Puerto Penasco shutting down. What have you heard?

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Cree Hardegree
March 21 at 7:51 PM
The Great Atlanta Flood dropped 20 inches of rain on my home in 20 hours in September 2009. Electrical poles were uprooted shutting off our power. Four days of non-stop rain raised the rivers and overwhelmed the sewer capacity; main pipes burst all over the county cutting off our water supply; roads washed out locking us into our homes. I emptied our 90 gallon trash receptable, held a 5 gallon bucket under the gutter spout and dumped the water into the trash receptacle, 30 times or so; we used that to flush toilets over the next eight days when we had no water.
Down the street an 18 year-old college student called her daddy from inside her vehicle that had been swept off the road into a “lake” that had formed in the large ditch along the side of the road. She either couldn’t, or didn’t think of, rolling the window down. That was their last conversation. Ever.
She was one of 10 people who died in that 2009 flood.
But did we blame those deaths on President Obama?
Of course not; there was nothing he had done wrong to cause those ten deaths.
But wait… four years earlier, we blamed Bush for many of the deaths in the flooding that occurred in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
Isn’t this the same thing? If Bush was responsible for his inept and incompetent response to the Katrina flooding, shouldn’t we blame President Obama for The Great Atlanta Flood of 2009?
Of course not. Not even Republicans (at that time) were fool-headed enough to try to blame the The Great Atlanta Flood on President Obama.
Because the only thing the two situations had in common, was water.
Just like the only thing Trump's 2020 Covid-19 has in common with Obama's 2009 H1N1 swine flu, is snot.
A handkerchief full of snot.
That’s all.
If you want to identify who among us is a stark raving ignorant-headed imbecile, look for the blubbering fool who says, “Now do N1H1,” as a response to you pointing out how President Obama abated EBOLA and Trump exacerbated COVID.
Other ignorant utterances by idiotic imbeciles:
“What about the 12,000 people President Obama let die of the swine flu?”
“President Obama let 1,000 people die of the swine flu before he deployed the CDC.”
This is the biggest boondoggle of bogus batshit ever spread by brain-dead Trumpers.
Some medical stuff for you:
* H1N1 Swine Flu
* H1N1 Seasonal Flu
* H1N1 Influenza B
* H3N2 Influenza A
* H3N2 Seasonal Flu
All of it — ALL OF IT, FOLKS — is “the flu.”
For all purposes except formulating the annual "flu shot" and preserving statistical research, there is no difference whatsoever between “swine flu” and common “seasonal flu.”
None.
NONE.
The SYMPTOMS of swine and seasonal are identical.
The TREATMENT for swine and seasonal is identical.
The FATALITY RATE for swine and seasonal is identical.
The THROAT/NASAL SWABS for swine and seasonal are indistinguishable.
EVERY YEAR, “the flu” kills between 3,300 and 49,000 people in America.
Every year.
And we don’t blame presidents because the flu is an unavoidable routine sickness for which we have no advance notice and for which we have treatments and vaccines and an extremely low fatality rate.
We had a flu epidemic in the 2007-2008 season and we did not blame Bush for it.
The most flu deaths in one season in the past few years was 48,000 deaths in 2004 when Bush was president.
And we did not blame Bush for the 48,000 flu deaths on his watch in 2004.
WE DO NOT BLAME PRESIDENTS FOR THE FLU-SEASON EACH YEAR.
There are four reasons for that:
1.) Regardless of who is in office, each year WE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to mitigate the flu. Each season, “the flu” includes many different strains of swine flu and seasonal flu. Prior to each season, epidemiologists try to guess which strains are going to circulate so they can formulate a season-specific vaccine. In 2009, they missed a particular strain of swine, just as they miss strains every year — it’s not an exact science.
2.) “The flu” is NOT AN UNCOMMON VIRUS for which we have a three-month ADVANCED WARNING of a highly contagious and highly lethal virus on the way, where different presidents can opt to act different ways, like Obama abating EBOLA and Trump exacerbating COVID — there is no specific window of opportunity to block different strains of swine flu and seasonal flu before entry into our country; and, they often BEGIN in our country.
