Ultra low sulphur diesel

Hey, just wondered if they have the ulsd in mexico. I'm heading to Sancarlos in Feb. Also how about in rocky Point. Thanks Leigh
 
Only one diesel flavor available in RP and it is not the ultra low version.

My 2011 F-350 4x4 Dually runs just fine on it. I do know that I use twice as much DEF when running on Mexi-diesel.

JJ
 
JJ,your truck runs fine? Does it also run fine if you aren't towing anything. I heard if you a towing a load it will run ok but, if you aren't it won't run to well. Thanks Leigh
 
Sprinkle...............

My F-350 is mostly a tow truck. I tow my boat and its thirty five foot three axle trailer that weighs in around eighty five hundred pounds back and forth to RP. I tow a thirty foot car hauler loaded with a Jeep or two as well. The truck doesn't seem to mind being loaded or not as it will pull those trailers at an easy 90 mph. As I said above the only thing notable is the DEF usage when I use Mexi-diesel.

I did ask the Ford dealer when I got the truck about the ultra low sulfur diesel requirement since they don't have it in Mehico. They were dumbfounded as usual. So it's like this truck that is almost all assembled in Mehico yet can't operate on Mexican diesel?

They were still dumbfounded as usual.

So it's been back and forth at least forty times in seven years and always topped off at the Pemex in Mirador when I head home. No problemas to date other than when the rear driveshaft broke at the transfer case and knocked a hole in the floor big enough to put your fist through as I was going over the Gila River bridge on the 85 in the middle of the night. I thought that I had been hit by an RPG! Found out at the dealer in PHX that the four u-joint bolts had never been properly torqued and marked with a safety paint stripe. That event cost me $14.95 for four new bolts and nuts and Ford paid for the three hundred dollar tow.

JJ
 

YumaJames

Guest
I've got a 2015 Ford F250 Diesel and drive it to Rocky Point and down Baja. I've read countless articles and information about this online and on a few different forums. Long long story short here's what I've gathered from all this info:
1. The diesel fuel in Mexico is not "bad". (but it is NOT necessarily ULSD). ULSD is not available in RP or southern Baja.
2. Burning the wrong type of diesel in the newer vehicles will not damage your engine. But it does have the potential to affect how your computer reads your exhaust emissions.
3. If you are pulling a load there is less potential for the computer to incorrectly read the exhaust emissions. If you are running empty that's not good.
4. If you are not burning ULSD and your vehicle's computer puts your truck into limp mode, it is protecting your engine, but there is a very high potential the Ford dealers in Mexico will not have the equipment available to reset your computer to get you out of limp mode. There are articles on the internet of people who have pulled their RV's down to southern Baja and were not using ULSD once they got into southern Baja (none available). While they were pulling a load they were OK. Once they got to their destination, unhooked, and ran empty, their truck went into limp mode. The Ford dealers in southern Baja did not have the equipment to take them out of limp mode, and the customer had to pay to get the equipment down (US Ford would not help them out in southern Baja). Once they got back to the US Ford DID NOT honor their warranty.
5. Older diesels are OK (I do not remember the exact year the cutoff is). Later model diesels with computers are potentially affected.
6. If you are not burning ULSD in a later model diesel and have problems, it is up to the individual dealer if they will honor your warranty if they can prove through the vehicle's computer you weren't burning ULSD. My opinion is there is a high potential they will not honor your warranty.

I know, most people say just mount an extra fuel tank in the box. Correct. But it sucks when you want that space to haul 4 wheel toys, etc.

Agree/disagree with me, that's OK. I am not a diesel mechanic.This is just my summation from what I've read online.
 
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Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
I've got a 2015 Ford F250 Diesel and drive it to Rocky Point and down Baja. I've read countless articles and information about this online and on a few different forums. Long long story short here's what I've gathered from all this info:
1. The diesel fuel in Mexico is not "bad". (but it is NOT necessarily ULSD). ULSD is not available in RP or southern Baja.
2. Burning the wrong type of diesel in the newer vehicles will not damage your engine. But it does have the potential to affect how your computer reads your exhaust emissions.
3. If you are pulling a load there is less potential for the computer to incorrectly read the exhaust emissions. If you are running empty that's not good.
4. If you are not burning ULSD and your vehicle's computer puts your truck into limp mode, it is protecting your engine, but there is a very high potential the Ford dealers in Mexico will not have the equipment available to reset your computer to get you out of limp mode. There are articles on the internet of people who have pulled their RV's down to southern Baja and were not using ULSD once they got into southern Baja (none available). While they were pulling a load they were OK. Once they got to their destination, unhooked, and ran empty, their truck went into limp mode. The Ford dealers in southern Baja did not have the equipment to take them out of limp mode, and the customer had to pay to get the equipment down (US Ford would not help them out in southern Baja). Once they got back to the US Ford DID NOT honor their warranty.
5. Older diesels are OK (I do not remember the exact year the cutoff is). Later model diesels with computers are potentially affected.
6. If you are not burning ULSD in a later model diesel and have problems, it is up to the individual dealer if they will honor your warranty if they can prove through the vehicle's computer you weren't burning ULSD. My opinion is there is a high potential they will not honor your warranty.

