Sonora Tourism Dept. supports it. Most of all, our customers enjoy it, to the point of making us a destination within a destination.
I get to make a living showing foreign people cool things about a cool town on the edge of the sea of Cortes.....and have the support of the locals as well.......I call that a slam dunk! I am so thankful to the local folks that accepted us and make this life possible for my wife and I.
We work hard for our love, Puerto Peñasco, and are dismayed at the negatives ( not so much after we find out who the bashers are) , but hey that is all fair right?
We love the place where we live! Totally!
Heart beating Sonoran blood, life comes in the Sonoran sun, life is good, you gotta get it.
Mexico, live it to believe it!
I get to make a living showing foreign people cool things about a cool town on the edge of the sea of Cortes.....and have the support of the locals as well.......I call that a slam dunk! I am so thankful to the local folks that accepted us and make this life possible for my wife and I.
We work hard for our love, Puerto Peñasco, and are dismayed at the negatives ( not so much after we find out who the bashers are) , but hey that is all fair right?
We love the place where we live! Totally!
Heart beating Sonoran blood, life comes in the Sonoran sun, life is good, you gotta get it.
Mexico, live it to believe it!
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jerry said:What happened to a girl exposed to too much feces contamination on a Mexican beach.Do not kid yourself the cruise ship poop will be entering our ecosystem.
Mexico water warning from Feb. 2, 2015
Karon Pardue
This photo of me was from last night, I could finally open my right eye. (The swelling has gone down.)
I did not write this for anyone to feel sorry for me, so “PLEASE DON’T.” The main reason I’m writing is I want people to know that it’s really important to be aware of the “RUNOFFS” contaminated water/ocean in your local area or areas you're visiting. And what the effects of the dirty infested water can do to you. When those signs are up, read them and you should listen to what they are telling you to do or not to do. In some places their might not even be signs up, and they don't do testing or post thats theirs high level of bacterias in the water. So beware of you're surrounding and places you visit.
I returned home over two weeks ago from traveling to Mexico. I have been in the hospital several times and have had several treatments since I have been back. And will continue to get treatments for the next 30 days. It started out with Salmonella. Constant throwing up and diarrhea. My Asthma is really bad and I’m having problems breathing. Constant body aches and sweats. Up and down fevers.Then it turned into an ear infection in both ears and throat. Once it went into my ears, It turned into MRSA and now I have a heart infection. MRSA attacks the body and shuts down your heart and system. 9 out of 10 people die from this.
So many people in Sayulita are sick, they think they have the flu (vomiting and diarrhea), or soar throats, but thats not the case.
Several of us have had test since we have been back and while we were in Sayulita, the doctors told us that we were sick from the water. When i was at a random pharmacy hooked up in the back room to an IV, i counted 6 random people that
Came into the pharmacy for antibiotics, medications for nausea, anything they could drink for hydration. They also had the same symptoms. Several of the surfers we traveled with were pretty sick, Ricky, Jerry, Tony.S, Karina, Vannina, Alexandra, Erin A, Jake, Lindsey, Nate, I could go on with a list of more who were sick, for some it was a mild case but for a few of us, we were and some still are pretty sick . While i was in Sayulita i had to go to a random medical center in the ambulance with Ricky. He was pretty bad and was throwing up and had diarrhea straight for three days. After Ricky had an IV and was pumped up with several antibiotics and other medications we took a taxi back to town, thinking he would be ok. Little did i know that i would find myself at 3am walking the streets of Sayulita and trying to find someone to help us find a doctor for Ricky. The pharmacy were closed. Later that night i was in one of the pharmacies and the doctor gave me his card. I called him at 3am to please help Ricky, he came and picked us up and took Ricky and i to the place the ambulance dropped us off that morning. The doctor started treatment on Ricky and by morning ,10am he was not getting any better. I had to call Ricky's mom to get him on the next flight out. It was sad, several of us were sick and none of the antibiotics we were given were working or medications.
The water “runoff” in the river in Sayulita, runs straight into the ocean front beach in Sayulita is contaminated. It has Salmonella, MRSA and other bacterias in water.
This is my second year of being deadly ill after coming home from visiting Sayulita. Last year, the smaething-several of us were really sick with the same symptoms.The only water i had any contact with was when i washed my hands took a shower, or walked on the beach and put my feet in the water, or sat on the side of the pool at our hotel and put my feet in. The runoff from the river goes into the ocean and water pipes in the town. This now effects the homes, washing hands, washing dishes, cooking, showering, drinking, brushing your teeth, pool, it’s also now in the water system in restaurants and is being in contact with washing dishes, people washing their hands, food being cooked with the water or rinsed off. One person washes his hands them touches their face or shakes another persons hand. Its now being spread like a wild fire.