3.) There is no known identified “INDEX PERSON” carrying "the flu" (swine or seasonal), who we can quarantine like Obama did with the EBOLA index person and Trump failed to do with COVID index person — there is no specific window of opportunity to quarantine a first carrier.
4.) There is NO SPECIFIC DIAGNOSIS POINT where a particular strain of flu can be identified before it has already circulated. This is because the symptoms are IDENTICAL between all strains of swine flu and seasonal flu; meaning, different strains have already spread before they are even identified, because the first cases of flu each year are usually diagnosed as "seasonal flu" since that is the most common, and it is usually after-the-fact, when epidemiologists reverse-track the strains at the end of each season, that we discover the different strains that started out the season.
And it DOES NOT MATTER that we don’t have an index person or a specific diagnosis point before a strain has already spread each year, because CONTAINMENT PROTOCOLS and TREATMENT PROTOCOLS and FATALITY RATES are exactly the same, regardless of the strain of swine flu or seasonal flu — NOTHING would be done ANY DIFFERENTLY if one particular strain were to be identified over another at the beginning of the season.
WE DO NOT SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY FOR THE FLU SEASON EACH YEAR.
There are three reasons for that:
1.) Swine and seasonal flus are COMPLETELY TREATABLE with antivirals like Tamiflu and Xofluza; a diagnosis of "the flu" is not even close to being a death sentence. Obama’s EBOLA and Trump’s COVID are not treatable.
2.) We have a PREVENTATIVE VACCINE for the different strains of swine flu and seasonal flu. There is no vaccine for Obama’s EBOLA and Trump’s COVID.
3.) The fatality rate for the flu (.02%) is exactly the same for both swine flu and seasonal flu and is only a FRACTION OF THE FATALITY RATE for Obama’s EBOLA (50%) and Trump’s COVID (3.5%).
To get from .02% fatality rate for swine and seasonal flus to the 3.5% fatality rate for Trump’s COVID, you have to multiply .02 by 175. This means if the 2009 swine flu had the same fatality rate as Trump’s COVID, instead of 12,000 dying in 2009, that number would have been 2.1 million (12,000 x 175). If President Obama had been facing a fatality rate with the swine flu in 2009 that was as high as the rate for Trump's COVID, shutting down the country possibly would have been a consideration.
But President Obama didn't even shut the country down when he was dealing with the *MUCH* more lethal EBOLA virus.
EBOLA, with a 50% fatality rate, is 2,500 times more lethal than swine flu and seasonal flu (.02% x 2,500 = 50%). If the 2009 swine flu had the same fatality rate as EBOLA, the number of deaths would have been 30 million instead of 12,000 (12,000 x 2,500).
Instead of shutting down the country, President Obama deployed resources to the originating-country three months before the virus arrived on our shores and he prepared here at home, insted of mocking here at home.
When two cases of EBOLA came into the country, he confined the spread to an additional two cases for a total of FOUR cases, which drove conservatives and Fox to scream about President Obama trying to "intentionally spread EBOLA to make America like West Africa since that is where he is from."
Trump's sin was scoffing at the coming COVID instead of preparing for it, even though our intelligence community was telling him in January how bad it was going to be. With that foreknowledge of certain coming disaster, he continued calling it a hoax and members of congress began quietly selling off their stock, while they, also, lied to the Ameican public by claiming it was all a mere overblown tale to try to make Trump look bad.
Republicans speak in single-word code. “Benghazi” means a 34-volume encyclopedia set’s worth of lies and misinformation to them. Same for “emails” and “fast and furious” and “Burisma.”
And now, “H1N1.”
A lie is half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on.
Unless conservatives are true intellectuals interested in the truth (costal property in Kansas, etc.) it is impossible to show them the truth.
Please share this far and wide; feel free to condense portions or cut small portions to be used as rebuttals in comment threads where conservatives say “Cool. Now do H1N1” and other asinine statements trying to liken a regular flu season in 2009 to Trump’s criminally-negligent response to COVID in 2020. I only ask that you tag me so people can come here for the original.
And please always refer to Covid-19 as “Trump’s Covid-19” because he and his failed presidency are solely responsible for it spreading inside our borders.
 
