Poor Hubby got stung over Memorial Weekend on Sandy Beach. :( They were out in force.. The Medics just waited at the wall for the next person to bite the dust.. He had to soak it in HOT water for about 2 hours to take the pain away. They were giving Novocain shots to most..
Sting Ray Bites
Started by flicks · May 27, 2015 · 88 replies
flicks said:Poor Hubby got stung over Memorial Weekend on Sandy Beach. :( They were out in force.. The Medics just waited at the wall for the next person to bite the dust.. He had to soak it in HOT water for about 2 hours to take the pain away. They were giving Novocain shots to most..
There were several stings at Encanto as well.
I heard of over 50 sting ray hits on Sandy Beach over the weekend, they are out in force and we need to do the sting ray shuffle when in the shallows
flicks said:Poor Hubby got stung over Memorial Weekend on Sandy Beach. :( They were out in force.. The Medics just waited at the wall for the next person to bite the dust.. He had to soak it in HOT water for about 2 hours to take the pain away. They were giving Novocain shots to most..
Sorry to hear. We have successfully treated victims over the years with the hot water soak and a tall shot of tequila. :cool:
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Southbeacher said:Sorry to hear. We have successfully treated victims over the years with the hot water soak and a tall shot of tequila. :cool:
Yes, There was a lot of help from Don Julio:p
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Here is our instruction manual for such mishaps:
The Hot Water Soak:
An alternative treatment, for larger wounds, according to our neighbor who was a victim:
Finally:
Reinitiate water activities, using the sting-ray shuffle, this time… You can also look for six to ten inch circles in the sand, which usually indicate the outline of where a stingray has buried itself – it’s eyes are still above the sand
The Hot Water Soak:
- Bring a quantity of water to a near boil
- Place the victim’s foot in a pan/bucket.
- Introduce enough cold-warm water to cover the foot
- Allow the victim to pour hot water into the pan/bucket containing the affected foot, bringing the pan water to as hot as they can stand
(the effectiveness of this technique is that the heat breaks down / destroys proteins in the toxin, thus neutralizing the pain – the hotter, the better)
- Repeat, repeat, repeat - pouring hot water to keep the water as hot as tolerable to the victim
- Administer shots of tequila to the victim to relieve body stress, to be taken by mouth, as needed
- Continue until the pain subsides to a tolerable or negligible level (usually 1-2 hours) -- Victim will usually be walking with little to no foot pain within three (3) to four (4) hours.
- Issue aspirin as required, to relieve tequila effects :)
An alternative treatment, for larger wounds, according to our neighbor who was a victim:
- Drive to Red Cross
- Point to foot (they will know what that means)
- Red Cross will give a shot of Novocain (or substitute), which will relieve the pain until the toxin wears itself out and is no longer effective
- Reach into your wallet and give them all the money you have – because by that time, the pain relief is well worth it to you.
Finally:
Reinitiate water activities, using the sting-ray shuffle, this time… You can also look for six to ten inch circles in the sand, which usually indicate the outline of where a stingray has buried itself – it’s eyes are still above the sand
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What goes wrong is the just below boiling part....a bad burn is real possibility
jerry said:What goes wrong is the just below boiling part....a bad burn is real possibility
That is why you begin with the cold water and pour in the hot to the tolerance level.
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I think we discover an alternate food source for the hungry.
Somebody shoulda told all of this to Steevo!
Many moons ago I had one get me in the palm of my hand whilst unhooking it. The stinger broke off in my hand and I couldn't get it out due to the serrations on the barb. Had to get at doctor to cut it out.
I must say that was a truly stimulating experience! The mucus coating on the barb retards healing and I had a drippy hole in my hand for months.
And by the way, those round stingrays are delicious, especially breaded and deep fried.
You can always find them with the fish mongers on the Malecon. Just look for the stuff labeled "Scallop" or "Escalopa". They get a primo price for them as well!!
They punch out plugs of that tasty boneless white meat with a shotgun shell or cookie cutter, trim off the skin then "skin" the Gringos Estupidos.
JJ
Many moons ago I had one get me in the palm of my hand whilst unhooking it. The stinger broke off in my hand and I couldn't get it out due to the serrations on the barb. Had to get at doctor to cut it out.
I must say that was a truly stimulating experience! The mucus coating on the barb retards healing and I had a drippy hole in my hand for months.
And by the way, those round stingrays are delicious, especially breaded and deep fried.
You can always find them with the fish mongers on the Malecon. Just look for the stuff labeled "Scallop" or "Escalopa". They get a primo price for them as well!!
They punch out plugs of that tasty boneless white meat with a shotgun shell or cookie cutter, trim off the skin then "skin" the Gringos Estupidos.
JJ
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Same time of year (two years ago) One of our crew was trying to do a little shore fishing and got hit right in the ankle.
Took him to the resort lobby, they had the red cross there in 5 min. Gave him a shot directly into the sting with Lidocaine.
Good as new next day.
Took him to the resort lobby, they had the red cross there in 5 min. Gave him a shot directly into the sting with Lidocaine.
Good as new next day.
I've always stomped my feet as well but in the same location that I brought them up from of course. In other words, I do both! I'd much rather scare them off with a big vibration than spook them off by just shuffling my feet or contact. Nope, never been hit.