I know, most people say just mount an extra fuel tank in the box. Correct. But it sucks when you want that space to haul 4 wheel toys, etc.

Agree/disagree with me, that's OK. I am not a diesel mechanic.This is just my summation from what I've read online.
And therein lies the problem. Audi has a 100 gallon stainless fuel tank mounted in the bed of his truck and has been turned around at the border when it's been full. He had to sell it for a buck or so a gallon to empty the tank before he could cross. Apparently a big no-no to bring fuel across the border. I know guys with toys with fuel jugs and such on their trailers have encountered problems as well.

My old 7.3 F-250 loved PEMEX diesel. I recently got a 2017 6.7 F-250 and haven't had that south of the border yet, but have considered the same issues with ULSD. My thought was to fill as soon as I cross the border (or in Why) and I'd have enough range to get to Penasco and back without filling the entire tank with non-ULSD. Obviously, on a longer trip, like to San Carlos or Baja, your going to have to eventually fill with it.

I think it's ridiculous. Thanks EPA for setting a ridiculous standard that can't be met anywhere else in the world.
 

YumaJames

Guest
It'll probably take a year or two, but as Mexico privatizes its fuel stations hopefully ULSD will become more readily available.
 

GV Jack

Snorin God
My experience...last August. Filled up at Why, Texaco and after about 40 miles the service engine light came on.

Drove around RP for three days with it on. Put in some at Pemex on the way out anf the light went out. Got to Why and
filled up at the casino and after 20+ miles or so the light came back on. Got to Green Valley put in a can of Octane Boost
and the light has been out ever since. Just ayin....

By the way, because of age, health and cost, unfortunately and with regret, that will most likely be my last trip to RP.

It's been a great ride, super fun and a great chance to meet some great folks, both Mexican and Gringos. Adios.
 

YumaJames

Guest
(Copied this from a Baja forum)

