This doesn't help tourism!

playaperro

El Pirata
perro

Hey. brother! You warned people off this shit show 14 years ago…wonder wher the Martins are now? Perro lays it out :
“i remember pulling in to Penasco about 10 years ago and Omar Saenz was handing out fliers with it saying North Beach was No Beach. He hired kids to hand them out, North Beach was owned by a
ranching family, They did not care about the beach because of the salt water. To make a long story short. The martins scamed the owners took their land but they did not own the beach.
They sold the beach that they did not own to other scamers and the pyramid started. The Martins
are in spain. Just my 2 cents.”
Amigo ask Samuel who’s real estate signs he took down?
Apparently there was 3 other houses Real Estate agent was selling and this one was a fixer upper but the other houses were good and he surely doesn’t get that many listings without knowing, according to Samuel everyone that went out there knew and was warned.
 

Bob Oso

Well Known Member
Lobo Negro
It’s just not right to burn Omar if you want to do things right you burn the real estate agent that is the person that brought all these problems. It’s been done on here before.
Be nice to get pic of house sometimes they just don’t fit in, first time I saw playa dorado I thought it was fascinating.
I would of worked something out with Omar personally.
If it was just the real estate broker, that'd be one thing. But it seems this trust transfer has been processed through the standard maze of professional and state official, it's curious that none of them were questioning this purchase.

"It's just not right to burn Omar", Isn't Omar's brother that has been identified as the real estate agent? And working something out with him? According to the OP, it was $100k. And it sounds like the only thing that was going to be guaranteed was the OP would have $100k less.
 

lobonegro

Junior Member
Just wondering why that sign didnt give you pause?
Because I didn’t go past the sign to see the property. When I was staying about a mile and a half up the beach, I walked down the beach to the property. The other time I looked at the property, a friend gave me a ride on a razor and we went on a small trail that connects into the west edge of the dirt road that is behind the first row of homes. The first time I was made aware of the sign out by the main road, was when I talked to Omar the first time. Later, when I was made aware of the sign and I asked a million questions, I was told by a real estate attorney that it was regarding a separate section
 

CheddarBob

Well Known Member
Why were the real estate agents signs allowed to remain in place on all 3 properties. What are the chances the Lawyer and notario don't do a lot of business in Puerto Penasco. If they do they should be tarred and feathered or buried up to their necks in sand and let the buzzards have a feast. Sure gives an uneasy feeling owning in Puerto Penasco.
 

playaperro

El Pirata
Because I didn’t go past the sign to see the property. When I was staying about a mile and a half up the beach, I walked down the beach to the property. The other time I looked at the property, a friend gave me a ride on a razor and we went on a small trail that connects into the west edge of the dirt road that is behind the first row of homes. The first time I was made aware of the sign out by the main road, was when I talked to Omar the first time. Later, when I was made aware of the sign and I asked a million questions, I was told by a real estate attorney that it was regarding a separate section
Once you went to your attorney and you wanted them prosecuted and your attorney took it to the court and the ADA refused to prosecute them you opened up the flood gates. I understand your situation and I feel for you but legal system does not agree with you.
Go over to face book and there is a shit storm going on over there.
Samuel does know who you are and warned you before, during and after the sale he says on Facebook.
 

lobonegro

Junior Member
Omars brother responded after I reposted this on another forum….everyone wants to know who the “ real estatecprofessionals” were that didnt warn you away from this know minefield. “
Samuel Saenz
I am writing this on my behalf, as well as my brother’s Omar. I wish I had the space and time to answer all doubts and concerns but we would not get anywhere. First, You and I don’t know mexican laws to the depth of understanding them and give a fair opinion in here. Mostly, we gossip. Sometimes gossip needs facts to become a good and fair discussion.