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We take the kayak out to look for them when it's about the right time in the late spring for them to do their reproductive thing. Sometimes they are everywhere and we just stay out of the water until things get back to normal. It's just not worth it...
My wife got stung last year. It was horribly painful. I definitely recommend an immediate trip to the clinic. We were doing the hot water thing, which is way better than nothing but she was still in intense pain. We finally convinced her to go to the Red Cross and they fixed her right up. They gave a shot to numb and she had immediate relief.
My understanding is you should also rinse with an antibiotic rinse of some kind. There are lots of reports on the interwebz of nasty infections from stingray stings.
My understanding is you should also rinse with an antibiotic rinse of some kind. There are lots of reports on the interwebz of nasty infections from stingray stings.
OK old local cure take a raw onion cut in half put on grill sear and while hot put on sting ray bite they say it works
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The burn from the onion hurts more than the stingray bite? JK
I keep this at the house just in case http://www.amazon.com/Extractor-Sting-Suction-Insects-Snakes/dp/B004AQFCMQ
My husband got stung the weekend before Memorial Day. They seem to have a preference for males for some reason. [emoji39]
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Surprised nobody has recommended going to any one of one hundred FARMACIAS and getting some of the good stuff... Sure, you'll pay $10 or 15 but after 3 or 4 Vicoten/Percs you'll be as good as new....
Is this a seasonal thing or they are sticking around for the summer?
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HILL BOY said:OK old local cure take a raw onion cut in half put on grill sear and while hot put on sting ray bite they say it works
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Their most always around to some degree but they come into the flat sandy area's (like the north end of La Pinta) in droves to spawn in the spring.
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Year round but especially when the water is warm. So yes all summer.
Found this surfing the web.
"High voltage, low amperage cure
Brought this subject up around the dinner table today and was told that snake bites and sting ray action can be counter acted by holding a spark plug to the area and jolting yourself repeatedly. For the conversation I suggested that if the spark plug worked than a Tazer would be even more effective.
Something about the shock affecting the inter-muscular reaction of the venom.
Anybody else heard of this? Very curious since my last encounter was dealt with thorough very hot water and dark rum."
"High voltage, low amperage cure
Brought this subject up around the dinner table today and was told that snake bites and sting ray action can be counter acted by holding a spark plug to the area and jolting yourself repeatedly. For the conversation I suggested that if the spark plug worked than a Tazer would be even more effective.
Something about the shock affecting the inter-muscular reaction of the venom.
Anybody else heard of this? Very curious since my last encounter was dealt with thorough very hot water and dark rum."
Kenny said:Found this surfing the web.
"High voltage, low amperage cure
Brought this subject up around the dinner table today and was told that snake bites and sting ray action can be counter acted by holding a spark plug to the area and jolting yourself repeatedly. For the conversation I suggested that if the spark plug worked than a Tazer would be even more effective.
Something about the shock affecting the inter-muscular reaction of the venom.
Anybody else heard of this? Very curious since my last encounter was dealt with thorough very hot water and dark rum."
never been hit by a ray in the 10 years I have been coming down. But the I like the dark rum idea :-)
Havi g gotten a few jolts in Turkey in 76 I can tell you electricity does improve your memory
Kenny said:Found this surfing the web.
"High voltage, low amperage cure
Brought this subject up around the dinner table today and was told that snake bites and sting ray action can be counter acted by holding a spark plug to the area and jolting yourself repeatedly. For the conversation I suggested that if the spark plug worked than a Tazer would be even more effective.
Something about the shock affecting the inter-muscular reaction of the venom.
Anybody else heard of this? Very curious since my last encounter was dealt with thorough very hot water and dark rum."
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Kenny said:Found this surfing the web.
"High voltage, low amperage cure
Brought this subject up around the dinner table today and was told that snake bites and sting ray action can be counter acted by holding a spark plug to the area and jolting yourself repeatedly. For the conversation I suggested that if the spark plug worked than a Tazer would be even more effective.
Something about the shock affecting the inter-muscular reaction of the venom.
Anybody else heard of this? Very curious since my last encounter was dealt with thorough very hot water and dark rum."
Kenny, haven't heard of this treatment & not saying it wouldn't work but got a great visual of some poor SOB with his foot in a bucket of scalding water moaning from the pain. "Hey, pull your foot out for a minute." He does and you taser the hell out of it and ask him, "How do you feel now?"
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Landshark said:Kenny, haven't heard of this treatment & not saying it wouldn't work but got a great visual of some poor SOB with his foot in a bucket of scalding water moaning from the pain. "Hey, pull your foot out for a minute." He does and you taser the hell out of it and ask him, "How do you feel now?"
Ha, I didn't recommend it, I just found it out on the net and thought it might get a laugh or two and maybe a quip or three.
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We stay at PDO and were there from 5/21 - 6/1. We did not see a single ray, nor anyone getting hit by one, and never have in the 17 years we've been coming down. Could this have something to do with the fact that the Mirador beach is "rocky"?? Just to be on the safe side, I usually do the sting ray shuffle anyway!
beachgirl said:We stay at PDO and were there from 5/21 - 6/1. We did not see a single ray, nor anyone getting hit by one, and never have in the 17 years we've been coming down. Could this have something to do with the fact that the Mirador beach is "rocky"?? Just to be on the safe side, I usually do the sting ray shuffle anyway!