Update Regarding Diesel Fuel in Mexico - September 27, 2017
The Mexico Snowbird Season for 2017/18 is fast approaching, so here is an update regarding sulfur levels in Mexican diesel fuel and the potential for negative impacts on late model diesels. Please note that I am not a Pemex employee, so I can not guarantee that information provided by Pemex about the availability of ULSD is completely reliable, but lab testing of some random fuel samples, and data from diesel owners driving in Mexico, does appear to confirm the latest Pemex information.
Several things have become abundantly clear over the 10+ years since I first began researching this topic and started collecting data from owners of a wide range of diesel powered vehicles:
1.
All diesels up to and including the 2010 model year, irrespective of manufacturer or vehicle type, have no significant problems from the use of higher sulfur Mexican diesel fuel (LSD). The most noticeable “symptom”, only apparent on 2007.5 through 2010 model years, MIGHT be occasional blue smokey exhaust during regeneration cycles. (Regeneration cycles burn soot out of the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) from time to time, and blue smoke can occur when sulfur deposits are mixed with the soot). The majority of owners though will not even see blue smokey regenerations, so will be unaware whether or not their vehicles are burning Mexican diesel.
IN SUMMARY: If you own a diesel vehicle of any model year prior to 2011 you can use Mexican diesel fuel without taking any special precautions.
2.
There is a POTENTIAL for 2011 and later diesel vehicles, the ones that use Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF), to experience problems while using Mexican LSD. (Dodge RAMs of 2013 and later model years fall into this category.
Within this group:
(a)
CLASS A MOTORHOMES:
I have never received a report of any Class A diesel pusher motorhome having any type of sulfur-in-fuel related problem. This is probably because these vehicles are very heavy, which keeps exhaust gas temperatures elevated, discouraging sulfur compounds from settling out in the exhaust/emissions system. In addition, their exhaust systems are relatively short, so they heat up quickly and stay hot, again discouraging the deposit of sulfur compounds that could interfere with the functioning of the emissions system.
IN SUMMARY: Based on all of the data available at this time, Class A diesel pushers have no negative reactions to the use of Mexican LSD
(b)
SPRINTERS:
Sprinters are a very large sub-group of motorhomes that are commonly seen in Mexico. They are relatively heavy for their size, so their exhaust/emissions systems stay hot, which discourages sulfur deposits. However, I have two verified reports of post-2010 Sprinters going in to modes where the number of starts is being restricted, with warnings of a shutdown after those starts have been used. In both cases though the vehicles “healed” themselves, presumably after a regeneration cycle burned soot and sulfur out of the exhaust/emissions system.
Based on discussions with the owners of those Sprinters, the evidence suggests that Sprinters will not typically have any issues using Mexican LSD unless the vehicle is used for numerous short trips for shopping, restaurant visits, etc after reaching a winter destination. These short trips do not fully heat the exhaust system, which allows sulfur compounds to collect in the Selective Catalytic Reducer (SCR).
IN SUMMARY: Sprinters very rarely experience serious issues with Mexican LSD, and probably only when the vehicle is used for frequent short trips that do not fully heat the exhaust system. Owners planning to use their Sprinters for local transport once they reach their final destination should try to carry extra ULSD and use a 50/50 mixture with Mexican LSD after reaching the final destination. A 50/50 mixture of ULSD with Mexican LSD has been shown to cause no sulfur related issues across a wide range of vehicle types.
(c)
DODGE RAM PICKUPS:
Dodge RAM pickups have been the least likely diesel pickups to experience any issues with Mexican diesel fuel (LSD). The most frequently reported issue has been excessive consumption of DEF in 2013 and later models as the emissions system injects more and more DEF to compensate for the sulfur contamination of the Selective Catalytic Reducer (SCR) between regenerations.
There is, however, some uncertainty going forward because Dodge has apparently recently negotiated a settlement with the EPA over allegations of improper reporting/monitoring of emissions. It is my understanding that Dodge has agreed to correct the “problem” by reprogramming trucks during normal service visits to dealerships. What is not yet known is how the reprogrammed trucks will react to the presence of sulfur in the fuel, so Dodge owners need to be aware that there is a potential for new fuel-related problems.
IN SUMMARY: Dodge RAMS have generally been symptom free while using Mexican LSD but there is a new potential for issues because of emissions programming updates by Dodge. It may be wise for 2013 and later Dodge owners to obtain a tuner, such as the one made by Edge Products, that can force a regeneration cycle to burn sulfur out of the system. A regeneration should then be triggered if any emissions related warnings are displayed.
(d)
FORD PICKUPS:
Ford diesels generally have not exhibited any issues while using Mexican LSD, but I have three verified cases of emissions related COMPLETE SHUT DOWNS after the vehicles were used locally in Mexico for extended periods on Mexican LSD after arriving at a winter destination.
IN SUMMARY: Ford diesels are usually symptom free while using Mexican LSD but there is a potential for issues if the vehicle is driven on short trips on Mexican LSD once the winter destination has been reached. It would be wise for 2011 and later Ford owners to obtain a tuner, such as the one made by Edge Products, that can force a regeneration cycle to burn sulfur out of the system. A regeneration should then be triggered if any emissions related warnings are displayed.
(e)
DURAMAX POWERED PICKUPS (GMC and CHEVROLET):
Duramax powered diesels are the most sensitive vehicles to sulfur in Mexican fuel. They often enter speed limitation modes, and can end up in limp mode (5mph) if special precautions are not taken. (Almost as if Duramax is OVER-reporting emissions compared to other diesels). Owners of 2011 and later Duramax diesels should contact me at [email protected] if they are planning to travel in to Mexico so that I can make them aware of special precautions that need to be taken. Unfortunately, as of the time of writing, I have not become aware of any tuners available at the retail level that can trigger regenerations on Duramax diesels.
3.
HERE IS THE LATEST INFORMATION REGARDING THE AVAILABILITY OF ULSD IN MEXICO:
(a)
It is NOT POSSIBLE to determine whether fuel is ULSD or LSD by looking at it or sniffing it. The ONLY way to make a reliable determination is with a laboratory test. I have personally collected and run lab tests on samples of fuel from Mexico so I know this is true. If someone says he or she can identify the fuel type without a lab test you need to be skeptical.
(b)
The Mexican Government has set the end of 2018 as the cutoff date for Pemex to supply ULSD at every station in Mexico. If Pemex can not upgrade it's own refineries by then, it has to export the fuel produced by those refineries and import ULSD for domestic use. At this stage it appears that 3 of Pemex's refineries have already been upgraded or the upgrades are close to completion, and more are currently being worked on. As a result of the already completed upgrades, ULSD is becoming more readily available and there are now large areas and corridors where ULSD is standard.
NOTE: It is commonly the case that a station will be pumping ULSD without the knowledge of the attendants, and there will not be any label to indicate that the fuel is ULSD (UBA). Do NOT trust any claims by station attendants that they have, or have not, got ULSD (UBA) at the pumps unless they can show you the fuel manifest– they typically have NO IDEA where their fuel originates.
(c)
A contact at Pemex recently sent me a copy of the official Pemex list of stations already carrying ULSD. The list is arranged by state and then city or town within the state. I can provide that list to owners of vehicles which may be sensitive to sulfur in the fuel, specifically Duramax owners.
(d)
There is reliable evidence that there is presently ULSD at every Pemex in the Northern Baja, down to and including Jesus Maria, about 38 kms north of the border with the Southern Baja. In additon, all stations in the Yucatan are listed as having ULSD, and the main corridors running from the US Border to Mexico City are mostly stocked with ULSD.
(e)
I have received recent reports from travellers who say they have seen Gulf and Esso stations now open in Mexico, so the marketplace is presently undergoing a major transformation. As a result of these changes, I am convinced that Mexico will indeed fully convert to ULSD by the end of 2018.
Ted (Ed) White
[email protected]
September 2017
 