I have several local friends that live in Sayulita and they have told me that so many local people in town have been sick with the same symptoms. That there is supposed to be treatment for the river/water, but nothing is being done.
People need to know to stay out of the water in Sayulita until it can be treated. They need to know that it's not the flu and they only way to get rid of it, is by treatment, antibiotics. The symptoms will go away and keep resurfacing if you don't get the proper treatments for it.
Many antibiotics don't work for MRS
Each time I'm admitted to the hospital with MRSA, the recovery time is longer and the fight is harder. Most doctors I have seen have no idea how to treat it and they have to call Centers for Disease Control for help. A is resistant to most common antibiotics. The only treatment that has been working for me is IV treatment of vancomycin which I get twice a day for 9 hours each treatment. I’m resistant and allergic to the vancomycin so I have other complications while getting the treatments. So far, it is the only antibiotic that can help fight the infection.
What is salmonellosis?
Salmonellosis is an infection caused by the bacteria calledSalmonella, which has been known to cause illness for more than 100 years. There are many different kinds of Salmonella bacteria, and they are spread through human or animal feces.
Where and how does Salmonella get into drinking water?
Salmonella is found in every region of the United States and throughout the world. Millions of germs can be released in a bowel movement of an infected human or animal. Salmonella may be found in water sources that have been contaminated with the feces of infected humans or animals. Waste can enter the water through different ways, including sewage overflows, sewage systems that are not working properly, polluted storm water runoff, and agricultural runoff. Wells may be more vulnerable to such contamination after flooding, particularly if the wells are shallow, have been dug or bored, or have been submerged by floodwater for long periods of time.
My personal experience with contaminated ocean/water, MSRA and Salmonella is one of the reasons I care so much about being involved with Project Save Our Surf, keeping our oceans and beaches clean and educating people so that they don’t have to go through what I’ve been through. I visit Sayulita at least once a year and have several friends that live their, i have done several projects for some of the children in Sayulita and schools. I feel that these children, friends, surfers and families in Sayulita deserve to all have CLEAN WATER. Something needs to be done in Sayulita.
I lost one of my best friends to contaminated water at Rincon, John Bradbury
I know first hand what contaminated water "runoff" can do.
PPRES
Just in the odd chance the truth matters:
The pollution in Sayulita and elsewhere on the Nayarit beach is caused by industrial runoff water starting in the Santiago river flowing from Lake Chapala. The various subsequent rivers pass through the industrial heartland of central Mexico, gathering the contaminants. The cruise ships in Lake Chapala and on the rivers flowing toward the Pacific are not the cause. Plus, all the rivers running into our Penasco beaches and bays pass through much less industry.
Penasco gets it's entire water supply from a large number of wells 20 miles or more inland, which means the wells are 20 miles or more from the beach. You likely can still drive out to watch them doing what wells do. I'm told they are hundreds of feet deep. The water flowing to homes is potable, which means it can be consumed without treatment, filtration, etc. I cn garintiie dlinkin it evrry dae wont hurth anyon ;,
I envy you Mexicoruss. I would love to be able to live and work down there and spend my time showing and sharing the cool things I have done and the beautiful sites I have seen with others. Good for you and your wife.
As far as the negatives that get posted, I don't think anyone has posted anything that I have read with the intention of dis-wading anyone from living in or visiting Puerto Peñasco.
I think for all intensive purposes pertaining to this threads subject matter it is quite the opposite.
My take on this thread is to point out the very plausible downside of this project with the end result being the destruction or at the very least degradation of the ecosystem of which we all love so much.
I can't imagine that the fishing will get better, that there will be less trash than there is now and that the trails that are open for exploration with ORV's will be available once everyone "lucky"(rich) enough has snatched up their own piece of the pie.
If successful this could make PP a prosperous oasis or not worth going to at all.
For a person of very modest means Puerto Peñasco is a piece of heaven for my family and I. I think it will be tragic to see it turn into anything less than what it is for the sake of a handful of realtors bottom line.
As far as the negatives that get posted, I don't think anyone has posted anything that I have read with the intention of dis-wading anyone from living in or visiting Puerto Peñasco.
I think for all intensive purposes pertaining to this threads subject matter it is quite the opposite.
My take on this thread is to point out the very plausible downside of this project with the end result being the destruction or at the very least degradation of the ecosystem of which we all love so much.
I can't imagine that the fishing will get better, that there will be less trash than there is now and that the trails that are open for exploration with ORV's will be available once everyone "lucky"(rich) enough has snatched up their own piece of the pie.
If successful this could make PP a prosperous oasis or not worth going to at all.
For a person of very modest means Puerto Peñasco is a piece of heaven for my family and I. I think it will be tragic to see it turn into anything less than what it is for the sake of a handful of realtors bottom line.