Beachgirl, the sting rays and jellies have been crazy here in Encanto the past 2 weeks. We have had several people stung and having to go to the Red Cross clinic for treatment this week.
beachgirl said:We stay at PDO and were there from 5/21 - 6/1. We did not see a single ray, nor anyone getting hit by one, and never have in the 17 years we've been coming down. Could this have something to do with the fact that the Mirador beach is "rocky"?? Just to be on the safe side, I usually do the sting ray shuffle anyway!
Yes, the reason you probably haven't encountered a ray in the Mirador is that has so much rock and reef. Stingrays like a sandy bottom where they can flip sand over themselves and camouflage themselves for hunting.
Stepped on one in Las Conchas about 20 years ago. Had no idea how to treat it. A family staying at one of the houses next to ours came running down with a bag of ice. I kept ice on it for about 20 minutes until the pain was so excruciating that I had to go to the Red Cross. Those people, I found out, gave me the worst treatment I could have gotten for that wound. I needed the hottest water I could stand, and they gave me ice!
Most people will tell you, even those who have had terrible injuries in their life, that a stingray sting is one of the most painful experiences they have ever been through. I, from experience, completely agree.
Shuffle, shuffle, and then shuffle some more.
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I was talking to a older dive buddy about the sting's that are going on. He told me to put meat tenderizer on the sting.
AZRob said:I was talking to a older dive buddy about the sting's that are going on. He told me to put meat tenderizer on the sting.
I remember that was an old school method suggested for treating jellyfish stings along with peeing on the sting. Recent studys suggest both methods actually make matters worse. Stingray stings are treated with hot water, Benadryl, Tylenol, and usually a stiff drink.
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Here's a good site on ray and jelly stings: http://www.bajainsider.com/baja-life/health/stingraysjellyfish.htm. They say that peeing on ray stings will not help. They suggest using a product by Bayer called Domeboro to add to the pain killing while doing the hot soak. Amazon has it. We've never been stung. I'm going to get some just in case.
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apricot said:Here's a good site on ray and jelly stings: http://www.bajainsider.com/baja-life/health/stingraysjellyfish.htm. They say that peeing on ray stings will not help. They suggest using a product by Bayer called Domeboro to add to the pain killing while doing the hot soak. Amazon has it. We've never been stung. I'm going to get some just in case.
You can get Domeboro at CVS or Walgreens
That's good to know, thanks. I went to Target today and they did not have it. Maybe I'll check Walgreens next time I'm there.
Recent studies have proved that my drunk friends who pissed on my foot suffered far greater wounds than what the sting ray inflicted.....
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rplarry said:Yes, the reason you probably haven't encountered a ray in the Mirador is that has so much rock and reef. Stingrays like a sandy bottom where they can flip sand over themselves and camouflage themselves for hunting.
Stepped on one in Las Conchas about 20 years ago. Had no idea how to treat it. A family staying at one of the houses next to ours came running down with a bag of ice. I kept ice on it for about 20 minutes until the pain was so excruciating that I had to go to the Red Cross. Those people, I found out, gave me the worst treatment I could have gotten for that wound. I needed the hottest water I could stand, and they gave me ice!
Most people will tell you, even those who have had terrible injuries in their life, that a stingray sting is one of the most painful experiences they have ever been through. I, from experience, completely agree.
Shuffle, shuffle, and then shuffle some more.
Same here amigo, about 20 years ago too, ended up at red cross, no charge but always donate to them at stops. don't drink spirits makes the pain X 2.
dirtsurfer said:Recent studies have proved that my drunk friends who pissed on my foot suffered far greater wounds than what the sting ray inflicted.....
....deservedly so for applying salt to the wounds.
About fifteen or so years ago, I was hit by something on my foot and whatever it was seemed to be chasing me as I retreated. I never actually saw it, but assumed it to be a sting ray. There was no one else around and the pain travelled all the way up to my hip for about an hour or more. I guessed that it would be better to keep as active as I could and the excruciating pain finally went away. Recommend the shuffle at all times ever since.
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JimMcG said:....deservedly so for applying salt to the wounds.
About fifteen or so years ago, I was hit by something on my foot and whatever it was seemed to be chasing me as I retreated. I never actually saw it, but assumed it to be a sting ray. There was no one else around and the pain travelled all the way up to my hip for about an hour or more. I guessed that it would be better to keep as active as I could and the excruciating pain finally went away. Recommend the shuffle at all times ever since.
Got stung a month ago near Myan Palace , bleed a lot witch is good and the only thing that took the pain away was hot water and strong language . And yes it was extremely painful witch lasted about 6 hours , went back fishing the next day .
Again, wouldn't 3 or 4 Vicodin work?!
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http://faoj.org/2008/06/01/stingray-envenomation-of-the-foot-a-case-report/
The comments/ stories are scary...bottom line treatment can be tricky and most doctors are not up on treatment....
The comments/ stories are scary...bottom line treatment can be tricky and most doctors are not up on treatment....
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Jerry, good article. It can be scary if not treated right away, but this is the main thing I got out of it:
It is important to treat these injuries promptly. If the injury is not life-threatening, it is important to quickly cleanse the wound and submerge the foot in hot water to deactivate the tissue enzymes that cause pain and tissue necrosis.
