playaperro said:Hey Dork don't speak any spanish?
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Las Palomas update?
Started by El Gato · Jan 12, 2011 · 563 replies
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Well as everyone that's been on the forum for any length of time knows, Dryheat thinks he has a First Class seat on the Condo lifeboat.That may be true but there is the small matter of the hole in the boat.Everyone will go down together.
My guess is he just doesn't like the rental business model and the current theft by owner (Miskin?) works in some way I'm not seeing...hey no surprise there!
My guess is he just doesn't like the rental business model and the current theft by owner (Miskin?) works in some way I'm not seeing...hey no surprise there!
Not everyone feels that the Condo's are a "SINKING SHIP" I happen to love both of my condo's but I am also glad I made my purchases this year with the lowering prices. And have it budgeted that if the 1 in the rental pool doesn't get rented out I know that me and my friends will still have a great time. The other Condo is just for me and my wife and we don't choose to rent it out. I think DryHeave was one like so many others who when times were good bought way to many with way to much inflated money and is now pissed because the bottom dropped out. My thought is if you can't afford to leave it empty maybe you should have never bought it...
And of course not everyone complaining can't afford to leave it empty. But who would want to?Always nice to maximize your return.
AZ ROB said:Not everyone feels that the Condo's are a "SINKING SHIP" I happen to love both of my condo's but I am also glad I made my purchases this year with the lowering prices. And have it budgeted that if the 1 in the rental pool doesn't get rented out I know that me and my friends will still have a great time. The other Condo is just for me and my wife and we don't choose to rent it out. I think DryHeave was one like so many others who when times were good bought way to many with way to much inflated money and is now pissed because the bottom dropped out. My thought is if you can't afford to leave it empty maybe you should have never bought it...
I remember years ago when I was staying at Playa Bonita (RV Park)....overheard some Californian bragging on how she had just bought a condo, and was going to buy 3-4 more...and cover her expenses with rentals......I wonder where she is right now!!!
Dry, I know you over heard someone call me the black sheep of my family once and now you assume I am your son. I am sorry Dry its not genetically possible for me or anyone else to be your son. And Dry please stop having your mail sent to my address and get back on your med’s please ! What should I do with your mail ? It seems to be a self-portrait, monthly magazine, you teaching your girlfriend to ride a motorcycle and random pictures of your other assorted girl friends. Where should I forward your mail too ?
dry heat said:That is no way to talk to your father Tom.
Tom...that's just so wrong in so many ways......
Joe it was meant to be wrong ! Me dry meats SON ??? now that was really wrong !
rockyptjoe said:Tom...that's just so wrong in so many ways......
Now that was creative, I appreciate the time you spent coming up with that. More please
Tomcat said:Dry, I know you over heard someone call me the black sheep of my family once and now you assume I am your son. I am sorry Dry its not genetically possible for me or anyone else to be your son. And Dry please stop having your mail sent to my address and get back on your med’s please ! What should I do with your mail ? It seems to be a self-portrait, monthly magazine, you teaching your girlfriend to ride a motorcycle and random pictures of your other assorted girl friends. Where should I forward your mail too ?
AZ ROB said:Not everyone feels that the Condo's are a "SINKING SHIP" I happen to love both of my condo's but I am also glad I made my purchases this year with the lowering prices. And have it budgeted that if the 1 in the rental pool doesn't get rented out I know that me and my friends will still have a great time. The other Condo is just for me and my wife and we don't choose to rent it out. I think DryHeave was one like so many others who when times were good bought way to many with way to much inflated money and is now pissed because the bottom dropped out. My thought is if you can't afford to leave it empty maybe you should have never bought it...
You win some (buy low), you lose some (buy high). However never purchase if you can't afford with actual liquid assets and not borrowed debt. Absolutely agree with you that if you can't afford to leave it empty (swine flu, corruption, american tourist get's killed, etc) then you should not have purchased a "want". Good thoughts AZROB. Also, no better time than now to purchase another unit (1 bedrooms are now approaching the high 90's- great purchase price). Good time to buy if you can.
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Hey Dry "Seco" Heat I know who u are thanks to my amigas, you are the owner of a local R E Firm...
Ok on the "now is a good time to buy" front (we have been there before but I think you are right except for the crony capitalism issue)
No one should buy there until the fees,managment issues and long term debt issues have been made transparent.If you guys remember 4 years ago when many of us were calling bullshit on the place (270k condos that cost 90 to build?????) the boosters were saying the monthly hoa fees would never top 400 a month. Hell they are 650 at the cool looking condo just north of the Mayan (forget the name) and there is no bare rebar in sight.I just think you need a bill of rights for owners otherwise you are just buying a nice hotel room for some New York gangster.
No one should buy there until the fees,managment issues and long term debt issues have been made transparent.If you guys remember 4 years ago when many of us were calling bullshit on the place (270k condos that cost 90 to build?????) the boosters were saying the monthly hoa fees would never top 400 a month. Hell they are 650 at the cool looking condo just north of the Mayan (forget the name) and there is no bare rebar in sight.I just think you need a bill of rights for owners otherwise you are just buying a nice hotel room for some New York gangster.
dry heat said:You win some (buy low), you lose some (buy high). However never purchase if you can't afford with actual liquid assets and not borrowed debt. Absolutely agree with you that if you can't afford to leave it empty (swine flu, corruption, american tourist get's killed, etc) then you should not have purchased a "want". Good thoughts AZROB. Also, no better time than now to purchase another unit (1 bedrooms are now approaching the high 90's- great purchase price). Good time to buy if you can.
playaperro said:Hey Dry "Seco" Heat I know who u are thanks to my amigas, you are the owner of a local R E Firm...
owner of a mexican real estate firm??? hell no. no money in that type of business for the next 5 years. I would rather buy, hold, sell via a real estate broker than get in the business as an actual real estate agent. All I do in penasco is invest a little here and there, nothing more nothing less. I have some commercial interest and own a couple of condo units in penasco (may add another may not).
jerry said:Ok on the "now is a good time to buy" front (we have been there before but I think you are right except for the crony capitalism issue)
No one should buy there until the fees,managment issues and long term debt issues have been made transparent.If you guys remember 4 years ago when many of us were calling bullshit on the place (270k condos that cost 90 to build?????) the boosters were saying the monthly hoa fees would never top 400 a month. Hell they are 650 at the cool looking condo just north of the Mayan (forget the name) and there is no bare rebar in sight.I just think you need a bill of rights for owners otherwise you are just buying a nice hotel room for some New York gangster.