Landmark...good find..I wonder why a large marina for the sports fishermen/sailors is not front and center in this nightmare...at least we would get something out of it.
Landshark said:Jerry, don't know what you have planned for week 2, but this is a very interesting and well written research project from our friends at The Udall Center for Studies in Public Policy at the University of Arizona. Published in January of 2012, it's an in-depth study of how excessive growth will affect the ecosystem of the area and infrastructure of the city of Puerto Penasco. Great analysis of PP's urban water system, the 11 deep wells, and what the future holds. Also discusses the introduction of visits by yachts, sailboats, and cruise lines and how they will affect the ecosystem of the entire region.
http://udallcenter.arizona.edu/sarp/pdf/Ch3_PuertoPenasco.pdf
Well
If you notice none of the realators ever mention the things to do down here. It's always about how safe the water is to drink if you buy a place to live down there is. Never once has she mentioned water activities offshore .JWT has never mentioned a single activity that she has engadged in.
Locked inside at night hiding till the sun comes up and only venturing out when she has a place to show.
jerry said:Landmark...good find..I wonder why a large marina for the sports fishermen/sailors is not front and center in this nightmare...at least we would get something out of it.
If you notice none of the realators ever mention the things to do down here. It's always about how safe the water is to drink if you buy a place to live down there is. Never once has she mentioned water activities offshore .JWT has never mentioned a single activity that she has engadged in.
Locked inside at night hiding till the sun comes up and only venturing out when she has a place to show.
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Kelney said:I think this thread is much ado about nothing. You see, there actually has to be a ship at the port for it to actually pollute our beautiful water. I have a better chance of having Kenny let me pick off one of his backyard deer than a ship actually coming to RP.
Not gonna happen.
In the event that some Mexican government dude bribes a cruise official with something along the line of a free massage at the Happy Face, the cruise guy may bring a ship here to christen the joint. I think once that happens he will come to the quick conclusion of "What the hell was I thinking?" Nothing to offer except some guy out front named Russ with a van that holds 10 passengers offering a tour of this sand trap along with the same vendors hawking the same crap that we saw in the last three Mexican ports.
You my friend like fine Whiskey, is getting better with age.
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PPRES
If you are a tourist diver you might want to join us in going down at the next minimal tide change. We have a good group of divers, mostly couples plus a few singles. Everyone reports a good time when a group of us all go down at the same time. We find group activities are the most fun.
Other fun activities abound here. When you move here we will have a chance to show some of you some new things.
As for this forum, some posters are prolific and mutual likkers and lickees, but I don't seem to get many likkers. I'd like to improve this ratio....any suggestions?
If you are a tourist diver you might want to join us in going down at the next minimal tide change. We have a good group of divers, mostly couples plus a few singles. Everyone reports a good time when a group of us all go down at the same time. We find group activities are the most fun.
Other fun activities abound here. When you move here we will have a chance to show some of you some new things.
As for this forum, some posters are prolific and mutual likkers and lickees, but I don't seem to get many likkers. I'd like to improve this ratio....any suggestions?
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Hillbeartoe said:Well
If you notice none of the realators ever mention the things to do down here. It's always about how safe the water is to drink if you buy a place to live down there is. Never once has she mentioned water activities offshore .JWT has never mentioned a single activity that she has engadged in.
Locked inside at night hiding till the sun comes up and only venturing out when she has a place to show.
Whale's, she mentioned the Whale's.
jerry said:Landmark...good find..I wonder why a large marina for the sports fishermen/sailors is not front and center in this nightmare...at least we would get something out of it.
Two “mega-projects” have been planned that, if constructed, will affect the ecosystem of the entire region. In both cases, little progress has been made on the projects in recent years and therefore their future status is unclear. The first is a proposal to build a nautical route, or series of connected ports, throughout the Gulf to facilitate visits by yachts, sailboats, and cruise lines. The project, known as Escalera Náutica del Mar de Cortés y Riviera Maya (referred to in English as “The Sea of Cortez Project”), is being promoted by the federal government and is overseen by the National Fund for Tourism Development (Fondo Nacional de Fomento al Turismo or FONATUR), which was responsible for large-scale tourist developments in Cancún, Ixtapa and Huatulco (Escalera Náutica 2001). Planning for the Escalera Náutica project in the Gulf of California began in 2001 under former President Vicente Fox, who saw tourism as “the passport to modernity” (Escalera Náutica 2001). The plan gained the support of state authorities in Sinaloa, Sonora, Baja California Sur, and Baja California and became a focal point for tourist development in the nation. The plan promotes the construction of 29 new marinas within a one-day travel distance to facilitate the access of more than 60,000 cruise ships and boats throughout the Gulf.!!!
The second project.....Liberty Cove!!!!!!
