The Elephant in the Room...THE WALL

I have been friends with a "married couple" both from Mexico that live here illegally for 15 years.....she cleans houses etc for cash only, he works under her brothers name.....he pays income taxes on the payroll he collects, everyone pays sales taxes on all commercial goods bought. Here's the problem, they rent houses for cash(I assume the owner of the house is not reporting any rental income on the house)only buy old used cars(no taxes), they have 5 kids and somehow has been on State aide for as long as I have known them(food stamps, health care for kids and mom)

The list goes on, All money I earn get taxes of near 50% in the end, I pay $800 per month for my family's health insurance policy(+5k deductible yearly) so my $14,600 in health insurance every year pays for illegal immigrants to walk into the hospital and not pay a dime.....so in 10 years I've spent almost $150,000 in health care and they have been given coverage valued at $175,000 both out of the same "honey jar" sort to speak...

Now let's all be human these are good people with beautiful children and a great family I say let them stay but let's make a tax penalty for all the years of residence, nothing ridiculous only maybe $1000 per year spent here illegally.
 

jerry

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Think you are wrong about the insurance for the parents but if the kids are born here they are as American as we are...and deserve healthcare,education,food stamps etc.
 

Beach Sand

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Think you are wrong about the insurance for the parents but if the kids are born here they are as American as we are...and deserve healthcare,education,food stamps etc.
Wrong! They are not as American as most of us. They all still act as if Mexico is as good as sliced bread and refuse to support America. If Mexico is so great why leave and freeload from the people that make America great?
 

jerry

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Fuck you to asshole
Thirty years in the construction industry making some great buildings ( first rammed earth in a Tucson subdivision,double Adobe Haciendas,modernist dreams/nightmares stepping down 6 tiers of hillside,first steel frame McMansion ,Tucson mountain cliff side builds, complex panic rooms across the county ,early Rastra and Sip homes too.) I never could have gotten anything done without Mexicans.Some came skilled with hard earned south Tucson based multi generational nurtured skill sets and some that came here knowing nothing but fearless and willing to learn.Many of them now have their own businesses in the trades.I gave the same opportunities to Anglo guys but until the new generation got into concrete counters and did well it was mostly the Mexicans that put the hard work in to create their own thing. It also was Mexican immigrants that saved my projects time after time....heat,injury,long hours,hangovers,ready to kick ass if needed ...these guys were always there....I still like Anthony's comment on Mexican workers....."Despite our ridiculously hypocritical attitudes towards immigration, we demand that Mexicans cook a large percentage of the food we eat, grow the ingredients we need to make that food, clean our houses, mow our lawns, wash our dishes, look after our children. As any chef will tell you, our entire service economy—the restaurant business as we know it—in most American cities, would collapse overnight without Mexican workers. Some, of course, like to claim that Mexicans are "stealing American jobs". But in two decades as a chef and employer, I never had ONE American kid walk in my door and apply for a dishwashing job, a porter's position—or even a job as prep cook. Mexicans do much of the work in this country that Americans, provably, simply won't do."
 

Beach Sand

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Thirty years in the construction industry making some great buildings ( first rammed earth in a Tucson subdivision,double Adobe Haciendas,modernist dreams/nightmares stepping down 6 tiers of hillside,first steel frame McMansion ,Tucson mountain cliff side builds, complex panic rooms across the county ,early Rastra and Sip homes too.) I never could have gotten anything done without Mexicans.Some came skilled with hard earned south Tucson based multi generational nurtured skill sets and some that came here knowing nothing but fearless and willing to learn.Many of them now have their own businesses in the trades.I gave the same opportunities to Anglo guys but until the new generation got into concrete counters and did well it was mostly the Mexicans that put the hard work in to create their own thing. It also was Mexican immigrants that saved my projects time after time....heat,injury,long hours,hangovers,ready to kick ass if needed ...these guys were always there....I still like Anthony's comment on Mexican workers....."Despite our ridiculously hypocritical attitudes towards immigration, we demand that Mexicans cook a large percentage of the food we eat, grow the ingredients we need to make that food, clean our houses, mow our lawns, wash our dishes, look after our children. As any chef will tell you, our entire service economy—the restaurant business as we know it—in most American cities, would collapse overnight without Mexican workers. Some, of course, like to claim that Mexicans are "stealing American jobs". But in two decades as a chef and employer, I never had ONE American kid walk in my door and apply for a dishwashing job, a porter's position—or even a job as prep cook. Mexicans do much of the work in this country that Americans, provably, simply won't do."
You just keep believing that crap. One thing about it, no one can tell you anything, because your mouth never stops moving Mr. Know it all.
 