1. you are right, good time to buy. however I too would wait until the fall or winter when things are more transparent and controlled by the owners.
2. $270k for a condo 4 years ago was about the price you would find at any of the developments along sandy beach (if they sold for 270k, it probably cost around 60k to build)
3. HOA fee's have gone down over the last 3 years or stayed flat. The developer was covering 25% of the hoa fee's until each phase was delivered to the owners. At that point the owners had to cover the 25%. Some owners may have been under the impression that it was a 25% increase, however this was not the case and was disclosed on the closing docs. If you include the 25% HOA fee's covered by the developer, the fee's actually went down from 2009-2010, 2011 the fee's were flat.
So Im a new forum member; So Heave; I was impressed by the mtg; So which secret suirrl are you; I am very frustrated by u & others jumping off the ship. I was soooooo pissed by u all that I reblocked from 4/30 out thru August. I am currently owed 10K; I am wondering if u SC (s) received some good faith $ from WWG!!!???? I await ur coments.......
Dr Howard said:So Im a new forum member; So Heave; I was impressed by the mtg; So which secret suirrl are you; I am very frustrated by u & others jumping off the ship. I was soooooo pissed by u all that I reblocked from 4/30 out thru August. I am currently owed 10K; I am wondering if u SC (s) received some good faith $ from WWG!!!???? I await ur coments.......
1. If you are owed past rental income, I believe suggestions and instructions were given to help owners decrease the balance owed to them (posted on owner yahoo group site)
2. It appears the rental operator is paying owners for rental income moving forward (since feb. 1)
3. Negotiations are on going with the developer regarding various debts and services. Hopefully a resolution will be achieved soon. I am sure you would agree that it would not be prudent to post on a public forum the details of such negotiations. However, the Surveillance Committee has emailed updates when appropriate and when information is ready to be shared.
4. I don't remember the Surveillance Committee forcing anyone to un-block their unit from rentals. I believe this was the statement:
Please make your own decision as to whether or not you want to continue to rent through the current Operadora pending the finalization of these negotiations because we are planning on having a new Operadora on board this Summer.
5. I don't understand your comment regarding "jumping off the ship". If it is in reference to the recommendation of no longer needing to block units, well I assume that was part of the negotiations. In any case the operator had 70% of the units available to rent, thus it would not affect them other than 2 weekends in the year. It appears owners don't take recommendations as a whole and only 30% even did anything about it- it appears you are one of the owners that did. It served it's purpose for a short period, however it was ineffective due to the lack of cooperation by the rental pool owners. Operator averages 25% occupancy, so you can see that they had plenty of units at their disposal.
6. The goal of the meeting was to provide as much detail regarding the situation at hand and what viable options we have moving forward.
7. it does not matter who I am, no one important.
So its apparent that u r a person w/ Authority in HOA matters; How is it that this 6 day rule became a rule w/o a vote? I have parents (retired) and clients, etc that enjoy RP & my condo sometimes on a weekly basis & now ur rules dictate otherwise. This is my HOUSE/PRPOERTY to use how I please.... I again await your wisdom here........
Dr Howard said:So its apparent that u r a person w/ Authority in HOA matters; How is it that this 6 day rule became a rule w/o a vote? I have parents (retired) and clients, etc that enjoy RP & my condo sometimes on a weekly basis & now ur rules dictate otherwise. This is my HOUSE/PRPOERTY to use how I please.... I again await your wisdom here........
I am an owner just like you. I suggest you bring your concerns up with the rental operator or the administrator. Some rules and regulations require a vote, others don't. Unfortunately when someone lives in a co-op or condo regime governed by rules and regulations, we can't use our "Property how I please". Suggestion for that type of endevour would be to purchase a property where you have no restrictions. Even though you say that you "await my wisdom", I would rather have you gain this wisdom by following up yourself along the proper channels when it comes to your concerns. Best.
Is it true that one of the members of the SC (Squirrels) or TC is a paid consultant & working w/ WWG. And you wonder why SC & TC are getting questioned about our direction. I am still on the ship but would like full transparency.....
I don't see how one can prevent a prive corporation from using the services of an individual when it comes to consulting them on their operation (happens frequently and often with board members of various fields).
If this is the case, I doubt said corporation would be paying anyone for such rendered services.
I would suggest you contact the person directly if you have any further questions.
If this is the case, I doubt said corporation would be paying anyone for such rendered services.
I would suggest you contact the person directly if you have any further questions.
You failed to address my question, Dry Heave......I am not sure where & how this 6 DAY Max (guest of owner) mandate came to be??? Again I do understand that we r in this mess together but one CANNOT or should not be changing the rules without proper voting.....
Dr Howard said:You failed to address my question, Dry Heave......I am not sure where & how this 6 DAY Max (guest of owner) mandate came to be??? Again I do understand that we r in this mess together but one CANNOT or should not be changing the rules without proper voting.....
Like I said, some things can be changed, altered, removed with a vote other's don't require a vote. For further clarification regarding restrictions I suggest you contact the entity that established the restriction. I would also suggest you read the HOA bylaws (newest ones) and the rental operator contract for what can and can't be done. I don't speak for the resort, thus I would rather have you research your specific questions and/or concerns with the proper channel.
So my parents want to stay in my home there that I paid for(completely i might add you smug mutha). But they want to arrive on a Friday and leave on the following Saturday. You and the other buffoons call this an illegal rental.Or more precisely an "overstay" and want to charge me for my parents staying in my home. And the other resorts do this too? I don't think so. You got an uprising on your hands here Ghadafi.The sooner you realize it the sooner you relenquish the driver's seat.