Cree Hardegree
March 21 at 7:51 PM
The Great Atlanta Flood dropped 20 inches of rain on my home in 20 hours in September 2009. Electrical poles were uprooted shutting off our power. Four days of non-stop rain raised the rivers and overwhelmed the sewer capacity; main pipes burst all over the county cutting off our water supply; roads washed out locking us into our homes. I emptied our 90 gallon trash receptable, held a 5 gallon bucket under the gutter spout and dumped the water into the trash receptacle, 30 times or so; we used that to flush toilets over the next eight days when we had no water.
Down the street an 18 year-old college student called her daddy from inside her vehicle that had been swept off the road into a “lake” that had formed in the large ditch along the side of the road. She either couldn’t, or didn’t think of, rolling the window down. That was their last conversation. Ever.
She was one of 10 people who died in that 2009 flood.
But did we blame those deaths on President Obama?
Of course not; there was nothing he had done wrong to cause those ten deaths.
But wait… four years earlier, we blamed Bush for many of the deaths in the flooding that occurred in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
Isn’t this the same thing? If Bush was responsible for his inept and incompetent response to the Katrina flooding, shouldn’t we blame President Obama for The Great Atlanta Flood of 2009?
Of course not. Not even Republicans (at that time) were fool-headed enough to try to blame the The Great Atlanta Flood on President Obama.
Because the only thing the two situations had in common, was water.
Just like the only thing Trump's 2020 Covid-19 has in common with Obama's 2009 H1N1 swine flu, is snot.
A handkerchief full of snot.
That’s all.
If you want to identify who among us is a stark raving ignorant-headed imbecile, look for the blubbering fool who says, “Now do N1H1,” as a response to you pointing out how President Obama abated EBOLA and Trump exacerbated COVID.
Other ignorant utterances by idiotic imbeciles:
“What about the 12,000 people President Obama let die of the swine flu?”
“President Obama let 1,000 people die of the swine flu before he deployed the CDC.”
This is the biggest boondoggle of bogus batshit ever spread by brain-dead Trumpers.
Some medical stuff for you:
* H1N1 Swine Flu
* H1N1 Seasonal Flu
* H1N1 Influenza B
* H3N2 Influenza A
* H3N2 Seasonal Flu
All of it — ALL OF IT, FOLKS — is “the flu.”
For all purposes except formulating the annual "flu shot" and preserving statistical research, there is no difference whatsoever between “swine flu” and common “seasonal flu.”
None.
NONE.
The SYMPTOMS of swine and seasonal are identical.
The TREATMENT for swine and seasonal is identical.
The FATALITY RATE for swine and seasonal is identical.
The THROAT/NASAL SWABS for swine and seasonal are indistinguishable.
EVERY YEAR, “the flu” kills between 3,300 and 49,000 people in America.
Every year.
And we don’t blame presidents because the flu is an unavoidable routine sickness for which we have no advance notice and for which we have treatments and vaccines and an extremely low fatality rate.
We had a flu epidemic in the 2007-2008 season and we did not blame Bush for it.
The most flu deaths in one season in the past few years was 48,000 deaths in 2004 when Bush was president.
And we did not blame Bush for the 48,000 flu deaths on his watch in 2004.
WE DO NOT BLAME PRESIDENTS FOR THE FLU-SEASON EACH YEAR.
There are four reasons for that:
1.) Regardless of who is in office, each year WE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to mitigate the flu. Each season, “the flu” includes many different strains of swine flu and seasonal flu. Prior to each season, epidemiologists try to guess which strains are going to circulate so they can formulate a season-specific vaccine. In 2009, they missed a particular strain of swine, just as they miss strains every year — it’s not an exact science.
2.) “The flu” is NOT AN UNCOMMON VIRUS for which we have a three-month ADVANCED WARNING of a highly contagious and highly lethal virus on the way, where different presidents can opt to act different ways, like Obama abating EBOLA and Trump exacerbating COVID — there is no specific window of opportunity to block different strains of swine flu and seasonal flu before entry into our country; and, they often BEGIN in our country.
3.) There is no known identified “INDEX PERSON” carrying "the flu" (swine or seasonal), who we can quarantine like Obama did with the EBOLA index person and Trump failed to do with COVID index person — there is no specific window of opportunity to quarantine a first carrier.
4.) There is NO SPECIFIC DIAGNOSIS POINT where a particular strain of flu can be identified before it has already circulated. This is because the symptoms are IDENTICAL between all strains of swine flu and seasonal flu; meaning, different strains have already spread before they are even identified, because the first cases of flu each year are usually diagnosed as "seasonal flu" since that is the most common, and it is usually after-the-fact, when epidemiologists reverse-track the strains at the end of each season, that we discover the different strains that started out the season.
And it DOES NOT MATTER that we don’t have an index person or a specific diagnosis point before a strain has already spread each year, because CONTAINMENT PROTOCOLS and TREATMENT PROTOCOLS and FATALITY RATES are exactly the same, regardless of the strain of swine flu or seasonal flu — NOTHING would be done ANY DIFFERENTLY if one particular strain were to be identified over another at the beginning of the season.
WE DO NOT SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY FOR THE FLU SEASON EACH YEAR.
There are three reasons for that:
1.) Swine and seasonal flus are COMPLETELY TREATABLE with antivirals like Tamiflu and Xofluza; a diagnosis of "the flu" is not even close to being a death sentence. Obama’s EBOLA and Trump’s COVID are not treatable.
2.) We have a PREVENTATIVE VACCINE for the different strains of swine flu and seasonal flu. There is no vaccine for Obama’s EBOLA and Trump’s COVID.
3.) The fatality rate for the flu (.02%) is exactly the same for both swine flu and seasonal flu and is only a FRACTION OF THE FATALITY RATE for Obama’s EBOLA (50%) and Trump’s COVID (3.5%).
To get from .02% fatality rate for swine and seasonal flus to the 3.5% fatality rate for Trump’s COVID, you have to multiply .02 by 175. This means if the 2009 swine flu had the same fatality rate as Trump’s COVID, instead of 12,000 dying in 2009, that number would have been 2.1 million (12,000 x 175). If President Obama had been facing a fatality rate with the swine flu in 2009 that was as high as the rate for Trump's COVID, shutting down the country possibly would have been a consideration.
But President Obama didn't even shut the country down when he was dealing with the *MUCH* more lethal EBOLA virus.
EBOLA, with a 50% fatality rate, is 2,500 times more lethal than swine flu and seasonal flu (.02% x 2,500 = 50%). If the 2009 swine flu had the same fatality rate as EBOLA, the number of deaths would have been 30 million instead of 12,000 (12,000 x 2,500).
Instead of shutting down the country, President Obama deployed resources to the originating-country three months before the virus arrived on our shores and he prepared here at home, insted of mocking here at home.
When two cases of EBOLA came into the country, he confined the spread to an additional two cases for a total of FOUR cases, which drove conservatives and Fox to scream about President Obama trying to "intentionally spread EBOLA to make America like West Africa since that is where he is from."
Trump's sin was scoffing at the coming COVID instead of preparing for it, even though our intelligence community was telling him in January how bad it was going to be. With that foreknowledge of certain coming disaster, he continued calling it a hoax and members of congress began quietly selling off their stock, while they, also, lied to the Ameican public by claiming it was all a mere overblown tale to try to make Trump look bad.
Republicans speak in single-word code. “Benghazi” means a 34-volume encyclopedia set’s worth of lies and misinformation to them. Same for “emails” and “fast and furious” and “Burisma.”
And now, “H1N1.”
A lie is half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on.
Unless conservatives are true intellectuals interested in the truth (costal property in Kansas, etc.) it is impossible to show them the truth.
Please share this far and wide; feel free to condense portions or cut small portions to be used as rebuttals in comment threads where conservatives say “Cool. Now do H1N1” and other asinine statements trying to liken a regular flu season in 2009 to Trump’s criminally-negligent response to COVID in 2020. I only ask that you tag me so people can come here for the original.
And please always refer to Covid-19 as “Trump’s Covid-19” because he and his failed presidency are solely responsible for it spreading inside our borders.
Take a breath . relax
 