It is important to treat these injuries promptly. If the injury is not life-threatening, it is important to quickly cleanse the wound and submerge the foot in hot water to deactivate the tissue enzymes that cause pain and tissue necrosis.
Mexico Joe said:Again, wouldn't 3 or 4 Vicodin work?!
Joe, that remedy would work, like Propofol worked for Michael Jackson. Definitely would temporarily kill the pain or problem, but is not the solution to the potential health issues.
When I was stung, part of the stinger's cartilage broke off in my foot. Luckily I had an experienced Red Cross worker who gave me a shot of Novocaine and then had to cut with scissors into my foot, and remove the broken off stinger . The Novocaine worked beautifully as my pain was completely gone. But when it wore off, the pain was 10 times worse than prior. I'm guessing because the venom was still there as I did not soak it in hot water, and then also the cutting of my foot. After about 3-4 hours of the worst pain in my life, it went away in an instant. Really weird. One minute wanted to put a .45 to my head, and the next, it was over.
Please everyone , just shuffle during this time of year. And, not a bad idea all year.
Interesting in that when I got back to to the States, started hearing crazy stories of others who had been stung by stingrays in RP. One buddy got stung, went to the Red Cross and they stitched up his wound with stitches. About a week later, he almost lost his leg from Gangrene. They stitched up not only the venom, but the same cartilage and stinger that they removed from my foot. He was incredibly lucky.
Seriously, you do not want to mess with these rays. We are in their territory, and we need to use caution while in their territory.
When I got stung, we were down for a quick 2 day fishing trip. Needless to say , we did not end up going fishing.
And, to Playperro comment on not drinking, we had just purchased a case of beer and it was so cold and tempting, but the doctor told us that the antibiotics I was taking for the sting would be compromised by any alcohol. He said basically, achohol cancels out the effects of the bacteria fighting of the antibiotics. Have heard that as well since then in the states
So, the story of that trip was... no fish, no beer, no fun, a lot of pain, and hopefully some new found wisdom.
Most importantly was the wisdom.
Shuffle, shuffle, and shuffle some more. Lots of hot water immediately.
And, do not let anyone stitch up your wound.
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It would be good to have a thermometer to measure the hot water temperature. Supposed to be no hotter that 113 degrees. Every time I have treated a sting it gets crazy real fast and the one thing I'm never sure of is if I have the water too hot. They are going to be screaming when the foot goes in saying it's too hot even if it isn't. It would be good to be able to reassure them the temp is okay and will not scald them thus calming everyone down. Also good for maintaining the water temp as it cools by adding more hot water. The correct temp of hot water ASAP makes all the difference.
apricot said:Jerry, good article. It can be scary if not treated right away, but this is the main thing I got out of it:
It is important to treat these injuries promptly. If the injury is not life-threatening, it is important to quickly cleanse the wound and submerge the foot in hot water to deactivate the tissue enzymes that cause pain and tissue necrosis.
Agree. From what I've heard and read, ray stings are pretty common and usually no big threat. If it is just an "owie" with a puncture, the cleansing-and-hot-water treatment is likely all that is required. Bigger rays, however, I've heard can leave more of a "hole" than a puncture. Those are the trip-to-doctor category (as would be a wound site in the chest). As far as infections, those less-common results can occur with all sorts of stinging/biting critters . . . such as the possibility of contracting the dreaded Mersa injected by an otherwise-innocuous spider bite. So initial cleansing is important . . . then monitor. The pain / symptoms should dissipate over a few hours rather than intensify.
rplarry said:Joe, that remedy would work, like Propofol worked for Michael Jackson. Definitely would temporarily kill the pain or problem, but is not the solution to the potential health issues.
When I was stung, part of the stinger's cartilage broke off in my foot. Luckily I had an experienced Red Cross worker who gave me a shot of Novocaine and then had to cut with scissors into my foot, and remove the broken off stinger . The Novocaine worked beautifully as my pain was completely gone. But when it wore off, the pain was 10 times worse than prior. I'm guessing because the venom was still there as I did not soak it in hot water, and then also the cutting of my foot. After about 3-4 hours of the worst pain in my life, it went away in an instant. Really weird. One minute wanted to put a .45 to my head, and the next, it was over.
Please everyone , just shuffle during this time of year. And, not a bad idea all year.
Interesting in that when I got back to to the States, started hearing crazy stories of others who had been stung by stingrays in RP. One buddy got stung, went to the Red Cross and they stitched up his wound with stitches. About a week later, he almost lost his leg from Gangrene. They stitched up not only the venom, but the same cartilage and stinger that they removed from my foot. He was incredibly lucky.
Seriously, you do not want to mess with these rays. We are in their territory, and we need to use caution while in their territory.
When I got stung, we were down for a quick 2 day fishing trip. Needless to say , we did not end up going fishing.
And, to Playperro comment on not drinking, we had just purchased a case of beer and it was so cold and tempting, but the doctor told us that the antibiotics I was taking for the sting would be compromised by any alcohol. He said basically, achohol cancels out the effects of the bacteria fighting of the antibiotics. Have heard that as well since then in the states
So, the story of that trip was... no fish, no beer, no fun, a lot of pain, and hopefully some new found wisdom.
Most importantly was the wisdom.
Shuffle, shuffle, and shuffle some more. Lots of hot water immediately.
And, do not let anyone stitch up your wound.