Lead, follow or GET THE F OUT OF THE WAY!
Are those of you that weren't foolish enough to buy there in complete disbelief? The only ones more arrogant than WWG are these cocky Americans with the bullshit story.
Lead, follow or GET THE F OUT OF THE WAY!
Are those of you that weren't foolish enough to buy there in complete disbelief? The only ones more arrogant than WWG are these cocky Americans with the bullshit story.
dry heat said:Like I said, some things can be changed, altered, removed with a vote other's don't require a vote. For further clarification regarding restrictions I suggest you contact the entity that established the restriction. I would also suggest you read the HOA bylaws (newest ones) and the rental operator contract for what can and can't be done. I don't speak for the resort, thus I would rather have you research your specific questions and/or concerns with the proper channel.
Here is the problem for every owner in the rental pool. If you don't like the rules of the single operator, you have no other option because the HOA will come down on you hard for renting on your own. What if WWG decides to raise the rates to 50/60/70% of income? What if they decide to eliminate all Guest of owners and turn your unit into a hotel room?
The only protection you have is the SC and the TC, and they have proven they are not interested in your view, otherwise they would have held votes and considered these changes out in the open. Instead they will bend and use the rules ensure that you have no other options than WWG or their next handpicked operator. Dryheat is right...the only answer is to get owners involved on the SC/TC committees who are concerned with not infringing on owners rights. We have been infringed on enough with the lack of rental payments and increasing HOA debt.
They got a house of cards there and it is not sustainable in it's present form. The worst thing we could allow is what is happening now.
A group of self serving Gringos and WWG colluding and destroying values, image, and ultimately our resort.
A group of self serving Gringos and WWG colluding and destroying values, image, and ultimately our resort.
curiousgeorge said:Here is the problem for every owner in the rental pool. If you don't like the rules of the single operator, you have no other option because the HOA will come down on you hard for renting on your own. What if WWG decides to raise the rates to 50/60/70% of income? What if they decide to eliminate all Guest of owners and turn your unit into a hotel room?
The only protection you have is the SC and the TC, and they have proven they are not interested in your view, otherwise they would have held votes and considered these changes out in the open. Instead they will bend and use the rules ensure that you have no other options than WWG or their next handpicked operator. Dryheat is right...the only answer is to get owners involved on the SC/TC committees who are concerned with not infringing on owners rights. We have been infringed on enough with the lack of rental payments and increasing HOA debt.[/QUrOTE]
Liked your post Tom except the part about Dry being right. This guy is one of them.
ernesto said:So my parents want to stay in my home there that I paid for(completely i might add you smug mutha). But they want to arrive on a Friday and leave on the following Saturday. You and the other buffoons call this an illegal rental.Or more precisely an "overstay" and want to charge me for my parents staying in my home. And the other resorts do this too? I don't think so. You got an uprising on your hands here Ghadafi.The sooner you realize it the sooner you relenquish the driver's seat.
Lead, follow or GET THE F OUT OF THE WAY!
Are those of you that weren't foolish enough to buy there in complete disbelief? The only ones more arrogant than WWG are these cocky Americans with the bullshit story.
I am going to help you use common sense and achieve a realized goal instead of beating your head against the wall and achieving no success... contact the general manager of the resort and let him know the unique situation, provide him all the details regarding your parents visit (ex. full name, dates of stay, relationship, address, etc). Simple and an effective way to achieve results for your unique situation of having a guest of owner stay 8 consecutive nights. best
Ah so they don't apply the rules equally to all.Condescending jerk.
ernesto said:So my parents want to stay in my home there that I paid for(completely i might add you smug mutha). But they want to arrive on a Friday and leave on the following Saturday.
They would not believe this story in the Twilight Zone. WWG now want you to pay them 35% to use you own unit if a guest stays 7 nights! Last year they stopped paying you and kept all the money for guests that stay in your condo. They stopped paying their HOA fees years ago.
The takeover of your condo into a Hotel room is almost complete.
Right on George! Power to the people.
ernesto said:Ah so they don't apply the rules equally to all.Condescending jerk.
Didn't you know that there are exceptions for everything at LP.
No worries that you need to jump through hoops and explain yourself to a stranger who rarely even answers the phone.
We are the owners. Since when do I need permission from WWG to use my own condo?
curiousgeorge said:Here is the problem for every owner in the rental pool. If you don't like the rules of the single operator, you have no other option because the HOA will come down on you hard for renting on your own. What if WWG decides to raise the rates to 50/60/70% of income? What if they decide to eliminate all Guest of owners and turn your unit into a hotel room?
The only protection you have is the SC and the TC, and they have proven they are not interested in your view, otherwise they would have held votes and considered these changes out in the open. Instead they will bend and use the rules ensure that you have no other options than WWG or their next handpicked operator. Dryheat is right...the only answer is to get owners involved on the SC/TC committees who are concerned with not infringing on owners rights. We have been infringed on enough with the lack of rental payments and increasing HOA debt.
Read the bylaws/regulations of the rental operator and HOA to find out what the responsability of each of these committee's involves. then you can post exactly what the description is for each of these groups here on this forum so that you can educate us. You clearly have no idea what is involved in replacing an operator (again read your bylaws to find out). A single operator is the same in every other resort so your example of an operator raising their fee 50/60/70 of income can technically happen anywhere that only allows one rental operator. Suggestion is to purchase a private residence in a community that is not governed by an association (yes the laws of a mexican association are very different from the laws of an american association- mexican bylaws give the administrator greater control).
You sound like a broken record, how many times has it been posted that current negotiations are going on that will cover debt owed to various entities. In the meantime, at least rental income is being paid for current and future reservations. You are absolutely right, we have been infringed long enough, thus the reason why we are looking to a new rental operator and administrator along with resolving the past debt owed. I don't understand why you are having a hard time reading this statement that has been repeated over and over and over again.