May be an image of outdoors and text that says 'TO ALL THIS PROPERTY, A TOTAL OF 85.81.9 HECTARS, INCLUDING THE AREA KNOWN AS PLAYA DORADA, HAS BEEN REGISTERED UNDER TAX ID A32-2-0272, SINCE SEPTEMBER 1978 AND LEGALLY TRANSFERED TO MR. OMAR E. SAENZ IN JULY 1999. ANY TRANSACTION ON ALL PROPERTY, BE IT LAND OR DEEDS, AFTER SUCH DATES, IS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL. THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT OF PASSAGE. ANY QUESTIONS MAY BE DIRECTED TO: OMAR SAENZ 638 109 8048 520 2589578 US osaenz2008@yahoo.com''TO ALL THIS PROPERTY, A TOTAL OF 85.81.9 HECTARS, INCLUDING THE AREA KNOWN AS PLAYA DORADA, HAS BEEN REGISTERED UNDER TAX ID A32-2-0272, SINCE SEPTEMBER 1978 AND LEGALLY TRANSFERED TO MR. OMAR E. SAENZ IN JULY 1999. ANY TRANSACTION ON ALL PROPERTY, BE IT LAND OR DEEDS, AFTER SUCH DATES, IS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL. THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT OF PASSAGE. ANY QUESTIONS MAY BE DIRECTED TO: OMAR SAENZ 638 109 8048 520 2589578 US osaenz2008@yahoo.com'

A couple things that need correcting….

as mentioned above, I didn’t go past the sign.

….you said if the realtor was blocked, that should be a reason not to buy. I clearly stated that there was no sign of any conflict, dispute or blocking access until several weeks after the sale was closed and remodeling had already started. So that statement does not apply

I never said you stole materials, only that they went missing. Not just materials, but some furniture, bbque and other items. No, I don’t think Omar wanted a used bbq grill and swiped it in the middle of the night. When a project sits dormant for 2 years, things grow legs and walk away…I worked construction for many years also. Im sure you can attest that this happens on unsecured job sites, which this definitely was. My point was being blocked from finishing the job didnt allow me to finish installing those materials

as for the realtor signs, I was repeating what I was told, so if it didn’t happen that way, then I apologize if it that was mischaracterized

the reason i posted this on rocky point talk was to seek insight from people. I related my experience as it happened to me. I love Mexico, doesn’t mean I have to pretend that there aren’t problems. It’s not my job to promote tourism, the city has a guy for that. I have a real estate issue and posted in a real estate sub forum hoping the collective wisdom here might be helpful…and it has been.


these admittedly gossipy details distract form the bigger picture and questions here.

When Omar arranged a meeting to offer to sell the property we just bought, you can imagine that was confusing since we had a valid bank trust and all the documents that Mexico states we need to own this property. with this proof of ownership in hand, a man I never heard of is offering to sell me that same land. To your point Samuel, that he was offering to sell the land, i said “ if we wanted access to our property, he would sell it to us for $100,000 “. I was meaning that he was selling the land, as well as stating that without purchasing this from him, there was no other way he would allow us access to the area…maybe semantics but buying the land would also grant access, they were connected.

after this meeting, I began to learn about these tittle disputes, and overlapping claims of ownership. It didn’t seem possible both Omar and the realtors could be right. Thats why I hired and independent attorney to find out where this had gone wrong and who was accountable, and how I might recoup some of my losses. He concluded that the sale was proper and was recognized by all the officials, banks, and everyone who signed off on this.

My gut told me that this would be a ridiculously long process to sort out, and years would be wasted. When I met with Omar, we left with the understanding that I needed time to look into what was going on and investigate if the sale was bogus and if I needed to go after the realty company And I would be back in touch. It took several months to look into all this to even have an idea of all that was in play. I reached out to Omar many times to work this out with him. I found a way to get financial help to be in a position to sit down with Omar and hopefully his 100,000 offer would resolve the issue once and for all, but He wouldn't return calls or emails. Why make an offer and then ghost me? Of course, during this time, my realtor and attorney where meeting with the city officials to present all their evidence of ownership. They are doing their job standing by a client to try to fix this mess.

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I have some sincere questions for you if you have insights into this: no one else seems to know.

That home is decades old, Omar wasn’t in possession of it and The sellers had no affiliation with the saenz that I’m aware of. Where the previous owners living on Omar’s property and Omars house and he didn’t mind until after I bought it? What am I missing? Why didn’t he take possession in 2017?

