More killing in Rocky Point???

[Wood Spinner]

I too have concerns. But as long as these incidents are directed at the bad guys only, I still feel safe there. Stuff happens everywhere. If I accidently cut off another driver on a Phoenix freeway I always worry that that person may become enraged and try to make me a statistic. I am not putting my head in the sand but I realize I must becareful everywhere.
I sure wish the bad hype would stop.

 

[m4shawn]

It's all about perspective. The persistent (god bless 'em) voices of reason like brave Rosie in the dark of all the infuriating ignorance and bad premise are often accused of being "Rah-rah" toadies by people who just don't get it, but think they do and assume the position of "your not gonna fool this American - I know better." Ugh.

Of course this woman is more than capable of speaking for herself - I just stepped up to offer some support and not let her twist in the wind out there. If someone like X-Costie wants to get cheeky and try to rough her up, he might get a punch in the teeth (figuratively....simmer down...). No senior members need to reprimand me, X-Costie doesn't need to suddenly break out the Rodney King stuff. Grow a pair.
She just deserved some back-up - more power to her dedication. Battling tides of chaos and hysteria is exhausting stuff.

Rosie is committed to getting people to stop and think - to draw their glazed eyes away from the side-show "holy sh*t!" version devoid of context that the media keeps wailing about and sheeples keep believing.
The grand irony in every incident that has occured in Puerto Penasco is that they stand out.....precisely BECAUSE of the LACK of violence and crime that exists there. Any rudimentary examination of the tiny bit of violent crime per capita there as compared to almost any other American town, metro area, world vacation destination clearly reveals PP as overwhelminglhy safe.

I'm not going to repeat examples that both Rosie and I have given already (read: Scottsadle drive-bys April 2008 for one).

 

[JimMcG]

Many of us also feel strongly about what it will take to restore credibility to the investment and safety climate that exists in Penasco at present and so in many ways you are preaching to the choir. I still feel that a constructive civilized exchange is the preferred method.

 

[rockyptjoe]

It's all about perspective. The persistent (god bless 'em) voices of reason like brave Rosie in the dark of all the infuriating ignorance and bad premise are often accused of being "Rah-rah" toadies by people who just don't get it, but think they do and assume the position of "your not gonna fool this American - I know better." Ugh.

Of course this woman is more than capable of speaking for herself - I just stepped up to offer some support and not let her twist in the wind out there. If someone like X-Costie wants to get cheeky and try to rough her up, he might get a punch in the teeth (figuratively....simmer down...). No senior members need to reprimand me, X-Costie doesn't need to suddenly break out the Rodney King stuff. Grow a pair.
She just deserved some back-up - more power to her dedication. Battling tides of chaos and hysteria is exhausting stuff.

Rosie is committed to getting people to stop and think - to draw their glazed eyes away from the side-show "holy sh*t!" version devoid of context that the media keeps wailing about and sheeples keep believing.
The grand irony in every incident that has occured in Puerto Penasco is that they stand out.....precisely BECAUSE of the LACK of violence and crime that exists there. Any rudimentary examination of the tiny bit of violent crime per capita there as compared to almost any other American town, metro area, world vacation destination clearly reveals PP as overwhelminglhy safe.

I'm not going to repeat examples that both Rosie and I have given already (read: Scottsadle drive-bys April 2008 for one).

I have never specifically accused Rosy of being part of the "rah-rah crowd"....I agree with many of her posts....but not necessarily all. There have been posts by some that are "rah-rah"....and having been around enough years (I'm getting into the "old fart" range....no cracks, Kenny)....i tend to look at people's motives in what they do or say. And I'm sure that there are some that are motivated by their real estate or other business interest in Penasco. I could be motivated by my desire to see Penasco like it was 10 years ago, or 25 years ago (or like Kenny, 50 years ago), and go with "chicken little", "the sky is falling" crowd to continue to scare off any visitors. But I won't....I have enough local friends and acquaintances that are hurting severely due to the lack of visitors!