Oh screw you and your bylaws,you've got a broken down bus without a wheel! You cannot enforce a contract unless it's done bilaterally.
ernesto said:Ah so they don't apply the rules equally to all.Condescending jerk.
no dummy, it's like dealing with the IRS, a business, a lender etc. if you have a unique situation you just need to provide details to the person or entity that controls the outcome. Maybe an allowance will be made for your situation, maybe not.
curiousgeorge said:Didn't you know that there are exceptions for everything at LP.
No worries that you need to jump through hoops and explain yourself to a stranger who rarely even answers the phone.
We are the owners. Since when do I need permission from WWG to use my own condo?
Because you are not in the US and you purchased in a different country with different laws for HOA's, rental operators, developers, etc. Should have done your due dilligence and not just rushed to buy something. Saying "we are the owners" is a joke. Find out 1st what you can and can't do. If the developer wanted to be a prick they could tell everyone not to drive on their road (yes because the road leading up to the resort is on private property. Complicated issues are beyond the scope of some. I suggest you let the unit go back to the bank since it is becoming too much for you.
dry heat said:Read the bylaws/regulations of the rental operator and HOA to find out what the responsability of each of these committee's involves. then you can post exactly what the description is for each of these groups here on this forum so that you can educate us. You clearly have no idea what is involved in replacing an operator (again read your bylaws to find out). A single operator is the same in every other resort so your example of an operator raising their fee 50/60/70 of income can technically happen anywhere that only allows one rental operator. Suggestion is to purchase a private residence in a community that is not governed by an association (yes the laws of a mexican association are very different from the laws of an american association- mexican bylaws give the administrator greater control).
You sound like a broken record, how many times has it been posted that current negotiations are going on that will cover debt owed to various entities. In the meantime, at least rental income is being paid for current and future reservations. You are absolutely right, we have been infringed long enough, thus the reason why we are looking to a new rental operator and administrator along with resolving the past debt owed. I don't understand why you are having a hard time reading this statement that has been repeated over and over and over again.
The broken record is you.
You act like you are in denial that a small group of owners continues to break and bend the rules to meet their own agenda. I am not complaining about the Operator, I am complaining about the SC/TC. In other resorts, a small group of owners would not lead the charge to turn their resort into a Hotel in response to the issue at hand. A riot would ensue if you told owners they could not use their own PURCHASED property. You can tell us all to talk to the operator, but don't mislead anyone.....these latest infringement on owners was lead by a small group of owners.
WWG is not the problem here. It is you.
ernesto said:They got a house of cards there and it is not sustainable in it's present form. The worst thing we could allow is what is happening now.
A group of self serving Gringos and WWG colluding and destroying values, image, and ultimately our resort.
Another blah blah whine whine session. Yawn. lots of talk produces no action. But I guess it's something for you to do.
dry heat said:Because you are not in the US and you purchased in a different country with different laws for HOA's, rental operators, developers, etc. Should have done your due dilligence and not just rushed to buy something. Saying "we are the owners" is a joke. Find out 1st what you can and can't do. If the developer wanted to be a prick they could tell everyone not to drive on their road (yes because the road leading up to the resort is on private property. Complicated issues are beyond the scope of some. I suggest you let the unit go back to the bank since it is becoming too much for you.
Man up and take responsibility. It is not the developer leading this.
ernesto said:Oh screw you and your bylaws,you've got a broken down bus without a wheel! You cannot enforce a contract unless it's done bilaterally.
Sure, just say that to the HOA and the rental operator and see what can be done in Mexico and see how they can do it. I would suggest you contact an attorney in mexico and learn about mexican law. sorry we are in a different turf with different rules. best of luck.
curiousgeorge said:The broken record is you.
You act like you are in denial that a small group of owners continues to break and bend the rules to meet their own agenda. I am not complaining about the Operator, I am complaining about the SC/TC. In other resorts, a small group of owners would not lead the charge to turn their resort into a Hotel in response to the issue at hand. A riot would ensue if you told owners they could not use their own PURCHASED property. You can tell us all to talk to the operator, but don't mislead anyone.....these latest infringement on owners was lead by a small group of owners.
WWG is not the problem here. It is you.
My poor lost soul. read what the TC/SC can do 1st and let us know what it says in the mexican bylaws for these two groups.
My guess is the Operator being cut away from 2m+ in lost rental income over the last 4 years due to owners renting outside of their contact would play a key in the latest enforcement. If you want to think that the problem is owners and not WWG, then I am really working with an idiot. In any case, go ahead and continue with me, I am sure it will get a lot accomplished for you.
curiousgeorge said:Man up and take responsibility. It is not the developer leading this.
Sure, if you say so.
Hola Dry meat; I am back; Whats ur response to the 6 day/month limitation.... u seem to ignore my questions at times?
George is dead right on! And you Deadmeat should get down from there before you get a nosebleed or fall and hurt yourself.Who the f do you think you are?The Mexican developers gotta love an asshole rules guy like you. You are willing to play by the rules while they don't. Mexicans fix shit with ductape and bailing wire, We need to have an owner takeover here, And you my self esteemed friend won't be invited. Or Ben.
Hey Jerry and Kenny! Wanna pound him for awhile? I gotta pee.
Dr Howard said:Hola Dry meat; I am back; Whats ur response to the 6 day/month limitation.... u seem to ignore my questions at times?
I am. I'm bored and don't feel like discussing in details issues I don't have a problem with. Since you do, I wish you the best in your action plan.
ernesto said:George is dead right on! And you Deadmeat should get down from there before you get a nosebleed or fall and hurt yourself.Who the f do you think you are?The Mexican developers gotta love an asshole rules guy like you. You are willing to play by the rules while they don't. Mexicans fix shit with ductape and bailing wire, We need to have an owner takeover here, And you my self esteemed friend won't be invited. Or Ben.
Blah blah blah, some old song with no action. You and ben must have had a bad breakup since you talk about him so much. Anyways keep me entertained ernesto, what's next?
ernesto said:Hey Jerry and Kenny! Wanna pound him for awhile? I gotta pee.
Don't go ernesto, I enjoy your crying a lot more.