How do you view the bank trust and title that I have? Is it not valid? And if not, why? When I bought this property, what did I actually buy?

Since Omar is a proper and reasonable guy, why did he cut off all communication to try and resolve this….I’ve been open to that the entire time. I can think of lot better things both parties could spend money on rather than lawyer fees. This could have been resolved long ago.

I never said Omar is a mad man. I know he has his reasons…. I don’t think he is a crazy guy on a dozer crushing houses. His approach to this doesn’t make sense to me, as I see mutually beneficial solutions. I think he is being shortsighted, but I don’t know his reasons. I don’t know who cheated who decades ago, but it wasn’t me. Sounds like bad blood and grudges go deep in that part of town.
I do think it is brazen to tear down a house that is in dispute. Your definition of brazen is wrong. it means to do something in a bold and shocking way. I think it fits. It completely ignores all the valid government documents That exist.

I also stand by my opinion that there is a conflict of interest when Omar is part of the administration that is supposed to be helping resolve the issue in a fair manner. You don’t think there is any unfair influence and he should recuse himself in these situations? Of course he can support his interests, but wouldn’t it be proper to keep these interests seperate? There are many active lawsuits regarding access to homes, other properties in dispute, but this is from others on the beach that know the situation and have reached out to me to relate their experiences.…so, yes, Just gossip.

Samuel, your well thought out response is appreciated. Know that I am a regular, honest hard working man who was just trying to fulfill a lifelong dream and for over 2 years i have been trying to resolve this. Im not on facebook, but maybe you will see this here
 

joanC

Well Known Member
Arizona Superior Court has previously accepted jurisdiction over law suits for damages ( in personam claims) involving Penasco real estate and parties resident in Arizona. This means you can sue and recover money, but the Az court cannot order a transfer or cancellation of a title or land ownership.
 

lobonegro

Junior Member
Once you went to your attorney and you wanted them prosecuted and your attorney took it to the court and the ADA refused to prosecute them you opened up the flood gates. I understand your situation and I feel for you but legal system does not agree with you.
Go over to face book and there is a shit storm going on over there.
Samuel does know who you are and warned you before, during and after the sale he says on Facebook.

That is not true. If that is what he is posting, that is a lie. I Have never met samuel. I met Omar and obed in benson arizona, and talked to him on the phone once before that. Samuel has never spoken to me. Never heard the name of any Saenz until weeks after the sale closed.
 

playaperro

El Pirata
That is not true. If that is what he is posting, that is a lie. I Have never met samuel. I met Omar and obed in benson arizona, and talked to him on the phone once before that. Samuel has never spoken to me. Never heard the name of any Saenz until weeks after the sale closed.
Sorry took a screenshot but the server won’t let me load.
I tried on conversation with you but won’t load.
Maybe some other people can load it.
 

lobonegro

Junior Member
Once you went to your attorney and you wanted them prosecuted and your attorney took it to the court and the ADA refused to prosecute them you opened up the flood gates. I understand your situation and I feel for you but legal system does not agree with you.
Go over to face book and there is a shit storm going on over there.
Samuel does know who you are and warned you before, during and after the sale he says on Facebook.
can you expound on this a bit....when I hired an independent attorney to look over this sale, I was trying to figure out who was right, mr saenz, or did my real estate company make serious errors and losses should be recuperated from them. i wanted an opinion from someone with no skin in the game. His conclusion was that the sale was legit and should be recognized. i don't believe he ever filed a suit or asked for prosecution. He presented his findings to the city and asked them to enforce our legal rights to have access to the property based on the records provided. The request was never acted on as far as I know. what flood gates were opened? this was almost 2 years ago when those requests were made, and i haven't heard a peep since. i've been trying to find other remedies ever since. I cant tell if the courts agree with me or not...nothing happens, it just gets kicked down the road.
 

lobonegro

Junior Member
Arizona Superior Court has previously accepted jurisdiction over law suits for damages ( in personam claims) involving Penasco real estate and parties resident in Arizona. This means you can sue and recover money, but the Az court cannot order a transfer or cancellation of a title or land ownership.
thank you, you've given me more to research tonight
 

