Caborca is the wild west right now.Police force numbers are way down.The funny thing is I never get any of those bullshit speeding tickets there.
I've always thought of Mexico as the wild west like here 100 years ago. It's one of the reasons I like it so much. Not the shootouts but the back to earth old school way of life. It's like getting out of the rat race and going home...
In the comments section after the video was interesting chatter.
AnonymousApril 21, 2015 at 5:01 AM
Blo would be a bit more scared after what cjng did to them in Guerrero. CJNG ain't deep enough to mess with the families that control sonora and that's a fact boy! They're not gonna fuck up puerto penasco for us Phoenix people.
Count me as one of your tasseled-loafer types who still loves Caborca, your South Beaches, the archaeology of Sonora, and the sustainability of the estuaries. Thanks for culling our herd on the Forum to a manageable count.
Tasseled loafer types??????I guess it takes all types to participate in a healthy forum........I thought the dispense of bad news and the scare tactics was the way to go but I guess I was wrong........So if we post bad news from places then we are the agents of freedom and enlightenment for would be travelers? So I guess I will include this piece about a guy who was shot in the Walmart parking lot in Cottonwood AZ and killed by police, should that send up a red flag? Oh in the case of Cottonwood and in Caborca no innocents were killed, only "almost got it or something like that"bs
Crap happens everywhere, you can't plan for it, it doesn't care what your plans are, but when it happens you can't use it to bolster your skewed vision of the world.......sorry.........stay thirsty and stay aware my friends.
Tasseled loafer types??????I guess it takes all types to participate in a healthy forum........I thought the dispense of bad news and the scare tactics was the way to go but I guess I was wrong........So if we post bad news from places then we are the agents of freedom and enlightenment for would be travelers? So I guess I will include this piece about a guy who was shot in the Walmart parking lot in Cottonwood AZ and killed by police, should that send up a red flag? Oh in the case of Cottonwood and in Caborca no innocents were killed, only "almost got it or something like that"bs
Crap happens everywhere, you can't plan for it, it doesn't care what your plans are, but when it happens you can't use it to bolster your skewed vision of the world.......sorry.........stay thirsty and stay aware my friends.
...I picture you and your van full of blue hairs stuck in the middle of the next machine gun battle on your way to some other place that should be avoided for now thinking to yourself..."man if I die Jerry is going to have a field day with this on the forum"
Count me as one of your tasseled-loafer types who still loves Caborca, your South Beaches, the archaeology of Sonora, and the sustainability of the estuaries. Thanks for culling our herd on the Forum to a manageable count.
You are welcome...I did send the real estate shysters to the curb....
Tasseled loafer types??????I guess it takes all types to participate in a healthy forum........I thought the dispense of bad news and the scare tactics was the way to go but I guess I was wrong........So if we post bad news from places then we are the agents of freedom and enlightenment for would be travelers? So I guess I will include this piece about a guy who was shot in the Walmart parking lot in Cottonwood AZ and killed by police, should that send up a red flag? Oh in the case of Cottonwood and in Caborca no innocents were killed, only "almost got it or something like that"bs
Crap happens everywhere, you can't plan for it, it doesn't care what your plans are, but when it happens you can't use it to bolster your skewed vision of the world.......sorry.........stay thirsty and stay aware my friends.
However... This is a MEXICO forum and Caborca is once again relevant information. It's not like Jerry is reporting news from Tamulipas or Nuevo Leon... Russ, just one time would I like to hear a somewhat rational response from you
If I was on a Phoenix, AZ forum I would certainly think that an altercation in Cottonwood would be relevant information considering it is only one hour North of Phoenix...
...I picture you and your van full of blue hairs stuck in the middle of the next machine gun battle on your way to some other place that should be avoided for now thinking to yourself..."man if I die Jerry is going to have a field day with this on the forum"
Me and the Blue Hairs.....will be out again Saturday night all over town, should we check to see if it is safe? I guess i will have to put Jerry and MexicoJoe on speed dial for the latest......"super silly" They can confer and tell me later what "really happened".
Like people going to Phoenix or San Diego look up crime stats before they visit (doesn't happen) .......oh by the way they are way worse than here.
Keep on though you lonesome, angry old men, mighty folks behind the keyboard! Get out and do something!
If I followed your advice (and awesome knowledge....throwup) I would be at home 24 x 7 just protecting myself......but instead we are out living and enjoying life, you should be too!