What is commonly left in the wound is not part of the "spear" that's broken off, but the protective sheath of the spear that comes off when the spear is pulled out. I've heard of it being compared to the sheath on a knife or spear and yes, it needs to be removed.
Lidocane on site would be cool..wonder if can get it at a vet supply place down there?
hopefully mine came out. Its purple but pretty much healed up. mine was on Saturday. hurt like hell. 2 hrs. hot water vicodan and tequila and was fine, except for a little sore next day.Leigh
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Mexico Joe said:Surprised nobody has recommended going to any one of one hundred FARMACIAS and getting some of the good stuff... Sure, you'll pay $10 or 15 but after 3 or 4 Vicoten/Percs you'll be as good as new....
Not every one can do that if you are subject to random drug testing from your employer MJ. Hydrocodone and Oxycodone turning up in your sample will surely guarantee you walking papers.
I just left my Doctors office, and while we were shooting the sh*t I asked him about stingray stings. I asked him about meat tenderizer and he explained to me that the tenderizer will neutralize the poison from the stinger but only on skin surface also on surface of wound. The hot water will help to do the same thing and will go in deeper of the wound to flush it. But the sting from a ray is like the sting from a scorpion, there is no anti venom. Each person's body acts different to the venom, its up to your body to neutralize what got into your blood and surrounding tissues. The time frame of the pain will vary from each individual.
He also told me that some people have died from a small scorpion sting, your kidneys and liver fail. He also added don't get to close to get stung in the chest or by major arteries, the venom will travel at a fast rate and affect the organs more rapidly and you have a good chance of dieing from it. Like Steve Irwin.
He also told me that some people have died from a small scorpion sting, your kidneys and liver fail. He also added don't get to close to get stung in the chest or by major arteries, the venom will travel at a fast rate and affect the organs more rapidly and you have a good chance of dieing from it. Like Steve Irwin.
Kenny said:What is commonly left in the wound is not part of the "spear" that's broken off, but the protective sheath of the spear that comes off when the spear is pulled out. I've heard of it being compared to the sheath on a knife or spear and yes, it needs to be removed.
Did not know that. Makes sense though.
Whatever it is, from what I have heard, if it stays in the wound it can cause big problems.
AZRob said:I just left my Doctors office, and while we were shooting the sh*t I asked him about stingray stings. I asked him about meat tenderizer and he explained to me that the tenderizer will neutralize the poison from the stinger but only on skin surface also on surface of wound. The hot water will help to do the same thing and will go in deeper of the wound to flush it. But the sting from a ray is like the sting from a scorpion, there is no anti venom. Each person's body acts different to the venom, its up to your body to neutralize what got into your blood and surrounding tissues. The time frame of the pain will vary from each individual.
He also told me that some people have died from a small scorpion sting, your kidneys and liver fail. He also added don't get to close to get stung in the chest or by major arteries, the venom will travel at a fast rate and affect the organs more rapidly and you have a good chance of dieing from it. Like Steve Irwin.
Good to know how the reaction can be different from person to person. All I know is that for me, it was a living hell.
I wonder if people allergic to bees, or react worse than most people do to mosquitoes, spiders, etc would react worse to a stingray or scorpion?
Might not be a bad idea that if so, that person has an epipen ready and available.
The only humans at risk from a Scorpion sting are the very old or very young and it's from the neurotoxins that are in the venom that effect the nervous system. We're talking about paralysis, severe convulsions, cardiac irregularities, breathing difficulties, death. Symptoms to look for are difficulty breathing, uncontrolled jerking, drooling and wild eye movements.... There is a anti-venom.
I've been stung several times myself throughout the years and have researched Scorpion stings in AZ and Mexico numerous times.... Bottom line is I don't think your doctor knows what the hell he is talking about when he attributes kidney and liver failure to a Scorpion sting.
"Neurological manifestations- Centruroides Exilicada the
bark scorpion, seen in Arizona, new Mexico, western Texas,
southeast California and Nevada, venom is highly neurotoxin.
Mesobuthus Tamulus may cause focal neurological presentation
include hemi paresis, hemorrhagic or thrombotic stroke. DIC
is main contributory factors for neurological manifestations.56
Bahloul M et al from Tunisia reported 78% cases had neurological
complications due to Androctonus Australus envenomation.
Patient presented with coma, convulsions, hyperthermia, miosis
and mydriasis, brain edema had poor outcome. Majority of
victims neurological complications are secondary due to brain
anoxia caused by pulmonary edema and cardiovascular failure."
I've been stung several times myself throughout the years and have researched Scorpion stings in AZ and Mexico numerous times.... Bottom line is I don't think your doctor knows what the hell he is talking about when he attributes kidney and liver failure to a Scorpion sting.
"Neurological manifestations- Centruroides Exilicada the
bark scorpion, seen in Arizona, new Mexico, western Texas,
southeast California and Nevada, venom is highly neurotoxin.
Mesobuthus Tamulus may cause focal neurological presentation
include hemi paresis, hemorrhagic or thrombotic stroke. DIC
is main contributory factors for neurological manifestations.56
Bahloul M et al from Tunisia reported 78% cases had neurological
complications due to Androctonus Australus envenomation.
Patient presented with coma, convulsions, hyperthermia, miosis
and mydriasis, brain edema had poor outcome. Majority of
victims neurological complications are secondary due to brain
anoxia caused by pulmonary edema and cardiovascular failure."
