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Submarine

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Still a little bent? You really are that desperate for tourism to return to normal aren't you?
Hey, taking out your anger over the Media's portrayal of Rocky Point and Mexico in general with me isn't going to get you anywhere. Sorry if I touched a nerve pointing out that your hysterical 'defense' of RP doesn't work on most people and asking you to come up with a better argument. All you really did was post an extended ad hominum attack.

Some of the longtime posters know I'll play Devils Advocate from time to time, if you like to call it trolling that's fine but wrong. Sorry if you devoted too much time to this nonsense. I don't care one iota what you think of my credibility or integrity as the people here who know me won't be jumping on your bandwagon. It's too bad you didn't to a little more research other than counting my posts as you would have probably found out that not only have I been going to RP since 1982 my brother owns property there. I think it's so dangerous I was recently trying to organize a motorcycle ride with some of my sportrider friends. We were even going to head down through Sasabe or maybe even farther east. What would have been nice is if you had come up with something less emotional because even those deathtrap riding adrenaline junkies are too afraid to ride into Mexico and I've given up trying to convince them. Researching the articles was fun for me but disappointing on how little factual information is out there especially RP specific. It's mostly real estate agents using bogus stats, like that crime index someone posted up, and anecdotes. Mexico and RP in particular have a long way to go to convice people that it's relatively safe, and it might be a lost cause. A lot of is "If you don't go you don't know" but even some people who went in their High School or College spring break days aren't going to go back with their families. I had one friend who went with me for years who just up and decided it wasn't worth it to him anymore. We never had any problems on our trips but the media just got to him I guess.

The latest round with that massacre at the Y, swine flu, shootout in Acapulco, and the 38 kids killed in that daycare doesn't help. I didn't even bring up building codes, guess I missed one! I don't know if I can read over the last few pages again as I might convince myself!

Here's a project for you: Why don't you go on that Viper forum and try to change those peoples minds. Use your hysterical defense or maybe try something more reasonable. Reading your "bandito" page shows you might need to rethink your strategy of choice though. The way you are doing it just gets people to dig in their heels and stay home.

You've said before that this stuff makes you 'crazy angry', maybe that's the problem.



 
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m4shawn

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Still a little bent? You really are that desperate for tourism to return to normal aren't you?
Classic forum silly stuff there, Sub: try to color the other guy as bent, excited, hysterical, butt hurt, etc... (yawn). Come on, knock it off.

And I do care about the very real threat that continued misinformation and perjorative news reporting could intensify the phobia over Mexico to the point that irrepairable damage is done. Ghost towns happen. Concerned = desperate?
No - I'm just just not flippant.


...if you like to call it trolling that's fine but wrong.
Not me, Sub - see YOU declared yourself a troll by screaming in giant block letters that you were yanking my chain all along, that you were "making fun of the retarded kid", (funny!) - and this is the definition of an internet troll. Is your motive just to taunt and provoke? That's quite different from playing devil's advocate. Are you saying you mispoke? That's fine - you can back out of it; I'll let it go. I don't believe you were trolling for reals; I think you just misjudged into a bad tack. But that's up to you to retract it or own it - pick your poison - you're the one who set yourself up to twist in the wind.

Sorry if I touched a nerve pointing out that your hysterical 'defense' of RP doesn't work on most people and asking you to come up with a better argument.
(Laughing) hysterical, huh?
I'm saying the air is thick with OVERreactions and MISinformation about RP and it's wrong - exactly what about this do you find "hysterical"?
I'm not "defending" RP, as if it needs defending. I am on the offense - challenging hysteria, AND challenging you for cuddling up to it with your OVERstating of the risks; I am battling hysteria, friend.

And a better argument? You mean better than looking beyond media hype and poplular phobia that has reached hoax level -- better than that? Better than advocating common sense? Better than decrying panic? Hmm... wow you're right - I am obviously out of control.