To summarize: I report a machine gun battle 5 blocks from the Mission a n d right in front of Caborca's biggest store witnessed by friend who was nearly killed. Somehow this irritated Russ. This is sort of like Groundhog Day....
Me and the Blue Hairs.....will be out again Saturday night all over town, should we check to see if it is safe?
Keep on though you lonesome, angry old men, mighty folks behind the keyboard! Get out and do something!
If I followed your advice (and awesome knowledge....throwup) I would be at home 24 x 7 just protecting myself......but instead we are out living and enjoying life, you should be too!
AJUA, life is great, be it!
This is absolutely hilarious! LMFAO Russ you crack me up man...
To summarize: I report a machine gun battle 5 blocks from the Mission a n d right in front of Caborca's biggest store witnessed by friend who was nearly killed. Somehow this irritated Russ. This is sort of like Groundhog Day....
OK now you've done it. Dragging innocent groundhogs into the discussion.:mad::mad::mad:
Jerry, I dye my hair, but is it safe to go to Lobos, or are we going to be: "..in a van full of blue hairs stuck in the middle of the next machine gun battle on your way to some other place that should be avoided for now thinking to yourself..."man if I die Jerry is going to have a field day with this on the forum"?
Jerry, I dye my hair, but is it safe to go to Lobos, or are we going to be: "..in a van full of blue hairs stuck in the middle of the next machine gun battle on your way to some other place that should be avoided for now thinking to yourself..."man if I die Jerry is going to have a field day with this on the forum"?
Nothing better than Lobos on a flat day ...kayak at sunrise...cerveza and oysters.....snorkeling by the lighthouse all fun regardless of lack of hair or hair color but something is up and the numbers of cops that passed the new guidelines is way down. The special state police squad that took the Coastal group down is pretty mysterious.Who were they working for? This was a shock to the people of Caborca and an attempt to get a central command for San Luis, RP and Caborca is in the works....sort of martial law
Jerry, I dye my hair, but is it safe to go to Lobos, or are we going to be: "..in a van full of blue hairs stuck in the middle of the next machine gun battle on your way to some other place that should be avoided for now thinking to yourself..."man if I die Jerry is going to have a field day with this on the forum"?
Regardless if this is a joke or not I will provide some perspective. I'm a "get around pretty well paraplegic". Last year in February I drove down to Santo Tomas alone. I wanted to go to Lobos to fish so the first day Jerry came with me and we drove down to Lobos. Next day I wanted to go back but this time I went SOLO. Furthermore, to complicate the situation I needed to get gas. Closest gas to Santo Tomas is Y GRIEGA. Now, for anyone that has been on this forum for a while or in the regional "know/news" knows about Y GRIEGA police station getting shot to shit. Well, that and they almost arrested Kenny after a slight fender bender.... Back to the story. A couple years ago Kenny took me to Y GRIEGA and for whatever reason I felt really really out of place. Like, I'm a Mexico expert and I felt really out of place... not sure what it was. Knowing the police station thing that happened or what but I felt UNEASY to say the least. So anyways, this time around I wanted to go back down to LOBOS for day 2 but needed gas and I couldnt convince Jerry to go with me so I went SOLO 30 miles inland to Y GRIEGA. Got gas, continued on to LOBOS to have another beautiful adventure on the SOC. Drove back shortly after sunset in the dark (which pry wasnt the greatest idea but whatever) and got back to Jerry's place un-harmed. Not that this story means jack sh!t but just a little tid bit of perspective... I'm looking to make this trip again very soon! Tight Lines and keep the news coming, good or bad. Thanks Jerry!
Day time travel,not to much exploring on back roads and a working cell would be good until things get re-sorted out...again...some on the tension in Y Griega is from the lack of enough cops to deal with the cartel guys so they end up working for one or the other.The other thing is all the Mexicans kicked out of the USA that are stuck their working or looking for work on the Campos...some desperate people but not kill you desperate more steal stuff when possible desperate/
I think Lobos is way safer as Mexican Sportsmen of all kinds call it home away from home and do not take kindly to trouble from anyone
Day time travel,not to much exploring on back roads and a working cell would be good until things get re-sorted out...again...some on the tension in Y Griega is from the lack of enough cops to deal with the cartel guys so they end up working for one or the other.The other thing is all the Mexicans kicked out of the USA that are stuck their working or looking for work on the Campos...some desperate people but not kill you desperate more steal stuff when possible desperate/
I think Lobos is way safer as Mexican Sportsmen of all kinds call it home away from home and do not take kindly to trouble from anyone
I really like Lobos, you just have to stay on the good side and out of the way of the local Cartel there.
