Why so much opposition to Tohono O'odham casino?

K: how does the state lose money to a casino? I have no clue but always assumed that the casinos paid some kind of tax to someone. Glendale has done nothing but hemorrhage money with their sports ventures so I was thinking that a casino might pay taxes and help their bureaucacy.
 

Kenny

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K: how does the state lose money to a casino? I have no clue but always assumed that the casinos paid some kind of tax to someone. Glendale has done nothing but hemorrhage money with their sports ventures so I was thinking that a casino might pay taxes and help their bureaucacy.
One of many..
"Despite previous court decisions backing the tribe’s efforts, Cholla District Councilman Manny Martinez said the city should not be hasty in abandoning its case. Martinez and Barrel District Councilwoman Yvonne Knaack believe the gaming hall would take business from area restaurants, bars and hotels, while Martinez pointed out the city would gain very little economically from the project.

“They pay no taxes, no impact fees; we stand to gain really nothing. It’s not going to bring us money,” he said. “To say I’m disappointed would be an understatement.”

The casino may actually wind up costing Glendale, he contends. “There’s going to have to be a greater police presence, there might be infrastructure costs. I know our attorneys are taking a look at it,” he added.
 

Kenny

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Remember this? I loved it!
FORT McDOWELL, Ariz. -- With the first streaks of light on May 12, 1992, Fort McDowell tribal members took a stand that changed their lives and the course of history for Arizona Indian tribes.
At the first light of day on May 12, 1992, agents invaded the Fort McDowell Casino, seizing the community's 349 gaming machines and loading them into moving trucks. Community members witnessing the raid took immediate action and called other community members, tribal leaders and the news media. Soon, using every available car, truck, and piece of movable heavy machinery, a blockade of the casino's access road was organized. A three-week standoff between the tribe and government followed. The Arizona governor ultimately was persuaded to sign a gaming compact with the tribe, thus paving the way for Indian gaming in Arizona. May 12 is now a tribal holiday.
 
From what I can tell the tribes do not pay any taxes from casino revenue.
I know for sure that if Glendale could develop an income stream of any kind from the casino the city would jump for joy and support it.
It seems so counter productive to spend thousands- most likely hundreds of thousands of dollars from all of the opposing entities to fight this project.
Hope you can view this link:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2012/10/11/native-american-casino-and-tax-rules-that-may-surprise-you/
 

Kenny

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It should be easy to see that when the taxpayers money go's to a tribal Casino and not towards goods and services, the state loses

I'm a little surprised that so many white men don't know about the tax status of Casino's/Smoke shops that are on reservation land or any business for that matter.

"We are going by you without fighting if you will let us, but we are going by you anyhow"!
—Chief Joseph (1840 - 1904), Nez Perce
 

Roberto

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A little history may bring some understanding.
Indian Tribes are considered independent governmental agencies, per the Commerce Clause in the US Constitution. As such Tribal Income is not taxable by any governmental agency, state or federal.
In 1976 a supreme court decision, Bryan Vs Itasca City, set the groundwork to enable Indian Gaming by establishing that Tribes cannot be prevented from participating in any activity that is permitted within a state and further more are not regulated by the state in which the reservation is located. Many of todays Tribal Casinos started as big stakes bingo operations. This was possible since most states permit bingo but regulate the payoffs and who can operated them. Tribes being exempt from state regulation offered large payoffs.

As time went on some tribes, like the Mescalero in NM, bootlegged equipment and installed slot machines. At first many were all electronic 'bingo' machines, but last generation slots were available and brought onto the reservations. The thought was that once on the reservation the Feds would have to come and get them. The feds tried and failed at McDowell and created a ground swell of machines into many reservations. Since it is/was a violation of federal law to bring these devices across state lines they were usually brought in late at night in rental trucks and over back roads few were ever apprehended. Once on the reservation everyone felt secure but confice and controversy with the states got pretty intense. There was a lot of tension during this period.

In 1985 the National Indian Gaming Comission, a Federal Office was created as was the National Indian Gaming Association of the Interested Tribes. NIGC was set up to find a solution to the 'Indian Gaming Problem". The Federal solution was the passage of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act, IGRA, in 1988, which in a brief nutshell set a framework that required states to enter into compacts or operating agreements with tribes to operate Class III gaming, slots, poker, etc. It was a rocky road but many states eventually began to offer the compacts. Those states that passed laws establishing procedures to issues compacts to the tribes set processes to collect some money from th operation. Those that firmly planted their heels were eventually forced into compacts with the tribes often not as favorable to the state. I am not sure but I believe Arizona dug in their heels.

One of the things to understand some of the conflict is to remember that all Tribes are not the same. Many have lived next to each other for maybe a thousand years and hate each other. I recall attending a meeting in NM with representatives of NM Tribes where the President of one tribe refused to get out of his vehicle and sit with the others. Guess is correct, Jerry is right, poaching on another tribe's historic land using tribal trust land off the reservation.

State and communities resist because of the obvious potential negative impacts and costs. If they would have cooperated more at the outset things would be better for them. The writing was on the wall, some refused to see it.
 
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