Got the Secondary Inspection Yesterday

mis2810

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Just wanted to report back. We came through the border yesterday afternoon at 4:30 - we were the only car crossing. Our SUV was loaded with stuff because we had been down there for a week. The extremely unfriendly Mexican border guy - yes, he was a Mexican with a heavy accent who has obviously become a very persnickety US Citizen, gave us the big stink eye when he decided that my Mexican husband (who is a legal permanent resident) looked a little too Mexican for his taste. He asked me 3 times if I knew the "man" sitting next to me. HUH??? Yeah, like I'm stupid enough to pick up a strange Mexican man from the side of the road and try to cross him. He called over the lady border agent with the dog and they got out the mirror. The lady was knocking all over the sides of the SUV while the dog sniffed to see if we had drugs inside the panels of the SUV, I'm sure.

During this time, the Mexican guy asked me 3 times where I worked, what I do for a living, does my husband have any other ID with a photo (his Mexican passport and DL!), where were we, what did we do, while down there and did I bring back any fruits or vegetables. Never asked about alcohol.

So the lady agent comes back around and gives the Mexican agent the "look". He says to her, "I think we need to check this one out reeeaaaaallll gooood, what do you think?" She says, "Definitely". At this point I want to piss my pants and scream at the same time. We had 3 cases of beer in the back under the suitcases!!!! LOL OK, so what's the worst thing that could happen, we dump the beer or pay a fine? I've crossed tons of beer in the past, but never had to go to secondary.

So we pull over to Lane 1 of the secondary inspection area. We're told to leave our cell phones and the car keys on the dashboard - I can take my purse with me - and then we're escorted inside. We wait - and wait - and wait - 30 minutes later, a new guy (white guy) comes in and says do you have any alcohol to declare? I said (in my best dummy voice), "Well, no, not alcohol, just beer." He says, "Beer is alcohol and you can only cross with 1 liter per person." I said that I thought that rule only applied to hard alcohol like tequila. He said, no, beer included. So I just sit there like a dummy and he says, "Well, if you won't tell, I won't tell, and you can cross with the beer." I proceed to tell him twice, "No, I don't want to do anything wrong." He tells me not to worry about it, it's okay.

He then tells us that they've unpacked the entire car, and if we want them too, they will repack it, or we can do it like we want to. He actually offered to repack the car?!?!???? I was stunned.

We repacked ourselves and headed out and that was it! First time since 1997 I've ever been pulled over for secondary! Those 3 cases of Corona are gonna taste even better now!
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
glug-glug.... ahhhhh. Yeah, it's really weird on the alcohol thing. None of the ports of entry in AZ are authorized to collect duty. So, they have two options. Confiscate, or let you go. Most cases, they just let you go if you're a bottle or so over the limit. The wife and I came back from a three-weeker with several bottles of booze one trip and played "dumb gringo" with the same result. We even declared it, saying we had a few bottles of booze, so no shock when the agent found it during secondary.
 

mis2810

Guest
So what happens next time if I do the same thing. Do they put it in the computer that you tried to pass the alcohol once, told you rule and then you do again they get tough? Because, I really love my Mexican Corona and want to bring it home with me!
 
I'm convinced SUV + brownish skin == secondary inspection.
Our friends get pulled over every time - although never for the complete disassembly. They have an older Chevy suburban. They have some asian or mexican genes and he has long hair. It doesn't seem to matter that they have their young kids with them!
We're white and in a mini-van and never get pulled over.
 

mis2810

Guest
jmcdtucson - You're probably right, but this is the first time we've ever been pulled over. I've crossed with my husband close to 10 times. I'm of Italian descent so when I get tan I get pretty dark - most people think I'm Mexican anyway. I think the only think missing from your equation is:

"Hispanic Agent + SUV + brownish skin == secondary inspection".
 

Ladyjeeper

Sonoran Goddess
Staff member
I figured I would get hassled over my new boyfriend as he is equal parts Mexican, Blackfoot and white and has brown eyes, olive skin and long (almost to his waist) dark brown hair, moustache and beard. So far, so good, 3 trips. I guess being old has it's benefits. LOL! We are 54......
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
They don't put "dumb gringo" in the computer (or alcohol warnings, that I'm aware of!!)
 

moore_rb

Stay Thirsty My Friends
Secondary inspection is not fun. They pull me in whenever I have my boat hooked up.


But I'll still take secondary and a little inconvenience over being walked into the detention cell wearing handcuffs (3 times so far).... :)
 

mis2810

Guest
Secondary inspection is not fun. They pull me in whenever I have my boat hooked up.


But I'll still take secondary and a little inconvenience over being walked into the detention cell wearing handcuffs (3 times so far).... :)
That would really suck. I saw the cuffs hanging off the railing inside. The cameras were kind of freaking me out too. I'm sure there was someone watching our body language while we waited. Even if you have nothing to hide (except a shitload of beer!) it's still nerve wracking.
 