Y Griega is now and always has been a nest of criminals.
Not too long ago I pulled into the Y Greiga Pemex station to top off the half full tank on my Rubicon. There was no one at the pumps or in the shack so I filler up myself. By then a twelve year old looking girl appears at the shack so I ask her how much? She says some outrageous amount and I ask "quantos litros?" According to her los litros that I put in coverted into gallons equates to 40 gallons!! The Jeep fuel tank only holds 19 gallons and it was about half full!! So I walk back to the Jeep, hop in and take off to Desemboque. Within a few minutes I see a rat trap pick-up on my tail with a light flashing and no sireeen a blaring. I just pull of into the desert and head north and eventually make it back to the highway and haul ass back to RP.
Nowdays I carry two full jerry cans with me any time I'm in the outback of Mexico.
Y Griega is now and always has been a nest of criminals.
Not too long ago I pulled into the Y Greiga Pemex station to top off the half full tank on my Rubicon. There was no one at the pumps or in the shack so I filler up myself. By then a twelve year old looking girl appears at the shack so I ask her how much? She says some outrageous amount and I ask "quantos litros?" According to her los litros that I put in coverted into gallons equates to 40 gallons!! The Jeep fuel tank only holds 19 gallons and it was about half full!! So I walk back to the Jeep, hop in and take off to Desemboque. Within a few minutes I see a rat trap pick-up on my tail with a light flashing and no sireeen a blaring. I just pull of into the desert and head north and eventually make it back to the highway and haul ass back to RP.
Nowdays I carry two full jerry cans with me any time I'm in the outback of Mexico.
JJ
Humm, what about the pump? Must of had how many litros you pumped and cost.
Regardless of circumstances surrounding the amount due, leaving a Mexican gas station without paying anything, with the police in pursuit could have been a death wish.
The Pemex boys in RP do it all of the time but on a smaller scale.
Their favorite trick is to not clear the meter on the pump after the last sale. They rush over and pull the nozzle off before you can get out of your vehicle and see what's on the meter. No matter what they have started to do I make em put the nozzle back on the pump and show me a clear meter.
A clown at the Pemex across from Reggie's tried that on me last Saturday morning while filling two jerry cans for my Santo Thomas beach run.
Back in the day on route to San Carlos, at about 2am, as I pulled into what used to be the first Pemex by the roundabout in Hermosillo, two guys eagerly directed me over to a particular pump. Being tired, it was a bit rough doing the Dollar/Peso/liter/gallon formula in my head and so I paid them what they claimed. After decompressing on the beach for a while and doing the math, I was convinced that my newly rebuilt '65 mustang gas tank couldn't possibly have taken that much gas, and so a few weeks later despite my wife's fearful pleading, I stopped into that same gas station on the way back.
I was expecting a real head to head confrontation with the manager when I made by case for being overcharged, but all he asked was which pump I had used and without any more ado he handed me the amount that I had claimed, without contest. Hmmm!
Yeah, maybe you guys think the same, enlighten me. I know about the Y, not a very nice place to skip on gas.
Wasn't commenting on the skipping the bill as much as the fact he was going to be robbed. I am sure that the 12 year old running the station wasn't the one actually in control.....
And on further contemplation I wonder what most people would have done if:
1. You were about to be robbed?
2. Disputing such a charge could result in a one sided armed conflict?
3. Not stopping for a possibly corrupt and unfriendly self proclaimed law enforcement agent?
Me, I probably would have payed, and left the country never to return.
Wasn't commenting on the skipping the bill as much as the fact he was going to be robbed. I am sure that the 12 year old running the station wasn't the one actually in control.....
And on further contemplation I wonder what most people would have done if:
1. You were about to be robbed?
2. Disputing such a charge could result in a one sided armed conflict?
3. Not stopping for a possibly corrupt and unfriendly self proclaimed law enforcement agent?
Me, I probably would have payed, and left the country never to return.
If he would of let the guy relieving himself come out he would not be having that guilty syndrome he now suffers.
Y Griega is now and always has been a nest of criminals.