jerry

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You just keep believing that crap. One thing about it, no one can tell you anything, because your mouth never stops moving Mr. Know it all.
You need to travel more...seeing how well Mexicans blend in to our society compared to say the refugees flowing into Europe thanks to our failed wars in the mideast is obvious if you want to look.
 

Bob Oso

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Thirty years in the construction industry making some great buildings ( first rammed earth in a Tucson subdivision,double Adobe Haciendas,modernist dreams/nightmares stepping down 6 tiers of hillside,first steel frame McMansion ,Tucson mountain cliff side builds, complex panic rooms across the county ,early Rastra and Sip homes too.) I never could have gotten anything done without Mexicans.Some came skilled with hard earned south Tucson based multi generational nurtured skill sets and some that came here knowing nothing but fearless and willing to learn.Many of them now have their own businesses in the trades.I gave the same opportunities to Anglo guys but until the new generation got into concrete counters and did well it was mostly the Mexicans that put the hard work in to create their own thing. It also was Mexican immigrants that saved my projects time after time....heat,injury,long hours,hangovers,ready to kick ass if needed ...these guys were always there....I still like Anthony's comment on Mexican workers....."Despite our ridiculously hypocritical attitudes towards immigration, we demand that Mexicans cook a large percentage of the food we eat, grow the ingredients we need to make that food, clean our houses, mow our lawns, wash our dishes, look after our children. As any chef will tell you, our entire service economy—the restaurant business as we know it—in most American cities, would collapse overnight without Mexican workers. Some, of course, like to claim that Mexicans are "stealing American jobs". But in two decades as a chef and employer, I never had ONE American kid walk in my door and apply for a dishwashing job, a porter's position—or even a job as prep cook. Mexicans do much of the work in this country that Americans, provably, simply won't do."
So what about withholding taxes from their paychecks? Under the table pay was certainly know to happen, but for all your praises, you're no better than exploiting them for your own greed. Not to mention stiffing the people who do pay their fair share in taxes.
 

brokenwave

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Mexican's from south of the border aren't the only ones taking advantage of the system.

Unfortunately 25-30% of the transactions in the US economy are cash only. There are so many different nationalities doing this. A lot of white people taking advantage of the $$ system too.
I have known white's, black's, Puerto Ricans a couple of Asians who do cash only, rent cash only and collect welfare, food stamps, Medicaid and SS disability (after working long enough in the system).

Taking advantage of the free $$ available to help the poor has become a lifestyle for many not so poor, looking to be poor, but are only interested in scamming the system.
 

jerry

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Mexican's from south of the border aren't the only ones taking advantage of the system.

Unfortunately 25-30% of the transactions in the US economy are cash only. There are so many different nationalities doing this. A lot of white people taking advantage of the $$ system too.
I have known white's, black's, Puerto Ricans a couple of Asians who do cash only, rent cash only and collect welfare, food stamps, Medicaid and SS disability (after working long enough in the system).

Taking advantage of the free $$ available to help the poor has become a lifestyle for many not so poor, looking to be poor, but are only interested in scamming the system.
Still I would argue the underground cash economy might be good for the country....fluid,fast moving,gap filling raw capitalism that can be shut down when it gets out of hand....I need to study it...
 

jerry

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So what about withholding taxes from their paychecks? Under the table pay was certainly know to happen, but for all your praises, you're no better than exploiting them for your own greed. Not to mention stiffing the people who do pay their fair share in taxes.
I did pay taxes...some were born here and some used fake social security numbers at first I believe.then bit by bit got green cards or citizenship...they never recoup those payments...go right to the treasury
 
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