Stu..........

Spot on relating to hauling spare fuel. When crossing into Mexico at the San Luis Rio Colorado POE they always check out any type of fuel container and do turn you around if has any juice in it, for good reason especially now with the outrageous price of gas in Mexico. Before heading down last week I had noticed quite a flurry of activity at the last two gas stations at the north end of Yuma. Almost all were field workers heading back to Mex via Los Algodones BC. They were topping off their vehicles and having a big gaggle about something that I figured musta been political.

So comes Friday afternoon and we are doing a convoy to RP with me driving a Jeep Wrangler and the wife in the F-150 Raptor. I had two empty 5 gallon Jerry can mounted on the side of the Jeep and the border chick asked me if they had gasolina in them and did verify them as empty after removing the caps. The six cylinder TJ Wrangler is a gas hog and cannot make it to RP on a full tank from Yuma. We gas it up along with one Jerry can at the last Pemex on the east side of town and head south. The low fuel light comes on at the Laguna Shores turnoff and I pull into the Mirador Pemex to top it off. I usually pay them with a credit card and rarely do a peso to dollar crosscheck there. So anyway their CC machine is muerto and I gotta pay with cash which happens to convert to $65.00 USA! In a sixteen gallon fuel tank! That my friends is more than $3.75 a gallon! I ask the pumper dude what's up? He says that the refineries are all damaged from the hur-i-canos so gasolina is muy caro everywhere in Mehico.

So now I know why the Yuma gas stations are jammed with people heading home to Baja.

Take note of the new loose tire law now being enforced heading into Mehico. If you have a spare it must be ATTACHED TO THE VEHICLE. If it is loose in the back of your truck or trailer they will make you pay duty on it. I usually throw an extra new tire in the back of my truck for the trailer, even though it has two spares mounted on it, it's a habit from my Cub Scout training. Can't do that anymore. If you ever feel like having a genuine hoot stop at any roadside Yan-terra to get a flat fixed, be sure to have some extra cervesas and a good humor.

Someday I'll have to tell a Baja tale of using globs of wet newspaper to get the bead to seat on a 37" off-road tire while pumping like a jackass with a bicycle tire pump.