I'm not going to get mired down in defending myself - let's stick to the issues, OK? La Huerita wrote a most excellent blog today on the importance of combating panicky perceptions about RP; I for one stand with her in that opinion. Piquito Rosy has told you that it is ridiculous to have to prove that things are NOT happening. That's comical. You seem to want to defend hysteria --- why? Seriously, if you believe RP is safe enough to come, why are you devoting so much effort with this odd "devil's advocate" schtick? You actually seem to savor being contrary, just for the sake of it. Why?

I don't care one iota what you think of my credibility or integrity...
That's a shame. My credibility and character are important to me, even with strangers, unless they show me they aren't worth my concern. I don't know what I have done to deserve being dismissed me as so piss stupid that I'm beneath you. I still hope to turn you to the good side of The Force.[/QUOTE]

..had one friend who went with me for years who just up and decided it wasn't worth it to him anymore. We never had any problems on our trips but the media just got to him I guess.
And this does not bother you? You just shrug your shoulders in glib indifference to this? You know Sub, it's easy to mock others for caring about an issue, for speaking up - easy to point and snort at earnest concern and call out "hysterical" from the back of the classroom. That's bush. Your friend's poorly thought out abandonment of beautiful RP is a damn shame. It's exactly the reason those of us who care are talking about it with such gusto.
 
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colemanscottage

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Hey y'all!

GREAT NEWS!

Made it back from Rocky Point and

~~get this~~

We didn't even get shot at!

NO drug violence...
NO random gunfire...

Just peaceful waters, hot salsa, yummy shrimp and ice cold cerveza!

Amazing huh?

Hey Stuart...got your cold one right here :)

Sol, XX or Corona?

One lime or two?

Ahhhhh.....the simple life!

Cheers y'all!
 
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dry heat

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I often cross danger when I go for a walk in my north scottsdale gated community. With coyotes not checking in at the guard gate I have to deal with danger on a daily basis. Unfortunately my MMA gym classes cannot protect me. I am thinking about calling the local media to do a report on the dangers of living in north scottsdale.
 

jerry

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"my MMA gym classes cannot protect me" Hmmm? I might have an idea for Jim's Bar(The excellent Camel Toe} how about a MMA style cage match with ground and pound specialist Dryheat taking on Pigeon Coop poo pooer Sally? M4shawn and Sub might be a good prelim bout. I challenge that shithead property managment jerk Steve that wrecked the last forum because he had his feelings hurt.
 

mexicoruss

Lovin it in RP!
Living here for 3 years with my lovely wife and my 15y ear old son and having had traveled extensively both in the US and in Mexico, I have to say that if anyone gets on a blog like this and declares that they live in a perfect or safe place is only fooling themselves. I fully enjoy living, working and investing in Mexico. I am not a real estate agent just a regular guy doing business here. Some of it is tourist based but some if not most is only local population based.

I see the crime in the Y as what it is -drug violence- I hope they kill off the rest of the punks before I die but I am sure they will not. Worrying about this in your thoughts about coming to RP is Akin to not going to Atlanta or New Orleans because they have a super high crime rate (FYI More people killed in NO in 08 than in Tijuana in 08 and TJ is 10 times larger)

Be safe - love the ones you are with and have fun - smile often.

Come to Penasco enjoy the beach, enjoy the weather, enjoy the people. Stay away from the drug industry (sage advice in any country) and you will have a nice life!

Cold one time!
 
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m4shawn

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Laughing at your post, Jerry :D; a cage match might be the only civilized way for Sub and I to knock each other around from here on out. Certainly would be more entertaining for the crowd.;-)
 

Jim

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Bring it on boys. Maybe we can rent some of those big sumo wrestler suits and sell tickets?
 

tyler

I like pie.
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Multiple threads about murders, killings, etc, are scaring people, even if they don't read the entire thread.

I'm going to close these, if new topics come up we can discuss them but there's no sense talking about it anymore..

Let's talk about how great the weather is, instead... mmkay.
 
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