Had one in the casita about a week ago. It was a small one. I grabbed an empty can that was handy and dropped it open ended over the critter. After about an hour I lifted the can and the thing looked flattened out and shriveled up. I thought it was dead. It quickly came alive and scurried across the floor sending the GF and sister screaming. Thumped it with a broom handle, glad it did not bite one of two 18 month old boys watching the action. Gotta seal the entry door better.
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Kenny said:The only humans at risk from a Scorpion sting are the very old or very young and it's from the neurotoxins that are in the venom that effect the nervous system. We're talking about paralysis, severe convulsions, cardiac irregularities, breathing difficulties, death. Symptoms to look for are difficulty breathing, uncontrolled jerking, drooling and wild eye movements.... There is a anti-venom.
I've been stung several times myself throughout the years and have researched Scorpion stings in AZ and Mexico numerous times.... Bottom line is I don't think your doctor knows what the hell he is talking about when he attributes kidney and liver failure to a Scorpion sting.
You wrote.
"The only humans at risk from a Scorpion sting are the very old or very young and it's from the neurotoxins that are in the venom that effect the nervous system. We're talking about paralysis, severe convulsions, cardiac irregularities, breathing difficulties, death."
What about middle age people with conditions? As I wrote earlier, everyone's body handles it differently.
Paralysis is the loss of muscle function in part of your body. It happens when something goes wrong with the way messages pass between your brain and muscles. Paralysis can be complete or partial. It can occur on one or both sides of your body. It can also occur in just one area, or it can be widespread. Paralysis of the lower half of your body, including both legs, is called paraplegia. Paralysis of the arms and legs is quadriplegia.
From the kidneys, urine travels down two thin tubes called ureters to the bladder. The ureters are about 8 to 10 inches long. Muscles in the ureter walls constantly tighten and relax to force urine downward away from the kidneys. If urine is allowed to stand still, or back up, a kidney infection can develop. Small amounts of urine are emptied into the bladder from the ureters about every 10 to 15 seconds.
I only wasted time looking up the Kidney, if the muscles in the ureter stop working guess what happens. Hey Im just another guy on the beach that's just sharing info from a real Doctor.
Doctor Kenny, He does have the education, the certificate and hands on knowledge. Also he looks about the same age as yourself, so he's been around the block a few times. But everyone is welcome to their own opinion and belief.
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Roberto said:Had one in the casita about a week ago. It was a small one. I grabbed an empty can that was handy and dropped it open ended over the critter. After about an hour I lifted the can and the thing looked flattened out and shriveled up. I thought it was dead. It quickly came alive and scurried across the floor sending the GF and sister screaming. Thumped it with a broom handle, glad it did not bite one of two 18 month old boys watching the action. Gotta seal the entry door better.
Even though we lived in Phoenix at the time, it was at Natcho's huts in Cholla Bay back in the 50's that I learned to shake my shoe's out every morning.
WARNING!!... Do not, I repeat, DO NOT take a black light outside to look around your casita at night in PP or the surrounding areas.
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Kenny said:Even though we lived in Phoenix at the time, it was at Natcho's huts in Cholla Bay back in the 50's that I learned to shake my shoe's out every morning.
You got any pics you were down in Penasco in the 50's or 60's, if not don't take credit for something your making up!
playaperro said:You got any pics you were down in Penasco in the 50's or 60's, if not don't take credit for something your making up!
And you're a girl, that's why you have never posted a picture of yourself.
Did they make cameras in the 50's? :D;)
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Terry C said:Did they make cameras in the 50's? :D;)
Yes I've posted pics before from the 50"s.
Kenny said:Even though we lived in Phoenix at the time, it was at Natcho's huts in Cholla Bay back in the 50's that I learned to shake my shoe's out every morning.
I do the shoe shake in Mesa too. And I wouldn't go outside with a black light there either. ;)
Stingray bites has been beaten to death..............
How about some Loonie Times??
Saw this guy at Jerry's beach a few months ago.
<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/133165066@N02/18629421576" title="100_1050 by j davis, on Flickr"><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/501/18629421576_301a8511ef_k.jpg" width="2048" height="1536" alt="100_1050"></a>
How about some Loonie Times??
Saw this guy at Jerry's beach a few months ago.
<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/133165066@N02/18629421576" title="100_1050 by j davis, on Flickr"><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/501/18629421576_301a8511ef_k.jpg" width="2048" height="1536" alt="100_1050"></a>
Sorry for the use of the above link, trying to teach myself how to post an image in anticipation of this summers first big fish kill next weekend.
The little guy in the link is a Common Loon on his last legs probably just due to old age. Better to die on a beautiful beach on the Sea of Cortez than hit by a wind generator blade doing 100 mph plus up north. The entire western USA and Canadian population of this bird winters along the Sonora and Baja coasts. They are powerful divers that can out swim most small fish which make up their preferred diet. I've seen them thirty or forty feet down while scuba diving at Isla San Jorge.
BTW I find it hard to believe anyone has ever been bitten by a stingray, stick your finger in that clam crushers mouth and I'll guaran-dam-tee you'll never do that again.
Anyone going out next 19, 20, 21 and 22 June? I just scored "The Great Happy's" deep diving lure collection and can't wait to reintroduce them to Senior Garopa waiting on those offshore rock piles.
