Gun battle in front of school in Rocky Point March 17

FRONTERA SONOYTA.....AHORA SI...SE SOLTÓ EL DIABLO....EN SONOYTA Y PUERTO PEÑASCO.....NOS INFORMAN QUE EJECUTARON AL JEFE DE LA PLAZA DEL CRIMEN ORGANIZADO,EN PUERTO PEÑASCO..A LAS AFUERAS DE UN COLEGIO....SERIAN CERCAS DE LAS 3:00 DE LA TARDE CUANDO UN PISTOLERO LE DISPARO DEJANDO GRAVEMENTE HERIDO A ADRIAN SALAZAR, (EL 03)....CUAL MAS TARDE MURIÓ EN UN HOSPITAL....LA CRUENTA BATALLA ENTRE BANDAS RIVALES DEL CRIMEN ORGANIZADO QUE SE LLEVA ACABO EN NUESTRA COMUNIDAD DE SONOYTA.....ENTRE LOS SALAZARES Y LOS MEMOS.....YA TUMBO AL PRIMER JEFE....Y ESTO NO AUGURA MAS QUE MAS SANGRE ENTRE ESTOS CRIMINALES....LE PEDIMOS A NUESTRA COMUNIDADES TANTO DE SONOYTA,PUERTO PEÑASCO Y CABORCA....EXTREMAR PRECAUCIONES ANTE LO QUE ESTA POR VENIR.....YA QUE ESTE DELINCUENTE (EL 03)....ERA DE LOS NARCOS MAS PESADOS DE LA REGIÓN.....FRONTERA SONOYTA.....

Border sonoyta..... now if... He let go of the devil.... on sonoyta and port..... We are reporting that executed the head of the square of organised crime, in port.. on the outskirts of a school.... would be close to 3:00 in the afternoon when a gunman shot leaving seriously injured to Adrian Salazar, (03).... which later died in a hospital.... the bloody battle between rival gangs of organised crime that is taken place in our community from sonoyta..... between salazares and the memos..... Already hit the first head.... and this is not a good indication of more than more blood between these criminals.... We asked our communities of both sonoyta, port and caborca.... Take full precautions to what is yet to come..... Since this delinquent (03).... It was of the drug lords more heavy in the region..... Border sonoyta.....

Of course the boosters said nothing....

Look here you, I am waiting for the next issue of Rockypoint360 to get the real news. :)
http://rockypoint360.com/category/news/

Well it did have some good information.....potholes being fixed a little bit headed toward Caborca and The shellfish ban is still on I think

Confirmed shooting at that location by nieghbors. Street talk is 2 were killed. If one was the jefe of the Penasco Plaza it could be bad. If you are here at the moment keep your eyes open and head down. This could heat up overnight, hopefully not. Not to be a chicken little but I will post more as I hear more. People need to make informed decisions.

Oh Oh it's contagious. I was going to go up to Mesa today, but I guess I'll cancel. Said six shot, one killed, so far.

Suspect on loose after multiple people shot in Mesa, Arizona

Yes, wife and I were on our way to Tempe and DPS and everyone was heading to one of the sites.
I knew it must have been a shooting since DPS was getting off the freeway to participate.

Roberto said:

People need to make informed decisions.

Indeed. I don't see it as fear-mongering at all. I'd rather know the reality of these situations than "unicorns and rainbows." I think that's where we (the forum as a whole) provides valuable information.

Hillbeartoe said:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/4-shot-in-phoenix-suburb-shooting-spree-suspect-at-large/ar-BBinSbJ

In Mexico, you get shot by the cartel bad guys. Usually very targeted and specific. In the US, you get shot by some crazy SOB with no specific reason that got his hands on a gun. Hard to read much of anything into the report in Mesa at the moment. Appears to be totally random.

Just got back to PDO after a trip to three hardware stores, I guess they don't use roll pins in Penasco, everything seemed pretty normal.

Well, we will find out someone lost their job or girlfriend was cheating.
And that it's some recently released con or something.
I am all for gun ownership but in Arizona they all but sell them in gumball machines. I am sure you know what I mean Stuart.
I live down the street from the QT where the employee was shot a couple months back. He was shot for not giving the guy his cigarettes fast enough. Then it turned out to be 2 of my students dad.... small world, just never know.
Actually, Mesa buries a lot of bad shit that goes on. Seems it might affect investment...o_O. And also Ironic if nothing else that Mesa was just voted the most "Conservative" city in the U.S.
Certainly not one of the safest I imagine.