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JWT said:PPRES
If you are a tourist diver you might want to join us in going down at the next minimal tide change. We have a good group of divers, mostly couples plus a few singles. Everyone reports a good time when a group of us all go down at the same time. We find group activities are the most fun.
Other fun activities abound here. When you move here we will have a chance to show some of you some new things.
As for this forum, some posters are prolific and mutual likkers and lickees, but I don't seem to get many likkers. I'd like to improve this ratio....any suggestions?
Jwt as a PPRES I wondered if you have run into James Thornton? if so is he the same Jt in this story.
Quote from Stopfraud, see link.
Hurd admitted that in 2006 he became involved with Deborah and Todd Joyce of Hurricane in the "flipping" of homes in the Stonegate subdivision in that town. Deborah Joyce obtained inflated appraisals from two local appraisers, James Thornton and Mark Greenlee, and subsequently sent the appraisals on to another co-conspirator Raymond Morris in Salt Lake City.
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/WVS-111110.html
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Landshark said:Two “mega-projects” have been planned that, if constructed, will affect the ecosystem of the entire region. In both cases, little progress has been made on the projects in recent years and therefore their future status is unclear. The first is a proposal to build a nautical route, or series of connected ports, throughout the Gulf to facilitate visits by yachts, sailboats, and cruise lines. The project, known as Escalera Náutica del Mar de Cortés y Riviera Maya (referred to in English as “The Sea of Cortez Project”), is being promoted by the federal government and is overseen by the National Fund for Tourism Development (Fondo Nacional de Fomento al Turismo or FONATUR), which was responsible for large-scale tourist developments in Cancún, Ixtapa and Huatulco (Escalera Náutica 2001). Planning for the Escalera Náutica project in the Gulf of California began in 2001 under former President Vicente Fox, who saw tourism as “the passport to modernity” (Escalera Náutica 2001). The plan gained the support of state authorities in Sinaloa, Sonora, Baja California Sur, and Baja California and became a focal point for tourist development in the nation. The plan promotes the construction of 29 new marinas within a one-day travel distance to facilitate the access of more than 60,000 cruise ships and boats throughout the Gulf.!!!
The second project.....Liberty Cove!!!!!!
Liberty Cove is of course our favorite.I plan on camping down there next month if The Formula 1 race cars are not making too much noise.
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jerry said:Jwt as a PPRES I wondered if you have run into James Thornton? if so is he the same Jt in this story.
Quote from Stopfraud, see link.
Hurd admitted that in 2006 he became involved with Deborah and Todd Joyce of Hurricane in the "flipping" of homes in the Stonegate subdivision in that town. Deborah Joyce obtained inflated appraisals from two local appraisers, James Thornton and Mark Greenlee, and subsequently sent the appraisals on to another co-conspirator Raymond Morris in Salt Lake City.
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/WVS-111110.html
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PPRES
You don't want a big mouth, and your skills letting google tell you what to say, to result in you getting sued by a local JT, if he exists. We suggest you issue an apology right quick.
There she goes with that we stuff again.
Didn't answer the question... sort of, but the response was almost incriminating.
The sweater unraveling?
Didn't answer the question... sort of, but the response was almost incriminating.
The sweater unraveling?
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JWT said:.
PPRES
You don't want a big mouth, and your skills letting google tell you what to say, to result in you getting sued by a local JT, if he exists. We suggest you issue an apology right quick.
Good start with the back door threat JWT but I'm sure you, I mean you's, BIG GRIN, can do better...Not a bad for a Realtor Jerry, but nothing compared to you being shot or me being beat up and in front of my family!
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JWT.....just a question.....if it were me I would just own my past mistakes in the
United States or point out that that is another JT....we all screw up but if someone say stiffs their sub contractors in Arizona,loses in court in Arizona and flees to a new life in Rocky Point I don't hold that against them but I sure would want to know about it before I had them build a house for me...same thing here..
United States or point out that that is another JT....we all screw up but if someone say stiffs their sub contractors in Arizona,loses in court in Arizona and flees to a new life in Rocky Point I don't hold that against them but I sure would want to know about it before I had them build a house for me...same thing here..
mexicoruss said:It's a departure location -not a receiving location or port of call.
If you are a Mexican family that has never cruised....you may want to cruise your home waters.....if you travel like a lot of us do...you want your whole family to go.....little Sophia doesn't have a passport, she cant go, nobody goes.
Here comes Rocky Point Cruise Terminal. A place where as a Mexican you can board (without the hassle of a passport) (without the hassle of going to the USA) with your whole family. Cruise Mexican waters without ever stepping foot in the USA.
I wonder how many on the first ship sailing (small 1500 person vessels) will be from the USA? I think it will be us sailing the first ship, and from projections done probably the first 6 months are sold out.