JJ
The little guy in the link is a Common Loon on his last legs probably just due to old age. Better to die on a beautiful beach on the Sea of Cortez than hit by a wind generator blade doing 100 mph plus up north. The entire western USA and Canadian population of this bird winters along the Sonora and Baja coasts. They are powerful divers that can out swim most small fish which make up their preferred diet. I've seen them thirty or forty feet down while scuba diving at Isla San Jorge.
BTW I find it hard to believe anyone has ever been bitten by a stingray, stick your finger in that clam crushers mouth and I'll guaran-dam-tee you'll never do that again.
Anyone going out next 19, 20, 21 and 22 June? I just scored "The Great Happy's" deep diving lure collection and can't wait to reintroduce them to Senior Garopa waiting on those offshore rock piles.
JJ
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Kenny said:WARNING!!... Do not, I repeat, DO NOT take a black light outside to look around your casita at night in PP or the surrounding areas.
Why not Kenny?
Hey JJ I am heading down 6/13-20. I am hoping to knock the dust off the boat and do some inshore and off shore fishing with it . I am going to give the shore fishing scene hell as well. I actually bought some wading boots to give me a little more protection from the little barbed demons. I have fished so much from shore I am afraid my time is due to get nailed. I have been successful with the shuffle but sometimes I am forced to wave hop during my casts.
Landshark, my guess is that you will see so many scorpions that one may freak.
Landshark, my guess is that you will see so many scorpions that one may freak.
I had a little wave hop and landed on one last Friday. 30 years and 1st time. don't want to repeat for another 30 years.Leigh
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Landshark said:Why not Kenny?
Your yard will never look the same.... Scorpions glow under a black light and you will see them on your wall's, the fence, places you sit, all over the dog gone place...West Phoenix is as bad; they love to eat Cockroaches.
Very true! After the first time I hunted them I had trouble getting to sleep. Damn things were everywhere. Got like 60 of them and we have a monthly bug guy. Next night 30, then 20, then only a few. Should have kept it up but didn't.
Kind of reminds me of the time we took the kayak out hunting for stingrays. Calm day and you could clearly see the bittom. They were everywhere we looked. Walking on the bottom would have been a BIG mistake. Changed the way I felt about wading in the surf. They say ignorance is bliss. I say ignorance is painful.
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Jungle Jim said:
Anyone going out next 19, 20, 21 and 22 June? I just scored "The Great Happy's" deep diving lure collection and can't wait to reintroduce them to Senior Garopa waiting on those offshore rock piles.
JJ
We are hoping to be down there. Will know by the end of this week.
"The very old and the very young are most likely to die of untreated venomous scorpion bites. The cause is usually heart or respiratory failure occurring some hours after the sting. Very few deaths from scorpion stings have been reported in the United States. No scorpion sting-related death has been reported in Arizona for more than 40 years."
We built a house for a guy in the weirdly named Rancho Sin Vacas in the 80s in Tucson.Nightmare client who's 90 year old father visiting from Long Island died on the toilet after being stung by a scorpion. First week in the house and they never moved back in...
jerry said:We built a house for a guy in the weirdly named Rancho Sin Vacas in the 80s in Tucson.Nightmare client who's 90 year old father visiting from Long Island died on the toilet after being stung by a scorpion. First week in the house and they never moved back in...
You just opened a can of worms.
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Damn died on the toilet !
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I dont know about you but cashing out on the toilet at 92 sounds pretty good to me....it did turn out bad on Game of Thrones but this seemed pretty painless
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oh brings back bad memories
This is me about two weeks ago in 20' of water. I was a little intimidated by this guy.👍 1
The small, 12" round stingrays of several species around PP live like this............
They congregate in certain mostly sandy spots in the spring for their ritual mating thing.
They warm up with the sunshine in the shallow water which gives them a boost for the frolic.
If you think the ones that you actually see mean anything, just put on a wetsuit and snorkle and go off the beach a bit. Sometime there are literally thousands of them.
They swim in short bursts and do a quick flutter when they stop and touch the bottom, that covers them with a thin veil of sand. They can easily be spotted if you look for their two froggy eyes protruding above the sand.
Go to Cholla Bay at low tide and you can see their hunting methods, actually trapping methods would be the correct term. There are thousands of 12" roundish holes in the mud where they construct and regularly return to with the incoming tide to hunt for crustaceans that took refuge during the previous receding tide. Typical food items are Ghost Crabs, Pistol Shrimp and Fiddler Crabs.
When in the water and not being harassed they are very friendly and actually seem to want to play, something kinda like hid and seek. When they know you see them they take a ten or twelve foot run and bury themselves again. They seem to never tire of this but when they do they take off like a rocket and are gone for good.
Their only enemies other than humans are sharks. Locally, the Scalloped Hammerhead is numero uno. On the East coast Bull Sharks target them which is why humans get hit in shallow water by them. In Miami, I've seen big bulls caught from shore with dozens of stingray stingers on their snouts.
Their meat is actually quite tasty, more often than not being passed off in the Malecon as "Escalopa". The Mexicans eat almost every species of ray and the meat is sold as "Manta Raya". The salted and dried carne seca de manta is quite tasty and can be keep for a long time without refrigeration. All it takes is a soak in little hot water and you have the fixins for some good tacos or burritos.
