Man Die's Clam Diving

AZ ROB

Guest
Desperate people will risk it all to provide food for the family. I have seen many of these panga boats with the "Harbor Freight" gas powered compressor and home built tanks made from beer kegs. I am sure by the ones I have talked to over by JJ's they aren't going more than 60' deep so coming up from that depth even after being down for 2-3 hours wouldn't kill the diver if they didn't try to hold the last breath on the way up. This is a training issue for sure but I have talked to 2 diffrent divers in the last 6 months who both complained of headaches. This would lead me to bet that it is a carbon monoxide problem and not a diving problem. I would like to see a blood gas composition from one of these divers to find out what the oxygen level compared to carbon monoxide is. This could answer alot of questions. Has anyone thought to instruct them to add 6 foot piece of pvc pipe to the intake of the compressor to only pump "fresh" air and not exhaust? I would be more than willing to bring the diagrams and help install one. Not rocket science but more to the point of bad air in = very bad air out.
 

jerry

Guest
Tyler Tools has some great deals on refurbished Hitachi and Makita compressors,,,hmmm time to get the old 20 ft. Werner ladder out and start smuggling them into mexico over that dumbass wall
 

AZ ROB

Guest
Jerry a good a-frame ladder would help support a fresh air intake for the compressor 6' a-frame ladder + 6' 2" dia pvc plastic pipe + wire ties and duct tape
= no carbon monoxide in clam divers. Then start teaching tables.. On a side note there seems to be atleast 3 people on a boat why aren't they sharing time under water? Seems odd 1 person is taking the risk and the other 2 are helping unload the catch. 3 2 hour shifts would be safer than 1 6 hour shift?
 

El Gato

Guest
Just read today's (Aug 7th) Numero Uno and they were reporting a 24 year old man who died while diving - is this a new death or are they reporting on the previous one? Seemed like they were reporting another death.
 
Even a short pipe attached to the exhaust and leading away from the compressor intake would be better than what they have now!

I can't see the "macho" types putting up a 6 ft. intake pipe.....
 

MIRAMAR

Guest
I think it's been 4 divers drown: 17 year old from Penasco, 24 year old from Michoacan, 22 year old from Hermosillo, and a 40-45 year old from Sinaloa. Very sad, and 4 divers too many. I don't remember hearing about this type of accident in years past.
 

jerry

Guest
Think I'll take my cookie cutter and spear some rays next time and make some jumbo scallops to do my part to save the divers and the scallops.The muscle fibers in a real scallop will be different than those in a ray or shark. When you eat a scallop, you are eating the adductor muscle which is striated. This is the muscle used to control the shells and it is very powerful. The fibers in this muscle always run lengthwise. If you take a fork (or fingers) you can easily pull apart this muscle. It should seperate like string cheese, leaving chunks that have split cleanly down the long axis. The ray and shark meat won't behave this way with the same manipulation.
 

lagrimas85

AKA Carnac
Every story has it that these divers are clammers. Almeja... clam.

An oyster is an "ostion" so we know that it is not oyster diving.

A scallop is a very different bivalve, it actuallly can swim. Scallops use their muscle and shell as it opens and closes (walking like a scalloping drunk). A scallop in spanish it is called a "vieira". Not once have I heard a Rocky point local call what they are diving for a vieira.

http://www.google.com/search?q=vieiras&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=zrdNTtz5AsGosQKngMXVBg&ved=0CEcQsAQ&biw=943&bih=482

So do PP neses have a generic term for clams and scallops? All scallops have the little wings at the joint (Shell logo). A scallop is not a clam.

I love PP clams, (and scallops in the coctails served at the malecon) can not remember what they called them..... frutos del mar~

so my question to RPneses, what do you call a clam,
what do you call an oyster ... and
what do you call a scallop?
Almeja, ostion,callo pronounced cayo
 

lagrimas85

AKA Carnac
Mono, gracias for the explanation. $ is in callos.... 7.50 pound for the bay scallops... so about $7,500 a trip, retail ~ $2,500 a day wholesale in merchandise, $700 - 1,000 expenses,.... easy 1,500 $ per panga... per day.
Thats probably close. I think most of the catch goes to Asia. In San Felipe my neighbor buys fish and shellfish, during the day and has a driver run the load to Ensenada during the night, for shipment to Japan. I am sure most of the catch from RP goes there also. There are several houses in Rp that have been equipped to process the chocolatas for export. Also alot of boats are going out for the big sea snails, there is a piece of land near my house that is completely covered in snail shells probably 4 or 5 feet deep, this just happened.
 
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playaperro

El Pirata
Update

URGENT MEETING OF AUTHORITIES FOR MODERATE TO DIVERS IN ROCKY POINT


The community of the United States begins to spread the word that does not buy the clam and snail Peñasco because people are dying out

By: Ivan Bravo
PTO. Penasco, SON.