Not too long ago I pulled into the Y Greiga Pemex station to top off the half full tank on my Rubicon. There was no one at the pumps or in the shack so I filler up myself. By then a twelve year old looking girl appears at the shack so I ask her how much? She says some outrageous amount and I ask "quantos litros?" According to her los litros that I put in coverted into gallons equates to 40 gallons!! The Jeep fuel tank only holds 19 gallons and it was about half full!! So I walk back to the Jeep, hop in and take off to Desemboque. Within a few minutes I see a rat trap pick-up on my tail with a light flashing and no sireeen a blaring. I just pull of into the desert and head north and eventually make it back to the highway and haul ass back to RP.
Nowdays I carry two full jerry cans with me any time I'm in the outback of Mexico.
JJ
That Pemex is sketch!!!!!! Then leaving there and driving south on that highway that connects back with the coastal highway was SKETTTTTTCHHHH!!! Just ejido after ejido... almost something out of a movie. It was pretty surreal to be driving alone down a desolate Mexican highway in the middle of the desert with ejido land and haciendas on both sides of the roadway SOLO!!!! Or... maybe it was the weed that had me paranoid... dont think so. That place is f#cking SKETCH dude... What does Russ have to say about Y-GRIEGA????? I'm sure nothing but pleasant things I would imagine....
That Pemex is sketch!!!!!! Then leaving there and driving south on that highway that connects back with the coastal highway was SKETTTTTTCHHHH!!! Just ejido after ejido... almost something out of a movie. It was pretty surreal to be driving alone down a desolate Mexican highway in the middle of the desert with ejido land and haciendas on both sides of the roadway SOLO!!!! Or... maybe it was the weed that had me paranoid... dont think so. That place is f#cking SKETCH dude... What does Russ have to say about Y-GRIEGA????? I'm sure nothing but pleasant things I would imagine....
Those ejidos are holding and we're not talking produce...
I don't think Russ is planning a trip to Y-Griega, but I hope some day to go on one of his trips to Baja to see the whales, Copper Canyon or Alamos. Hopefully I won't have blue hair by then.
Well now that you ask.....I have been visiting Mexico for 32 years +-. I have lived here as a full time resident for 9+ years. I have never felt threaten ever except in Y griega. Several years ago, while filling up at the gas station going to Desemboque I was confronted by a recent deportee who was slurring insults at Americans, he was at best, sketch, after he told me he hated Sheriff Joe for what he called injustice he sort of threatened me and my Bro inlaw. Of course because I have bad judgement I didn't back down. I told him I was a resident of Mexico and happy to be so. He didn't care. He was yelling and screaming at me and all Americans. We took it for what it was, pent up frustration about the world that we live in. He walked away with his friends pulling him out of the situation. I wasn't worried but I don't intimidate easy ( bad judgement).
I tell my guest as we flow through that area that it is (Y griega) a drug lord stronghold, that there is basically no police and that daytime travel is fine....you wouldn't want to break down there at night. I am a realist and know the limits but I don't think I am afforded credit in that area of my expertise. 20,000 miles a year driving the roads in Mexico, no problems, zero problems. Something must be right!
I do not like Y Griega though. I do go through there a few times a month and have no worries.
Well now that you ask.....I have been visiting Mexico for 32 years +-. I have lived here as a full time resident for 9+ years. I have never felt threaten ever except in Y griega. Several years ago, while filling up at the gas station going to Desemboque I was confronted by a recent deportee who was slurring insults at Americans, he was at best, sketch, after he told me he hated Sheriff Joe for what he called injustice he sort of threatened me and my Bro inlaw. Of course because I have bad judgement I didn't back down. I told him I was a resident of Mexico and happy to be so. He didn't care. He was yelling and screaming at me and all Americans. We took it for what it was, pent up frustration about the world that we live in. He walked away with his friends pulling him out of the situation. I wasn't worried but I don't intimidate easy ( bad judgement).
I tell my guest as we flow through that area that it is (Y griega) a drug lord stronghold, that there is basically no police and that daytime travel is fine....you wouldn't want to break down there at night. I am a realist and know the limits but I don't think I am afforded credit in that area of my expertise. 20,000 miles a year driving the roads in Mexico, no problems, zero problems. Something must be right!
I do not like Y Griega though. I do go through there a few times a month and have no worries.
First rule of Lobos...find and do something nice for this guy!