So Ben, Dry Heave, TC, Secret Squirrels are ALL OK with this the 6 day ruling. Is that the correct understanding?
hey ernesto; Go see a urologist so u dont have to goooooooooooo
That's not one of the topics this Secret Squirrel is willing to discuss Dr H.
R U a urologist Dr H?
No; I am a squirrel or Rich Jerk like Heave
dry heat said:Sure, just say that to the HOA and the rental operator and see what can be done in Mexico and see how they can do it. I would suggest you contact an attorney in mexico and learn about mexican law. sorry we are in a different turf with different rules. best of luck.
You know whar Dryheave? The more you babble ,the more we all realize you and your asshole buddies really don't know WTF you are doing.
Come on Dry Heave; lets have your final answer to this 6 day thing..............
Dr Howard said:So Ben, Dry Heave, TC, Secret Squirrels are ALL OK with this the 6 day ruling. Is that the correct understanding?
OK with it? They came up with the idea!
Dr Howard said:So Ben, Dry Heave, TC, Secret Squirrels are ALL OK with this the 6 day ruling. Is that the correct understanding?
Yawn. Whatever you say howard t
ernesto said:You know whar Dryheave? The more you babble ,the more we all realize you and your asshole buddies really don't know WTF you are doing.
Again you waste time behind a computer typing away your sadness. Go hire an attorney or do something, you could have spent this entire time productively, instead you are wasting it. Either way, I don't care and I enjoy your funny thoughts.
Now we r getting to the bottom of this thing. I cannot believe a fellow owner is down with limitations on how we use our own home. My poor dad cant even enjoy Las Palomas & its ONE amenety for 7 days!!
Guys I understand the frustration, I know this will make it difficult to cheat the system and continue the cahs flow of unauthorized paying guests. I get it.
Dr Howard said:Now we r getting to the bottom of this thing. I cannot believe a fellow owner is down with limitations on how we use our own home. My poor dad cant even enjoy Las Palomas & its ONE amenety for 7 days!!
"Poor dad can't even enjoy las palomas".... sure, that was a good one.
Your father has the same owner rights you do, remember the owner id program and who could have one? Unless you are having a problem sneeking in paying guests (I mean poor dads), I can see the frustration.
Who said cheeting: I am an owner who HAS played 100% by the rules & have an accounts receivable of almost 10K to thank thos e bastards for. So take the 6 day thing and......................Hector/WWG
Dr Howard said:Who said cheeting: I am an owner who HAS played 100% by the rules & have an accounts receivable of almost 10K to thank thos e bastards for. So take the 6 day thing and......................Hector/WWG
Sure. And why can't your "poor dad" come again? Is he restricted as a parent of the owner? Hmmm, maybe you should have said your "poor cousin".
dry heat said:Guys I understand the frustration, I know this will make it difficult to cheat the system and continue the cahs flow of unauthorized paying guests. I get it.
Honesty from Drymeat. The ends justify the means. Who cares about infringing on the entire resorts and all owners rights, making or bending rules? Who cares that all of RP is laughing at the owners of LP for playing into WWG's hands? The SC is singleminded in catching a few cheats! It will never be enough for you guys until you have fully turned over the whole resort to the management company and successfully created a hotel.
Any for profit Operator/partner needs checks and balances. Some audits and a healthy dose of skepticism. They do not need the only representatives of the resort conspiring with the operator to limit all owners rights.
You are the problem. Not WWG.
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Dry Heat. Keep it coming. Almost 8,000 views to this thread. I am betting quite a few LP owners are reading this and are waking up.
Every post of yours is priceless...thanks!
Please do not stop. :)
Every post of yours is priceless...thanks!
Please do not stop. :)
Ok........my dad does have a Lanyard......Lets say "Client" "Customer" "Neighbor" Good Friend Etc. Who is the entity that wants to limit who I offer MY home to; when no cash is involved???? Your answer is still like answer an ATTY might offer?
dry heat said:Guys I understand the frustration, I know this will make it difficult to cheat the system and continue the cahs flow of unauthorized paying guests. I get it.
Try and think Big Picture Dryheat. How many extra cheats to you think you are going to catch with this new 6 day rule? Aren't there enough rules already in place to catch the cheats?
Now how many owners, who had no problem with the other rules, are now pissed off? Kind of like not telling owners that they cannot bring coolers to the pool.
Think about it, WWG cannot even answer the phones for new rentals, how can you trust them to accurately manage this process? Will innocent owners now be inconvienced or even worse falsely accused?
Finally, how many owners will now buy at the Sonoran because of rules like this?
Right on!
Well now; maybe we can finally get the Owners back in the decision making process......& Dry Heave I said law abiding citizens NOT the cheaters
Hopefully sooner than later we will have a new operator (amazing I keep saying that considering we work under the wing of the current operator, strange). In the meantime I understand that renting under the table will be difficult and prevent some owners from continuing as they please. Not problem and not mine or any owners to enforce. I am sure you guys will be excited for a new rental operator considering how much you dislike the current on, hopefully wish granted soon. In any case I am glad I have helped serve as a therapist for you guys and hope that you will smile tonight and enjoy life. Love and kisses
dry heat said:Hopefully sooner than later we will have a new operator (amazing I keep saying that considering we work under the wing of the current operator, strange). In the meantime I understand that renting under the table will be difficult and prevent some owners from continuing as they please. Not problem and not mine or any owners to enforce. I am sure you guys will be excited for a new rental operator considering how much you dislike the current on, hopefully wish granted soon. In any case I am glad I have helped serve as a therapist for you guys and hope that you will smile tonight and enjoy life. Love and kisses
You are the problem. Not WWG.
But don't all these extra renters spend money at the resort...maybe rent a better unit next time etc...the bargains bring in the new blood...
dry heat said:My poor lost soul. read what the TC/SC can do 1st and let us know what it says in the mexican bylaws for these two groups.
My guess is the Operator being cut away from 2m+ in lost rental income over the last 4 years due to owners renting outside of their contact would play a key in the latest enforcement. If you want to think that the problem is owners and not WWG, then I am really working with an idiot. In any case, go ahead and continue with me, I am sure it will get a lot accomplished for you.
dry heat said:My poor lost soul. read what the TC/SC can do 1st and let us know what it says in the mexican bylaws for these two groups.