This is probably a little different than you thought about it.
Six months of solid bookings of mexican cruise passangers...right.... Sophia can already hop on a cruise ship in Guaymas.Why get on here? the same thing goes for all the Americans hiding out in the free zone that would be making a bad mistake if they re enter the states.
mexicoruss said:I enjoy it, my wife enjoys it, the local office of Visitors and conventions supports it, the State of Sonora Tourism Dept. supports it. Most of all, our customers enjoy it, to the point of making us a destination within a destination.
I get to make a living showing foreign people cool things about a cool town on the edge of the sea of Cortes.....and have the support of the locals as well.......I call that a slam dunk! I am so thankful to the local folks that accepted us and make this life possible for my wife and I.
We work hard for our love, Puerto Peñasco, and are dismayed at the negatives ( not so much after we find out who the bashers are) , but hey that is all fair right?
We love the place where we live! Totally!
Heart beating Sonoran blood, life comes in the Sonoran sun, life is good, you gotta get it.
Mexico, live it to believe it!
your commercial interests and the interests of American vacation home owner are just not the same.
The Homeport at this point is also a bad deal for the Mexican people that live in Puerto Penasco.They have no say over the failure of their local government to setup a thirty dollar a head charge for this intrusive " lots of pain little gain" endeavor.
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jerry said:Jwt as a PPRES I wondered if you have run into James Thornton? if so is he the same Jt in this story.
Quote from Stopfraud, see link.
Hurd admitted that in 2006 he became involved with Deborah and Todd Joyce of Hurricane in the "flipping" of homes in the Stonegate subdivision in that town. Deborah Joyce obtained inflated appraisals from two local appraisers, James Thornton and Mark Greenlee, and subsequently sent the appraisals on to another co-conspirator Raymond Morris in Salt Lake City.
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/WVS-111110.html
Sounds like a visit is in order from the US Marshalls Service. PPARREST
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JWT said:.
PPRES
You don't want a big mouth, and your skills letting google tell you what to say, to result in you getting sued by a local JT, if he exists. We suggest you issue an apology right quick.
There is a person who says he is named James Thornton who has an office on Fremont, JMP International Real Estate Group, web site www.buyrockypoint.com. Do not know is this is the same person.
JWT. are you James Thornton?
BTW I'm pretty sure there are no slander laws in Mexico. Hard, difficult or impossible to sue someone for something they say. Also Jerry was asking a question based on a fraud report from a government site. He did not make it up. Permanent residents who have been around know that is is fairly common to meet people here that are hiding from some legal issue in the states. It's a fair inquiry. Was guy who hung out at Bryans, here for years hiding from child support payments, the US Marshal came and got him, took him home to face charges.
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jerry said:Jwt as a PPRES I wondered if you have run into James Thornton? if so is he the same Jt in this story.
Quote from Stopfraud, see link.
Hurd admitted that in 2006 he became involved with Deborah and Todd Joyce of Hurricane in the "flipping" of homes in the Stonegate subdivision in that town. Deborah Joyce obtained inflated appraisals from two local appraisers, James Thornton and Mark Greenlee, and subsequently sent the appraisals on to another co-conspirator Raymond Morris in Salt Lake City.
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/WVS-111110.html
And to top it off...This case was prosecuted as part of President Obama's Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force to wage an aggressive, coordinated and proactive effort to investigate and prosecute financial crimes.
jerry said:Six months of solid bookings of mexican cruise passangers...right.... Sophia can already hop on a cruise ship in Guaymas.Why get on here? the same thing goes for all the Americans hiding out in the free zone that would be making a bad mistake if they re enter the states.
You might be able to hop on a ship but its going to its homeport in some other country, Again you will need passport to board again.
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Lets see....Guaymas advantages....closer to population centers,better in rough water,better public transportation,superior infrastructure, a growing mexican middle class
Yeah thanks for saying that Alacrane, I thought maybe he had new knowledge that the cruisers were actually 4500 passenger taxis you can pick up and drop off of anywhere. I was confused. Sophi still wants a cruise though.
Back to the topic I heard from a Matzatlan based marine biologist the enviromental impact studies are a sham and predicted huge sand/ trash issues.The following came from a after report bashing Vincente Fox for going ahead with the Nautical Ladder....might learn from the history of the nautical ladder.