Mexico Joe

Cholla Bay 4 Life
Here you go Steve. This is what Trump would like to do. Let's just wait and see the results of the two different theories. Then we can argue more.

 

Mexico Joe

Cholla Bay 4 Life
To your Last paragraph, I can’t help what stupid people do. The president has a duty to talk about all options out there, and if someone is going to drink fish tank cleaner, then they’re going to drink fish tank cleaner.

If the President said it’s good to go take a walk, it’s good to exercise, and someone walked into head on traffic and was killed, he would be blamed for telling people to go take a walk and told by someone like yourself, that was irresponsible. He can’t win.

To be clear, only 1 couple was dumb enough to drink fish tank cleaner. Not a great sample size to say the President talking about a possible treatment or medication was irresponsible.

And, after a French Dr.’s utilization of the prescription drug combo has been successful, if Trump did not mention it he would be lambasted for not mentioning it.


And this guy and his friends and family heard Trump’s press conference clearly, and it saved his life. And they didn’t even have to go to the fish store for help.


Again, Dr Fauci already acknowledged that it very well may work in some "portion" of the sample size. That's not how the FDA works. There are many drugs that will work for certain individuals. If 10/100 experience complete relief what is the other 90%? Side effects? Severity? Efficacy rate? That's where trials come in to see how and what the side effects are. Dr Fauci already acknowledged that it is possible for it to be an alternate treatment but that he couldn't recommend using it until more trial data is reviewed. It could also do the complete opposite in another patient. That's how pharmacology works.

What do you want me to do? I believe in facts so if it worked for that guy we can agree that it worked for that guy. If two weeks from now they come out and unequivocally say that it works and is a safe alternative then you saved the world and I will thank you.
 