As always, thanks to Jerry for the heads up. :)

Stuart said:

In Mexico, you get shot by the cartel bad guys. Usually very targeted and specific. In the US, you get shot by some crazy SOB with no specific reason that got his hands on a gun. Hard to read much of anything into the report in Mesa at the moment. Appears to be totally random.

Yes there are a lot of stupid shooting in the US but at least you hear relatively accurate information about them. Not so here, virtually always an immediate coverup. Don't know that the 'targeted and specific' coment is valid. Having seen lots of videos of cartel battles, there is a shit load of ammo fired almost in a random manner. They seem to have lots of ammo but no training. Overheard on one video of a gunbattle was a shooter asking how to turn off the saftey !! Official reports are often that the dead are all cartel, unofficial reports from locals report bystanders shot also. Remember the painter out near the ballpark.

Elementary schools in Penasco reported all closed due to the shooting so someone is worried. Local news reports one dead and street talk is 4 or 5 dead and several injured including 3 police.

Meanwhile in Mesa.

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whoop! there it is!

found this article:

http://translate.google.com.mx/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://penascodigital.com/&prev=search

Roberto said:

Yes there are a lot of stupid shooting in the US but at least you hear relatively accurate information about them. Not so here, virtually always an immediate coverup. Don't know that the 'targeted and specific' coment is valid. Having seen lots of videos of cartel battles, there is a shit load of ammo fired almost in a random manner. They seem to have lots of ammo but no training. Overheard on one video of a gunbattle was a shooter asking how to turn off the saftey !! Official reports are often that the dead are all cartel, unofficial reports from locals report bystanders shot also. Remember the painter out near the ballpark.

Roberto If you scroll down to the article you will see that it is false about the schools being closed.https://www.facebook.com/groups/facejob.penasco/?fref=nf

mexicoruss said:

Meanwhile in Mesa.

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In custody.
http://www.azfamily.com/story/28552647/1-killed-5-more-wounded-in-mesa-shooting-spree

Hows it lookin down there?

joanC said:

found this article:

http://translate.google.com.mx/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://penascodigital.com/&prev=search

sorry bad link. the article I was reading is called "shiver bloody events in Puerto Penasco". is this a second crime scene?

joanC said:

sorry bad link. the article I was reading is called "shiver bloody events in Puerto Penasco". is this a second crime scene?

Thats how I read it.
1 shot in in/by school then 2 more somewhere else in PP....?

playaperro said:

Roberto If you scroll down to the article you will see that it is false about the schools being closed.https://www.facebook.com/groups/facejob.penasco/?fref=nf

I scrolled a lot saw lots of stuff for for sale. Might be confusion between Sonoyta and Penasco.

Roberto said:

I scrolled a lot saw lots of stuff for for sale. Might be confusion between Sonoyta and Penasco.

Its there.

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Penasco digital reports there is/was no school closings in Penasco.

Holy crap Dog, how do you do that ??!!??

Roberto said:

Holy crap Dog, how do you do that ??!!??

It's a copy from facebook. That's how it comes out.

Hillbeartoe said:

Well, we will find out someone lost their job or girlfriend was cheating.
And that it's some recently released con or something.
I am all for gun ownership but in Arizona they all but sell them in gumball machines. I am sure you know what I mean Stuart.
I live down the street from the QT where the employee was shot a couple months back. He was shot for not giving the guy his cigarettes fast enough. Then it turned out to be 2 of my students dad.... small world, just never know.
Actually, Mesa buries a lot of bad shit that goes on. Seems it might affect investment...o_O. And also Ironic if nothing else that Mesa was just voted the most "Conservative" city in the U.S.
Certainly not one of the safest I imagine.

As always, thanks to Jerry for the heads up. :)

..."but in Arizona they all but sell them in gumball machines." Where do you get that from? In Arizona, just like the rest of the US, one must execute a federal ATF Form 4473, and submit to an instant background check in order to buy a firearm.

U.S. officials are not planning to issue a travel warning in response to the drug cartel related ambush earlier this week that killed seven people and wounded four others near the Arizona border in the Mexican state of Sonora.