Later,

JJ
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
(Copied this from a Baja forum)

Update Regarding Diesel Fuel in Mexico - September 27, 2017
The Mexico Snowbird Season for 2017/18 is fast approaching, so here is an update regarding sulfur levels in Mexican diesel fuel and the potential for negative impacts on late model diesels. Please note that I am not a Pemex employee, so I can not guarantee that information provided by Pemex about the availability of ULSD is completely reliable, but lab testing of some random fuel samples, and data from diesel owners driving in Mexico, does appear to confirm the latest Pemex information.
Several things have become abundantly clear over the 10+ years since I first began researching this topic and started collecting data from owners of a wide range of diesel powered vehicles:
1.
All diesels up to and including the 2010 model year, irrespective of manufacturer or vehicle type, have no significant problems from the use of higher sulfur Mexican diesel fuel (LSD). The most noticeable “symptom”, only apparent on 2007.5 through 2010 model years, MIGHT be occasional blue smokey exhaust during regeneration cycles. (Regeneration cycles burn soot out of the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) from time to time, and blue smoke can occur when sulfur deposits are mixed with the soot). The majority of owners though will not even see blue smokey regenerations, so will be unaware whether or not their vehicles are burning Mexican diesel.
IN SUMMARY: If you own a diesel vehicle of any model year prior to 2011 you can use Mexican diesel fuel without taking any special precautions.
2.
There is a POTENTIAL for 2011 and later diesel vehicles, the ones that use Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF), to experience problems while using Mexican LSD. (Dodge RAMs of 2013 and later model years fall into this category.
Within this group:
(a)
CLASS A MOTORHOMES:
I have never received a report of any Class A diesel pusher motorhome having any type of sulfur-in-fuel related problem. This is probably because these vehicles are very heavy, which keeps exhaust gas temperatures elevated, discouraging sulfur compounds from settling out in the exhaust/emissions system. In addition, their exhaust systems are relatively short, so they heat up quickly and stay hot, again discouraging the deposit of sulfur compounds that could interfere with the functioning of the emissions system.
IN SUMMARY: Based on all of the data available at this time, Class A diesel pushers have no negative reactions to the use of Mexican LSD
(b)
SPRINTERS:
Sprinters are a very large sub-group of motorhomes that are commonly seen in Mexico. They are relatively heavy for their size, so their exhaust/emissions systems stay hot, which discourages sulfur deposits. However, I have two verified reports of post-2010 Sprinters going in to modes where the number of starts is being restricted, with warnings of a shutdown after those starts have been used. In both cases though the vehicles “healed” themselves, presumably after a regeneration cycle burned soot and sulfur out of the exhaust/emissions system.
Based on discussions with the owners of those Sprinters, the evidence suggests that Sprinters will not typically have any issues using Mexican LSD unless the vehicle is used for numerous short trips for shopping, restaurant visits, etc after reaching a winter destination. These short trips do not fully heat the exhaust system, which allows sulfur compounds to collect in the Selective Catalytic Reducer (SCR).
IN SUMMARY: Sprinters very rarely experience serious issues with Mexican LSD, and probably only when the vehicle is used for frequent short trips that do not fully heat the exhaust system. Owners planning to use their Sprinters for local transport once they reach their final destination should try to carry extra ULSD and use a 50/50 mixture with Mexican LSD after reaching the final destination. A 50/50 mixture of ULSD with Mexican LSD has been shown to cause no sulfur related issues across a wide range of vehicle types.
(c)
DODGE RAM PICKUPS:
Dodge RAM pickups have been the least likely diesel pickups to experience any issues with Mexican diesel fuel (LSD). The most frequently reported issue has been excessive consumption of DEF in 2013 and later models as the emissions system injects more and more DEF to compensate for the sulfur contamination of the Selective Catalytic Reducer (SCR) between regenerations.
There is, however, some uncertainty going forward because Dodge has apparently recently negotiated a settlement with the EPA over allegations of improper reporting/monitoring of emissions. It is my understanding that Dodge has agreed to correct the “problem” by reprogramming trucks during normal service visits to dealerships. What is not yet known is how the reprogrammed trucks will react to the presence of sulfur in the fuel, so Dodge owners need to be aware that there is a potential for new fuel-related problems.
IN SUMMARY: Dodge RAMS have generally been symptom free while using Mexican LSD but there is a new potential for issues because of emissions programming updates by Dodge. It may be wise for 2013 and later Dodge owners to obtain a tuner, such as the one made by Edge Products, that can force a regeneration cycle to burn sulfur out of the system. A regeneration should then be triggered if any emissions related warnings are displayed.