Queen of Kings

Well Known Member
Again, Dr Fauci already acknowledged that it very well may work in some "portion" of the sample size. That's not how the FDA works. There are many drugs that will work for certain individuals. If 10/100 experience complete relief what is the other 90%? Side effects? Severity? Efficacy rate? That's where trials come in to see how and what the side effects are. Dr Fauci already acknowledged that it is possible for it to be an alternate treatment but that he couldn't recommend using it until more trial data is reviewed. It could also do the complete opposite in another patient. That's how pharmacology works.

What do you want me to do? I believe in facts so if it worked for that guy we can agree that it worked for that guy. If two weeks from now they come out and unequivocally say that it works and is a safe alternative then you saved the world and I will thank you.
You have an extremely serious case of TDS. What scares me is there are many more just like you. My advice, consume less main stream media. They are feeding your TDS. Just pure hatred.
 

CheddarBob

Active Member
Forum Supporter
You have an extremely serious case of TDS. What scares me is there are many more just like you. My advice, consume less main stream media. They are feeding your TDS. Just pure hatred.
Is Fox news considered main stream media ?

Well aware how this has been down played. Regardless of TDS.
 

mexicoruss

Lovin it in RP!
AMLO is fucking up hard. I feel bad when reality hits Mexico.
Nobody knows what to do. Our local government and I mean at the state level is taking this very seriously. When they cancelled Semana Santa (100,000) plus tourist who spend tons of money here you know they are serious. Our Mermaids Market is closed, the Oaxacan street fair was cancelled which is a big event. Beaches closed most restaurants that are not closed are take out only or max 10 at a time inside....it is taken very seriously. Naomi and I are in our 10th day of self isolation but we will go out for a walk today. I would rather be here with its screw ups than in a city that hoards paper and food because they are so scared.
 

Buffalo Marty

Well Known Member
Question to anyone living in PP or who has been there recently: To what extent are the beaches closed? Is it to the point where they literally will not let anyone step foot on the beach in any place along the ocean (i.e. public beaches, condos, houses)? Or are they just banning large groups of people from congregating? (i.e. semana santa style where there are hundreds if not thousands of people crammed together)

I was just wondering to what degree they are enforcing the ban. Thanks in advance!
 

Queen of Kings

Well Known Member
Question to anyone living in PP or who has been there recently: To what extent are the beaches closed? Is it to the point where they literally will not let anyone step foot on the beach in any place along the ocean (i.e. public beaches, condos, houses)? Or are they just banning large groups of people from congregating? (i.e. semana santa style where there are hundreds if not thousands of people crammed together)

I was just wondering to what degree they are enforcing the ban. Thanks in advance!
Another poster reports the policia are running atv patrols on the beach. If they catch you on the beach, they take your picture, kick you out and threaten 36 hours in the gray bar hotel if caught again.
 

tortolita

Junior Member
Maybe I'm missing something but I don't really understand what closing the beaches will accomplish. Typically you have some couples or small family groups separated but fairly large distances which to me doesn't seem very risky. Of course as mentioned above, the Semana Santa type situation is different. Maybe the police wanted to get some practice in before that starts.
 

mexicoruss

Lovin it in RP!
Question to anyone living in PP or who has been there recently: To what extent are the beaches closed? Is it to the point where they literally will not let anyone step foot on the beach in any place along the ocean (i.e. public beaches, condos, houses)? Or are they just banning large groups of people from congregating? (i.e. semana santa style where there are hundreds if not thousands of people crammed together)

I was just wondering to what degree they are enforcing the ban. Thanks in advance!
nobody on the beach today at Sandy beach and yes police are patrolling...it is serious!
 

CheddarBob

Active Member
Forum Supporter
Maybe I'm missing something but I don't really understand what closing the beaches will accomplish. Typically you have some couples or small family groups separated but fairly large distances which to me doesn't seem very risky. Of course as mentioned above, the Semana Santa type situation is different. Maybe the police wanted to get some practice in before that starts.
People come to spend time on the beach. Take the beach away and who wants to come down.
 

dons2346

Active Member
"I was just wondering to what degree they are enforcing the ban. Thanks in advance! "

From what I saw on Tuesday, they are taking it very serious. I stood on the boardwalk at the Playa Bonita RV park ,which is very,very empty, and couldn't see anyone on the beaches. Only thing are the policia on their ATV's.

So, as Dirty Harry said "Do you feel lucky punk, well do you?"
 

mexicoruss

Lovin it in RP!
As of 8 pm Wednesday night March 25th there is a National curfew, individually locally managed from 8 pm until 6 am. If you don't have business outside you will be told to go home. Serious stuff? Yes I think so....What are they doing where you live? I think they are being tough...for the right reason.
 
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