Although the ambush occurred less than 1 mile from the Arizona border it happened in a desolate area more than an hour's drive east of the town of Sonoyta where Americans are not likely to be affected, said Chad Cummins, the U.S. consul general in Nogales said today.

"In this case due to the remoteness of the incident and that no Americans are impacted or are expected to be impacted we do not plan to issue a message at this time, Cummins told The Arizona Republic.

Sonoyta is located across from Lukeville, Ariz., which is on the route Americans take when traveling to Puerto Peñasco, or Rocky Point, a popular beach resort town that swells with tourists during spring break and Easter.

U.S. officials are advising Americans traveling to Puerto Penasco to travel during the day, he said.

The ambush took place in a gap between two mountain ranges east of Sonoyta less than 1 mile from the border with Arizona, according to Mexican authorities and Mexican news reports.

The victims are believed to have been working for a criminal organization when they were ambushed by members of another criminal gang, Mexicans authorities said.

The area is a well-known drug-smuggling corridor controlled by the Sinaloa drug cartel.

Four of the bodies were found Wednesday inside the bed of a Chevy Silverado pickup truck, two more were found on the ground next to the pickup and another was found about 160 yards away, authorities said. One victim found alive was taken to the hospital.

Three of the victims had IDs that said they were from the towns of Caborca, Altar and Sinaloa. Police are still trying to identify the others, Mexican authorities said.

Mexican police began searching for the bodies on Tuesday after a man with a bullet wound was brought to a hospital in Caborca and reported that he and a group of other people had been ambushed by a group of armed men, leaving several people dead and wounded.

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Smilin' Jack said:

..."but in Arizona they all but sell them in gumball machines." Where do you get that from? In Arizona, just like the rest of the US, one must execute a federal ATF Form 4473, and submit to an instant background check in order to buy a firearm.

Many ways around it... If you go buy at a store yes.

Private sales have nothing to do with 4473.

Don't get all fired up, Arizona has some of the most lax gun laws in the U.S. it's not opinion. I am not saying something unheard of. Exaggeration, only slightly.

The only thing that is a problem is getting available or affordable ammo.

I own guns and would never let someone take that right away so get a grip.

Terry C said:

Although the ambush occurred less than 1 mile from the Arizona border it happened in a desolate area more than an hour's drive east of the town of Sonoyta where Americans are not likely to be affected, said Chad Cummins, the U.S. consul general in Nogales said today.


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The incident reported here is in Penasco, not the one referred to in the report above which occured outside of Sonoyta. The Penasco incident occured yesterday, 3/17 the Sonoyta incident occured earlier. The two may be realted or not. The concern for me about the Penasco incident was the report that the person shot was the plaza manager, head guy, for the cartel controlling the drug business in Penasco. If that is the case, (the head guy getting shot), it often means that a competing cartel is wanting to take over the Penasco plaza and that could easily lead to more violence as control is contested. There are two different names offered in reports so it is not clear who got shot or who the plaza manager is or was. Carnac is working on it.

There are also some informal reports about another, different shooting occuring in Penasco yesterday. A plaza manager shot and two additional shooting is a short time would certainly get my attention. As usual, lots of rumor and competing information. Again Carnac is working on it.

I was just passing on info I heard on the other shooting.

Roberto said:

The incident reported here is in Penasco, not the one referred to in the report above which occured outside of Sonoyta. The Penasco incident occured yesterday, 3/17 the Sonoyta incident occured earlier. The two may be realted or not. The concern for me about the Penasco incident was the report that the person shot was the plaza manager, head guy, for the cartel controlling the drug business in Penasco. If that is the case, (the head guy getting shot), it often means that a competing cartel is wanting to take over the Penasco plaza and that could easily lead to more violence as control is contested. There are two different names offered in reports so it is not clear who got shot or who the plaza manager is or was. Carnac is working on it.

There are also some informal reports about another, different shooting occuring in Penasco yesterday. A plaza manager shot and two additional shooting is a short time would certainly get my attention. As usual, lots of rumor and competing information. Again Carnac is working on it.

I may be working on it, but definetly wont be posting the results of my investigation......But I might P.M. you

Be careful going to Caborca or Lobos: http://www.numerounoonline.com/main/caborca/200737-redaccion#.VQogVY7F9rM

she worked at Borboas Auto. Her and her husband were murdered in Caborca this weekend too...just regular people ...the police force is down to fifty officers in Caborca...RP way down number wise to.....you are sort of on your own..