That same guys has done the smae thing to me, I cross 1 or twicw a week, all the other agents joke with me but not that guy, I got so pissed at him and called him J Edgar Hoover, and he asked whos that, God love America, not tht it has any bering but after 2 tours in Nam I think I am just as American than most
 

mis2810

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That same guys has done the smae thing to me, I cross 1 or twicw a week, all the other agents joke with me but not that guy, I got so pissed at him and called him J Edgar Hoover, and he asked whos that, God love America, not tht it has any bering but after 2 tours in Nam I think I am just as American than most
Apparently J. Edgar Hoover wasn't one of the questions on the exam to become a US Citizen. The agent's name was Gonzalez. I just don't understand why they treat "their own" so poorly. Why does he have any special right to become a US citizen and my Mexican national husband doesn't? I'm told by other Mexican friends that the Mexican consulate workers in Phoenix treat the "darker" Mexicans like dirt. This is one of the reason why I like animals better than people most of the time. Just sayin'.
 

Roberto

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MIS Sez: "I'm told by other Mexican friends that the Mexican consulate workers in Phoenix treat the "darker" Mexicans like dirt"

This is true all over the world, but reverses in a country with a majority of dark skinned folk.
 

mis2810

Guest
MIS Sez: "I'm told by other Mexican friends that the Mexican consulate workers in Phoenix treat the "darker" Mexicans like dirt"

This is true all over the world, but reverses in a country with a majority of dark skinned folk.
I just don't get that mentality. Why would you treat "your own" like dirt? I know it happens, I just can't comprehend. Just to make themselves feel better? So stupid.
 

moore_rb

Stay Thirsty My Friends
I just don't get that mentality. Why would you treat "your own" like dirt? I know it happens, I just can't comprehend. Just to make themselves feel better? So stupid.
"Your own"....?

What, you mean like "other human beings", right?

:)
 

mis2810

Guest
There is more of a chance "their own" are members of a cartel & smuggling.
So the average Mexican person that goes into the Mexican consulate in Phoenix to register their child's birth deserved to be treated like dirt because that person has a better chance of being a cartel member or a smuggler?

If there is more of a chance that Mexicans are members of a cartel and smugglers as you're suggesting then why wouldn't the white agents be just as suspicious?

Your logic makes no sense.
 
I'm unclear why a register of birth at the consulate is relevant to crossing the border - are you describing the process for registering an achor baby? Nobody deserves to be treated like dirt, but statistically speaking, yes - A Mexican national crossing the border is going to fit the drug smuggling/cartel profile more closely than say a caucasion who is also a US citizen.

The US border agents (regardless of color) are not allowed to racial profile, but I'm sure the Mexican agents abide by a different set of rules.
 

Mexico Joe

Cholla Bay 4 Life
I just don't get that mentality. Why would you treat "your own" like dirt? I know it happens, I just can't comprehend. Just to make themselves feel better? So stupid.
Shortly after the conquest of Mexico by the Spaniards, a social class structure developed. Inter race racism has been apart of Mexico since this early time. " Spanish colonial authorities defined socioeconomic class rankings simply, ... color-class...". Race and place of birth determined social status. At the top were the Gachupines. Gachupines were Spanish born Spaniards and held the highest social status. Below them were the Criollos. Criollos were domestic born Spaniards, some of whom had mixed blood lines. The Criollos werent allowed to hold Church or State offices and they resented the Gachupines. Below the Criollos were the Mestizos. Mestizos had mixed blood from Criollos, Indian, and African. The mestizo population early in the colonial period became the carriers of Spanish culture and were referred to as Hispanicized. Lastly, we have the non assimilated Indians and African slaves. These two groups had no rights whatsoever and remained Peons throughout this time period. Some were able to raise their social status through intermarriage with Criollos or Mestizos. In addition, place of birth, where someone lived or what they did for a living affected the social structure as well. Gachupines and Criollos were land owners. Mestizos, Indians and Africans were debt peons working on the haciendas. Debt peonage essentially locks in generations of labor by fronting money to the peon and before he can pay it off you give him more. Furthermore, mestizos, Indians and Africans lived in republicas de indios. One way the Mestizos were able to gain social rank was by moving to the Frontera or by intermarriage to lighten up the blood line. The Mestizos that moved to the North became Vaqueros or cattle ranchers and used the same kind of debt peon labor. Through the generations their skin color lightened and they now used the darker colored hispanisized indians for labor. The Spanish economic system was built on the Feudal System. Mexico was built on the Feudal System and that system is HIGHLY dependent on CHEAP LABOR. How do you keep labor cheap? By creating social class and RACISM. Finally, in short, the white Spaniard is above the Spain-exican, The Spain-exican is above the Mestizo, and the Mestizo is above the un assimilated indian and or African slave. NOTHING has changed, TODAY in MEXICO this social class still exists. The lighter Mexicans have money and power and the Darker Mexicans provide the cheap debt peon labor. Inter-Mexican Racism, KEEP THE BROWN DOWN and KEEP THEM WORKING CHEAP....
 
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