Totoaba bladder smuggling....

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audsley

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Hmmm... rhino horns, bear gall bladders, shark fins and now totoaba bladders. Is nothing safe from the Yellow Peril?
 
Roberto

Roberto

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That's sort of a racist comment doncha think? We could compile a list of problem stuff that the US hoggs up, like gasoline. The white people are far more destructive to the environment than many other groups. It's far from a racial issue and characterizing it as such merely makes it more difficult to find a solution most of the time.

Your comment places the responsibility for the problem on the consumer side but where do you place responsibility for trade in illegal drugs?
 
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Kelney

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Racist comment? Last I heard, gasoline is not an endangered species. The topic is that of T-bass bladders. So yes theY-peril can be associated with much of the poaching that is associated with theworld. The Chinese deems damn near any endangered species an aphrodisiac of somesort. Hell, have they not heard of Viagra? It is not racist; it is pretty much the truth. Do you have an exampleotherwise? Ask the game keepers for African nations who are the largest markets for the poaching of elephants, rhinos. etc.
 
azfish

azfish

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Roberto said:
That's sort of a racist comment doncha think? We could compile a list of problem stuff that the US hoggs up, like gasoline. The white people are far more destructive to the environment than many other groups. It's far from a racial issue and characterizing it as such merely makes it more difficult to find a solution most of the time.

Your comment places the responsibility for the problem on the consumer side but where do you place responsibility for trade in illegal drugs?
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How come whites are far more destructive? What about all the other colors???
 
dirtsurfer

dirtsurfer

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Roberto said:
That's sort of a racist comment doncha think? We could compile a list of problem stuff that the US hoggs up, like gasoline. The white people are far more destructive to the environment than many other groups. It's far from a racial issue and characterizing it as such merely makes it more difficult to find a solution most of the time.

Your comment places the responsibility for the problem on the consumer side but where do you place responsibility for trade in illegal drugs?
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Demand, and demand alone drives a trade. Try smuggling dog crap for sale in foreign countries and see how well you do. The fact is that in this case Asian Taste for bizarre animal parts is driving demand. This is a problem worldwide. I don't see a lot of powdered rhino horn or fish bladders being smuggled in to the U.S. or Mexico, it is purely an Asian problem and you should learn to be honest with yourself and the facts of the issue and call a "spade a spade". Being an apologist to Asian demand for fish bladders by comparing U.S. gas consumption to the problem takes focus off of the issue at hand. If you want to complain about U.S. gas consumption do so in another thread ( and I bet you will not be called a racist either). This said, I agree, the suppliers and smugglers of animal parts are scum.
 
dirtsurfer

dirtsurfer

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Roberto said:
That's sort of a racist comment doncha think? We could compile a list of problem stuff that the US hoggs up, like gasoline. The white people are far more destructive to the environment than many other groups. It's far from a racial issue and characterizing it as such merely makes it more difficult to find a solution most of the time.

Your comment places the responsibility for the problem on the consumer side but where do you place responsibility for trade in illegal drugs?
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One more thing: your extremely racist comments about "whites" in the U.S. is offensive and off base. In a few short years whites will make up less than half the population of the U.S. and racist comments like yours will be even more kooky.
 
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audsley

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That's sort of a racist comment doncha think? We could compile a list of problem stuff that the US hoggs up, like gasoline. The white people are far more destructive to the environment than many other groups. It's far from a racial issue and characterizing it as such merely makes it more difficult to find a solution most of the time.

Your comment places the responsibility for the problem on the consumer side but where do you place responsibility for trade in illegal drugs?
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The term "yellow peril" was recklessly chosen and might be pushing it a bit, but no, I don't believe my point qualifies as racist. Racism is abandoning facts in favor of purely raced-based judgments. The facts in this case are that folk medicines and food fads among Asian elites are threatening bears, rhinos and ocean ecology world wide. I'm just laying these problems on the correct doorstep. Polite silence about these problems won't help. Public awareness and global condemnation might.

Yes, the U.S. does use a lot of gasoline, but the Chinese are doing their best to catch up and are generating far more pollution per unit of output than the U.S. has produced in many decades.

Is it a racial issue? Depends on how thoroughly race can be separated from culture and ethnic pride. A well-educated Chinese women I know believes in her people's folk medicines despite having some medical training herself and a sister who is a doctor and assures her it's all bull crap. Beliefs that purport to represent the unique knowledge and wisdom of one's culture die hard. I have no problem disavowing my grandparents' belief that a fresh onion can suck the poison from a rattlesnake bite, or that water can be "witched" with a divining rod, but it's easier to dismiss folk wisdom from one's own culture when it's other members of that culture doing the dismissing. Asians need their own Mark Twain.

Where do I place responsibility for illegal drugs? Why, on Democrats, of course. Surely you don't think it's Republicans toking all that reefer, do you? They're drinking beer and Jack Daniels. Besides being illegal, they've read that weed lowers testosterone, and how you gonna be a Republican when you've got low T?

Well, now that I've set the grenade on the table and pulled the pin, I think I'll go do some yard work. When I get back I hope I don't find I've been banned, but I knew what I was doing when I followed this digression from fish ecology into the socio-political netherworld where so many threads seem to want to go.
 
Roberto

Roberto

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My very poorly made point is that problems like this deserve, nay demand, a systems perspective to find an adequate solution. Different cultural perspectives make issues even more complicated. Remember when during a past problematic election in the US the Japanese sent a boatload of viagra to the US because they heard we could not get an election ??
 
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azfish

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Roberto said:
My very poorly made point is that problems like this deserve, nay demand, a systems perspective to find an adequate solution. Different cultural perspectives make issues even more complicated. Remember when during a past problematic election in the US the Japanese sent a boatload of viagra to the US because they heard we could not get an election ??
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Whats this have to do with you putting down (slamming) the white people? Need to come up with something better than this. I think you need a longer rope, It seems it is compendiary to the hole you excavated for yourself. I'm reading some back peddling. You should just apologize for your slanderous remark about white people. Us whitey are more forgiving.
 
Roberto

Roberto

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azfish Sez; You should just apologize for your slanderous remark about white people. Us whitey are more forgiving.

I did not speak a word about this.
 
Roberto

Roberto

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Cambridge Dictionary definition: Slanderous: a false, spoken statement about someone which damages that person's reputation, or the making of such a statement:
 
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Terry C

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jerry

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I understand a processing plant is about to be built in Lobos by China (a country made up of many ethnic groups) and you can be sure they will mess things up,over fish and do more harm than good in the long run.I have met via the internet a few exiled 80 year old plus Tibetan monks from my part in the Diamond Mountain cult death in Bowie Az.These guys hiked out of the Himalayas with the Dali Lama in the 50's and have no great love for what China (and the America Geshe/China suck up Michael Roach...leader of the cult next to me)
 
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