My guess is the Operator being cut away from 2m+ in lost rental income over the last 4 years due to owners renting outside of their contact would play a key in the latest enforcement. If you want to think that the problem is owners and not WWG, then I am really working with an idiot. In any case, go ahead and continue with me, I am sure it will get a lot accomplished for you.
DryHeat pay attention:
Read the following excerpt from the WWG email announcing the new 6 day rule. Notice that WWG gives full credit to their partnership with the Tourist Committee in creating this new rule. Is WWG lying or are you not taking responsibility along with your fellow owners on the TC?
Both the Tourist Committee and the acting General Manager of WWG met this past weekend to address these ongoing issues and agreed to the following recommendation that will be in effect immediately.
1) GUEST OF OWNER STAYS ARE NOW A MAXIMUM OF 6 PER MONTH: OLP will accept and give service of front desk, keys, phone, cleaning and towels to a maximum of 6 nights per condominium per month, not exceeding 48 nights per year.
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Curios George,Ernesto,Doc Howard etc.... Hey you guys should come down to Santo Tomas..get a small place built on a large lot for a fair price from honest guys...rent a big place when extra people visit...orange groves,fields of produce,grapes and olive trees...empty beaches and great sport fishing just down the coast...I think your dad can stay in your house as long as you can handle him too!
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https://picasaweb.google.com/corvidsupply/LasDunasSantoTomasMexico#
curiousgeorge said:You are the problem. Not WWG.
Ok
jerry said:But don't all these extra renters spend money at the resort...maybe rent a better unit next time etc...the bargains bring in the new blood...
Yes, however the answer is more complicated. non rental guests may spend at restaurants and pool bars. However, the income that could be coming in to the operator would help the operator produce a better product (ex. open up more restaurants, pay for improvements or updates, contribute more to the HOA in the form of rental impact fees.
I have not heard of a resort that allows individual owners to bypass the rental operator. That would be a logistic nighmare with 400+ unique rental operations setting their own pricing, standards, etc. I see why no other resort allows it, why would Las Palomas start?
The approved pricing owners can give is already lower than the other resorts along sandy beach, so I don't think pricing is a problem.
curiousgeorge said:DryHeat pay attention:
Read the following excerpt from the WWG email announcing the new 6 day rule. Notice that WWG gives full credit to their partnership with the Tourist Committee in creating this new rule. Is WWG lying or are you not taking responsibility along with your fellow owners on the TC?
Both the Tourist Committee and the acting General Manager of WWG met this past weekend to address these ongoing issues and agreed to the following recommendation that will be in effect immediately.
1) GUEST OF OWNER STAYS ARE NOW A MAXIMUM OF 6 PER MONTH: OLP will accept and give service of front desk, keys, phone, cleaning and towels to a maximum of 6 nights per condominium per month, not exceeding 48 nights per year.
Oh curiousgeorge, you need to find out the difference between the surveillance committee and the tourist committee. research, cut and paste exactly what each does and who they represent.
How about if I do the same... George why don't you take responsibility along with your fellow owners on the TC. Do you even know who is on the TC? do you know who is on the SC?
Have I ever said I represent the TC?
So, in the end as long as this is good therapy for you I am glad to play along. Just find it a waste of time for you, but I guess you prefer to type away your concerns. whatever helps heal the pain of not being able to rent on your own.
jerry said:Curios George,Ernesto,Doc Howard etc.... Hey you guys should come down to Santo Tomas..get a small place built on a large lot for a fair price from honest guys...rent a big place when extra people visit...orange groves,fields of produce,grapes and olive trees...empty beaches and great sport fishing just down the coast...I think your dad can stay in your house as long as you can handle him too!
https://picasaweb.google.com/corvidsupply/LasDunasSantoTomasMexico#
Please, Please, Please. I am looking online to find out which god is more likely to grant wishes.
He's absolutely right,dude.You are the problem.
ernesto said:He's absolutely right,dude.You are the problem.
Awesome! we are making progress. Let it all out, you will feel much better. It's healthy not to keep things in. Next step is closure and moving on away from your problems. After that the healing begins with buying a home with no rules and regulations, a utopia for you to rent as you please, paint your house pink, or park your vehicle on the front yard. Ahhh, we can all dream.
dry heat said:Oh curiousgeorge, you need to find out the difference between the surveillance committee and the tourist committee. research, cut and paste exactly what each does and who they represent.
How about if I do the same... George why don't you take responsibility along with your fellow owners on the TC. Do you even know who is on the TC? do you know who is on the SC?
Have I ever said I represent the TC?
So, in the end as long as this is good therapy for you I am glad to play along. Just find it a waste of time for you, but I guess you prefer to type away your concerns. whatever helps heal the pain of not being able to rent on your own.
You are the master of trying to confuse things. I am VERY clear on all this.
And No you said " If you want to think that the problem is owners and not WWG". If I am not correct, the TC are the owners and they work very closely with the SC, especially the phase II SC. You know, the parts are interchangeable. Some TC members become SC members. Funny how that works.
And oh yes, I know who the SC is. All of the SC.
curiousgeorge said:You are the master of trying to confuse things. I am VERY clear on all this.
And No you said " If you want to think that the problem is owners and not WWG". If I am not correct, the TC are the owners and they work very closely with the SC, especially the phase II SC. You know, the parts are interchangeable. Some TC members become SC members. Funny how that works.
And oh yes, I know who the SC is. All of the SC.
Here is a deeper thought for you... Why would the current operator be so willing to do what owners want, when they are in the process of being replaced? Also, if I had it my way the operator would force all owners to upgrade their units to 4 diamond standards (ex. flat screen tv's, no cheap blinds, no cheap furniture). Hopefully the next operator will do something about that, unfortunately my owner powers can't get this operator to do this and remove all the units in the rental pool that are not up to par.