As to a blanket statement on crime....yes, I would agree that Penasco has not seen the type of violent crime that we may have in the states, but it has seen an increase in crime in general....I can't give you statistics....but 25 or 10 years ago, you didn't have the number of breakins and thefts that you see today. You didn't see the local kids on the Mirador on Sat./Sun. nights with roving bands of young "toughs" picking fights with someone, and then all trying to beat the s$%t out of that sorry individual who was stupid enough to react to their taunts, etc. I have spent many a night "closing" one of the bars along the Mirador, and saw that happening the last couple of years several times a night. I've had to escort a couple of American girls to their vehicle several blocks down, sneaking them out thru the kitchen of the bar, because one of them was almost falling down drunk, and were easy pickings for these roving groups of teenagers, or the groups of vultures in the bar....taxis were not available, since the street was closed off to traffic.

So please, don't preach to me or anyone else, that there is a "lack of violence or crime"! As I've stated several times in a couple of threads, go looking for trouble, you'll find it....anywhere in the world. Be aware of what is happening in any place that you are visiting, and you can usually avoid it! I was raised in New York City.....and was never attacked, mugged, or robbed. I used to travel the subways to the Bowery (my high school was located in the general area) and also thru Harlem to college (I was a "whitey" sitting in a subway car all by myself when groups of blacks going home from high school would get on).....even spent time at night in the Times Square area....

Be aware and avoid trouble! Part of being aware is having all the information on what may be happening in Penasco! Both sides.....the "rah-rah" and "chicken little"!!!!

 

[Seadweller]

It's all about perspective. The persistent (god bless 'em) voices of reason like brave Rosie in the dark of all the infuriating ignorance and bad premise are often accused of being "Rah-rah" toadies by people who just don't get it, but think they do and assume the position of "your not gonna fool this American - I know better." Ugh.

Of course this woman is more than capable of speaking for herself - I just stepped up to offer some support and not let her twist in the wind out there. If someone like X-Costie wants to get cheeky and try to rough her up, he might get a punch in the teeth (figuratively....simmer down...). No senior members need to reprimand me, X-Costie doesn't need to suddenly break out the Rodney King stuff. Grow a pair.
She just deserved some back-up - more power to her dedication. Battling tides of chaos and hysteria is exhausting stuff.

Rosie is committed to getting people to stop and think - to draw their glazed eyes away from the side-show "holy sh*t!" version devoid of context that the media keeps wailing about and sheeples keep believing.
The grand irony in every incident that has occured in Puerto Penasco is that they stand out.....precisely BECAUSE of the LACK of violence and crime that exists there. Any rudimentary examination of the tiny bit of violent crime per capita there as compared to almost any other American town, metro area, world vacation destination clearly reveals PP as overwhelminglhy safe.

I'm not going to repeat examples that both Rosie and I have given already (read: Scottsadle drive-bys April 2008 for one).

Yeah what he said.... :roll:

I have been living here for nearly 14 years, I think I could reasonablly say I'm active in our community, and frankly I feel 100 times safer living here than I ever felt on the otherside. (of the boarder)

The same is true for being in the water almost everyday like I am... there are some nasty critters out there that will definately ruin your day... it doesn't take too much common sence to stay the f**k away from them... so just use some common sense not just down here but just in general, and stop all this negitivity.... that's all I got to say about that... anybody wanna go for a swim?

 

[PitiquitoRosy]

I could be motivated by my desire to see Penasco like it was 10 years ago, or 25 years ago (or like Kenny, 50 years ago),

No place is as it was that many years ago. It's one of the reasons life is sweet. When I was a kid in Pitiquito we slept outside on cots in the summers. I'll never forget lying there watching Sputnik work it's way across the sky! My own kids don't know what that felt like. Sad? No, they have their own experiences about which to be nostalgic.

I can't give you statistics....but 25 or 10 years ago, you didn't have the number of breakins and thefts that you see today.

Of course crime has increased everywhere. The breakins and theft are more of a problem right now because of the economical situation. Way more people are out of work and hungry. Also, more people on drugs (everywhere).

You didn't see the local kids on the Mirador on Sat./Sun. nights with roving bands of young "toughs" picking fights with someone, and then all trying to beat the s$%t out of that sorry individual who was stupid enough to react to their taunts, etc. I have spent many a night "closing" one of the bars along the Mirador, and saw that happening the last couple of years several times a night.

This is valuable information. This can be used to help improve things. Specific information is always more helpful than blanket generalizations. The new police chief is going to need input and I expect to be front and center.

