The Elephant in the Room...THE WALL

Hopefully getting out FOREVER!

Let the smelly bastards deal with their own problems that have never ended in two thousand years

JJ
 

jerry

Guest
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/world/americas/rex-tillerson-mexico-border-relations.html Big meeting today...Trump wants to get Mexico to take not only its citizens but all waiting deportation hearings that arrived via Mexico.This is a nonstarter of course but just the idea of even Mexican only refugee camps along the border will make our visits iffy in many ways we cannot yet get a clear picture of...the immigration courts are backed up and cannot deal with the numbers of deportations Obama ordered let alone the new trump net ( sort of like this..Obama deported you for driving 95 mph in a school zone in the last few years while Trump will deport you for going 60mph in a 55 zone)...remember deported 2 million people in 8 years....
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/world/americas/rex-tillerson-mexico-border-relations.html Big meeting today...Trump wants to get Mexico to take not only its citizens but all waiting deportation hearings that arrived via Mexico.This is a nonstarter of course but just the idea of even Mexican only refugee camps along the border will make our visits iffy in many ways we cannot yet get a clear picture of...the immigration courts are backed up and cannot deal with the numbers of deportations Obama ordered let alone the new trump net ( sort of like this..Obama deported you for driving 95 mph in a school zone in the last few years while Trump will deport you for going 60mph in a 55 zone)...remember deported 2 million people in 8 years....
Obama 'deported' those numbers ONLY if you count his catch at the border and turn around policy a 'deportation'. Many don't. As far as returning OTM's back to Mexico, seems fair. They came from Mexico. Why should the US incur the huge cost of flying them back to their home country? Hopefully this will become a non-issue once the huge, beautiful wall is built.
 

jerry

Guest
Obama 'deported' those numbers ONLY if you count his catch at the border and turn around policy a 'deportation'. Many don't. As far as returning OTM's back to Mexico, seems fair. They came from Mexico. Why should the US incur the huge cost of flying them back to their home country? Hopefully this will become a non-issue once the huge, beautiful wall is built.
As I said, Mexico will never go for that idea....Do you have property in Mexico?
 

easttnboater

My life's one big hootenanny!
As I said, Mexico will never go for that idea....Do you have property in Mexico?
And, by law Mexico does not have to. It is a relatively obscure portion of the law. I view it as more of a bargaining chip for the US to use.

And, no, I do not have property in Mexico. That is really not germane to the enforcement of US immigration law. I understand that it will probably have a negative effect on you personally, but that really has no bearing on the US enforcing its own laws.
 

jerry

Guest
And, by law Mexico does not have to. It is a relatively obscure portion of the law. I view it as more of a bargaining chip for the US to use.

And, no, I do not have property in Mexico. That is really not germane to the enforcement of US immigration law. I understand that it will probably have a negative effect on you personally, but that really has no bearing on the US enforcing its own laws.
The purpose of this thread is for us with ties to Sonora to share information.Maybe if you don't have these economic interests in the border regions you should start your own thread....tourist...
 

easttnboater

My life's one big hootenanny!
Not a tourist. I held a Mexican work visa for seven years. As part owner of that company I had millions of dollars of economic interests in Juarez. I am sure that I crossed the border more times in those seven years than you have in your entire life or will in the future combined.

But, you have a point about the purpose of this thread. I truly do hope that you folks continue to be able to enjoy your spot in Mexico without hassle.
 
Not a tourist. I held a Mexican work visa for seven years. As part owner of that company I had millions of dollars of economic interests in Juarez. I am sure that I crossed the border more times in those seven years than you have in your entire life or will in the future combined.

But, you have a point about the purpose of this thread. I truly do hope that you folks continue to be able to enjoy your spot in Mexico without hassle.
I hope we folks continue to enjoy our spots as well, since many of us paid big bucks to local contractors to make those spots, continue to employ local service industries to maintain and repair those spots, pay annual taxes to keep those spots, and spend lots of bucks for dining and entertainment when we visit those spots.
 

jerry

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I hope we folks continue to enjoy our spots as well, since many of us paid big bucks to local contractors to make those spots, continue to employ local service industries to maintain and repair those spots, pay annual taxes to keep those spots, and spend lots of bucks for dining and entertainment when we visit those spots.
Mexico has cards to play in this negotiation.Those decisions will be made in Mexico City which like Trump Tower is a ways from the border lands. We will end up paying in some way for this Black Swan event.....
 
Mexico has cards to play in this negotiation.Those decisions will be made in Mexico City which like Trump Tower is a ways from the border lands. We will end up paying in some way for this Black Swan event.....
Oh well -- It's their tourism industry to build or destroy.
 

jerry

Guest
Oh well -- It's their tourism industry to build or destroy.
But all along the border individuals, businesses,corporations are getting involv d....making the point that regardless of the wall....the deportations and the changes in trade rules will hurt us economically in Southern Az and Northern Mexico. Gus Brown has huge projects on the table that are sitting till his team sees how this plays out...massive desalination plant,a solar farm,huge sea world type park,creation of a canal system....Homeport of course......
 
Just a lot of jockeying going on between USA and Mexico, IMHO.

Until the day comes when there is a local family living in my Cholla house, I won't worry about it.

I try not to listen to the Orange ones bluster, but it makes for insane late night comedy.

It's pretty much all un-wanted noise from the capitol of crazies.
AKA, Wash. DC, Dem's or Republican it's still just Noise.

Jerry, I'm real curious where Gus/SBR came upon $$ for these projects other than what was possibly funneled from the Cruise Port fiasco.
 
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