Roberto said:

The incident reported here is in Penasco, not the one referred to in the report above which occured outside of Sonoyta. The Penasco incident occured yesterday, 3/17 the Sonoyta incident occured earlier. The two may be realted or not. The concern for me about the Penasco incident was the report that the person shot was the plaza manager, head guy, for the cartel controlling the drug business in Penasco. If that is the case, (the head guy getting shot), it often means that a competing cartel is wanting to take over the Penasco plaza and that could easily lead to more violence as control is contested. There are two different names offered in reports so it is not clear who got shot or who the plaza manager is or was. Carnac is working on it.

There are also some informal reports about another, different shooting occuring in Penasco yesterday. A plaza manager shot and two additional shooting is a short time would certainly get my attention. As usual, lots of rumor and competing information. Again Carnac is working on it.

Thanks Carnac.....the dead guy was with a gang fighting The Memos.....a Sinaloa offshoot...T

Is this what happened in Penasco Tuesday?

Smilin' Jack said:

..."but in Arizona they all but sell them in gumball machines." Where do you get that from? In Arizona, just like the rest of the US, one must execute a federal ATF Form 4473, and submit to an instant background check in order to buy a firearm.

You ever go to a gun show and buy from a fellow kook.....no fuss no muss

MIRAMAR said:

Be careful going to Caborca or Lobos: http://www.numerounoonline.com/main/caborca/200737-redaccion#.VQogVY7F9rM

Miramar, people in Caborca have just had it.....over 300 marched to the state prosecutor office.....if you are there after dark you really need to check when you come to your car...they were taken in the parking lot of a nice restaurant

mexicoruss said:

Meanwhile in Mesa.

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The suspect, who police sought for nearly four hours, was described as a bald, white male with face and neck tattoos, in his late 30's or early 40s, wearing a black shirt and black shorts.

Since he was white they Tazed him...mexican or black guy would have had 20 bullets in him in that cracker city

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/18/us/arizona-mesa-shootings/
This is what happened here. In Penasco I only hear that someone got hit because they screwed the wrong person. Here it was just another idiot killing anyone in the way. Headed down to join my wife in the am, no fear of stray bullets.
Mesa doesn't care what color you are Jerry, Mesa police are equal opportunity assassins.

jerry said:

The suspect, who police sought for nearly four hours, was described as a bald, white male with face and neck tattoos, in his late 30's or early 40s, wearing a black shirt and black shorts.

Since he was white they Tazed him...mexican or black guy would have had 20 bullets in him in that cracker city

OMFG, thank you for saying that. If I would have said it.... I was thinking the same thing.

dmcauley said:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/18/us/arizona-mesa-shootings/

Mesa doesn't care what color you are Jerry, Mesa police are equal opportunity assassins.

LOL.

Hillbeartoe said:

Many ways around it... If you go buy at a store yes.

Private sales have nothing to do with 4473.

Don't get all fired up, Arizona has some of the most lax gun laws in the U.S. it's not opinion. I am not saying something unheard of. Exaggeration, only slightly.

The only thing that is a problem is getting available or affordable ammo.

I own guns and would never let someone take that right away so get a grip.

It's unclear what message you are trying to get across. Private sales between law-abiding citizens have nothing to do with crime, if that is what you are inferring. Private sales between criminals cannot be controlled by laws. Chicago is a good example, where there is a lucrative criminal market for stolen guns. The availability of, or affordable ammo is only a problem for the law-abiding. Try keeping your guns in New York, or Hawaii as a law-abiding citizen. As long as one's rights have been taken away in any part of our country, we are all at risk.

I think you are over complicating what my initial point was, which is that getting guns in Arizona is very easy.

Legally purchased in a store , personally bought and sold with legal intent, personal sold with no knowledge of buyers intent or personal with criminal intent is not the point.

You keep mentioning 4473, it ONLY applies to Retail sellers.

"Q: Is it legal to buy or sell a gun if neither party is a federally licensed dealer?
A: Yes, in Arizona, Utah and Nevada providing the seller or the buyer is not a prohibited person under Federal law. California has laws in addition to the Federal law, and all firearms transfers must be processed through a California licensed dealer. No one may bypass any law that applies in their State of residence. In general, you must be a resident of the state where the gun show is being held to purchase any modern firearms at the show. "
http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/faqs.php

How about this stuff;

"On Monday, Gov. Jan Brewer signed two gun laws. One would forbid cities and counties from destroying weapons they obtained through gun-buyback programs. Instead, they must resell them so that guns purchased by police departments to get them off the streets will then be put right back on the streets."