The rental operator can do as they please, if they say that owners supported their decision or advised with them... so be it. The enforcer and decision maker is still the rental operator, not an owner or group of owners (might sound powerful for an owner to claim otherwise, however not one or 3 people are going to make a difference to the operator). now if that 3 people turned into 400, then it would make a difference.
Here I will twist words for ya to sound like we are one "curiousgeorge and I agree that improvements need to be made with the resort". True statement huh?
No my little bumble bee, you don't know. The TC is comprised of more owners from phase 1. keep reaching
dry heat said:Here is a deeper thought for you... Why would the current operator be so willing to do what owners want, when they are in the process of being replaced? Also, if I had it my way the operator would force all owners to upgrade their units to 4 diamond standards (ex. flat screen tv's, no cheap blinds, no cheap furniture). Hopefully the next operator will do something about that, unfortunately my owner powers can't get this operator to do this and remove all the units in the rental pool that are not up to par.
The rental operator can do as they please, if they say that owners supported their decision or advised with them... so be it. The enforcer and decision maker is still the rental operator, not an owner or group of owners (might sound powerful for an owner to claim otherwise, however not one or 3 people are going to make a difference to the operator). now if that 3 people turned into 400, then it would make a difference.
Here I will twist words for ya to sound like we are one "curiousgeorge and I agree that improvements need to be made with the resort". True statement huh?
No my little bumble bee, you don't know. The TC is comprised of more owners from phase 1. keep reaching
While WWG is being replaced, they reserve the right of approval on who replace them. That answers your question.
WWG has many interests that are potentially more profitable and they need to preserve what is already there. Two years ago, all of their assets were valued at a little over $100 million. Worth less now. But they are in for the long haul.
We do agree that improvements need to be made. We may agree on more than you think. But you concede nothing....or are not listening. Mine and others concerns is that we, as owners, do not make things worse by over regulating and not focusing on the big issues. This six day rule is an assault on all owners. It is squashing a pea with a sledgehammer. And let's all be honest...it was encouraged if not driven by a small group representing the TC. This was not suggested by WWG. Once again, using a big picture view:
- How many extra cheats to you think you are going to catch with this new 6 day rule? Aren't there enough rules already in place to catch the cheats?
- how many owners, who had no problem with the other rules, are now pissed off with the SC/TC now losing credibility.
- how can you trust WWG to accurately manage this process? Will innocent owners now be inconvienced or even worse falsely accused?
Finally, how many owners will not buy resales at LP because of rules like this?
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curiousgeorge said:While WWG is being replaced, they reserve the right of approval on who replace them. That answers your question.
WWG has many interests that are potentially more profitable and they need to preserve what is already there. Two years ago, all of their assets were valued at a little over $100 million. Worth less now. But they are in for the long haul.
We do agree that improvements need to be made. We may agree on more than you think. But you concede nothing....or are not listening. Mine and others concerns is that we, as owners, do not make things worse by over regulating and not focusing on the big issues. This six day rule is an assault on all owners. It is squashing a pea with a sledgehammer. And let's all be honest...it was encouraged if not driven by a small group representing the TC. This was not suggested by WWG. Once again, using a big picture view:
- How many extra cheats to you think you are going to catch with this new 6 day rule? Aren't there enough rules already in place to catch the cheats?
- how many owners, who had no problem with the other rules, are now pissed off with the SC/TC now losing credibility.
- how can you trust WWG to accurately manage this process? Will innocent owners now be inconvienced or even worse falsely accused?
Finally, how many owners will not buy resales at LP because of rules like this?
The cheating is a lot bigger problem that just a handful of owners. I would assume that when the situation is under controlled, we would hopefully see a relaxing of regulations (just a guess or assumption)
We are in a transition period that will eventually result in a new rental operator and a new HOA administrator (the intent is to improve the product and service on both sides). example: control and lower expense on the HOA side, improve the rental experience for owners and guests on the rental side
The 6 nights per night restriction in an inconvinience and unfortunately it appears a necessaty to hopefuly fix a problem at the resort (for the current operator and the next one). As I said above, I would think that once we have a better handle on this problem (renting outside of the rental operator- by the way Las Palomas has the biggest reputation in penasco for having wild cat renting) we should hopefully see a relaxing of rules. Hopefully it is a temporary solution that takes care of a problem that will result in a better product for existing owners and potential owners.
Personally, I am more concerned over control of the operation and HOA (the 6 day thing is an inconvinience like not being able to park my boat in the garage). Just my opinion.
dry heat said:The cheating is a lot bigger problem that just a handful of owners. I would assume that when the situation is under controlled, we would hopefully see a relaxing of regulations (just a guess or assumption)
We are in a transition period that will eventually result in a new rental operator and a new HOA administrator (the intent is to improve the product and service on both sides). example: control and lower expense on the HOA side, improve the rental experience for owners and guests on the rental side
The 6 nights per night restriction in an inconvinience and unfortunately it appears a necessaty to hopefuly fix a problem at the resort (for the current operator and the next one). As I said above, I would think that once we have a better handle on this problem (renting outside of the rental operator- by the way Las Palomas has the biggest reputation in penasco for having wild cat renting) we should hopefully see a relaxing of rules. Hopefully it is a temporary solution that takes care of a problem that will result in a better product for existing owners and potential owners.
Personally, I am more concerned over control of the operation and HOA (the 6 day thing is an inconvinience like not being able to park my boat in the garage). Just my opinion.
Unfortunately, rules rarely ever relax, if policy is not reversed, this will only embolden those in charge (in the case the joint WWG/TC team) to take things further when this ultimately does not achieve the results desired.
This is a BIG issue for many owners, not just an inconvenience. I suppose it is a matter of perspective. The TC and SC are filled with owners who own multiple units, both in LP and around RP. It does not really concern them to limit owners rights to use their own purchased condos. They have no intention to use their own unit anyhow. They bought them to make money. The sooner LP becomes a Hotel, the better.