Presidents of Mexico are limited to one 6 year term of office. It is seen as important for them to leave a lasting mark by creating some form of “brick and mortar” project which will bear their imprint. Obtaining land for these projects can be a major problem. The government typically promises the concession to operate tourist related and other businesses around the projects to the landowners who allow the government to carry out the projects on their land. Such was the case at Santa Rosalillita, and this may have played a major role in deciding where the marina was to be located. The site selected appeared to be the most sheltered part of the bay, and the owner made the land available, but there were other factors that were overlooked. The environmental impact study that was done prior to construction did not look at sediment transport. The sheltered area behind the dunes on Santa Rosalita Point, where wind surfers go because of the shallow sandy reef that creates rideable waves and has offshore winds, is also the center of what coastal engineers call a littoral cell. A littoral cell is a unit where sediment transport is occurring. If you don’t want to be impacted by sand build up, you need to do construction at the end of a littoral cell. The marina jetties at Santa Rosaliita were constructed in the middle of a sand transport system and thus interrupted sediment transport. The moving sand was blocked and tended to build up on the upcoast side and disappear on the downcoast side. It was remarked by workers dredging the new marina, that the deepening of the marina created by dredging one day would be gone when dredging started the following day. On our last visit to the area just before work was stopped, the sand at low tide was exposed out to the mouth of the marina entrance. It is apparent that the jetties would have to be much longer to protect the entrance from sand filling up the inside of the marina and that as currently designed, the constant dredging necessary to make the marina workable would be economically impractical. As of the current time, all work has stopped and the project appears to be abandoned
Presidents of Mexico are limited to one 6 year term of office. It is seen as important for them to leave a lasting mark by creating some form of “brick and mortar” project which will bear their imprint. Obtaining land for these projects can be a major problem. The government typically promises the concession to operate tourist related and other businesses around the projects to the landowners who allow the government to carry out the projects on their land. Such was the case at Santa Rosalillita, and this may have played a major role in deciding where the marina was to be located. The site selected appeared to be the most sheltered part of the bay, and the owner made the land available, but there were other factors that were overlooked. The environmental impact study that was done prior to construction did not look at sediment transport. The sheltered area behind the dunes on Santa Rosalita Point, where wind surfers go because of the shallow sandy reef that creates rideable waves and has offshore winds, is also the center of what coastal engineers call a littoral cell. A littoral cell is a unit where sediment transport is occurring. If you don’t want to be impacted by sand build up, you need to do construction at the end of a littoral cell. The marina jetties at Santa Rosaliita were constructed in the middle of a sand transport system and thus interrupted sediment transport. The moving sand was blocked and tended to build up on the upcoast side and disappear on the downcoast side. It was remarked by workers dredging the new marina, that the deepening of the marina created by dredging one day would be gone when dredging started the following day. On our last visit to the area just before work was stopped, the sand at low tide was exposed out to the mouth of the marina entrance. It is apparent that the jetties would have to be much longer to protect the entrance from sand filling up the inside of the marina and that as currently designed, the constant dredging necessary to make the marina workable would be economically impractical. As of the current time, all work has stopped and the project appears to be abandoned
mexicoruss said:Yeah thanks for saying that Alacrane, I thought maybe he had new knowledge that the cruisers were actually 4500 passenger taxis you can pick up and drop off of anywhere. I was confused. Sophi still wants a cruise though.
Sorry Sophia I stand corrected the Uni Cruise ships that were leaving from Guaymas and planning bigger boats have now moved all departures to Baja.The reason was the LACK of mexican cruisers and more importantly the fear of American cruisers to enter Mexico via car.This is a bad sign for the Homeport too. http://www.un-cruise.com/mexico-cruises
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Comments from a battle to south on the sand issues. "Let's see ... build a big pier for cruise ships
at Troncones, and all the parking and bus places
and of course a tourist market.
Uh-oh it is sort of open ocean, so we'll need a
breakwater. You know what that does, it re-directs
the sand so the beach disappears.
Remember when they built the new pier for boats to go to Ixtapa Island?
Remember how the sandy beach disappeared.
breakwater.... it re-directs the sand so the beach disappears....Melia Azul turned it into a place of dirt and rocks..
Another GOOD Point….!!
Being from California, I’m certain that you have indeed “seen the movie before”, as the HUGE anchorage breakwater built by the Army Corp of Engineers some 50 years ago in Oceanside alone, has necessarily launched intense international study of coastal alluvial planes and valleys impacts ever since.
Artificially disturbing the complex interplay of naturally-occurring intertidal troughs and the ‘re-sanding cycle’ is something not to be taken lightly..... ANYWHERE..... as the catastrophically resulting beach and coastal cliff erosion problems in San Diego County have had, and STILL Do have disastrous effects ranging some 25+ MILESsouth of the Oceanside jetty..…… to this very day!!
It was just such preliminary alluvial studies that thwarted a similar cruiseship pier project from being launched in Puerto Escondido, OAX, a few years back..... which has been at least temporaily 'shelved'.
at Troncones, and all the parking and bus places
and of course a tourist market.
Uh-oh it is sort of open ocean, so we'll need a
breakwater. You know what that does, it re-directs
the sand so the beach disappears.