Or,

"Ms. Brewer also signed another law on Monday, which updated an older statute.

Under the original, no government agency in Arizona was allowed to “require or maintain” a record of “the identifying information of a person who owns, possesses purchases, sells or transfers a firearm” — unless he or she bought it from a federally license gun dealer. The new bill strikes that exemption and applies the don’t record rule to every gun sale, everywhere."

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/keeping-guns-in-circulation/?_r=0

You can not say that private sales between law abiding citizens "can't" contribute to crime for the mere fact that a private seller would not get an honest answer if they were to ask a potential buyer if they intend to use it in a criminal manner. o_O

"Similarly, a study by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF) in June 2000 reviewed over 1,500 ATF investigations and concluded that gun shows are a “major trafficking channel,” associated with approximately 26,000 firearms diverted from legal to illegal commerce.7 According to the study, gun shows rank second to corrupt dealers as a source for illegally trafficked firearms.8 Another study explained that, while violent criminals do not buy most of their guns directly from gun shows, gun shows are “the critical moment in the chain of custody for many guns, the point at which they move from the somewhat-regulated legal market to the shadowy, no-questions-asked illegal market.”9

Additionally;
"Gun shows are a popular venue for “private sales” in which unlicensed sellers can sell guns without background checks. A 1999 ATF study found that 25 to 50% of gun show vendors are unlicensed.10 These private sellers frequently rent table space at gun shows and carry or post “Private Sale” signs signalling that purchases require no paperwork, no background check, no waiting period and no record keeping.11"

http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-shows-policy-summary/

Since you want to turn this into something, lets get real and realize that your 4473 point is moot.

So again I say, we all BUT sell them in Gumball machines here!

And again I say I am a gun owner and would not give up my rights as such.

Where did the popcorn emoji go?

Another bullet hole in my barn from a group of varmit hunters..idiots withguns.... The State of Arizona plague. Chained them in on the grazing allotment and waited for the cops..who did not show for 4 hours....the bubbas took 15 shots to open my Israeli lock...one succeeded in grazing his buddy...so I let them go....they claim they will fix the holes...we will see....

jerry said:

When I was down last week a local friend of mine and I were taking some brush and junk to the dump on the east side of Penasco.

We drove past a number of newer housing complexes just west of the dump that were for sale or rent. My friend said they were owned by the Cartel.

As we were heading back to Cholla he said to me a few times, Problemas en Penasco, Sonoyta y Caborca, pero muy Tranquillo en Cholla.
I had to laugh when I saw the bullet riddled car with the tranquillo caption.

Hillbeartoe said:

I think you are over complicating what my initial point was, which is that getting guns in Arizona is very easy.

Legally purchased in a store , personally bought and sold with legal intent, personal sold with no knowledge of buyers intent or personal with criminal intent is not the point.

You keep mentioning 4473, it ONLY applies to Retail sellers.

"Q: Is it legal to buy or sell a gun if neither party is a federally licensed dealer?
A: Yes, in Arizona, Utah and Nevada providing the seller or the buyer is not a prohibited person under Federal law. California has laws in addition to the Federal law, and all firearms transfers must be processed through a California licensed dealer. No one may bypass any law that applies in their State of residence. In general, you must be a resident of the state where the gun show is being held to purchase any modern firearms at the show. "
http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/faqs.php

How about this stuff;

"On Monday, Gov. Jan Brewer signed two gun laws. One would forbid cities and counties from destroying weapons they obtained through gun-buyback programs. Instead, they must resell them so that guns purchased by police departments to get them off the streets will then be put right back on the streets."

Or,

"Ms. Brewer also signed another law on Monday, which updated an older statute.

Under the original, no government agency in Arizona was allowed to “require or maintain” a record of “the identifying information of a person who owns, possesses purchases, sells or transfers a firearm” — unless he or she bought it from a federally license gun dealer. The new bill strikes that exemption and applies the don’t record rule to every gun sale, everywhere."