Old55

Well Known Member
Amigo ask Samuel who’s real estate signs he took down?
Apparently there was 3 other houses Real Estate agent was selling and this one was a fixer upper but the other houses were good and he surely doesn’t get that many listings without knowing, according to Samuel everyone that went out there knew and was warned.
so that brings up a question.Does everyone change of ownership in Playa Dorado envolve a meeting with the buyer and Omar in Benson? Why not just approach the realtor in the first place and do this clean.I think all those sellers should clear the air. I sorta think there was a conspiracy of silence …Wow the boosters sure got hot at yours truely for trying to help by getting this out there.I really think you have to go after who gives you the best chance of getting your money back.400 plus comments .Most sympathetic to you.He really shouldnt have knocked it down.Bad for the towns image and he now is the face of Rocky Point tourism.I think he may want to end this if hes smart ( which he is) .Things may be looking up!
 

Old55

Well Known Member
Once you went to your attorney and you wanted them prosecuted and your attorney took it to the court and the ADA refused to prosecute them you opened up the flood gates. I understand your situation and I feel for you but legal system does not agree with you.
Go over to face book and there is a shit storm going on over there.
Samuel does know who you are and warned you before, during and after the sale he says on Facebook.
“was told by a real estate attorney that it was regarding a separate section” was that in writing ?
 

CheddarBob

Well Known Member
so that brings up a question.Does everyone change of ownership in Playa Dorado envolve a meeting with the buyer and Omar in Benson? Why not just approach the realtor in the first place and do this clean.I think all those sellers should clear the air. I sorta think there was a conspiracy of silence …Wow the boosters sure got hot at yours truely for trying to help by getting this out there.I really think you have to go after who gives you the best chance of getting your money back.400 plus comments .Most sympathetic to you.He really shouldnt have knocked it down.Bad for the towns image and he now is the face of Rocky Point tourism.I think he may want to end this if hes smart ( which he is) .Things may be looking up!
Just remember to bring a brown paper bag with a $100k in it.
 

Old55

Well Known Member
Just remember to bring a brown paper bag with a $100k in it.
Bob, doesn't that just screen legit businessman…I ask myself what the hell was wrong with Hawaii again every time I hear a deal like this, get a cartel gun pointed at me or get stoped by a crooked cop!
 

playaperro

El Pirata
“was told by a real estate attorney that it was regarding a separate section” was that in writing ?
Sorry it’s Samuel talking in 3 person saying
Good morning Mr Kelly indeed there is no way to control the institutions, however he was warned before the purchase and during the purchase.
Easy to find
It’s there maybe I didn’t interpret very well at first but that’s what written.
 

Old55

Well Known Member
Sorry it’s Samuel talking in 3 person saying
Good morning Mr Kelly indeed there is no way to control the institutions, however he was warned before the purchase and during the purchase.
Easy to find
It’s there maybe I didn’t interpret very well at first but that’s what written.
Perro, Samuel was way less pissed at me that that gaggle of realtor types ( maybe) ,air bnb owner types and a few stray knuckleheads ….to bad Roberto isnt still with us.He had all the dope on this deal.
 

CheddarBob

Well Known Member
Bob, doesn't that just screen legit businessman…I ask myself what the hell was wrong with Hawaii again every time I hear a deal like this, get a cartel gun pointed at me or get stoped by a crooked cop!
We were one day away from going live on MLS for both our properties this spring and pulled the plug at the eleventh hour. We now have some concerns regarding this decision. This of course was after spending the entire day reading the blog from 2008 and todays posts. What a shit show. When we bought I didn’t even consider that this could happen. I will be the first to say holy shit we were nieve and ripe for the pickings. Luck was on our side not so much for others.
 

lobonegro

Junior Member
Sorry it’s Samuel talking in 3 person saying
Good morning Mr Kelly indeed there is no way to control the institutions, however he was warned before the purchase and during the purchase.
Easy to find
It’s there maybe I didn’t interpret very well at first but that’s what written.
maybe he was meaning the realtor? maybe he will clarify. what facebook page is this on?
 
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