Remember when they built the new pier for boats to go to Ixtapa Island?
Remember how the sandy beach disappeared.
breakwater.... it re-directs the sand so the beach disappears....Melia Azul turned it into a place of dirt and rocks..
Another GOOD Point….!!
Being from California, I’m certain that you have indeed “seen the movie before”, as the HUGE anchorage breakwater built by the Army Corp of Engineers some 50 years ago in Oceanside alone, has necessarily launched intense international study of coastal alluvial planes and valleys impacts ever since.
Artificially disturbing the complex interplay of naturally-occurring intertidal troughs and the ‘re-sanding cycle’ is something not to be taken lightly..... ANYWHERE..... as the catastrophically resulting beach and coastal cliff erosion problems in San Diego County have had, and STILL Do have disastrous effects ranging some 25+ MILESsouth of the Oceanside jetty..…… to this very day!!
It was just such preliminary alluvial studies that thwarted a similar cruiseship pier project from being launched in Puerto Escondido, OAX, a few years back..... which has been at least temporaily 'shelved'.
jerry said:Back to the topic I heard from a Matzatlan based marine biologist the enviromental impact studies are a sham and predicted huge sand/ trash issues.The following came from a after report bashing Vincente Fox for going ahead with the Nautical Ladder....might learn from the history of the nautical ladder.
Reports say President Fox's Nautical Ladder project has been abandoned due to lack of federal funding. It was also reported later the project was renamed. Now referred to as the 'El Proyecto Mar de Cortes' - aka The Sea of Cortez Project', it calls for 28 nautical stops in five states. There is also some airport construction and upkeep factored into the project. Apparently if you're the kind of person who has your own yacht, you are the kind of person who would like to fly into Mexico. Sound familiar?
Also being reported the completed marinas include those in Mazatlan, Sinaloa; Puerto Escondido, La Paz and Santa Rosalia in Baja California Sur; San Felipe in Baja California (Norte); San Blas, Nayarit; Puerto Peñasco and San Carlos, Sonora. In an unfinished state are marinas in Topolobampo, Sinaloa and Santa Rosalillita, BCN. Juan Manuel Galarza Tohen, Director General of FONATUR, claimed success for the eight operating marinas and scales, saying it has triggered regional development in each case, which was the goal. The original project is canceled. We stay with 10 marinas." They include Puerto Penasco in the "completed" list, which appears to mean it is not on the "cancelled" list and will be completed.
Critics of the Nautical Ladder/Proyecto Mar de Cortes project are worried about the environmental impact of the project itself and the resulting uptick in tourism. They also criticize Fonatur and it's lack of specifics with relation to what is actually being built. Indeed, finding any details on the proposed developments has proven very difficult.
Clearly Puerto Penasco's "Homeport" is not just a random project, but part of a modified Sea of Cortez project. The airport is completed and the "Homeport" is under construction with funding in place. A ladder is normally perceived to be unusable without all of it's rungs, but in this case it appears that's not necessarily true. However, the final rung that provides a link to the United States is absolutely necessary for the ladder to be productive.
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Historically these guys couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery as the Kiwis say.We are to believe this has been the plan all along?...no way...hustlers scrambling is more like it.
Landshark said:Reports say President Fox's Nautical Ladder project has been abandoned due to lack of federal funding. It was also reported later the project was renamed. Now referred to as the 'El Proyecto Mar de Cortes' - aka The Sea of Cortez Project', it calls for 28 nautical stops in five states. There is also some airport construction and upkeep factored into the project. Apparently if you're the kind of person who has your own yacht, you are the kind of person who would like to fly into Mexico. Sound familiar?
Also being reported the completed marinas include those in Mazatlan, Sinaloa; Puerto Escondido, La Paz and Santa Rosalia in Baja California Sur; San Felipe in Baja California (Norte); San Blas, Nayarit; Puerto Peñasco and San Carlos, Sonora. In an unfinished state are marinas in Topolobampo, Sinaloa and Santa Rosalillita, BCN. Juan Manuel Galarza Tohen, Director General of FONATUR, claimed success for the eight operating marinas and scales, saying it has triggered regional development in each case, which was the goal. The original project is canceled. We stay with 10 marinas." They include Puerto Penasco in the "completed" list, which appears to mean it is not on the "cancelled" list and will be completed.
Critics of the Nautical Ladder/Proyecto Mar de Cortes project are worried about the environmental impact of the project itself and the resulting uptick in tourism. They also criticize Fonatur and it's lack of specifics with relation to what is actually being built. Indeed, finding any details on the proposed developments has proven very difficult.