I've had to escort a couple of American girls to their vehicle several blocks down, sneaking them out thru the kitchen of the bar, because one of them was almost falling down drunk, and were easy pickings for these roving groups of teenagers, or the groups of vultures in the bar

Here's where we begin to part ways, Joe. These girls come down here and get "falling down drunk" and need to be safely escorted? Did you deliver a fatherly lecture along with the escort service? I would have also walked out with them (because I don't fear roving bands of anything, much less kids), but I would have let them know that if they want to do stupid shit, they should stay home and do it. You might be a tad more sensitive to them because of the age of your own daughter, something that's understandable. The last thing we need here is these kids dead, hurt, raped, or overdosed. No doubt the blame would fall on Penasco. Maybe Americans should worry more about how they're raising their children?

Be aware and avoid trouble! Part of being aware is having all the information on what may be happening in Penasco! Both sides.....the "rah-rah" and "chicken little"!!!!

It's the in-between you should want to know.

 

[m4shawn]

RockyptJoe: I hear you and concur with everything you're saying. But all that pretty much goes without saying, doesn't it now? Using common sense, not responding to a**hole groups of thugs looking for trouble, being a gentleman and protecting an American girl who has become too drunk to look out for herself - OK yea; and I might see all that on Mill Avenue in Tempe/ASU on a Saturday night too.

And just because someone might also have a business interest that would be served by a little clarity and contextual truth, does not disqualify the truths they speak; why are the two mutually exclusive? Why the automatic suspicion that they aren't saying something absolutely true?

And I'm only "preaching" about P-E-R-S-P-E-C-T-I-V-E. So is Rosie.
Not trying to sell RP as an oasis of angelic behavior.
Just preaching the gospel of perspective. Hysteria, get Thee away from me.
For Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of ignorance, I will fear no idiot: for perspective art with me; thy rod of common sense and thy staff of accurate context they comfort me. Sort of.

 

[rockyptjoe]

No place is as it was that many years ago. It's one of the reasons life is sweet. When I was a kid in Pitiquito we slept outside on cots in the summers. I'll never forget lying there watching Sputnik work it's way across the sky! My own kids don't know what that felt like. Sad? No, they have their own experiences about which to be nostalgic.

Yeah...we all have fond memories.....even though my daughter was very young, she still remembers sitting on my lap late in the evening on the beach watching the stars, trying to figure out which was the north star (I could never get that straight)...listening to the sea lion that had taken up residence in the harbor and along the beach....

Here's where we begin to part ways, Joe. These girls come down here and get "falling down drunk" and need to be safely escorted? Did you deliver a fatherly lecture along with the escort service? I would have also walked out with them (because I don't fear roving bands of anything, much less kids), but I would have let them know that if they want to do stupid shit, they should stay home and do it. You might be a tad more sensitive to them because of the age of your own daughter, something that's understandable. The last thing we need here is these kids dead, hurt, raped, or overdosed. No doubt the blame would fall on Penasco. Maybe Americans should worry more about how they're raising their children?

The point of my comment was that there is crime and violence in Penasco.....not a commentary on how people raise their kids. My daughter is a good kid, but she makes mistakes, just like everyone does....my job as a parent is to try to make sure they are not fatal mistakes, and she learns from them. I'm not much of a drinker (although I have been known to hold my own), but that is one of the reasons that I've "closed the bar" at 3am.....keeping an eye on her (from a distance).....what's the saying...giving her enough rope to hang herself....but making sure that she doesn't. She has made her share of mistakes, but readily admits making them, and knows how to avoid many now.....but you know teenagers....they always think that they're indestructible!

I'm going to digress a bit from the original subject of the post.....There are other factors playing in the area of teenagers (male or female) getting falling down drunk in Penasco.....one is the difference in drinking age between Mexico and the US (I won't get into my own personal feelings about that), but also the attitude of most of the bar owners, particularly along the Mirador....whether they are American or Meixcan. My own personal feeling is that the Mexican owned bars are more of the culprits.....for not adequately enforcing the Mexican legal drinking age. I've been in Manny's, and frequently, there was no checking of ID's....some of the kids looked like they were 14-15, and were being served. Yes...I know...where were the parents??...but thats not the point of this discussion! There is no attempt to cut off those who are obviously drunk, or getting close (in either the Mexican or American owned bars)......and the experienced bartenders do know! There is a double standard when it comes to the Liquor Authority....enforcing the age limit, (and yes....even setting up the American bar owners)...but letting the Mexican owned bars slide. This is not hearsay....I have seen it happen. There were 2 Mexican owned bars that did open up on the weekend of the elections....however, I can only attest to one. One of the Liquor "guys" was even in that bar drinking!!!! I won't name the bar, but it is on Calle 13....Sorry for this bit of digression....I'll get off my soapbox now!!!!