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/keeping-guns-in-circulation/?_r=0

You can not say that private sales between law abiding citizens "can't" contribute to crime for the mere fact that a private seller would not get an honest answer if they were to ask a potential buyer if they intend to use it in a criminal manner. o_O

"Similarly, a study by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF) in June 2000 reviewed over 1,500 ATF investigations and concluded that gun shows are a “major trafficking channel,” associated with approximately 26,000 firearms diverted from legal to illegal commerce.7 According to the study, gun shows rank second to corrupt dealers as a source for illegally trafficked firearms.8 Another study explained that, while violent criminals do not buy most of their guns directly from gun shows, gun shows are “the critical moment in the chain of custody for many guns, the point at which they move from the somewhat-regulated legal market to the shadowy, no-questions-asked illegal market.”9

Additionally;
"Gun shows are a popular venue for “private sales” in which unlicensed sellers can sell guns without background checks. A 1999 ATF study found that 25 to 50% of gun show vendors are unlicensed.10 These private sellers frequently rent table space at gun shows and carry or post “Private Sale” signs signalling that purchases require no paperwork, no background check, no waiting period and no record keeping.11"

http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-shows-policy-summary/

Since you want to turn this into something, lets get real and realize that your 4473 point is moot.

So again I say, we all BUT sell them in Gumball machines here!

And again I say I am a gun owner and would not give up my rights as such.

You've got way too much time on your hands

lagrimas85 said:

I may be working on it, but definetly wont be posting the results of my investigation......But I might P.M. you

You have my e-mail.

Do not mean to hijack the thread but....... Word I got last night was that the guy shot 'was doing some bad stuff' independently so should not be the start of something bigger. He was #3 in the PP Plaza. Described as a clean shooting as they did not 'spray' !! Very bad that the wife and daughter were in the vehicle at the time. Other shootings are described as unrelated to this one. Yellow alert back to green :cool::cool:

jerry said:

The suspect, who police sought for nearly four hours, was described as a bald, white male with face and neck tattoos, in his late 30's or early 40s, wearing a black shirt and black shorts.

Since he was white they Tazed him...mexican or black guy would have had 20 bullets in him in that cracker city

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Since the deadly shootings on January 8th one of the things survivors have been pushing for locally and nationally is a requirement that all gun sales include background checks.

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rplarry said:

You've got way too much time on your hands

On spring break at the moment and up late. However it doesn't take much to find the info.
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jerry said:

You ever go to a gun show and buy from a fellow kook.....no fuss no muss

So, to you, a law-abiding citizen is classified as a "kook", just because he buys a gun from another law-abiding citizen? just who is the "kook"?

jerry said:

The suspect, who police sought for nearly four hours, was described as a bald, white male with face and neck tattoos, in his late 30's or early 40s, wearing a black shirt and black shorts.

Since he was white they Tazed him...mexican or black guy would have had 20 bullets in him in that cracker city

OK, Jerry. Substitute the slang term for another ethnic minority group for "cracker", and see if your statement passes the racist test. Slang terms are a no-no for minority groups, but OK to describe white people. Something really wrong with that.

Hillbeartoe said:

I think you are over complicating what my initial point was, which is that getting guns in Arizona is very easy.

Legally purchased in a store , personally bought and sold with legal intent, personal sold with no knowledge of buyers intent or personal with criminal intent is not the point.

You keep mentioning 4473, it ONLY applies to Retail sellers.

"Q: Is it legal to buy or sell a gun if neither party is a federally licensed dealer?
A: Yes, in Arizona, Utah and Nevada providing the seller or the buyer is not a prohibited person under Federal law. California has laws in addition to the Federal law, and all firearms transfers must be processed through a California licensed dealer. No one may bypass any law that applies in their State of residence. In general, you must be a resident of the state where the gun show is being held to purchase any modern firearms at the show. "
http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/faqs.php

How about this stuff;

"On Monday, Gov. Jan Brewer signed two gun laws. One would forbid cities and counties from destroying weapons they obtained through gun-buyback programs. Instead, they must resell them so that guns purchased by police departments to get them off the streets will then be put right back on the streets."

Or,

"Ms. Brewer also signed another law on Monday, which updated an older statute.

Under the original, no government agency in Arizona was allowed to “require or maintain” a record of “the identifying information of a person who owns, possesses purchases, sells or transfers a firearm” — unless he or she bought it from a federally license gun dealer. The new bill strikes that exemption and applies the don’t record rule to every gun sale, everywhere."