Clearly Puerto Penasco's "Homeport" is not just a random project, but part of a modified Sea of Cortez project. The airport is completed and the "Homeport" is under construction with funding in place. A ladder is normally perceived to be unusable without all of it's rungs, but in this case it appears that's not necessarily true. However, the final rung that provides a link to the United States is absolutely necessary for the ladder to be productive.
Working again.
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jerry said:Historically these guys couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery as the Kiwis say.We are to believe this has been the plan all along?...no way...hustlers scrambling is more like it.
You may be right. All speculation on my part. If massive funding continues through good and bad until the home port is completed then we may need to reconsider. Especially with the history of "missing" construction funding so far. Take a high level obsession to accomplish that. Time will tell.
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" Take a high level obsession to accomplish that. "
I suppose it can crash and burn but at this point it's just a matter of the overall impact because, it's going to go ahead.
I suppose it can crash and burn but at this point it's just a matter of the overall impact because, it's going to go ahead.
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Hillbeartoe said:" Take a high level obsession to accomplish that"
HilliB, I was thinking more like massive federal funding to finish the jetty & related support facilities.
Jim Rinquist who was once and years ago known to his many friends as Javelina Jim is one of the straight shooter's in a sea of questionable agents in PP. Though I don't think this Homeport deal is a good thing and will be harmful to not only the sea of Cortez but to some who live there as well, I certainly don't hold it against Jim as he's doing is job and as always, he's doing it well.
EDIT..Looks like Hillbeartoe changed by edit his post that mentioned Jim but no harm in letting the above stand.
EDIT..Looks like Hillbeartoe changed by edit his post that mentioned Jim but no harm in letting the above stand.
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Yes, I have heard from him and with respect will not be including him in my comments. I had hoped that I had made clear I wasn't shooting at anyone but the name was everywhere when reading other forum member posts.
As always, I have my opinion on matters but my only wish is that anything that happens helps the peoples of Puerto Peñasco.
Truthfully I don't think anything said here could possibly affect anything unless you have the money to make it so.
Aside from our PPRES here I have no wish to cause waves, and I apologize if anyone has or will in the future take offense to something I have posted.
Ty Kenny because it does make a difference as who to trust or not these days. I appreciate the heads up.
As always, I have my opinion on matters but my only wish is that anything that happens helps the peoples of Puerto Peñasco.
Truthfully I don't think anything said here could possibly affect anything unless you have the money to make it so.
Aside from our PPRES here I have no wish to cause waves, and I apologize if anyone has or will in the future take offense to something I have posted.
Ty Kenny because it does make a difference as who to trust or not these days. I appreciate the heads up.
Hillbeartoe said:Yes, I have heard from him and with respect will not be including him in my comments. I had hoped that I had made clear I wasn't shooting at anyone but the name was everywhere when reading other forum member posts.
As always, I have my opinion on matters but my only wish is that anything that happens helps the peoples of Puerto Peñasco.
Truthfully I don't think anything said here could possibly affect anything unless you have the money to make it so.
Aside from our PPRES here I have no wish to cause waves, and I apologize if anyone has or will in the future take offense to something I have posted.
Ty Kenny because it does make a difference as who to trust or not these days. I appreciate the heads up.
I didn't think nor did it read as if you were casting one of your Voodoo spells Jims way, I just thought I'd give my old friend a shout out.:)
Really, I hadn't decided anything good nor bad about him and I am so glad that he is a good guy.
Mostly through my obsession with figuring out who/what our PPRES friend is linked to, his name was everywhere. In retrospect it bothers me I allowed myself to get so fixed on that member that I posted names that I had been seeing for sometime now though there was no evidence. The trappings of forums.
I am glad to now know he is a forum member here, though I wish he spoke up more. People that are in the know here are why people like myself come to this forum.
It would be interesting to hear his take on Jerry's thread.
Mostly through my obsession with figuring out who/what our PPRES friend is linked to, his name was everywhere. In retrospect it bothers me I allowed myself to get so fixed on that member that I posted names that I had been seeing for sometime now though there was no evidence. The trappings of forums.
I am glad to now know he is a forum member here, though I wish he spoke up more. People that are in the know here are why people like myself come to this forum.
It would be interesting to hear his take on Jerry's thread.
Hillbeartoe said:
It would be interesting to hear his take on Jerry's thread.
Ha, I'd just like to hear he got out on the water again and caught some big WSB.
Not a chance, he's way to smart than to pop off on here.
Kenny said:Ha, I'd just like to hear he got out on the water again and caught some big WSB.
Not a chance, he's way to smart than to pop off on here.
Then what does that say about me? LOL. Not to smart I guess.
I love you guys man, there are some good caring people here....
I wish I had some power to affect change down there. Workin on it.
Hey not to worry as you've been a good addition to this forum and you have already made friends here. Not sure what kind though.:eek: