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Water shortage

Started by Dezracer · Mar 24, 2015 · 53 replies
Dezracer
We're heading down this weekend with a large group, but my property manager said the water has been off city wide for 7 days.

Anyone hear what's going on and when it is going to be back on?
playaperro
Dezracer said:
We're heading down this weekend with a large group, but my property manager said the water has been off city wide for 7 days.

Anyone hear what's going on and when it is going to be back on?

I heard that the water shortage will be for the next coming month, they did turn off the pumps for 12 hours one day at las conchas but are spreading the water around the city so who knows when they will turn the valve off again. Did you get the flyer from Las Conchas stating what is going on with water?
asprinkles
and lets bring the boats in
playaperro
asprinkles said:
and lets bring the boats in

93000 spring breakers and semana santa visitors praying here takes alot of water.
Last edited: Mar 24, 2015 at 5:54 PM
lagrimas85
The guy with oomapas that takes care of city water told me 2 weeks ago that one of the newer wells had collapsed, we only received water at night for about a month, but last week it started flowing during the day... I also read, 60 percent of the water pumped here, is wasted because of leaks and breaks in the supply line..
badfish
So should I not expect running water in Los Conchas this weekend?
Dezracer
My guy didn't sound like I should be expecting water at my house in Las Conchas this weekend
jerry
Wait till the HOMEPORT is finished....no water.....
playaperro said:
93000 spring breakers and semana santa visitors praying here takes alot of water.

Plenty more spring breakers in the past.I wonder what is really going on here.I do know the local mexican community is sick of Sandy Beach getting priority status on water and if the elections turn out differently the unfair system may end.
playaperro
Dezracer said:
My guy didn't sound like I should be expecting water at my house in Las Conchas this weekend

Wow, I guess people must be buying water from the trucks if they have a cistern.
Landshark
Lets hope the well can be repaired and still be of use. The problem could be a result of over-pumping or aquifer problems. If not, it's only a matter of time before it will happen. A desalination facility is badly needed and the clock is ticking.
http://www.rockypointtalk.com/threads/puerto-pe%C3%B1asco-water-desalination-facility.9657/
playaperro
lagrimas85 said:
The guy with oomapas that takes care of city water told me 2 weeks ago that one of the newer wells had collapsed, we only received water at night for about a month, but last week it started flowing during the day... I also read, 60 percent of the water pumped here, is wasted because of leaks and breaks in the supply line..

Is that what happened Tio, I was wondering what was going to take a month to fix, tks for info on the leaks.
brokenwave
The pipeline to Cholla is still getting water flow for the water trucks delivering in Cholla. Information from Wed. @ 11am.
mexicoruss
I have water in town. No problems here. Insert pic of dead guy here

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jerry
mexicoruss said:
I have water in town. No problems here. Insert pic of dead guy here

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https://water.usgs.gov/edu/gwdepletion.html I actually just helped on a ag. well in Cochise county (deep wells are collapsing from over pumping ) and two residential wells in Pima. This problem is real and is a reason to try to slow growth.
Roberto
I have heard of no problems in Unconscious. I washed my vehicle this mornin!
lagrimas85
playaperro said:
Is that what happened Tio, I was wondering what was going to take a month to fix, tks for info on the leaks.

Thats what Daniel the OOMAPAS guy said....
Dezracer
Where's your house Roberto?
JoseAz
mexicoruss said:
I have water in town. No problems here. Insert pic of dead guy here

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Hey Russ, that was really funny! I like it.
Cant wait to get down there this weekend and enjoy all that is RP
Roberto
Dezracer said:
Where's your house Roberto?


I live in Section 5.
Dezracer
Do you have a tank and pump system? We disconnected our pump years ago and now rely on city water pressure
Roberto
Dezracer said:
Do you have a tank and pump system? We disconnected our pump years ago and now rely on city water pressure

The hose bib I used is on city supply, not through the tank.
playaperro
Dezracer said:
Do you have a tank and pump system? We disconnected our pump years ago and now rely on city water pressure

Good info Dez, Gets expensive with the pump turning on and off, what kind of pressure do you have and are you close to the pumps, I hang out in sec 1, Tks in advance.
Dezracer
I'm in section 8. We disconnected the tank and pump. system 4 - 5 years ago since the city supply was pretty reliable, most of the time. We have been getting 30-40 psi.

Also got tried of replacing the pump every couple of years
playaperro
Goona have to give that a try if Roberto thats 3.8 miles away is not using a pump, he's been in training taking a shower in a bucket, Tks again Dez, Sorry about my previous posts with you.
Dezracer
Well were at the house and we only have water at night
Hillbeartoe
Any reports from the Mirador area?
Landshark
Has anyone installed a personal desalination unit? The price of a truckload of water has doubled in recent years and we need to look at our alternatives. A guy in Encanto has one so we need to talk to him but wondering if anybody else has any input.
jerry
http://www.airtowater.com/1osmo.htm. And hope you get the green light at the border....
Landshark
jerry said:
http://www.airtowater.com/1osmo.htm. And hope you get the green light at the border....

150,000 gal/day is a little more than we need! Hey Terry, you could buy this for the whole damn neighborhood! Or better yet RP could buy a couple for town and give the wells a break.
Estero
Landshark said:
Has anyone installed a personal desalination unit? The price of a truckload of water has doubled in recent years and we need to look at our alternatives. A guy in Encanto has one so we need to talk to him but wondering if anybody else has any input.

I had been toying with the idea of a marine water maker, something like this http://www.westmarine.com/buy/katadyn--powersurvivor-80e-watermaker--10676120
Makes about 80 gallons a day.
lagrimas85
Estero said:
I had been toying with the idea of a marine water maker, something like this http://www.westmarine.com/buy/katadyn--powersurvivor-80e-watermaker--10676120
Makes about 80 gallons a day.

I bought one from this company in Oregon in 2006, $2500.00 and it made 500 gallons a day, the water tested at 70 ppm after it was filtered....http://www.uswatermaker.com/ you might still find them on ebay . You can piece your own watermaker together fairly cheap, the biggest expense is a high pressure pump... If I remember to make that kind of volume it took about 700 to 800 psi pump..Also back in the mid 2000's a company by the name of Agua Dulce was installing 12 volt desalinators in Playa Encanto and charging approx 16,000 dollar for the system...without permits...
JimMcG
How would a person access a continuous supply of salt water other than a shallow well on a beach property or running a water line to the sea? Either way, I would think that the Mexican, government officials might have something to say about it if they found out.
Estero
lagrimas85 said:
I bought one from this company in Oregon in 2006, $2500.00 and it made 500 gallons a day, the water tested at 70 ppm after it was filtered....http://www.uswatermaker.com/ you might still find them on ebay . You can piece your own watermaker together fairly cheap, the biggest expense is a high pressure pump... If I remember to make that kind of volume it took about 700 to 800 psi pump..Also back in the mid 2000's a company by the name of Agua Dulce was installing 12 volt desalinators in Playa Encanto and charging approx 16,000 dollar for the system...without permits...

Very cool! Are you still using it? $2,500 is a hell of a deal.
lagrimas85
Estero said:
Very cool! Are you still using it? $2,500 is a hell of a deal.

We put it on a boat, the boat is now in San Carlos, but I'm sure its still being used...Call the guy...He may or may not remember me, we put it then on a boat that was in San Diego...it was easy to install
lagrimas85
Here is one similar to what, U.S. Watermaker sold before http://www.qwwinc.com/id6.html $3800.00 for about 500 gallons a day, there is another that makes 40 gallons an hour, for a little more money....Youŕe not going to get the filters, pump and motor in a fancy box, but they work the same for a lot less money.......
lagrimas85
JimMcG said:
How would a person access a continuous supply of salt water other than a shallow well on a beach property or running a water line to the sea? Either way, I would think that the Mexican, government officials might have something to say about it if they found out.

Thats why I mentioned without permits in the other post, on the hiway to El Golfo, there were 2 projects, Playa Mia and Sunset Village both were fined for illegal desalinator's... with a desal unit you have to pump 1500 gallons to get 500 purified. or 3 t0 1, the other 2 gallons now heavy with salts needs to go back to the sea....in Encanto Agua Dulce drilled 2 holes 1 to feed the pump and the other for the bypass to return to the sea...
lagrimas85
http://www.rockypointreview.com/utilities.html Agua Dulce, may still be in business, for desal units they are listed near the bottom of the page....Permits are almost impossible to get for beach properties (I tried 10 years ago) but if you are a little way off the beach, it could possibly be done...
Last edited: Mar 29, 2015 at 3:36 PM
ron
Check these people out.
http://www.reopure.com/awsw.html
I was thinking of this type of system.
Dezracer
So after a few days we discovered that at Las Conchas... We get water regularly from 8pm to 3pm.

But the mosquitos are out of control at night... We're getting eaten alive
JimMcG
Even with city water, I would consider leaving the onsite water tank in the water supply circuit in order to ensure a back up supply when the city water is shut down. The pump would only have to be turned on when the city water is not working, but the reserve water would still have to be used and replenished to keep it fresh and usable when needed.
mexicoruss
We have city water and city water pressure, we also have 2 500 gallon reserves that can be pumped when needed, we never have a water problem.
brokenwave
JimMcG said:
Even with city water, I would consider leaving the onsite water tank in the water supply circuit in order to ensure a back up supply when the city water is shut down. The pump would only have to be turned on when the city water is not working, but the reserve water would still have to be used and replenished to keep it fresh and usable when needed.