If you have an incredibly painful sting in your foot you can easily cure it by sticking a knife in your other foot and twist it around a bit.
JJ
They congregate in certain mostly sandy spots in the spring for their ritual mating thing.
They warm up with the sunshine in the shallow water which gives them a boost for the frolic.
If you think the ones that you actually see mean anything, just put on a wetsuit and snorkle and go off the beach a bit. Sometime there are literally thousands of them.
They swim in short bursts and do a quick flutter when they stop and touch the bottom, that covers them with a thin veil of sand. They can easily be spotted if you look for their two froggy eyes protruding above the sand.
Go to Cholla Bay at low tide and you can see their hunting methods, actually trapping methods would be the correct term. There are thousands of 12" roundish holes in the mud where they construct and regularly return to with the incoming tide to hunt for crustaceans that took refuge during the previous receding tide. Typical food items are Ghost Crabs, Pistol Shrimp and Fiddler Crabs.
When in the water and not being harassed they are very friendly and actually seem to want to play, something kinda like hid and seek. When they know you see them they take a ten or twelve foot run and bury themselves again. They seem to never tire of this but when they do they take off like a rocket and are gone for good.
Their only enemies other than humans are sharks. Locally, the Scalloped Hammerhead is numero uno. On the East coast Bull Sharks target them which is why humans get hit in shallow water by them. In Miami, I've seen big bulls caught from shore with dozens of stingray stingers on their snouts.
Their meat is actually quite tasty, more often than not being passed off in the Malecon as "Escalopa". The Mexicans eat almost every species of ray and the meat is sold as "Manta Raya". The salted and dried carne seca de manta is quite tasty and can be keep for a long time without refrigeration. All it takes is a soak in little hot water and you have the fixins for some good tacos or burritos.
If you have an incredibly painful sting in your foot you can easily cure it by sticking a knife in your other foot and twist it around a bit.
JJ
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If you have an incredibly painful sting in your foot you can easily cure it by sticking a knife in your other foot and twist it around a bit.
well I find Lidocaine injected at the spot of the wound and chasing the dragon with fine mexican black tar heroin for a few days and.... bobs your uncle...pain free
note...last time I did this my cure caused me to borrow the bowie Fire Departments new truck fund and spent a few years away from the sea of cortez
well I find Lidocaine injected at the spot of the wound and chasing the dragon with fine mexican black tar heroin for a few days and.... bobs your uncle...pain free
note...last time I did this my cure caused me to borrow the bowie Fire Departments new truck fund and spent a few years away from the sea of cortez
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My personal favorite.............
Jungle Jim's Ju Ju Juice, guaranteed painless is less than ten minutes.
One 1 liter bottle of Herradura Blanco. Pour out half and set aside for later.
Grind up ten or fifteen 325 mg oxycodone tablets in a metate.
Dump em in.
Add the jugo of two fresh pink grapefruit.
Slosh it around a bit and top off with the set aside Herradura.
Find a SAFE place to sit down and eventually be prone and PASS OUT.
Start slammin the stuff until your partner can see your eyeballs starting to bulge.
Stop for a few seconds and try to locate any pain. More than likely not!
Last time I tried it, I backed into the Sonoyta Cruz Rojo ambulance and had twenty cops chase me all the way to San Luis Sonora.
Good luck!
JJ
Jungle Jim's Ju Ju Juice, guaranteed painless is less than ten minutes.
One 1 liter bottle of Herradura Blanco. Pour out half and set aside for later.
Grind up ten or fifteen 325 mg oxycodone tablets in a metate.
Dump em in.
Add the jugo of two fresh pink grapefruit.
Slosh it around a bit and top off with the set aside Herradura.
Find a SAFE place to sit down and eventually be prone and PASS OUT.
Start slammin the stuff until your partner can see your eyeballs starting to bulge.
Stop for a few seconds and try to locate any pain. More than likely not!
Last time I tried it, I backed into the Sonoyta Cruz Rojo ambulance and had twenty cops chase me all the way to San Luis Sonora.
Good luck!
JJ
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You guys are scaring me!
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Don't let it intimidate you -- if there are no fresh grapefruits on hand, you can just substitute with water
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Everyone should have this in the old beach house first aid kit...you know the kit you update every year! and a thermometer to keep the water temp in the 115 degree range
Everyone should have this in the old beach house first aid kit...you know the kit you update every year! and a thermometer to keep the water temp in the 115 degree range
i'd say it's that time of year again! i got one yesterday at las conchas. would have been fine if I would have remembered that I WANTED to wear my water shoes!
Kenny said:Even though we lived in Phoenix at the time, it was at Natcho's huts in Cholla Bay back in the 50's that I learned to shake my shoe's out every morning.
K: If you stayed in Nacho's huts do you remember Spotts Wills or the Boar's Nest?
dirtsurfer said:K: If you stayed in Nacho's huts do you remember Spotts Wills or the Boar's Nest?
I was 10, 1958, my first trip down and buying firecrackers at the store and spearing fish and fishing was all I was interested in the next 4 years that we went down from Phoenix. I remember the big Shark jaw bones, top and bottom out front of someplace close by, but I can't remember names of most anything from that time. Story's though, I've got great stories. They still had that group of nudist that camped at Sandy beach back then and :)