You like to lecture folks on their thought process when they bought their condos. Perhaps, those owners that bought into a 5 star HOTEL concept should have realized that RP does not need daily maid service. The HOTEL model will not work in RP. LP does need owners that are willing to subsidize the management company by carrying their units through the 5 dead months. And now you are telling owners that they are limited in how they can use their own condos when they are not rented.
Hopefully, this assault on owners rights becomes the tipping point......
Over 1000 views yesterday alone.
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I still don't see how renting to friends or family is a problem.Those people spend money and most likely wouldn't have come if they were not friends and family.More people drinking overpriced beer at the pool is good for the company.....
I would guess cheats are a problem at most resorts like ours. I'm sure that the cheats feel justified because they were not getting paid but cheating hurts everyone. If asking, demanding or threatening doesn't work to stop the cheats then the only thing to do is put more restrictions on everyone. If there were no cheats there would be no need for more restrictions. The problem is the cheats and how to stop them. Why don't the owners ban together and establish a system to report cheats. People at the pool and bar always want to talk about the great deal they got and are willing to tell you everything. At the Sea I have turned in units when I hear from someone "my friend got the unit at a discount but we had to pay cash" or "I found it online and rented directly from the owner". Owners who cheat at LP or anywhere else hurts everyone who rents.
Geez Louise! I'm gone for a couple of days with minor surgery and I see all of this! I'm so glad I'm simple trailer trash! All my friends have keys and they can stay there any time they want! Such a headache with all the coop stuff! PP is suppised to be fun........... What a cooper's headache!
curiousgeorge;36512.................Over 1000 views yesterday alone.[/QUOTE said:
Well, hopefully most of those 1000 viewers are owners at Las Palomas and they start doing something about owners getting together to find a resolution that will work for all, instead of having a small group of owners that are trying to do something and get thrown against the wall 'cause those other owners that are not participating in the SC/TC only complain or whine but do not get involve as they should.
Dry Heat might be a jerk or pompouse arss but it seems he is looking for HIS bottom line and not yours, your bottom line is YOUR responsibility.
As for me, no HOA or condo style living, I like making my own rules within MY 4 walls, good luck to all of you that did not took due diligence and find themselves in a mess they did not ask for but did not search enough to avoid!!
Lets go seco...how about all them adds on C list they say they are in the rental pool say for $150 weekends per night who gets what percent of the pie..in a perfect world!
playaperro said:Lets go seco...how about all them adds on C list they say they are in the rental pool say for $150 weekends per night who gets what percent of the pie..in a perfect world!
I would suggest you save your pesos 1st to see if you can afford a condo. Then, contact the resort you are interested in and find out from them how their rental operations works when it comes to management fee's. Any of the resorts in penasco will be able to answer your questions regarding renting a unit and how it works.
Best of luck, at least you won't have to sell as many chiclets and cigars on the beach since prices have decreased over the last few years.
Ok what i still don't see is how making the condos less attractive to future buyers helps owners of multiple condos.It seems they lose the most.Maybe going after the repeat renters of sub-par units by posting pictures of how bad they are would do more good than all this Stalinist police stuff.Hey just picture the cast of the Jersey Shore puking all over one of these places makes me not want to rent one.
jerry said:Ok what i still don't see is how making the condos less attractive to future buyers helps owners of multiple condos.It seems they lose the most.Maybe going after the repeat renters of sub-par units by posting pictures of how bad they are would do more good than all this Stalinist police stuff.Hey just picture the cast of the Jersey Shore puking all over one of these places makes me not want to rent one.
I would look at it more as "stop the bleeding" 1st. the renting of units outside of the rental operator has been a problem at Las Palomas for 4 years (1st the rental operator did not enforce, then they had financial problems). Since the resort is in a state of transition, it appears that certain actions are needed immediately in order to fix a huge problem 1st (Las Palomas get's plenty of complaints from other resorts and other operators for not enforcing their rental regulations- the problem has affected other resorts too). Drastic measure are sometimes needed in the interim in order to clean things up and improve moving forward. Hopefully a lot of these measure will be adjusted once the main problem has been resolved. No rental operator is going to take over the business at Las Palomas with the current situation (many have been interviewed- those in penasco and those that are international operations). I do like the idea of posting sub-par units and having a rating system for quality of individual units (something that a new operator would have to put in place.
dry heat said:I would suggest you save your pesos 1st to see if you can afford a condo. Then, contact the resort you are interested in and find out from them how their rental operations works when it comes to management fee's. Any of the resorts in penasco will be able to answer your questions regarding renting a unit and how it works.
Best of luck, at least you won't have to sell as many chiclets and cigars on the beach since prices have decreased over the last few years.
Good Luck With That!
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playaperro said:with pricks like u running the show they will be down to 50k in a matter of no time...
Ahhhh, don't get sensative on us now. You are one of the loudest barkers on here... and my words hurt your feelings (no cursing or threats)?? Funny how I offend others here who use much harsher language (maybe cursing and threats have lost their meaning from being overused so much).
I really do hope you can save up your pesos to buy a condo (if you want a rental property). I am sure you can find a condo under 100k. I say get the whole family involved on the beach (hair braiding on the beach, massage on the beach, selling those neat little grains of rice with your name on them). In no time you will have saved enough for your rental condo. I am glad you have an interest in the rental business. I wish you the best of luck!
Now don't get emotional on me amigo.
Whatever dork Now i know why there is like 200 rentals on c list they want a return on their investment
playaperro said:Whatever dork Now i know why there is like 200 rentals on c list they want a return on their investment
My friend, C list has thousands of rentals. A lot of rental operators will allow owners to self market, plus a lot of rental operators also list their units on C list. I do appreciate your insighful research though.
Global Warming.............
Terry C said:Global Warming.............
You mean climate change don't you Terry?
I tried to find your place, :? but I couldn't find the ugly house where to turn.
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WHAT, I have you turn by turn directions Kenny, it's the 25,000 sq ft one remmeber? LOL , I'll draw you a map next time.
Terry C said:WHAT, I have you turn by turn directions Kenny, it's the 25,000 sq ft one remmeber? LOL , I'll draw you a map next time.
OH MAN! I thought you said 250,000 sq ft.