Given the alarming deaths of divers engaged in clam capture flying and fishing in Puerto Peñasco, municipal authorities, Sector Naval divers and the health sector specialists, carried out an urgent meeting with the purpose of regulating and develop fishing regulations which will work only to certified divers.
They revealed that in this year of 2011 have recorded a total of 10 divers who have decompression when performing the gear of the 4 have died not knowing the minimum standards Security to develop the exploitation of the activity, such as: uncontrolled promotion, lack of attention to the international diving boards and equipment inadequate and in disrepair.
Meanwhile, Daniel and Erika Güemes Reyna, certified divers and experts in the field , spoke about the needs that exist and the lack of awareness on the exploitation of this activity, while advancing the training of health sector to cope with this problem.
"There are many things that are conjugate between the lack of preparation, equipment could be added if we do not solve the medical personnel matter at the time with or misdiagnosed, it can give, we are not free, we must minimize the impact each person doing their job, "said Erika Reyna.
He added that the Fishing is regulated product, which you can fish and which is in close season, but the law of fishing is not regulated as it is extracted, is the problem, "as regulated as it is not removed, hence the problem, there is no authority you diving certification requires an angler so you can do there this disparity and is causing us much trouble. "
He said the nurse also, already in the community of the United States begins to spread the word that no purchase clam and snail Peñasco because people are dying out, globally we have a death rate in divers is -. 06 percent, and Cliff are above average, "explained
the other hand, Fernando Sosa Diaz, commander of the Naval Sector Rocky Point, said that already implemented in the community of Cholla inspection and surveillance operations in the pangas and equipment used by the fishermen is in optimal conditions, so in recent days refused access to the sea more than 5 boats and rescued 7 people on the coasts of this port.
We have had meetings with the riverine fishermen cooperatives, with the divers, and has emphasized the application of the procedures ensure the safety of life at sea by applying the rule that is inscribed in the law, and we also have a search and rescue station that has saved many people in the week we had 7 people rescued, "he said.
On hand, the various authorities present proposed the creation of a council to raise awareness of divers and dedicated to the arts of fishing, so agreed to meet next Wednesday August 31 at 11:00 am H. facilities City Council.
Finally, the city clerk agreed to submit to council regulations for regulating the exploitation of this fishery to avoid safeguard human life and to continue to generate such problems
 

Roberto

Guest
There is a hyperbaric chamber that I think they try to use in treatment. Don't know aout a decompression chamber. Don't think so.
 

AZ ROB

Guest
  1. As a Decompression Chamber- This is a hyperbaric chamber used by surface-supplied divers (commercial divers mostly) to make their decompression stops.
  2. As Recompression chamber- A hyperbaric chamber is used to treat or prevent patients suffering from decompression sickness.
 

playaperro

El Pirata
Shrimper Boats Will Remove Clam Depots!

RISE IN SEPTEMBER VEDA SHRIMP
Reprint

Press Release

From 6:00 am on September 7 for shore fishermen, and same time of September 20, for deep-sea fishermen, will begin the catch of shrimp season 2011 in the Sonoran coast, said Fernando Miranda Blanco.
The Delegate of SAGARPA in Sonora, announced the dates established by the federal fisheries in the National Committee meeting held in Veda Mexico City, with the assistance of the deputy representative of Fisheries, José Luis Moreno Gomez and representatives of Pacific coast fisheries.
He said, based on the results of the studies presented by the National Fisheries Institute (INAPESCA) to the General Directorate of Fisheries Conapesca and industry leaders to lift the ban was agreed on dates close to last season as the analysis of structure, size and reproduction of the species reveals that the crustacean is in optimum condition for exploitation.
"There are references that production comes with good volumes, a good job of inspection and surveillance population ensures good this season and favorable market conditions exist. The feast of shrimp will have it in about two weeks, when asked on the coastal sea, "said Fernando Miranda Blanco.
He also noted that during the closed season was implemented in 2011 Sonora Strategic Action Program Inspection and Monitoring with a federal investment of 8.9 billion pesos in 7 camps terrestrial and marine camps 9 divided into three areas, to conserve, protect and maintain populations of different species of major commercial importance.
Miranda White also highlighted actions that SAGARPA, through CONAPESCA, conducted this year to train and sensitize fishermen offshore in the proper use of turtle excluder devices (TED's), with the delivery of workshops.
participated in these workshops, representatives of the fisheries offshore of Guaymas, Huatabampo and Puerto Peñasco, with the assistance of more than 50 boat captains, crew, netters and shipowners themselves.
In order to avoid sanctions from the U.S. authorities and maintain certification of shrimp in height to one of its main buyers, the period 2010 -2011 National Fisheries Commission carried out inspections at 906 thousand boats and up 7 minutes, while in the 2009 to 2010 753 vessels were inspected and rose 65 minutes.
 

moore_rb

Stay Thirsty My Friends
That is crazy, why wouldn't someone let these guys know this is wrong and will kill you? I double check myself every dive and would never ever conceder doing something like this.
So sad.
They know the risks- they all hear about it when another guy croaks. I agree with playaperro - it's all a big "macho man" thing.

Sometimes Sanity is an even more scarce resource than Gold.

Dog, this is another perfect example of the "victimless" volunteer I was referring to...

Sometimes, you can look a man in the eye, tell him about carbon monoxide, and tell him about the bends, and you can try to make him see how hard his death would be on the family he leaves behind; but he might still tell you that he can handle it, and that he's "been doing this for 20 years" and down he goes... At that point you have to respect his right to choose, even if you think his choice is completely stupid.

It's like the guys that fish for crab on Deadliest Catch.... Seriously, when the waves are bigger than your 120 foot boat, that is Mother Nature trying to tell you that the price of crab is NOT WORTH IT....

They take the risk, they suffer the consequences, all just so me and Jerry can end up in another argument about personal freedoms ;-)
 
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