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/keeping-guns-in-circulation/?_r=0

You can not say that private sales between law abiding citizens "can't" contribute to crime for the mere fact that a private seller would not get an honest answer if they were to ask a potential buyer if they intend to use it in a criminal manner. o_O

"Similarly, a study by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF) in June 2000 reviewed over 1,500 ATF investigations and concluded that gun shows are a “major trafficking channel,” associated with approximately 26,000 firearms diverted from legal to illegal commerce.7 According to the study, gun shows rank second to corrupt dealers as a source for illegally trafficked firearms.8 Another study explained that, while violent criminals do not buy most of their guns directly from gun shows, gun shows are “the critical moment in the chain of custody for many guns, the point at which they move from the somewhat-regulated legal market to the shadowy, no-questions-asked illegal market.”9

Additionally;
"Gun shows are a popular venue for “private sales” in which unlicensed sellers can sell guns without background checks. A 1999 ATF study found that 25 to 50% of gun show vendors are unlicensed.10 These private sellers frequently rent table space at gun shows and carry or post “Private Sale” signs signalling that purchases require no paperwork, no background check, no waiting period and no record keeping.11"

http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-shows-policy-summary/

Since you want to turn this into something, lets get real and realize that your 4473 point is moot.

So again I say, we all BUT sell them in Gumball machines here!

And again I say I am a gun owner and would not give up my rights as such.

Your point still isn't clear, and you are a teacher??? No wonder our kids come out of school not knowing what end is up!

You sound like Barack Hussein Obama, who recently stated that it is easier to buy a gun than it is to buy vegetables! Just another lie.

I only mentioned ATF Form 4473 ONCE! Yes, It only applies to retail sales, and they are the only sales that count, since NO law can control person-to-person "private" sales. Since no seller can read the mind of the purchaser, ATF form 4473, or not, no seller can know the "intent" of the purchaser. My point is that federal law is more than adequate for the purchase of firearms by law-abiding citizens. There is no need for additional state restrictions. The existing federal controls, regardless of state laws, is nowhere close to buying guns from "bubble gum machines".

I am a strong supporter of former Governor Jan Brewer in regard to protecting the people of Arizona from criminal illegal aliens, and a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. I oppose police firearm buy-back programs, and support the legal transaction of firearms by those who chose to give them up.

I don't buy your nonsense government propaganda in regard to private firearms transactions. Private firearms transactions at gun shows are no different than private transaction in the homes of individuals, or in the Walmart parking lot. What is your point, desire, and/or your objective in this regard?

Under Operation Fast And Furious, Obama delivered thousands of FULLY automatic weapons to members of Mexican Drug Cartels. This was not a "gun show" or "gun shop" operation, where fully automatic weapons cannot be purchased. Just like the low-lifes in the US praise Obama for their "free" obamaphones, Mexican drug cartel members mock the US, and thank Obama for their free "Fast And Furious" weapons.

If "And again I say I am a gun owner and would not give up my rights as such", if this is your position, what are you trying to say or accomplish?

brokenwave said:

When I was down last week a local friend of mine and I were taking some brush and junk to the dump on the east side of Penasco.

We drove past a number of newer housing complexes just west of the dump that were for sale or rent. My friend said they were owned by the Cartel.

As we were heading back to Cholla he said to me a few times, Problemas en Penasco, Sonoyta y Caborca, pero muy Tranquillo en Cholla.
I had to laugh when I saw the bullet riddled car with the tranquillo caption.

So why would you be surprised? A lot of property in Penasco is owned by members of "the Cartel". They scare the tourists away, depress property values, then pick up property at incredible bargains! You don't need a "local friend" to tell you that "great revelation".

What part of "it is easy to get guns in Arizona" are you having trouble understanding?

The lack of or more state restrictions is sort of a double edged sword. Extra regulation or restrictions means your rights may be infringed on. On the other hand no extra or even less mean the only gun control in place is the amount of guns you can legally buy from a shop per month.

Neither of these scenarios will change gun related crimes. And as far as I recall I haven't said anything to the contrary. You just want to argue about one comment/analogy. Bubble Gum.

Fast and Furious..