It's the in-between you should want to know.

And where do we get the "in-between"......maybe some of it here on the Forum...but you still have to be able to filter out....you definitely can't trust the newspapers or even the tv news for accurate reporting....many of the stories are not thoroughly checked out in a rush to be the first to report something! Most of the reporters don't have the faintest idea of the subject matter that they are reporting....can't spell, or even use proper grammar! They impart their "feelings" rather than accurately reporting! The tv news has become more entertainment and sensationalism than news....

 

[Kenny]

common sense growth would have been appreciated

I tease a lot, but never said I wanted it like it was 50 years ago. A little common sense growth would have been appreciated though. You know, little things like beach access.:razz: Do you have any idea how the drive was in those day's from Phoenix? How easy it was to get lost at sea, (with a kid on board, me) if you were as crazy as my dad and uncle?
You seem to be having a midlife crises with all this age talk Joe. Personally I've never had one, but I hear they change your prospective and some with it might start hanging out at bars till they close, looking for damsels in distress.:-D


Kenny

 

[rockyptjoe]

My apologies Kenny...ok, so it wasn't 50 years...:shock: maybe 30???:-D

Yeah...that old age is starting to kick in....remembering the "good old days" :-D

More of a fatherly instinct instead of damsel in distress....but if there is one in her 40's...might go for that!!!

 

[PitiquitoRosy]

Thank God you're there for those kids, Joe. Spring Break 2007 was freezing cold real windy here. At 6am I got a call from a security guard at a hotel in the Mirador. They had a lost American kid and no way to communicate with him.
I rushed over. Here's the story:
The previous night the guard was making his rounds and was surprised to find a kid totally wasted and freezing, passed out near the swimming pool. The guard tried wake the kid, gave him a jacket, made him drink coffee. The guard didn't know how long he'd been lying there, but was glad he hadn't fallen into the pool.
When the kid wakes up a bit, still drunk, but awake...can't recall where they're staying, doesn't know what happened to his friends, is still just out of it.
The guard risked his job by walking the kid to the other hotels nearby to see if he belonged there. Nope.
Finally, the guard figured he'd done his part and left the kid at one of those hotels. Like a puppy...the kid followed the guard back to where they started. So...the guard risked his job again and put the kid in a room for the night...let him sleep it off.
Then the call to me at 6am. By now the kid is awake. Jonathon, age 19, two weeks from going into the Marines, and no idea where his friends were staying.
We spent the better part of the day cruising parking lots looking for his friend's car.
He tried to pay the guard $20 bucks for his trouble. The guard refused the money. To this day that guard will ask from time to time if Jonathon has emailed.

 

[rockyptjoe]

Rosy....there are good people everywhere....those who have a concern for their fellow man....

 

[Kenny]

My apologies Kenny...ok, so it wasn't 50 years...:shock: maybe 30???:-D

Yeah...that old age is starting to kick in....remembering the "good old days" :-D

More of a fatherly instinct instead of damsel in distress....but if there is one in her 40's...might go for that!!!

Yes, I was there 50 years ago.

 

[PitiquitoRosy]

Thank goodness for that, Joe. Keep up the bar-patrols, we'll call it public service. I'll take one side of the road and you can take the other, okay?

 

[Kenny]

Rosy....there are good people everywhere....those who have a concern for their fellow man....

If you knew Jerry, you would know that's exactly what his post's were about. Goodwill toward his fellow man, and the plank for those who take advantage selfishly.

 

[PitiquitoRosy]

If you knew Jerry, you would know that's exactly what his post's were about. Goodwill toward his fellow man, and the plank for those who take advantage selfishly.

How nice that you defend him, Kenny...but he was unfair to me. Not a problem, we'll get past it...but he's going to learn not to disparage what I bust my ass to do when he doesn't know a thing about it. He was wrong. And the irony thread proves it.