(d)
FORD PICKUPS:
Ford diesels generally have not exhibited any issues while using Mexican LSD, but I have three verified cases of emissions related COMPLETE SHUT DOWNS after the vehicles were used locally in Mexico for extended periods on Mexican LSD after arriving at a winter destination.
IN SUMMARY: Ford diesels are usually symptom free while using Mexican LSD but there is a potential for issues if the vehicle is driven on short trips on Mexican LSD once the winter destination has been reached. It would be wise for 2011 and later Ford owners to obtain a tuner, such as the one made by Edge Products, that can force a regeneration cycle to burn sulfur out of the system. A regeneration should then be triggered if any emissions related warnings are displayed.
(e)
DURAMAX POWERED PICKUPS (GMC and CHEVROLET):
Duramax powered diesels are the most sensitive vehicles to sulfur in Mexican fuel. They often enter speed limitation modes, and can end up in limp mode (5mph) if special precautions are not taken. (Almost as if Duramax is OVER-reporting emissions compared to other diesels). Owners of 2011 and later Duramax diesels should contact me at [email protected] if they are planning to travel in to Mexico so that I can make them aware of special precautions that need to be taken. Unfortunately, as of the time of writing, I have not become aware of any tuners available at the retail level that can trigger regenerations on Duramax diesels.
3.
HERE IS THE LATEST INFORMATION REGARDING THE AVAILABILITY OF ULSD IN MEXICO:
(a)
It is NOT POSSIBLE to determine whether fuel is ULSD or LSD by looking at it or sniffing it. The ONLY way to make a reliable determination is with a laboratory test. I have personally collected and run lab tests on samples of fuel from Mexico so I know this is true. If someone says he or she can identify the fuel type without a lab test you need to be skeptical.
(b)
The Mexican Government has set the end of 2018 as the cutoff date for Pemex to supply ULSD at every station in Mexico. If Pemex can not upgrade it's own refineries by then, it has to export the fuel produced by those refineries and import ULSD for domestic use. At this stage it appears that 3 of Pemex's refineries have already been upgraded or the upgrades are close to completion, and more are currently being worked on. As a result of the already completed upgrades, ULSD is becoming more readily available and there are now large areas and corridors where ULSD is standard.
NOTE: It is commonly the case that a station will be pumping ULSD without the knowledge of the attendants, and there will not be any label to indicate that the fuel is ULSD (UBA). Do NOT trust any claims by station attendants that they have, or have not, got ULSD (UBA) at the pumps unless they can show you the fuel manifest– they typically have NO IDEA where their fuel originates.
(c)
A contact at Pemex recently sent me a copy of the official Pemex list of stations already carrying ULSD. The list is arranged by state and then city or town within the state. I can provide that list to owners of vehicles which may be sensitive to sulfur in the fuel, specifically Duramax owners.
(d)
There is reliable evidence that there is presently ULSD at every Pemex in the Northern Baja, down to and including Jesus Maria, about 38 kms north of the border with the Southern Baja. In additon, all stations in the Yucatan are listed as having ULSD, and the main corridors running from the US Border to Mexico City are mostly stocked with ULSD.
(e)
I have received recent reports from travellers who say they have seen Gulf and Esso stations now open in Mexico, so the marketplace is presently undergoing a major transformation. As a result of these changes, I am convinced that Mexico will indeed fully convert to ULSD by the end of 2018.
Ted (Ed) White
[email protected]
September 2017
That's good to know stuff, right there! Thanks James!!!
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
My experience...last August. Filled up at Why, Texaco and after about 40 miles the service engine light came on.

Drove around RP for three days with it on. Put in some at Pemex on the way out anf the light went out. Got to Why and
filled up at the casino and after 20+ miles or so the light came back on. Got to Green Valley put in a can of Octane Boost
and the light has been out ever since. Just ayin....

By the way, because of age, health and cost, unfortunately and with regret, that will most likely be my last trip to RP.

It's been a great ride, super fun and a great chance to meet some great folks, both Mexican and Gringos. Adios.
WHAT??? No more purse fights behind Guau Guau, Jack? Jeezuz K Rice, what are we supposed to do for entertainment in Penasco? Say it isn't true.
 

GV Jack

Snorin God
WHAT??? No more purse fights behind Guau Guau, Jack? Jeezuz K Rice, what are we supposed to do for entertainment in Penasco? Say it isn't true.
Yes, Stuart, sadly the ravages of age and arthritis have rendered my left hand just about useless. Unfortunately, my purses are all left hand purses which has not only ended my purse swinging
but also my sex life. I'm sure Roberto with his beautiful gold ultra high heals will find another pruse swinger to join in the fun. I retire with the knowledge that we are undefeated.

I wonder if they have "meetings" behind Casa Hogar?
 
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