"Asked for comment, White House Spokesman Eric Schultz said, “The President was referring to the flawed tactic of gun-walking, which despite Republicans efforts to politicize this issue, began under the previous Administration and it was our Attorney General who ended it. In fact, this week’s IG report affirms this and if Republicans still have any legitimate questions about Fast and Furious, the 450-page report answers them. In light of this thorough report and Congress’s 16 month-long investigation, Republicans have no excuse to keep wasting time and taxpayer resources on politically-motivated, election-year attacks.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration/
Read the whole thing. Yes it happened under his term but wasn't by his order... That is your political slant as you would say it is mine.

However, your comment "I am a strong supporter of former Governor Jan Brewer" more or less says everything.

You are just picking to pick. Your and my opinion on gun ownership aren't that different.

If you don't think it is easy to buy guns in Arizona you are deluded. I mean you have to be aware that Arizona is at the top of the list for Gun friendly states with the least amount of restrictions and the most "Liberal" rights for ownership, carry and concealment.

You don't like my Bubble gum machine analogy then that's to bad. I stand by it. Are people buying guns in Bubble Gum Machines? No. But it is almost that easy.

You don't like the fact that someone can be a gun owner yet think it is too easy for anyone to buy guns... Well I don't know what to say about that. I guess it is your own hang up thinking that everything has to be black or white and there is no middle ground.

I am not arguing peoples intent with you and you want to blow this one comment into something else.

Smilin' Jack said:

OK, Jerry. Substitute the slang term for another ethnic minority group for "cracker", and see if your statement passes the racist test. Slang terms are a no-no for minority groups, but OK to describe white people. Something really wrong with that.

Sorry....let's say conservative mormon ruled city

Smilin' Jack said:

So, to you, a law-abiding citizen is classified as a "kook", just because he buys a gun from another law-abiding citizen? just who is the "kook"?

Go to a gun show and look around.....kooks...all kinds of them...the girls from TDs were buying ammunition again for mystery men at the last fair grounds show....the dancing business must be slow

Smilin' Jack said:

So why would you be surprised? A lot of property in Penasco is owned by members of "the Cartel". They scare the tourists away, depress property values, then pick up property at incredible bargains! You don't need a "local friend" to tell you that "great revelation".

Jesus,you could not be more wrong ...cartel money built the biggest projects...they want values to go up as much as the next investor....unfortunately shit happened

Aren't the realtors the one saying that now is the time to buy? Everything is dirt cheap. Buy now buy now don't miss out. Sounds as though they are speculating that property values are going to go up in the not so distant future.
Oh yeah, the cruise ships.... I totally forgot.

2. Value of property should increase once Mexico's first cruise ship home port is in place. March 1, 2014 UPDATE...SALES ARE UP INVENTORY IS DOWN, BUYERS ARE ALREADY LATE FOR THE "GOOD DEALS". We see the MLS daily, it's picking up speed FAST, bank foreclosed condos being purchased, well priced inventory reducing.

http://www.mexicanbeachbum.com/Why_Rocky_Point/page_2575451.html

HURRY!

And Jerry said, "the girls from TDs were buying ammunition again for mystery men at the last fair grounds show....the dancing business must be slow"

Obviously, someone must have told him that because it's hard to believe he would recognize any of those fine ladies through personal experience.

GV Jack said:

And Jerry said, "the girls from TDs were buying ammunition again for mystery men at the last fair grounds show....the dancing business must be slow"

Obviously, someone must have told him that because it's hard to believe he would recognize any of those fine ladies through personal experience.

Gv you know they have a early bird senior special.....all dancers over 40 years old!

Sorry Jerry.

When they get a Super Seniors with those gorgeous 60 year old dancers, I may partake if I can escape the oxygen tent and have plenty of digitalis.

I believe the reporting is much more accurate in the U.S. but a lot of crime happens that goes unreported. I think there is so much crime that only the big crimes or interesting crimes make the news-kind of an information overload situation.
Thank god we have a dedicated police force that earnestly goes after the bad guys. My condolences go out to the Navajo officer shot and killed yesterday.

dirtsurfer said:

I believe the reporting is much more accurate in the U.S. but a lot of crime happens that goes unreported. I think there is so much crime that only the big crimes or interesting crimes make the news-kind of an information overload situation.
Thank god we have a dedicated police force that earnestly goes after the bad guys. My condolences go out to the Navajo officer shot and killed yesterday.

Brian William can vouch for you on accurate reporting, actually programs like primer impacto do much better reporting crime in the usa than national programs from USA.