+1 on doing that, whenever water finally comes to the area in Cholla where I am.
Most of my local friends have 1-2, 1200L tanks filled with water at their houses for use when the city water supply is off.
Roberto
I would be concerned about anunused pump seizing up with the corrosive water we have. Would proly want to run it a bit periodically.
brokenwave
Thx good advice.
I used to use the 1.5hp pumps with a 20 gallon tank and they did seize up after 2 to 3 years. Now I'm using a flojet 110volt 3.5gpm pump with a tank , it will run dry for days if you let it and still be fine.
dirtsurfer
There is a solar powered de-salination set up on my beach that feeds two houses. This de-sal project is small but keeps a large tank full that adequately supplies the houses. It turns on when the float drops to a certain level.
I am not sure what they do with the discharge. Most de-sal plants pump the discharge back into the ocean which seems like a terrible thing to do.

Politically, fresh water resources are becoming huge and war worthy issues in many places.
JimMcG
I would be interested in a link which would convince me that any currently available home desalination systems are feasible on a cost effective basis, after considering acquisition, install, maintenance, operational and repair costs.
This is not to say that I don't see a bright future for such systems when costs come down.
Landshark
dirtsurfer said:
Most de-sal plants pump the discharge back into the ocean which seems like a terrible thing to do.

At first my reaction to this was to agree completely. In general terms dumping anything into the sea is a bad thing. Then after thinking about it I'm not so sure in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong but here's the way I see the desal process working. You pump say 200 gallons of sea water from the supply well, and after being filtered by the desal 100 gallons goes to your storage tank and the other 100 gallons with double salinity goes into the return well and back to the sea. Now you use the water in your storage tank for showers, toilets, etc. and the waste water goes into the septic tank that is in your yard about 100 feet from the high tide line. The septic tank overflows waste water into the leach lines and the water drains down through the sand and back into the sea. At the end of the day I don't see how anything changes in the sea's salinity level. The real culprit seems to be the septic tank but that's a completely separate issue.
jerry
Wreck you septic tank would be a worry...kill plants too....
playaperro

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Last edited: Mar 31, 2015 at 2:51 PM
Roberto
I wonder if there is a permit in place for that desal ??
lagrimas85
jerry said:
Wreck you septic tank would be a worry...kill plants too....

Jerry, this is what we are installing on any beach properties,
up north of Penasco, because we are in a reserve.. You can water you plants and trees with the water out of the septic and the lodo as they call it, gets cleaned out once a year..They are sold in RP, but I saw the smaller one at Home Depot in Mexicali for under 6000 pesos....What is returned to the sea from a small desal unit, isnt much of a problem, but a bigger unit, especially where we are is a problem, we dont get the waves or big movement of water in Lopez or Lagrimas, so when you filter water its 3 to 1 usually and the water that returns to the sea, is heavy with salt, the government says it sinks before it mixes back and if there is enough volume it starts killing everything it touches...
lagrimas85
Roberto said:
I wonder if there is a permit in place for that desal ??

Roberto, it sounds like what Agua Dulce was doing, they never pulled permits.. That I know of...
jerry
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playaperro said:


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    OCEAN FRONT

    Playa Encanto, East Beach - Beautiful Beachfront home in Playa Encanto. Perfect for entertaining, enjoy and relax. This 4 Bedrooms and 4 bathrooms, comes fully furnished complete turnkey ready for your use. Amazing sunrise and sunset views over the sea of Cortez. Enjoy the fire place on a cooler night, have your favorite drink on your Margarita deck. This beatiful custom decorated home provides you the perfect environment to enjoy and share wonderful moments with your family and friends.

    Special features:

    50Kw Stand By Generator / Auto Transfer
    90 Gal Per Hour Fresh water/ Desalination Plant
    1 Ton Mini Split A/C in the Great Room
    ¾ Ton Mini Split A/C in all other Bedrooms
    Guest Bedroom ¾ Ton Mini Slit Heat Pump
    4 Ton A/C Condenser Ground Mount / with roof Evaporator – Great Room and
    one guest Bedroom.
    3 Ton A/C Condenser Ground Mount / with roof Evaporator – 3 remaining
    bedrooms.
    40k Btu Furnace – Great Room and one guest Bedroom /w Thermostat.
    40k Btu Furnace – Remaining 3 Bedrooms /w Thermostat.
    Whole House U/V Domestic water purification.
    Florescent Lighting Garage.
    Electric Back up – Outback 8k Peak Watt Solar (2 4200 Watt Peak) Inverters.
    16 Solar Panels
    Two way electric metering / with Sell back capability to CFE Grid.
    36 Deep Cell, Glass Mat, No Maintenance 6v Storage Batteries.
    Electric controlled irrigation System.

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